CWE - Cold Water Extraction

[ShadyMilkman]

http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/

[bogumil]

I found that in another forum. Thought, some might be interested. I dont know if it is that new, but it looks like a nice variation to me.


Improved coldwater extraction


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Whilst messing around with codeine paracetamol tablets I tried the following: Added 96 10mg codeine 500mg+ rubbish tablets to 200ml cold tap water and left for 10mins or so to dissolve CP. I then decided to warm the solution before filtering. So I heated the solution in a hot water bath to about 45 or 50 deg.C. I then filtered the solution and it filtered in a fraction of the time it usually does with cold water. This gives a clear solution and without vacuum filtration you only lose about 5ml instead of 1/3 filtering cold solution. This is then placed in the freezer until it almost freezes, by which time almost all of the paracetamol dissolved, crystalizes out in lovely large needle shaped crystals. This near frozen solution is then filtered, which is also fast as paracetamol crystals are now large. This solution is now safe to drink containing approx. 5mg/ml,codeine phosphate or you can extract the codeine base and convert etc. see other threads.I found with the cold extraction and cold filtration method clogged up filters as the paracetamol was so powdery this method seems to work better and the final product was stronger than anything Ive had previously keeping everything cold?? But dont go over 60deg.C as CP apparently degrades then! ...]





And this is a similar method that someone sent in a reply to the above. Interesting how he drinks the product:


[...This is how I pretty much do mine. Except I don't use cold water first, nor do I ever use boiling water (nor does this one but it's something that needs to be pointed out, don't use boiling water). My method (depending on number of pills, I use 20ml hot + 20ml cold for every 20 tablets 40ml hot + 40ml cold for 30-40 tablets.). Read on and you'll see why I use +20ml cold, etc.
My last extraction I used 30 pills (which I had left from a 100 pill bottle of 8mg Codeine + 500mg Ace/Para).

I put 40 ml of hot tap water in a small plastic cup along with 30 tablets to disolve. I left them for a bit and then stirred with a fork. When there was no tablet chunks and everything was a white water paste like substance I put the solution in the freezer for about 15-20minutes. I also put in 40 ml of cold tap water by itself in the freezer. While this was happening I got a cup (helps if you can see through it a bit) which is long and narrow (but still holds about 250-330ml) I put a coffee filter about half way in so that I could also keep it in place with rubber bands. After 15-20 minutes was up (doesn't really matter if solution freezes too much) I put the solution into the filter setup. I then got my 40ml of straigh cold water I put in the freezer into the cup that container the solution and swirled it around so it got every last bit and then put this in the filter aswell. I then put the filtering solution somewhere for about 1 hr (at the minimum or until all the water has been filtered, 2-3 hours may be better). Make sure it's somewhere where it isn't going to be knocked over and make sure the coffee filter isn't going to fall in. After about an hour I have a look and you shouldn't see any liquid on top at all but a white (or whatever the colour of your tablets were) solution that is a solid paste like sludge. Underneath should be a clear solution. I sometimes squeeze the filter (without breaking it if possible) to get as much of the remaining liquid out as possible, sure abit of ace/para will come through and the solution will go a bit cloudy but the amount of ace/para will be small compared to what's in the white sludge. You can either drink this right now or wait a bit till later (read on to find out why it might be better to wait).

If you can't wait to drink it this is how I drink it:
To drink I put in about the same amount as the filtered solution with grapefruit juice and top it up with soda water. The soda water helps to make it absorb faster in your system and the grapefruit juice helps with codeine potentiation to morphine. It may taste a little bitter but not as bad as drinking it on it's own. Orange juice and soda would also work but will not potentiate the codeine.

If you are worried that you didn't get all the codeine out the solution what I sometimes do is re-do the extaction. I get all the solid white sludge and put it in the same solution cup I used before and mix it with 40ml hot tap water, mix it up and put the solution and another 40ml cold water and repeat the process.

I guess you could do it as many times as you like ;-). Weather you get more codeine or at least a little out of each extraction or if it even is worth it is beyond me but you could add the liquid of the first extraction and subsequent extractions all together to get the maximum amount of extracted codeine. 80ml per extraction isn't alot of liquid to down compared to poppy ... tea.



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[Love_N_Bruises]

Was wondering if anyone uses the cold water extraction?SWIM used to use it quite a bit to extract the para out of co-codamol. But then SWIM got some pills with 30mg C in..and didnt bother extracting...NOT a good idea as SWIM was taking alot of them..and often. Anyway now even the tiniest bit of para makes SWIM puke my guts up for hours on end..not fun.. :| SWIM wants to try the cold water extraction again, but is kinda pretty paranoid that not ALL the para will be extracted out...Is there a way to test? If SWIM filtered it twice would that be a way to check it was pure? Thanks xxx

[acexnx316]

There is no way to test if SWIY has gotten all of it out; unless of course SWIY owns a lab or has frequent access to one.

Anyway, there is really no way SWIY will get 100% out at any time, no matter how many times SWIY filters it.

However, SWIY's best bet is to definitely continue doing what SWIY is already doing and filter it 3-4 times; and maybe even more if SWIY feels like it. This way it will ensure that SWIY will be getting all of it out that SWIY possibly can.

And if it still makes SWIY puke, try and lay off em for a while, maybe 3-5 days or so. Might be healthier to go that route. Just a thought though.

Pz.

[gotxp]

after your initial extraction, you could theoretically simply re-chill it. This would cause any remaining aspirin/tylenol to precipitate out, then refilter. But, nontheless like acexnx316 said, there is no way to get all of it out, just most.

[darkglobe]

Erm.... gotxp... It's not my intention to pick holes in other people's ideas...

I don't think re-chilling it is practically worth the effort. Theoretically (as you rightly said), it it possible.

To the OP... here are some tips. I will warn I have limited knowledge of basic chemistry! Please correct me if I am wrong, people.

1. METHODS OF FILTRATION
Your chosen method of filtration will greatly affect how much Paracetamol is in your end product. The best methods are below:

1.1) Lab Grade Filters
Okay, not everyone has access to these, but if you are or know somebody at school... Acquire some from there. Get somebody at school to buy them. Serious, if you need them for 'experiments', what's wrong with that?
Aside from a local school/college/university, there are plenty of companies who will sell these harmless products to individuals. Check your yellow pages.

1.2) Coffee Filters
These work almost as well as the lab grade variety, and will filter considerably faster. The only downside is accuracy. If you follow acexnx316's advice and filter numerous times (3-4 is ideal), then you should be fine. This may sound stupid, but after searching local supermarkets I can't actually find any...

2 THE TECHNICAL STUFFS
How you perform your CWE, and your level of caution and cleanliness, will also affect how 'clean' your end product is. Below are some tips on the general method and uses of equipment.

2.1) Crushing Your Pills
I know I am making this sound like rocket science - and it isn't - so for that I apologise. It's worth noting that such a piss-easy process can be turned to shit with the first sign of carelessness.
Much of SWIM's experience with Co-Codamol pills has led him to believe that this is the first part where things can start to go tits up. This is what he tells me....
Always use a pill crusher or some form of enclosed/sealed thing to crush your pills in. I know that's not strictly scientific, but what I basically mean is don't get crummy white powder all over your hands/work area. KEEP EVERYTHING CLEAN!

2.2) Dissolving Your Crushed Pills
This is where many opinions will differ. I'll just tell you how SWIM does it. Unless you're looking for the highest possible yield from your pills, just follow this:
1. CAREFULLY put your pills into chosen container.
2. Add water about 30 degrees centigrade to it. Don't use too much. Let's say about half a glass for say 10 Co-Codamols.
3. Stir until as much pill is dissolved as possible.
4. Cool your mixture to approx 4 degrees centigrade. Just make sure it's COLD.

2.3) Filtering The Shit Out Of It
Now then... sorry for the longwinded crap before I got to this. This is how SWIM does it:
1. Fold your chosen filter into the correct shape.
2. Make sure your filter fits like a glove into say, a funnel.
3. Pour your mixture in, ensuring NONE escapes the filter. Pour it all in, settled shit and all. This will take a while longer, but ensures more Codeine :)
4. Ignore number 3 if you get paranoid about Paracetamol content.
5. Remove filter CAREFULLY, ensuring no unfiltered content gets into Codeine water.
6. Repeat filtration, remembering to throw all 'infected' stuff away before proceeding.

3. OTHER
Well... How fuckign long was that?!
I'm sorry. Re-reading your post reminded me you only wanted to know about Para content. Oh well, hope it helps.

But yeah, to ensure minimal Paracetamol content in your finished product, be CLEAN! And try to acquire some lab filters. As mentioned before, 3 or 4 filters is a good idea. Also, re-chilling won't hurt. I personally believe it won't do wonders for reducing Para content, but it's definitely worth a shot.

...Who thinks I should cut the size of my posts?

...*Raises own Hand*....

Sorry, dude.

[mbu37]

Any thoughts on how someone might extract codeine from effervescentPara preparations? It seems like all ingredients dissolve but I that may work out to be a plus.
I'm a newbie here so please forgive me if these subject has been discussed. I did a quick search and didn't see it.

mbu37

[Forthesevenlakes]

The ingredients may all dissolve at room temperature, but cooling the water in a freezer for a bit should cause any APAP to precipitate out. After cooling the water, pour the solution through a filter. If SWIY gets a bitter white residue on the filter, its probably the APAP. However, SWIM is NOT absolutely sure CWE would work on effervescent preparations, so don't take SWIM's word as gospel, SWIM doesn't want anyone getting their liver damaged or worse yet, expiring prematurely.

[Klaus]

The trouble swim encountered was he also got the Bicarb in the finished product which upset swims gut a little.

[darkglobe]

Nothing wrong with a bit of Sodium Bicarbonate. Actually, it remedies wind, heartburn and indigestion :)

SWIM tried CWE on Effervescent Paracetamol/Acetaminophen + Codeine tablets. No side effects were noted. Then again, he did play it safe and take 4 (@ 500mg Para/Acet each, 30mg Codeine each).

I wouldn't guarantee it.

[JapanHorrorUncut]

Can SWIM use something else to filter the mix? Last time SWIM tryed SWIM got a stomach ache. SWIM isn't new to opiates, so SWIM guessed it was from Acetaminophen. Any hints on CWE?

[riotpack]

Does anyone know what the max dose of ibuprofen is if you decide to not CWE, SWIM takes 1200mg Ibuprofen when taking codeine and hasn't had any side effects, but is this amount dangerous?

