hooked on the needle [Archive]

larak

08-04-2005, 07:42

Hi there. This is my first forum ever. I am a MSc student in the field of addictions and are wanting next year to do my PHD on needle fixation. I personally have been able to get opiate dependent friends into at least three days of withdrawal, yet some of them can not get over the want for the fit and will jump out of my window and inject water, ect. I have searched all available literture on this and have been unable to come up with any answers for this. Any experiences or answers would be much apprieciated. Thank you. Stay safe.

motorhead

09-04-2005, 08:16

Wow,a potential phd student with iv using friends, cool. fuck the literature, write your own. Sounds like u have your thesis right there before your eyes. The books dont have the answers to the questions you seek, i think your friends do. I think you are asking the reason why people are addicted to shit, not just the reason why people are addicted tothe spike.

Addiction is a ritual, addiction is a substitution for lust, addiction is a noose, addiction can sometimes be a whore, sometimes i can be a whore, addiction is the absence of everything you could possibly be. Stay safe?? Its easier not to be.

lolomgwtfbbq

09-04-2005, 21:19

I guess it's just the addiction to the general situation.

I know people who are recovered addicts & they all pick up new
things to do. One person I know makes necklaces and she sneaks out to
the craft store & buys beads and hides them from her husband
because she got so used to that behavior when she was using.

When I quit smoking for a while, I would always notice myself 'packing'
random things that were even slightly rectangular shaped and holding
pens/pencils just like cigarettes and sucking on them just like I was
smoking.

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dartboard

10-04-2005, 01:45

Can't offer any shocking revelations as to why IV users are so attached to the needle, but can confirm that you are correct in your observations. Of course I wouldn't be caught with a rig in my possession, as they are illegal to have empty or full of the best Nazi dope the midwest has to offer. But SWIM can confirm that the attraction the the whole damn procedure is addictive. SWIM has been know to smoke a little maintenance hit and set of a rig with H2O to do at the same time.

Just like Motorhead said "Addiction is a ritual