[Nature Boy]

1200mg of ibuprofen is the maximum standard dose for a day. In medical practice, doses of 3200mg can be used reportedly. High doses involve a whole plethora of nasty side effects ranging from gastrointestinal ulceration to diarrhea. By all means, perform a CWE if at all possible. Ingesting high doses of ibuprofen spells trouble.

[mbu37]

Hi,

Can anybody give swim, a ballpark figure regarding the percent of APAP that is removed during cold water extraction? Swim realizes there are many variables involved but if the procedure is followed closely about how much APAP would be left if swim started with 8 tablets that have 500mg tylenol and 30mg codeine each? Would the tylenol level be dropped to say 1g? or less?
Swim, is just trying to get the general parameters.
Swim, would like to move beyond 8 tablets, to 10 or 15 but needs to have some idea of how much tylenol remains - not to mention loss of codeine.

Any input will be passed to swim.
Thanks

[Abrad]

UTFSE this has been covered many times before.

I'm bored and thought I would just post a working CWE procedure here.

EXTRACTION

This procedure will separate codeine, hydrocodone, or oxycodone from aspirin, APAP (acetominaphen, paracetamol), or ibuprofen, but it won't remove caffeine. Be a good cook and read the whole recipe before beginning the process.

Crush the pills up up very thoroughly. You can use a sturdy pill or vitamin bottle and a ramekin for this. If you're extracting 10 pills, a quarter cup of water is more than enough (50 ml if you have a measuring cup with mls on it is good). With 15-20 Vicodin ES, 100 ml of water works well. The more water you use, the more you will end up having to take and the more difficult it is to get the bad stuff out, so don't use too much. Conversely, too little water will give you just a paste that can't be separated. If you're going to extract more than one dose, then measure it in some way. You can, for instance, do up four or ten doses, just use some measure, like an empty eye-drops or herbal extract bottle.

Dissolve the crushed pills in the water; stir or shake till all the clumps are gone. Pour into the bottom of a small bowl, cover, and put it in the freezer. Let it get really cold, but not so cold it freezes (some binders seem to get really swollen if they freeze). This shouldn't take that long, since it's shallow. You will see the APAP actually crystallize out and you will be able to feel it as grit when you stick your finger into the liquid above the sludge and then rub your fingers. (But even if it doesn't do that, it works anyhow! Read the info about how it works to see why.) Take the liquid out of the fridge.

For a filter, use a piece of cloth about the size of a washcloth. The cloth can be any closely-woven cotten, preferably undyed. The back of a dress shirt or a piece of plain muslin works well. Tshirts are usually too loosely woven to work. Soak the cloth in cold water while you are waiting for the APAP crystals to form. Put the cloth in a coffee filter cone or just drape over the edges of a small bowl, glass, or jar. When the solution is ready, pour everything, solution and glop, into the cloth. Bring up the ends of the cloth and squeeze the solution through. This will produce a fairly cloudy solution. Now filter that cloudy solution through a coffee filter that has first been wet down with ice water. While that is filtering, scrape the glop left on the cloth into the bowl and add another 50-100 ml of water to go through the whole process above again and get more good stuff out of the glop. When the solution in the freezer is ready, pour it through the cloth, squeeze out, and filter that through a coffee filter wet down with ice water, just as you did the first batch. Add the two more or less clear solutions together.

If you want even purer stuff with less APAP, first reduce the volume of water by evaporating some of it in a warm oven or with a hair dryer. Take a couple of APAP crystals from your sludge, put them in the liquid to seed further crystallization of APAP, and repeat the chilling and filtering process.

You can drink your solution. Remember if you have made up more than one dose at a time to split it up before drinking it. Also, take it on an empty stomach for max absorption, or see the section on Potentiation to really increase the effectiveness of the opiate. Opiates are very terrible [in fact, one person reported continuing the extraction until the water was no longer bitter as a way to get out every mg of opiate]. You can eat a piece of chocolate or a cracker spread with butter first to kill the taste (and the fat will help the narcotic be absorbed), you can mix it with sugar or Kool-aid, or you can load it into a plain syringe (without needle!) and shoot it up your butt. (Rectal absorption is better and faster than oral, and a British medical text reports that the body is more tolerant of APAP taken rectally.) Whatever your means of ingestion, enjoy, and your bod will thank you. If you have any comments on or emendations of this procedure, email me. Please note that I did not write the article by Doc Ivo Sandor.

For you doubters, why extraction works-

Extraction works because APAP, ibuprofen, and aspirin are hardly soluble in water, especially when it's cold, whereas opiates are very soluble in water.

Here is solubility information on APAP. This tells us that according to the Merck Chemical Index, APAP is: "Soluble in methanol, ethanol, dimethyl-formamide, ethylene dichloride, acetone, ethyl acetate; slightly soluble in ether; very slightly soluble in cold water, considerably more soluble in hot water; insoluble in petroleum ether, pentane, benzene."

Here is the information on ibuprofen. This tells us that according to the Merck Chemical Index, ibuprofen is: "Relatively insoluble in water; very soluble in alcohol, and most organic solvents."

And according to this version of the MSDS on aspirin, it is dissolved in room-temperature water at the rate of 1 g/100 g/water.

That is 1000 mg per 100 cc or ml of water (about 3 ounces) at 37 C--and the colder the water, the less aspirin dissolves.

In contrast, opiates are very soluble in water. Extraction works because the water dissolves opiates but not the aspirin, APAP, or ibuprofen. Extraction has a solid basis in chemistry, so quit worrying about it.

[fnord]

wow that sounds like a great improvent,thanks bogumil!
i think this old thread deserves a good
*BUMP*

[Ethyl]

Can SWIM use something else to filter the mix?

Swie use just a paper napkin. The final solution is clear.

[fnord]

i dont think a paper napkin is the best to use but if its all you got use it,how much harder could it be to pick up some Coffey filters(1-4$us)?much better results and less wasted product that would be lost in the napkin,you also wouldent run the risk of the napkin breaking.

[Ethyl]

i dont think a paper napkin is the best to use but if its all you got use it,how much harder could it be to pick up some Coffey filters(1-4$us)?much better results and less wasted product that would be lost in the napkin,you also wouldent run the risk of the napkin breaking.

I think you're right but it's unavailable where i live. But i let the APAP settle first and try to put the liquid without even putting the APAP in the filter.

[SuprSonik]

Hi everyone, this is SWIM's first post here, and SWIM thought he'd share a "recipe" of his for masking the taste of a CWE. He decided to experiment one day as he figured there was no way he could possibly make it taste worse than it already does.

He had about 100ml of water containing approximately 200mg of codeine;He added a teaspoon of sugar and some chocolate syrup (the type you'd pour on ice cream or use to make chocolate milk) and stirred it up. He stood there with a soda in hand to chase it down in case it tasted as bad as usual, but to his surprise, it actually tasted pretty good. Beforehand he could barely keep the CWE down; it was a huge deterrent from wanting to use it.

It doesn't seem to affect the experience, although it does seem to come on a bit slower when using this method. :)

[HabitualCriminal]

Ok, swim has been thinking about the method of CWE and has a question which may seem stupid but swim has searched all over looking for some sort of answer and cannot find one. Anyway, all the CWE guides swim has found say to start with warm water, mix in the crushed pills, stir and cool to say 4 degrees and then filter. Swims question is, why start with the hot water, if the APAP is less soluble in cold water and the Codeine is more soluble, why not just mix the crushed pills in ice cold water and filter straight away? Has anyone ever tried this?

Swim realises there must be a reason for it but would just like it explained. Thanks.

[somniferic]

I know that this discussion is over, but SWIM saw it and thought oh shit! Are SWIY's aware of the sodium content of effs.? 300mgs+ per tab, x SWIY's recreational dose is NOT SAFE. Even at low 10 tabs, that's over 3gs of salt man, be careful saya SWIM, it don't take much to mess up off of sodium, the ol' organs don't like it when they are flooded with salt. Incidently, SWIM does 90 tabs, by CWE regularly, imagine the sodium(salt) content in that, which by the way, cannot be filtered. Someone comtradict SWIM, make me feel better about it! SWIM did 20 eff. tabs CWE (freezer technique), took one sip, then tipped that shit away, SWIM aint' that desperate!

[somniferic]

Also, SWIM has told me that THE best filters are those little 4-ply disposable hankies (tissues), tear a ply off carefully, then proceed as one would with previous filters, rubber bands etc... enjoy!

[coryt]

now lets say that you had completly seperated the APAP from the hydrocodone. . . . .in its liquid form could swim put the liquid in a pyrex dish and do what you call a water pull. . . . slowly evaporating the liquid on a hot plate until the water was gone and all the hydrocodone was on the bottom of the pyrex dish in in a powdered form? i am just speculating I have never done this and would like some feedback from some of our chem friends here. . . .thanx

[MrJim]

Yes, as long as the temperature is kept low.
And on another note - You haven't incriminated yourself, I just hope you did such consciously. We are sticklers here about not incriminating yourself, because it comes back as a poor reflection of this board.
But enough of the rules, you only have 3 posts, so WELCOME!

[Tortoise]

...If you are worried that you didn't get all the codeine out the solution what I sometimes do is re-do the extaction. I get all the solid white sludge and put it in the same solution cup I used before and mix it with 40ml hot tap water, mix it up and put the solution and another 40ml cold water and repeat the process.

I guess you could do it as many times as you like ;-). Weather you get more codeine or at least a little out of each extraction or if it even is worth it is beyond me but you could add the liquid of the first extraction and subsequent extractions all together to get the maximum amount of extracted codeine.

Bad idea right there!

The reason SWIY uses a small amount of water to begin with is to minimise the amount of APAP in solution that he ingests (the APAP he CAN'T see). If he drinks his re-extraction along with with his initial extraction he is now doubling the amount of APAP he ingests.

Swiy is wise to re-extract if he wants to be thrifty, but SWIM believes he should save the second yield of solution for a seperate occasion. It'll only be a 'lite' high though.

[Diapuch]

A friend of mine, was speaking to me, and he was wondering if hypothetically, using a combination of different substances in a CWE could end up being safer...

He asked me, if perhaps using a codeine and aspirin combo, an acetaminophen and codeine combo, and an ibuprofen and codeine combo would be "safer" because there's less of each product, and from my understanding the three products are not dangerous when combined.

Of course, I didn't know the answer to his question, so decided to ask you fine people here.

[Tortoise]

A friend of mine, was speaking to me, and he was wondering if hypothetically, using a combination of different substances in a CWE could end up being safer...

He asked me, if perhaps using a codeine and aspirin combo, an acetaminophen and codeine combo, and an ibuprofen and codeine combo would be "safer" because there's less of each product, and from my understanding the three products are not dangerous when combined.

Of course, I didn't know the answer to his question, so decided to ask you fine people here.

That approach would only work if your friend was to do seperate extractions so that there is as little water as possible for each compound to dissove into. But that starts to get tedious...

Furthermore, ibuprofen and aspirin should be considered quite similar drugs and shouldn't really be mixed as they have additive adverse effects.

[Diapuch]

Yes, as long as the temperature is kept low.
And on another note - You haven't incriminated yourself, I just hope you did such consciously. We are sticklers here about not incriminating yourself, because it comes back as a poor reflection of this board.
But enough of the rules, you only have 3 posts, so WELCOME!

SWIM wants to know if this is also possible with codeine?

Swim also wants to thank Tortoise for possibly saving his liver. :)

[CHEMDUDE]

crush the pills,wash with acetone (para is sol in tone,ware as codeine ain't)dry,add water and chill till about 10 degrees C.any para will havextalised in cold conditions(well at least enough that thepara won't kill your liver) para has a half life of about 2hrs.just a snipit of info there.drink the cold disgustingly bitter fluid and relax`n`enjoy..it don't get much simpler then that.
one can also do an a/b on the water extrct,but as above,don't expect all the codeine to be in there..be safe..peace..c_d

[Tortoise]

crush the pills,wash with acetone (para is sol in tone,ware as codeine ain't)dry,add water and chill till about 10 degrees C.any para will havextalised in cold conditions(well at least enough that thepara won't kill your liver) para has a half life of about 2hrs.just a snipit of info there.drink the cold disgustingly bitter fluid and relax`n`enjoy..it don't get much simpler then that.
one can also do an a/b on the water extrct,but as above,don't expect all the codeine to be in there..be safe..peace..c_d

Interesting. Bette Midler would like to know what the point of using acetone is though....

[CHEMDUDE]

tone extracts paracetamol/tylanol..the rest is simple science..read MSDS'S of para and codeine

[CHEMDUDE]

is that 3 times swim has said this or what?

[Tortoise]

tone extracts paracetamol/tylanol..the rest is simple science..read MSDS'S of para and codeineShe understands that, but since she can just as easily extract the codeine using water, she's confused as to why somebody would chose to use a more-expensive, volatile solvent instead.

[CHEMDUDE]

tone makes the whole extraction cleaner..para/tylanol is bad shit,best to make sureand rid as much of it as podss..peace..c_d

[CHEMDUDE]

by the way,swim would rather not use solvents that destroy the verry planet we live on,but my liver is delicate as it it is and needs all the protection it caan get..swim used to drop 15 30/500 para pills twice a day and justfor good measure drop 8/9 or 10 nur***n+12.5 mg codeine at the same time...swim is suprised he is not dead yet..prob won't be long though...c_d

[Tortoise]

Bette Midler has used a very straight-forward CWE extraction process many imes and never had any problems. She understands that 1000mg or less of APAP is comlpetely harmless for he liver so she is happy to ingest up to this much with each CWE.

She did an experiment once; she went to the shop and bought a pack APAP capsules. That's basically pure paracetamol in a removable plastic capsule. She put 500 mg into about 100ml of water and found that hot, warm or cold, there was absolutely no way all that APAP would dissolve. Impossible. She added heaps more water (up to 1L) and found that still, a vast, vast majority of the APAP was very visible and totally inable to pass through a coffee filter. She therefore concludes that if her CWE end product has no obvious particles in it, it is very safe to drink, even if it is a little cloudy.

Another possible experiment would be to dry the end product of a CWE. She doubts there'll be any more than 1000mg of solid.

[CHEMDUDE]

to swims mind,anything that can remove even just a little extra para is good in my books.but swim is in a different situation then others with his liver being what it is.swim wish he found this site a long time ago.
harm reduction is a rare thing on sites and all you swims out there seem right on the ball with it.swim thanx swiT for all the good info on said subject..peace.c_d

[Ethyl]

She understands that, but since she can just as easily extract the codeine using water, she's confused as to why somebody would chose to use a more-expensive, volatile solvent instead.

When swiy do a "normal" cwe you will get a lot of Paracetamol in the water too.
Swie uses capsules with 30mg codeine and 500mg paracetamol and dissolves them in 2ml water for each capsule. That way if swie would do a 50 pills extract in 100ml water he would still get over 1gr paracetamol (1gr dissolves in 70ml at 21º) in that liquid. The results would be 1500mg codeine and more than 1gr of paracetamol.

If swiy did a toluene wash in the last phase then they would clear the paracetamol too.
But if you do a acid/base extraction it would also work.

[Tortoise]

When swiy do a "normal" cwe you will get a lot of Paracetamol in the water too.
Swie uses capsules with 30mg codeine and 500mg paracetamol and dissolves them in 2ml water for each capsule. That way if swie would do a 50 pills extract in 100ml water he would still get over 1gr paracetamol (1gr dissolves in 70ml at 21º) in that liquid. The results would be 1500mg codeine and more than 1gr of paracetamol.

If swiy did a toluene wash in the last phase then they would clear the paracetamol too.
But if you do a acid/base extraction it would also work.
Even if it's true that 1g dissolves in 70ml at 21º. (Although Bette challenges you to try to dissolve 1g of pure paracetamol in 70ml of water... virtually imposible), Bette does her CWE's on near-frozen solution and filters it in the fridge. The temperature is at most 4º, and the solubility is far lower at this temperature.

BTW.... 50 pills? What does Swie need 1500mg of codeine for??

[Ethyl]

Even if it's true that 1g dissolves in 70ml at 21º. (Although Bette challenges you to try to dissolve 1g of pure paracetamol in 70ml of water... virtually imposible), Bette does her CWE's on near-frozen solution and filters it in the fridge. The temperature is at most 4º, and the solubility is far lower at this temperature.

BTW.... 50 pills? What does Swie need 1500mg of codeine for??

Swie uses codeine almost daily, and that way he has to make less extractions.
Swie doesn't use it in doses above 400mg alltought, he considers using that much a waste.

[kritikal]

Hey i was just thinking that as sodium chloride can lower the freezing point of water that perhaps it could be used in a filtration process to allow the water to still be liquid but allow the unwanted to solidify? I'm uncertain as to whether the salt would also lower the crystallization temperature of the unwanted analgesic.

If this could work then maybe an in freezer filtration could be possible. Although you would end up with salt as a by product i'm sure it would not make it taste too much worse than it already does!!

[Tortoise]

Good point, but probably not woth it seeing as paracetamol is non-toxic in low levels such as those remaining in a CWE.

[wreckreational]

Swim would like to know can this method be applied to loratab 10's? If not does anyone know the proper method (a method for percocet 5's would also be handy).

[wreckreational]

sorry should've read more and used se found the info swim needed thanks

[sketchedout11]

can you tinfoil it?

[Ethyl]

For that codeine base would be the thing to have.
BTW, codeine has less abuse potential if smoked/snorted compared to oral.

[darkglobe]

Right - time for me give this thread a good bumping, methinks... so - *bump*.

Right, that over with...

Cold Water Extraction Basic Do's and Don'ts (Mainly Don'ts!)
When attempting to separate Codeine Phosphate (well, usually Codeine Phosphate) from a Paracetamol/Acetaminophen combination, a CWE is the way to do it.
Below I have listed a few of the more important do's and don'ts, and with some a reason why is also listed.

(I will not re-post a detailed CWE instruction set here, as I have posted it elsewhere on the site, so please use the search engine to avoid asking unnecessary questions and filling DF with duplicate topics.)

Do's
Make sure you're METICULOUS with hygiene - many chemical processes go tits up due to carelessness (sp?)

Use a SENSIBLE amount of water:
Too little, it will taste even more unpleasant, and you may have to little water for the Codeine to properly dissolve.
Too much, and you may end up with Para/Acet dissolving (although I'm not convinced of this, it's better to be safe than writhing on the floor while your liver packs in!).

Use a suitable filter, and - whatever you use - USE IT PROPERLY! Improper filtration = To put it bluntly, imminent death, or at least imminent pain. Or probably both.

Don'ts
Okay, admittedly these are just the binary opposites of the above, but re-iteration is better than expiration!

"Guess" (don't even "guesstimate" unless you have enough CWE's udner your belt to do so) ANY quantities. I cannot stress how important a bit of caution can be for your health and wellbeing.

Get impatient. My friend was guilty of this one. He couldn't wait for the solution to cool in order for the Para/Acet to precipitate out of the solution - he ended up having his stomach pumped, and as I was there in the hospital with him, I can safely say it DIDN'T look pleasant.

Conclusion, and my 'boring' lectures again...
Be careful, be methodical, be happy, let SWIM enjoy his/her drug use as safely as possible. Hell, if the substances have risks, you don't wanna add more. And Para/Acet is not a friendly substance! (Incidentally neither is too much Ibuprofen).

[darkglobe]

For that codeine base would be the thing to have.
BTW, codeine has less abuse potential if smoked/snorted compared to oral.
Before I go - I REALLY wouldn't recommend smoking it!

[madmatt3d]

hey, swims solution usually always ends up a cloudy white, not clear white.
swims previous solution is not clear at all, despite multiple filterations.
is this a bad thing?

[ZugZug]

SWIM has noticed that a cwe made from paracetamol (acetaminophen) is always a little cloudy whereas a cwe made from aspirin is very clear. To my knowledge as long as there is no visible chunks both are safe.

[darkglobe]

I was walking once upon a time and I came across the following information.

It was entitled: "Advice", and it began.... "Dear SWIY,"



SWIM has never CWE'd aspirin, only Paracetamol, so SWIM'S no help for the Aspirin one.

BUT... it's fine for your solution to be SLIGHTLY cloudy. If there's any significant amount of solid shite floating about, feel free to filter and cool it again. It won't hurt your codeine count, but if it puts your mind at rest, it honestly can only do good.

Just don't keep CWE end product too long, and don't expose it to much light, as strong light for extended periods of time will breakdown the Codeine (SWIM'S not certain of how or why, but believe that it does).

[pankreeas]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the most straight forward way to determine how much acetaminophen you are left with. Why not weigh the amount of pills before hand, then weigh the remaining extract goop (after it has fully dried of course). Of course one cannot be sure it's the only substance in there but it's a way to make sure you have not ingested unsafe amounts of paracetamol.

[greenapple]

not sure this is the right place to ask (haven't seen this anywhere before) but SWIM wonders if anyone here knows how long the codeine mixture lasts after CWE...

only because SWIM like to be prepared :)

like does it go bad or is it toxic or anything?

[Tortoise]

It will last a very, very long time if Swiy puts it in the freezer

[Henfer]

another question about the CWE: SWIH can't find ANY information about propiphenazone and how good it dissolves in CWE (hopefully not so good, of course), as SWIH has tablets with 10mg codeine, 250 mg Acetaminophen and 50mg caffeine and 210 mg propiphenazone (as far as SWIY knows this is supposed to be an analgesic pretty similar to Acetaminophen...but he does not know for sure) per tab, and the results of his CWE is always cloudy with those tabs (and SWIH did a fairly large amount of CWE with other tabs by now), and drinking it actually always ends up with cramps in the stomach and guts and nausea up to vomiting for anywhere between 1 to 3 days.

and it's definately not the codeine causing the nausea, SWIH has a pretty high tolerance through usage of tilidine for managing chronic pain, 200mg/24 hours retarted pills and about 400mg daily through drops.

PS: the tabs are these here: http://www.tegobe.com/vademecumi/alkaloid/caffetin.html
no prices/ordering or anything, just a description of ingredients and how the tabs work.

[godzcamera]

okay swim is confused b/c there are so many ways on this forum to preform this CWE. swim would love for someone with vast experiance to give him one simple perfect way to preform this CWE . last time i tried i failed b/c i was reading so many ways to preform this CWE so this time i would appricate it very much to just get an answer, a perfect answer from an expert at CWE. thank you.

[Niagara]

SWIM is semi confused or un-certain, SWIM has never done an CWE before and is having a problem mentally picturing the procedure and out come.

SWIM will try to keep this very brief: (If SWIY could verify this, would be wonderful)

- Crush pills, Put crushed pills into warm water, (2ml of water for every pill)
- Make sure most of the pills completely dissolve in the water (Apprently some pills won't?)
- Place the solution into a container, stir occasionaly until solution is under 15C, Wait until cold, but not freezing, remove solution from freezer/fridge
- Get a seperate container (jar) place filter over opening filter, pour solution through filter.
- Check the final filterted product for obvious "chunks" (If none CWE is complete)

(Repeat?)

[godzcamera]

that helps swim did not know about 2ml of water. swim thought just enough water to cover the pills in the container. what do swiy use for a filter? i have to say acetomemophen is like a clay type material after this CWE. funny. liquid tastes like s*** . whats and easyier way to drink fill it in a needle without the needle then stick the tube in your throat and inject? maybe swig might try.

[Niagara]

that helps swim did not know about 2ml of water. swim thought just enough water to cover the pills in the container. what do swiy use for a filter? i have to say acetomemophen is like a clay type material after this CWE. funny. liquid tastes like s*** . whats and easyier way to drink fill it in a needle without the needle then stick the tube in your throat and inject? maybe swig might try.

SWIM would be using a coffee filter.

Although SWIM must stress SWIM HAS NEVER DONE AN CWE BEFORE.

SWIM is waiting for SWIY to verify that "procedure".

Take what SWIM says with a grain of salt until SWIY proves otherwise.

[Tortoise]

Below is Swim's theoretical solution. Tortoise does not condone Swim's behaviour and certainly does not suggest anybody trying this themselves.

Swim's method;
1. Select good pills (ones that don't take forever to dissolve) and place in cup #1
2. Add 70ml tap water (Swim always uses 70mls for anything between 1 to 40 pills)
3. Stir occasionally untill dissolved. (ie, no pill chunks remain)
4. Put in freezer until it just begins to hint at ice formation.
5. Fold edges of coffee filter #1 and insert it into coffee filter#2
6. Wet filters with ice water
7. Place filters over plastic cup, ie cup#2 (secure with rubber bands if Swiy likes)
8. Pour sludge into filter.
9. Add 10ml ice water to cup#1 to obtain leftover sludge and pour into filter.
10. Wait 1 hour
11. Take out filters. Fold filter#1 to enclose sludge. Fold filter#2 to enclose sludge and filter#1.
12. Place funnel into cup#2
13. Slowly and very carefully squeeze sludge containing filters (over funnel) until no more liquid can be squeezed out. Discards filters/sludge.
14. Inspect final solution. Should look a little cloudy but must not have any obvious solids or particles. If so, filter again.
15. Drink final solution being careful not to complain about the taste on internet forums.
16. Relax
17. Add to Tortoise's reputation

[pankreeas]

2. Add 70ml tap water (Swim always uses 70mls regardless of number of pills)

Overall the procedure you posted is almost identical to swiy's however the above is a little misleading. If doing an extraction on 70 pills..or even more for a bulk extraction, then 70 ml of water is going to leave nothing but an unworkable sludge.

[Tortoise]

Yes, true. Very good point. Swim never CWE's anything more than 40 pills at once.

[pankreeas]

Ok how about we debunk some myths here. If anyone can from personal experience offer input on the following, please do so.

1./ Gradually bringing down temp of cwe, ie./ fridge then freezer, as opposed to straight in freezer will result in a better yield.

2./ Extracting 50 pills will get a better yield if done split into separate containers.

3./ Cloudy final product = undesirable. Re-filter

4./ Water must be hot or at least lukewarm, and not started cold to speed up things.

5./ Excess freezing is not detrimental; however, if not thawed sufficiently then some binders can swell to lessen efficiency.

[Tortoise]

According to Swim;

1. Definitely false. No scientific reason why that should be so. Solubility is dependant solely on temperature not rate of change of temperature.

2. True. There is a point where the number of tablets becomes difficult to manage due to the sheer bulk of matter that one is dealing with, particularly if using small filters and cups. Swim has found that point to be around 40-50 tablets.

3. False. If some binder/filler has found it's way into the final product it will definitely appear a little cloudy but filtering again is unneccesary and will not remove this cloudiness. If a significant amount of paracetamol/ibuprofen/aspirin has worked it's way into the final solution then there will be preciptates (small, visible particles). Filtering again is definitely advised in this case.

4. False and true depending on the brand. All pills will dissolve eventually in cold water, some just seem to dissolve much, much faster than others. For those that dissolve more slowly, starting with warm water is a good idea. However, using warm water on pills that dissolve easily enough in cold water is a waste of time, as it then takes a while to cool it down.

5. Correct, freezing is not at all detrimental. If not thawed sufficiently though, some solution will not filter simply because it is frozen, not because binders have swelled.

Swim hopes this is useful.

[godzcamera]

Swim thanks all. swim did CWE tonight and did not follow all instructions given to him exactly the way they were written. swim did use 40 pills and coffee filters for filter. and everything worked wonderfully. swim still needs to perfect CWE but swim is getting the hang of it. thanks to all on the website that have helped swim so so so so much i love you all!

[Tortoise]

That's great to hear. Now just remind Swiy that he is playing with one of the most addictive family of drugs on earth and to exercise caution.

Oh, and if you'd really like to express your appreciation please add to the reputation of those who have helped you out. It's a good system.

Peace friend
Tortoise

[godzcamera]

swim is new on forum and does not know how to ? add reputation.

[Tortoise]

You can add to somebody's reputation by clicking on the little heart icon in the top right-hand corner of the box in which their post appears. Next to the exclamation mark and above their join date, location, age etc...

[godzcamera]

swim will so do it. question for swiy. if swim wanted to start disoving tabs tonight for tomarrow is there a certain time limit that the disoving has to be done in. should it be done in the dark. swims just wonderin.

[Tortoise]

No, there is no time limit. It depends on the brand of tablets and the temperature of the water. Some brands dissolve within minutes, some take up to an hour. It most certainly does not need to be done in the dark.

Take care.

[godzcamera]

great. hey swim has a problem with his hearts for some reason swim can only add reputation to himself. swim has contacted alfa to see why. maybe b/c swim is new. as soon as its fixed swim will hook you up. =)

[godzcamera]

swim has just found out that swim cannot add reputation till swim has 40 post on mesg board. almost there

[Creeping Death]

What is the simplest way to extract the pure codeine powder from the water after CWE?

[Mint boi]

I think its generally accepted that trying to get powder from a cwe is more hassle than its worth. Evaporation would probably be the easiest way to go, but swiy should not expose the solution to heat as codeine degrades with heat.

[Tortoise]

Tortoise's tortoise tried to evaporate CWE water down to a powder but found that it was a bitch to scrape off and estimates that he lost heaps. Not really worth it, considering you can't even snort the stuff!

[highwaygirl]

SWIM did her first cold water extraction the other night and she didn't pre-wet the filter. The remaining water was very cloudy even after SWIM filtered it 3 times.

Tonight, however, SWIM let the mixture cool in the window for the evening, instead of in the freezer for awhile and used a pre-wet coffee filter. After the first filtering the mixture in SWIM's cup is almost perfectly clear. Does anyone think she needs to filter it again just to be safe, or will it be fine as it is?

[Tortoise]

Hey highwaygirl. Welcome to the forums! Was the water cold (chilled) when it was filtered? How much water Swiy use? If the answers to those questions are 'yes' and 'less than about 70ml' then Noddy McNodson thinks Swiy should be safe. Cloudy solution isn't a big deal as the binders in various pills cause this appearance, but there must be no precipitates. In other words, no floating dust-like particles. If there are, it will need to be refiltered.

peace
Tortoise

[highwaygirl]

The water was about the temp that it is outside which is maybe 2 degrees? SO quite chilly was SWIM's water :) SWIM used about 50ml for 20 pills. SWIM made sure the other night and tonight that there were no floating particles because not only is that not good, but it would also gross SWIM out even more to have to drink floating particles.

And thanks for the welcome :D

[Tortoise]

Sounds just fine then, should make you feel real nice-like.

[highwaygirl]

SWIM notices that when she squeezes the filter the mixture becomes cloudy. Could SWIM be pushing some of the bad stuff through the filter when she squeezes it?

[Tortoise]

check out the thread entitled "to squeeze or not to squeeze"

[chaostildeath]

Just want to that all of the posters to this thread for sharing their knowledge. I shall report back, share personal experiences, and spread reputation when the time comes.

[chaostildeath]

Just want to that all of the posters to this thread for sharing their knowledge. I shall report back, share personal experiences, and spread reputation when the time comes.

I is an acronym for SWIM's dreams of course. :p

[chaostildeath]

SWIT was wondering on exact amounts used in the process. SWIT has 60+ 7.5 mg hydrocodone w/ 750 mg APAP. SWIT would also like to know if he is supposed to drink the filtered mixture whole essentially taking 1-60 strength of pills at one time. SWIT is looking for clarification. SWIT will most likely be following SWIM's theoretical solution posted earlier.

[Romulusza]

I was wondering if there is a difference between Codeine Phosphate (10mg) and the normal Codeine you guys talk about. Will I be able to use these pills with the CWE?

[highwaygirl]

SWIM wonders if doing the extraction with juice, which usually has lots of water in it, would be as effective in getting all the bad stuff out? SWIM is not fond of the taste and she finds she cannot hide the taste by mixing it with apple juice because she ends up with 4 times as much yucky liquid to drink. It isn't as foul-tasting as the original mixture, but still bad enough that it makes it hard to drink so much of it.

[Tortoise]

Interesting. Swim has never tried this but he imagines that it would work. The taste has never proved to be much of a bother for him though, sure it's not nice but it's almost like a rite of passage, much like the pain of the needle is to a heroin addict. 'No pleasure without pain' kinda thing.

[highwaygirl]

SWIM isn't fond of needles :p SWIM is also more used to fun drugs like coke and E where taking them is either not a big deal or half the fun of the drug.

SWIM will try the extraction sometime in the next few days and post results!

[chaostildeath]

tortoise, swim would like to know how many pills can be extracted and consequently consumed at one time.

[Tortoise]

Swit believes that it's not the number of pills one uses that counts, rather the amount of cold water that they use. Swit doesn't like the idea of ingesting any more than 80ml of CWExtacted water because any more than that could contain too much paracetamol. Some would be apprehensive about even that much. Swit has found that with this in mind he doesn't like using any more than 40 tablets because it's becaomes too thick and doesn't filter so well.

On the rare occasion that Swit wants more codeine than this, he will also do a CWE on a handful of ibuprofen/codeine tablets. This is a seperate extraction of course.

Swit asks that you please be careful and make sure you don't use too much water and make sure that iit's very cold as you filter it. He says that if there are any visible solids it will need to be refiltered.

peace
T

[Mint boi]

@ Romulusza
Codeine Phosphate is one of the three main codeine salts that codeine is sold as ( the others being sulphate and hydrochloride). The pills swim uses contain codeine phosphate!

[Bikelbees]

I'm not sure why the amount of water is important, it seems as if more water = less waste in the filter etc. Surely if the water is properly cooled then the para will precipitate out no matter how much water?

[Mint boi]

the more water the more paracetamol is diluted. Its not the it is entirely insoluble, just not very, up to 100ml is in theory only going to yield 1.4g of paracetamol in the filtered dilution... but better safe than sorry.

Paracetamol dilutes: 14mg in 1ml at 20 degrees C

[Bikelbees]

the more water the more paracetamol is diluted. Its not the it is entirely insoluble, just not very, up to 100ml is in theory only going to yield 1.4g of paracetamol in the filtered dilution... but better safe than sorry.

Paracetamol dilutes: 14mg in 1ml at 20 degrees C

I got that, but isnt the point that it (para) comes out when chilled?

[Mint boi]

Not all of it, the solubility drops, but not entirely. Again better safe than sorry. 2ml per pill is usually enough to get a good codeine yield anyway

[Milker]

Swim is used to codiene he cwe from co-codomals
Swim's usual dose is 300-350
Swim only had Paramol now "7.46/500 Dihydrocodeine tartate"

Swim likes to be safe before he does anything with new pills and is currently unsure how to go about finding his correct dose with said pills. He has read that they are considered double the strength of codeine which would make Swim think that he could consider one 7.46/500 pill as a rough 15mg of regular codiene, but he isn't 100% sure and doesn't want to rush into anything for the sake of getting his comfort, he atleast has a bit of sense.

He asked me if anyone with Dihydrocodeine tartate had a friend who has dosed on such pills and could help Swim make a correct dosage for his cwe extraction.

Swim has 24 7.46/500 and Swim needs help if possible =(

Swim wasn't able to open a thread for whatever reason but he thought this would be a good a place as any for him to place it as it dose have to do with cwe as well as the dose, swim hopes nobody minds

[Nackrite]

i was hoping someone could make a detailed list of all pills that can be used in a CWE. i would b very pleased with a simple list of OTCs that can be used in CWEs or even a list of codeine containing OTC would be nice. some comparable doses would help as well.

thx for any help u provide

[highwaygirl]

SWIM lives in Canada where you can go to a pharmacy and just ask them for tylenol with codeine. It's technically a generic brand by tylenol is easier to say in SWIM's opinion. They contain 8mg codeine, 15mg caffeine, and 300mg of the bad stuff.

This is the only way SWIM knows of to get codeine. Thankfully it is legal and cheap for SWIM, as she does not condone illegal activity and likes to lead by example :p

SWIM had heard that a carbon filter, similar to what SWIM used when she worked in a pet store may remove some of the caffeine after a CWE but isn't too sure.

[Ethyl]

it is activacted charcoal to completly remove the caffeine. Its sold at healthstores or pharmacies.

[pankreeas]

Swim would like to add a few things....

First off he decided today to go above his regular # of tablets in his cwe and crushed a total of 70 pills. This in theory is about 560 mg of codeine and a hair over 1 gram of caffeine... He had previously been doing 50 pills due to his readings on Codeine ceiling at 400 mg, anything more is not absorbed... but he decided to test the final result of his cwe since he always had a feeling that no more than 1/2 then codeine is extracted. Well he once again has tasted the long lost euphoria and now wonders if it's the efficiency of the extraction or that the ceiling effect is still not reached.

So the burning question... what's swiy's maximum # of pills extracted (and taken in 1 dose, not extracted for multiple pre-prepared in batches)? and also are there any findings similar to swims?

[oliv99]

Hey . SWIM was wondering if SWIY know some ways to make the effects of extracted codeine stronger or come up faster . Thanks :)

[pankreeas]

search the forums for opiate potentiantion for more in depth analysis but this show get swiy headed on the right path.

100mg dxm 2 hours before codeine dose will potentiate it as well as that in conjunction with popping a tums to increase it's rate of absorption. Then theres a plethora of certain back pain relief meds to research.

[oliv99]

only 100 mg of dxm .. ive done up to 750 and have somewhat of a tolerance ... what about grapefruit juice ? i heard bs about it does something that turns it into morphine but never quite got weather it actually increases or decreases its potency

[oliv99]

* SWIM has done * SWIM heard

[pankreeas]

of course swiy has... 100 mg of dxm is merely the catalyst for getting more out of the codeine. 700 mg would not potentiate but take over.. then the codeine would merely mellow out the dxm. But with just a threshold dose the dxm would synergise with the codeine and sort of "enhance" the experience.

[travelingman]

Could anyone help SWIM out with this one???

SWIM has an unlimited amount of 50mg codeine/50mg potassium diclofenac pills. SWIM is not huge on NSAIDs because of the whole heart attack, steven johnson, burns on your skin shite. SWIM knows that potassium is very water soluble and is wondering how to extract the codeine from these pills in order to convert into morphine later.

SWIM has access to almost all lab equipment e.g. filters, vacuums, distillation kits, seperatory funnels etc. Can anyone answer this please?

Thanks in advance for any help.

[JTC3889]

Swim obtained 20 tylenol 3s (30 codiene/ 300 APAP) and extracted two via CWE to test it out, but to speed the process of evaporation he heated the codiene and water solution on the stove in a pan with a pretty good yield (very crystaline, some off white, some clear). this is his first extraction. He was wondering if this method would work with more pills without ruining the product via stove. He was wondering if anyone had any ideas for a 10 pill exraction

[pankreeas]

Swim would like to add a few things....

First off he decided today to go above his regular # of tablets in his cwe and crushed a total of 70 pills. This in theory is about 560 mg of codeine and a hair over 1 gram of caffeine... He had previously been doing 50 pills due to his readings on Codeine ceiling at 400 mg, anything more is not absorbed... but he decided to test the final result of his cwe since he always had a feeling that no more than 1/2 then codeine is extracted. Well he once again has tasted the long lost euphoria and now wonders if it's the efficiency of the extraction or that the ceiling effect is still not reached.


Well it seems that the 7mg/kg ceiling he has read about for codeine is indeed true. He has stopped receiving effects after this point. He will now try some potentiating via dxm and possibly others to see if this has any impact.

*Note that this would be a ridiculously high dosage and could cause some respiratory or other complications if such an aready high tolerance is not present*

[Klaus]

not sure this is the right place to ask (haven't seen this anywhere before) but SWIM wonders if anyone here knows how long the codeine mixture lasts after CWE...

only because SWIM like to be prepared :)

like does it go bad or is it toxic or anything?

Swim finds that Codeine/paracetamol CWE turns brown in a couple of days .:(

Swim don't know if this is harmful though .

Keeping a CWE is never a problem for swim though as he always consumes it all immediately.

It pisses swim that he cant get his mits on codeine/aspirin where he resides:mad:

[Tortoise]

Swim lives in Australia and can only find codeine in combo with soluble aspirin which can't be CWE'd. There is only brand he knows of that contains codeine and non-soluble aspirin but it is expensive and has lots of lactose in it. Lactose turns Swim into a stinky mofo.

[oxyaddict420]

Swim takes 7-8 of the 5/500mg vicodin to (try) and get that euphoric rush.. Swim has had a horrible incident with apap and has NEVER ever tried to CWE anything.. This is all very new and foriegn to Swim.. He doesnt want to kill his liver so Swim wants to start using the CWE but is afraid of messing it up and taking alot, or all of the apap.. Swim has read every single post in this CWE thread and still feels very nervous about attemtping his first CWE with hydrocodone and apap 500mg.. Swim wants to start out small, and practice to perfect.. Can anyone's friend help me (like a dummies guide) in real basic terms to get through his first CWE?

Swim would be super greatful, and his liver would love there friend for it..

[Mint boi]

step by step how my ferret does his cwe;

1. crush pills, doesn't have to be fine powder just broken up to help speed up dilution
2. add 2ml of room temperature water per pill to the crushed pills ( so 7 pills would be 14 mls, this doesn't have to be exact, just don't add LOADS of water!
3. stir mixture until no more of the solid will dilute.
4. My ferret now puts the mixture in the fridge until its cold, or if he's in a rush the freezer. Just make sure the mixture is as cold as the fridge will make it.
5. get 2 coffee filters and put one inside the other, wet the filter paper and filter the solution (my ferret lets it filter in the fridge)
6. swiy should now have a clear or almost clear solution, so long as there are no visible solids in the mix swiy should be ok to take it.

Im sure more people will add to this but thats a basic run through of my ferrets method.

[oxyaddict420]

Swim is currently letting the saucer with the mixed 5/500 and water cool in the fridge until it is completly as cold as it will get(as instructed).. Now Swim has put coffe filters in a ice water bath and then rigged them up in a cup ready for the filtering..

Question 1-- When do you know for sure the apap is seperated from the hydrocodone enough to filter(Swim read that someone was too impatient and then he drank all the apap and watched him get his stomach pumped at the e.r!!) Swim deosn't want this!

Question 2--When all that is left is the yeild of good stuff, since Swim isnt ready to take it for about 4-6 hours from now what does Swim do to make sure it stays pure and good to take at that later time?(Swim read in the freezer, but also seen it can freeze, so a little confused)..

SWIM THANKS YOU--So does his liver

[Mint boi]

Q 1: It depends on how cold swiy's fridge is, my ferret dips a finger into the mixture after about 30 min and if it feels nice and cold its good to go.

Q 2: swiy can leave it in the fridge for the 4 hrs and it'll be fine. Its ok to freeze it too, but this there's no point unless swiy wants to store it for a longer period.

[oxyaddict420]

Swim is extremely nervous about his first CWE and how it will feel, and if Swim did everything just right..

On a different note my pet iguana thanks everyone for the knowledge that has been fed to him.. He is happy to have such good owners..:thumbsup:

[Mint boi]

Try not worry about it too much. My ferret used to get nervous about his first few cwe's, but once the extration is reasonably clear and has no suspended solids in it everything will be just fine!

[Tortoise]

step by step how my ferret does his cwe;

1. crush pills, doesn't have to be fine powder just broken up to help speed up dilution
2. add 2ml of room temperature water per pill to the crushed pills ( so 7 pills would be 14 mls, this doesn't have to be exact, just don't add LOADS of water!
3. stir mixture until no more of the solid will dilute.
4. My ferret now puts the mixture in the fridge until its cold, or if he's in a rush the freezer. Just make sure the mixture is as cold as the fridge will make it.
5. get 2 coffee filters and put one inside the other, wet the filter paper and filter the solution (my ferret lets it filter in the fridge)
6. swiy should now have a clear or almost clear solution, so long as there are no visible solids in the mix swiy should be ok to take it.

Im sure more people will add to this but thats a basic run through of my ferrets method.

Noddy McNodson agrees that this is the ideal method, the only difference with his CWEs are the fact that he uses a little more water. Typically, he uses about 80ml of water for most extractions for anywhere up to 40 pills.

[Mint boi]

My ferret uses generally 2ml, because he uses capsules with no fillers so he finds he really doesnt need more than that, but as you say, up to 100ml is probably ok in theory, although he probably wouldn't go there!

[oxyaddict420]

My pet Iguana kind of split the difference and used 30ml for 7 pills.. It has been around 35-40 minutes in the fridge(not freezer) no hurry for the hungry iguana.. My per iguana just ate and feels allllrrriiggghhhttt.. But in about 4-5 hours he will be wanting to feast on his newest treat.. CWE.. He will let us know how it all went..

[Tortoise]

My ferret uses generally 2ml, because he uses capsules with no fillers so he finds he really doesnt need more than that, but as you say, up to 100ml is probably ok in theory, although he probably wouldn't go there!

Codeine cupsules?? Noddy wants codeine capsules! That would be so much easier.

[oxyaddict420]

Swim has started the filter process and has the Glass in the fridge(not freezer) filtering.. How long should this process take at most?

Also, Swim noticed that in alot of other filtering steps that alot of Indians liked to filter their final solution 3-4 times? Or do they mean to filter the remaining sludge left after the filter over 3-4 times to get the most out of it.. Kind of confused

[Mint boi]

It depends on the pills, some filter pretty fast, within 15 min, others take up to 45min in my ferrets experience, if swiy doesnt plan to take it straight away he might as well just let it filter until he's sure its all through.

Sometimes one might want to refilter the solution, after the first time if there are still solids in the solution. Some people add more water to the sludge and filter that, but thats pointless and just adds more apap. One filtration through a double coffee filter should be enough, do a second if swiy feels like it. IMHO filtering more than 2 times with double filters is pointless and just increases loss in final product.

[oxyaddict420]

Swim thinks he will leave it in the fridge for about another hour or so.. unless the indians thinks it is a bad idea to do the filtering for an extra hour then thats the plan..

Looks cloudy, but see-through still.. Swim is thinking of Filtering the final solution one extra time to just get a cleaner yeild.. If none of the indians disagree, then things seem to be gravy, and Swims pet iguana is going to be treating in a few hours.. Thats good, because he is getting thirsty

[oxyaddict420]

Swims pet iguana drank his new wet CWE treat.. He said it was slow to kick in(suprised based on other posts) but was pleasantly suprised, and satisfied with the results..

For Swims first time, the color of the liquid was clear as the best water $$ can buy..

Swim is very proud and yet very appriciative of his trainers..

[oxyaddict420]

Swim would also like to note that he decided to CWE another dose for the night.. Swim told me that he did 8 of the 5/500 this time to compensate for the loss of some hydro..

Everything is good except for one thing.. After about 1hour to 1 1/2 hour later he told me his kidneys were throbbing. Especially his left side.. but when he put pressure on either side up high where the dr said where the actual pain would be for kidneys it WAS PRESENT.. Any ideas on why? He has chosen to drink alot of water to try and keep his system flushing at a good pace.. He is pissing quite a bit, but the high he said was nice.

[outriderx]

hey i got one question.. i know some have already said coffefilters are best (except for lab equipment) but where i live there are not available cos everybody makes his coffee without filtering (south-east europe).
however, what would be the next best thing SWIM could get a hold off? im thinking about using old tight-meshed boxers, since they are pretty tight compared to f.e. t-shirts. any other suggestions?

and could SWIY maybe tell what PCM and what codein tastes like and who SWIM could possibly find out that the experiment did not completly go wrong?!

thanks in advance, some very good posts here!

[outriderx]

ok so SWM tried it with SWIMs boxers and (with no tolerance) SWIM got a pretty nice buzz out of it, he'd guess 200mg (which means 1/3rd of codein lost, 30 capsules a 10mg) but SWIM filtered it only once and it was just slighty cloudy.

[oxyaddict420]

Swim used 2 coffee filters as directed from above, but I noticed Swiy say that he doesnt have those there. SUX.. Swim sure the hell hopes he isn't losing 1/3 of his hydrocodone.. This morning Swim did a 18 pill 5/500 vicodin CWE and made 2 doses of it.. He took them both within 3 hours and is feelin pretty OK...

question?!* Do you really lose about 1/3 of the narcotic, or can someone be more acurate to what is more realistic to what is actually lost..

[outriderx]

no SWIM just guessed it, by the effects of the codein. and the other fact is that he filtered it only once and very quickly and on a pretty low temperature, so he might have gotten more out of it if he would have been more patient, but also more PCM probably, which he was more afraid of since he only used a piece of cloth for filtering.

now, the nexz day, swim would say it was anything between 200-300mg (whereas 300mg would mean no loss). so the result is not too bad

[oxyaddict420]

Swim would like to know how long Swiy's buzz lasted and how often he has done this?

Swim is doing hydrocodone, and has done about 6 CWE in the past 24 hours or so and taken them all. Starting at around 8 pills to now doing up to 12 per CWE dose.. Sometimes Swim doesnt even feel anything for hours.. Very different than taking the pills normally he said.

[outriderx]

i'd say SWIM CWE was pretty much like "normal" codein tablets.
ok, SWIM didnt take any Opioids in 3 months, so he didnt have a tolerance, but he used to take "everything", especially opium, codein, tramadol & tilidin before that for around 1 year on a daily basis, and hase had quite a lot experience with opioids.

it was round about the same effects, he'd say it was maybe even a tiny bit too much since he fell asleep around 12pm (he took at around 8 pm). the onset was slow (like it usually is with codein), the only thing different was that his body felt a lil hotter than usual, but the reason for that (and him being tired) might as well be the fact the the pills he made the CWE with also contained some kind of anti-allergic, which are known to do this in higher dosages.
overall nice experience, but in SWIM opinion not useful for daily usage or usage w/ tolerance.

[oxyaddict420]

Swim agrees.. He used about 70+ vicodin over about 2-3 days doing the CWE.. Swim is used to taking opiates for pain every damn day though. His first few were the best and after that it was not as good.. He thinks maybe if he only does this on occasion with a larger dose it will feel good, but on an everyday basis not so much..

[Tortoise]

Swim agrees.. He used about 70+ vicodin over about 2-3 days doing the CWE.. Swim is used to taking opiates for pain every damn day though. His first few were the best and after that it was not as good.. He thinks maybe if he only does this on occasion with a larger dose it will feel good, but on an everyday basis not so much..

That's very true. You will always enjoy opiates more after a period of abstinence. Plus, you'll be able to use less to get high, so your supply will go further. Abstinence isn't easy though....

[joh1200]

Swim has a bottle of generic tablets (325mg acetaminophen, 8mg Codeine, and also some caffeine {which swim is not worried about})

Swim's said that they have seen different ways to do the CWE and they want to know: for the first step, do you dissolve the crushed pills in warm or cold water? As stated before, why dissolve in warm water when the acetaminophen is not as soluble in cold water and the codeine is.

Swim just wants to know the BEST technique.

[oxyaddict420]

for the first step, do you dissolve the crushed pills in warm or cold water? As stated before, why dissolve in warm water when the acetaminophen is not as soluble in cold water and the codeine is.
Swim just wants to know the BEST technique.

Swims opinion is that the crushed pills dissolve alot faster in the warm water, thus speeding up the process.. Then Swim still has to put the mixture into the fridge or freezer.(Swim does not reccomend using the freezer unless in a real hurry) Using the fridge until it is as cold as it can possibly get is the best Swim has found.(takes about 30-40 min. depending on fridge setting)

BEST OF LUCK:thumbsup:

[Mint boi]

Warmish water, but NOT boiling, or too hot, just incase the heat destroys some of the codeine!

[oxyaddict420]

Correct.. Swim found that luke warm water woked just fine after crushing the pills to an almost fine powder in a baggy then dumping into a saucer and mixing in the luke warm water.. Swim stirred until no chunks and then put into the fridge for about 35-40mintues or until completly cold as it will get..

Swim also advises against using the freezer unless in a huge rush.. Swiy can do this to try and speen it up, but end up freezing it too much and then it will actually slow everything down at that point.. Also Swim did this only one time and it got him about half the liquid when using the fridge..

PATIENCE IS THE KEY!

[outriderx]

but on the other hand, if SWIY lives in a country where he gets the codein + x OTC for cheap, i advise using the freezer, since less codein comes out (like SWIY said) but also close to none PCM, and the loss of a lil codein doesnt really matter (if SWIY has cheap access to it).
SWIM always tastes the pcm / gets a different body feeling of it, its the same as PCM only (+the effects of codeine, of course). its not really a "feeling" (as in effects) but somehow he notices that he took PCM. He also notices it when using CWE, sometimes more, sometimes less, and sometimes close to not at all (when using the freezer method)

[oxyaddict420]

Kudos to OTC codiene.. As for USA they do not have it OTC and every drip of narcotic that is CWE is precious to them.. But Swim Sees Swiy point about that.. Especially when so cheap and available..

[outriderx]

they dont anymore? i remember 2 (or so) years ago it used to be legal (in combo with pcm)

[oxyaddict420]

Trust Swim on this one.. They DO NOT sell codeine OTC in the USA.. If anyone can please prove Swim wrong, Swim would be so glad to be corrected. Plus could they also specify how and where?

[outriderx]

no, i just remember erowid sayin it was OTC, when i used to live there 2 years ago. (i was livin in washington state, but it didnt say anything state specific, it seemed like a statement about the us in general, i dont know enough about us laws in that concern)

[Tortoise]

I'm pretty sure that codeine has such a high solubility in water that there is virtually no extra loss with a close to freezing CWE compared to a fridge temperature CWE.

[joh1200]

Swim followed "Abrad's" directions to the CWE process and Swim found that it worked perfectly.

Swim said the amount of time the CWE process took was about an hour when extracting 17 tabs with 325mg acetaminophen, 15mg caffeine, and 8mg codeine.

[madmatt3d]

Swim had a period of taking 5000 mg of paracetamol. Swim remembers doing this 3 nights in a row.Should swim be thankful for his life? lol wow. The things youth can do too you...

[Bikelbees]

Its not as bad as all that, apparently you can consider 10g to be a toxic dose in a day. Possibly put a strain on your system there, best avoided but you shouldn't have lasting effects.

[oxyaddict420]

Swim is doing a CWe on 8 of the 7.5mg hydrocodone and 750mg tylenol.. He is filtering it right now after drinking about 15oz of ruby red GJ.. He will let Swiy know how it goes.

[pedosintalgon]

SWIM's definitive CWE method:

He starts with about 80-100 ml of 35-45 degrees C wather and, 4 ml for every pill used. He crushes the pills between two tablespoons as it takes about 20 mins for them to disolve to a pouder in wather. After there are no large solids in the solution he places it in a freezer for about 20 mins, until it reaches about 4-5 degrees. He then places 3 pre-wet cofee filters in 3 respective plastic cups, pouring the solution in each of them but leaving all the decanted white stuff in the main cup for a second extraction with cold wather. He finds using 3 independent filters faster than a single one as they don't clog as much (yet there is less of a push from the wather above). He then starts filtering all the content remaining in the main glass. Filters with alot of white sludge in them are squized thoroughly in another filter as the stuff that comes out when you squiz is very cloudy. This passes thru the second filter much faster then if it where in the sludge and waste is also decreased.
Whole process takes about 1 hour, just thout I'd post it.

[outriderx]

yeah, thats a good manual, i can also refer to the one in my signature for that, its pretty much the same

[MW]

SWIM's definitive CWE method:

He starts with about 80-100 ml of 35-45 degrees C wather and, 4 ml for every pill used. He crushes the pills between two tablespoons as it takes about 20 mins for them to disolve to a pouder in wather. After there are no large solids in the solution he places it in a freezer for about 20 mins, until it reaches about 4-5 degrees. He then places 3 pre-wet cofee filters in 3 respective plastic cups, pouring the solution in each of them but leaving all the decanted white stuff in the main cup for a second extraction with cold wather. He finds using 3 independent filters faster than a single one as they don't clog as much (yet there is less of a push from the wather above). He then starts filtering all the content remaining in the main glass. Filters with alot of white sludge in them are squized thoroughly in another filter as the stuff that comes out when you squiz is very cloudy. This passes thru the second filter much faster then if it where in the sludge and waste is also decreased.
Whole process takes about 1 hour, just thout I'd post it.

Hey this is exactly what SWIM does -- pretty much the exact same except he doesn't take temperatures, he just uses the hottest tap water possible, and makes sure the container/liquid feels cold before taking it out of hte freezer.

Some people are saying it takes an hour alone for filtration and that is just silly! that's way too long, if you distribute it across three cups as SWIY mentioned about it speeds up the process a lot quicker because the filters clog up very easily. One they have clogged, you can squeeze them through a new filter to speed up the process.

[outriderx]

yea, in SWIMs oopinion, by splitting up (but not redoing filtering) the filtering, or even without, i takes about 5-10 minutes apart from the cooling-time in the fridge. one should not go for too hot tap water and should make sure its "really" cold (for SWIY fingers..)

[MW]

SWIM accidentally let it freeze a tiny bit around the edges, but it melted as it sat outside of the freezer, swim doesn't think it's a problem if that happens but he's not 100% sure.

[outriderx]

no its not, its just that sometimes when this happens there might also be some be frozen on the bottom of the glass which SWIY wouldnt see and there might be some codeine "stuck", but if everything is liquid after a few seconds out of the fridge, SWIY is perfectly fine, i would even say "perfect"

[MW]

When SWIM removes the mixture from the freezer there is a clear seperation between the water and the apap -- it is SWIM's understanding that all the caffeine / apap should be in the water and the settled material at the bottom is only apap?

Swim heard somewhere else that some people just drink the clear liquid with a straw at this point while avoiding the white substances on the bottom, he is not sure if this is true.

MW added 41 Minutes and 1 Seconds later...

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Speedy Cold Water Extration Technique

This is a quick and easy way to do the CWE, lots of other guides take the long way out and makes it seem a bit harder than it actually is. This is intended to be a brief explanation, will not go into very detailed chemistry etc... you can do that research on your own.

Before we start here's a SIMPLIFIED overview --

GOAL: Remove acetaminophen (APAP) from pills containing opiates (ie: tylenol 1,2,3,4)
HOW: Dissolve pills in water, strain it through a filter

Now here's how SWIM has done it:

(this guide does not explain how to calculate dosage etc)

1) Crush Pills into a fine powder while minimizing powder loss.

SWIM basically puts pills into a thick ziplock bag, and puts that inside another ziplock bag just for extra leakage protection. SWIM uses a sharpening stone (for knives) to crush his pills by rolling / pressing onto them. You can get creative here and do whatever you want, use a brick, use a hammer even, whatever works to crush the pills without puncturing the ziplocks.

2) Dissolve the crushed powder into warm/hot water.

Get hot water from the tap, but not too hot -- in between warm and hot is perfect. Don't use boiling water unless you want to kill it. Put it in a container or bowl with a wide surface area (cools faster) and add the powder you crushed (you can simply cut the corner of the ziplock and pipe it in... easy and no mess. Some stuff sticks to the plastic, but i think it's negligable. The amount of water here should probably be 3/4 of a cup, you can start with that and experiment... it's better to add too much water than too little or it won't filter properly later.

3) Let mixture sit until it becomes room temperature (10-20 mins)

Cooling it too quickly harms it, let it sit for a bit, doesn't have to be 100% room temp, but just let it cool awhile

4) Move the container into the freezer for 20 mins or so

This is where the magic happens, you can remove the container from the freezer when you touch it and it feels cold. In between 20-30 mins should do the trick.

5) Filter the solution through coffee filters to seperate the liquid containing the opiate (and caffeine if you're using tylenol) from the APAP

We want to filter this as quick as possible, so get three seperate cups or jars and fit them with a pre-wet coffee filter, use a rubber band if necessary to hold the filter in place and to stop it from falling into the cup.

Distribute the solution you just took from the freezer across the three cups, now you are basically filtering at 3 times the speed.

6) When it looks like it's not dripping anymore you can squeeze the contents in the filters through a 4th coffee filter to get any remaining moisture out... don't spill any of the residue into the liquid solution though. What you are left with after filtering is marshmellow like substance but it's more dense.

At this point some people add a little water to the marshmellow residue and re-filter it, but i dont think it's necessary... it's time to consume.

7) You now have a solution with most (if not all) of the APAP removed. It is extremely bitter so drink it with something sweet.... and i mean REALLY sweet. People pick up Kool Aid packages for this. I am going to try Purple Kool Aid + Tonic Water, it should work well. Apparently Tonic Water contains an ingredient called "Quinine" (sp?) that potentiates codeine. Note that grapefruit juice is reported to actually slow the absorbtion and be conteractive to codeine (but it works for other opiates apparently). Also some people take 25-75mg of benadryl (diphenhydramine) as a potentiator and to reduce itchies. They also chew a couple medium strength TUMS antacid. I don't know the explaination -- do your own research.

Anyways, enjoy and be safe. If this looks too long to read just read the Numbered paragraps to get the condensed version.

[outriderx]

thanks for that fella! keep up the good work ;) btw since SWIY seems to know some about opiate potentiation, we desperatley need someone who is willing to go through the potentiating thread and make a faq out of it or a summary..

here SWIY goes: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=387713#Fast_CWE-Technique_(5_Minutes) (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=387713#Fast_CWE-Technique_%285_Minutes%29)

[MW]

I might later, not sure yet... probably will look into potentiation... SWIM is having problems getting euphoric feelings from it... he gets tranquility but not euphoria.

SWIM found that the purple koolaid and tonic water + solution he was actually able to make a drink he LIKED. It took 4.5L worth of koolaid powder in roughly 500ML of liquid but it actually was drinkable .. tasted slightly bitter like some alcoholic drinks.

3 Packets of purple koolaid
+
CWE solution (roughly 1/2 - 3/4 cups)
+
fill till 500ML of Tonic Water

yummy, drink with a straw if you don't want to get lips purple.

http://i29.tinypic.com/npjog7.jpg

[outriderx]

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10884 that would be the thread for it. SWIM would also start soon but doesnt have enough experiences with that and doesnt want to do it all alone (which the person who does it will prolly end up doing, except for maybe 1-2 ppl helping)

[MW]

SWIM's dose today was:

50 mg of benadryl
2 extra strength tums
unknown amount of Quinine in the tonic water
320mg codeine, 600 mg caffeine

SWIM would like to note that 50 mg of benadryl completely eliminated the itchy feeling... he has absolutely none.

SWIM feels pretty damn good :) not euphoric, but good... swim has a "groove box" for triggering samples like drums, claps, kicks, snares, etc etc... and swim was freestyling over music playing and was a lot looser and playing very naturally, probably because he is much more relaxed. swim is already @ 320 mg of codeine and it's nothing lol... natural tolerance swim guesses. (he's only used opiates less than 10 times).

MW added 20 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

EDIT:

Just a funny observation that "Someone who IS me" also shares the same acronym lol...

SIWM - Someone I won't mention? http://i32.tinypic.com/9fwha1.gif

[outriderx]

maybe post that in the SWIM post in my signature, but like my signature says, for me its someone i met, not me.. ;)

[MW]

Done .

[buckfoston824]

so swim has 4 5/500 hydrocodone vicodins.

swim wants to perform a CWE on this and the only thing he needs to know is how much water he should use for the pills he has?

[outriderx]

"One gram dissolves in 16 ml water, in 150 g 95% ethanol. Almost insoluble in ether, chloroform."

apap: " Solubility in water 0.1-0.5 g/100 mL at 22 C mg/mL (20 °C)"

if SWIM would do it, he would take more water, since this is under optimal conditions. he would prolly even go for half a glass, or one glass, for best results.
(see the cwe faq in my sig)

[andywhite]

Hi guys am new to this sort of thing but i need to do cold extraction as i have run out of my tablets off the doctor due to putting my script in to late and have to wait 48 bloody hours i start to feel bad when this happens more so if am waiting for a good few days as am coming down, i take 30/Mg cocodamol every day for my broken back is that per each tablet as i need to no how many 8/Mg tablets to extract to get my normal dose please if you can help me this would be good?

[daneford]

swim is confused. If swim does CWE to five T3's (30mg codeine + tylonol), would he get 150mg of pure codeine? or will it be less?

[Tortoise]

It would be less. Swiy would be bound to lose some codeine in the process.

[daneford]

how many T3s would swim have to CWE to have a good time? five, ten?

[noreason41]

Swim broke up 16 pills of 9.5mg Codeine and 500mg Paracetamol and 5mg Phenylephrine. After filtering afew times, the solution is still a little milky...

However, swim can't be stuffed to keep filtering, and is about to drink it....what are the chances it is still majority paracetamol?

[oxyaddict420]

Swiy probably got rid of alot of the tylenol but never all of it. The more Swiy filters the better the yeild. Best of luck

[noreason41]

What swim is really wondering ... still ... is:

is it safe to drink?

The solution is cloudy, but swim is fairly sure he got a good chunk of it out (the sediment at the bottom) ... but it is still fairly cloudy.

[meaculpa]

swim would like to know which british brands of co-codamol are good for CWE? would boots own brand be good? 8/500g. swim currently necks 12 pills per day [in one go] so 96mg codeine 6000mgs para. swim knows this is dangerous but used to take 30 pills per day so has cut down. and wants to try CWE for safety. how many 8/500mg pills should swim use in CWE to acheive same effects as necking 12 pills? how much codeine is lost in the process? also can swim buy pill crusher from chemist/pharmacist?

[flipper70]

Theres alot of posts on here about CWE and swim has read them all! She is still a bit confused though - tried it and it didnt work not sure why. Dont mean to bore all swiys but basically swim used 12 nurofen+ in small glass crushed up - added 40ml warm water ( swim wasnt sure 24ml would be enough to dissolve codeine) dissolved and put in freezer for 10 mins till cold. then swim put two coffee filters over a glass and tipped in the mixture ( rinsed glass with a little cold water to get all mitture out? ) and waited half hour. then swim squeezed filter till mixture inside was dry ish.the liquid was cloudy and tasted bitter ( as i think it should) but swim got no high at all. wondering where she went wrong? Is it coz its ibuprofen? swim is on citalopram which does block codeine sometimes, but if swim takes the whole tablet ( say 6 n+) she gets a slight high, needs to up dosage coz of citalopram but cant take more coz of the crap so she needs to cwe. can any swiys tell her why its not working?:confused:

flipper70 added 3 Minutes and 8 Seconds later...

swim forgot to ask also can you cwe effervescent tablets??

[RoboCodeine7610]

SWIM was going to write the opioid potentiation FAQ that SWIOtridex wanted but for some reason swim is denied access to do so.Every time he clicks on "start a new article" this page pops up:RoboCodeine7610, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: 1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system? 2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation. Could anybody clarify this?

[WeedGuru]

Swim was wondering if these methods work for liquid codeine thats in perscription cough syrup? and if not how would swim extract it from the syrup?


Thanks for any advice!

[daneford]

if swim CWEs 10 T3 pills, how many ml of final liquid would be a good dose? Swim has taken 5 T3 pills throughout a night and was never too fucked *shrug*

[flipper70]

Sorry if swim is repeating but couldnt find this info in threads swim read! During CWE, when the cold solution comes out of freezer the glup is settled on the bottom. Swims question is when swiys pour this into the filter, do they stir it up again first? or just pour the top solution in then scrape out the glup? And does it matter??!! Also can anyswiy tell me if you can CWE soluble tablets ( got effervescent 30mg codeine 500mg para ) Would appreciate help:)

[meaculpa]

swim just pours solution through filter leaving sludge behind, she then adds a small amout of water to sluge, re-chills and filters, to ensure as much codeine as poss is extracted. swim isn`t sure about CWE on effervescent pills as she has never tried this herself, however swim thinks she read somewhere that they are not good for CWE :)

[flipper70]

Thanks for that! Just another quick question - when swiy adds water to sludge does swiy add warm water and chill again? Or just more cold? Thanks x

[meaculpa]

yep, that`s exactly how swim does it, warm water then re-chill :thumbsup: swim read that this is a good way of getting as much codeine as poss :)

[frantastic]

my mate wants to know if there is any limit on the time you can keep the 'codeine water' for. she extracted 100 8/500 tablets this morning, and still has half the solution left. how long can she keep it for? cheers

[frantastic]

Any thoughts on how someone might extract codeine from effervescentPara preparations? It seems like all ingredients dissolve but I that may work out to be a plus.
I'm a newbie here so please forgive me if these subject has been discussed. I did a quick search and didn't see it.

mbu37

Swim would not recommend using effervescent tablets. swim tried this, dissolving the tablets in a bottle with warmish water, and ended up having a huge explosion in her mothers kitchen. she lost shitloads in the process, and when it came to drinking the solution, it tasted like shit! :eek: (no, seriously, more then usual) it was DISGUSTING.

swim found it was just a huge pain in the arse from beginning to end, and would not recommend it at all.

:thumbsdown:

frantastic added 4 Minutes and 23 Seconds later...

Sorry if swim is repeating but couldnt find this info in threads swim read! During CWE, when the cold solution comes out of freezer the glup is settled on the bottom. Swims question is when swiys pour this into the filter, do they stir it up again first? or just pour the top solution in then scrape out the glup? And does it matter??!! Also can anyswiy tell me if you can CWE soluble tablets ( got effervescent 30mg codeine 500mg para ) Would appreciate help:)


as swim said in above post, it can be done but is a huge pain in the arse. if you are going to do it, make sure you use a big tub or whatever to dissolve them in cos they fizz up like hell and it can overflow. just to warn you though, it tastes like shit :eek:

hope this helps

[pankreeas]

Swim is curious as to the maximum dosage of codeine swiy has taken? Swim's tolerance is at 110 x 8mg pills which is roughly 900mg of codeine and 1.8 grams of caffeine in 1 pop. This level of tolerance has been brewing for roughly 8 years of slowly upping dosage. This also has swim wondering about the so called ceiling for codeine said to be at 400mg. Although swim has heard of people takin upwards of 580 mg, swim had never heard of anyone takin the dosages he is. He takes this dose once a day and usually takes a week off to drop it down to like 500mg. Although even after a month off he still needs over 500 to feel anything.

[oldbulllee]

i really need a reply on this people!
swim has found a source of codeine (the only one OTC in serbia),but it is a compound tablet, containing paracetamol, caffeine, and PRORYPHENAZON. now,swim takes care of paracetamol and he doesn't care of caffeine.but how can he get propyphenazone out?is it possible for someone who knows how to CWE, but nothing more ?

[tryptamaster]

swim allows temp to cool to a minimum of 10 celcius and if it was left standing still u can basically see all the apap at the bottom of the glass. swim has recently jsut been basically pouring off the cloudy liquid and stopping early to avoid any of the settled apap from going into the mix. does anyone know if this is safe? wat percent of apap should fall to the bottom at udner 10 celcius?

[meaculpa]

swim doesn`t know temperature as she just sticks it in the freezer until very cold. she then filters solution leaving sludge behind. she then does the whole process again with sludge i.e adds small amount of warm water to sludge, stirs it then sticks it if freezer then filters again. then filters first and second passes a third time before consuming.

[drguildo]

SWIM found a video guide to CWE (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bMSy4i7Fp-c) on YouTube and thought somebody might find it useful. He thought about posting it to the video section but couldn't figure out how. It might also be worth adding to the CWE guide on the wiki.

[chillinwill]

SWIM found a video guide to CWE (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bMSy4i7Fp-c) on YouTube and thought somebody might find it useful. He thought about posting it to the video section but couldn't figure out how. It might also be worth adding to the CWE guide on the wiki.

To post a video in the archive, go to quick links at the top right of your screen and then click add video under the file archive section

[drguildo]

To post a video in the archive, go to quick links at the top right of your screen and then click add video under the file archive sectionWorked a treat. Thanks.

[Julian_Swayze]

Hi folks,

Swim wanted to share his most awesome codeine CWE method. Before beggining I must say that swim has a high tolerance to opiates so if swiy is new to CWE I would suggest using a much smaller dosage. Please do not be put off by the length of this post, as it might look long winded, but it's very easy to do.

Swim just went to his local chemist and purchased 32 tabs of Nurofen+, each tab contains 12.8mg of codeine. Then swim grabbed a ladies stocking from girlfriends sock draw. Below is a step by step guide of what to do and what swiy needs.

Swiy will need the following equipment to carry out this method. 1 woman's stocking, 2 glasses or cups whatever. Tablets that contain codeine such as nurofen+ (swim is from UK so he is not familiar with other country's over the counter codeine products). A fridge and a spoon(for stirring).

Swim used 32 tabs of Nurofen+(but like swim said, he has a high tolerence to opiates) so go easy if swiy is a novice.

1. Take 1 glass or cup and quater fill wi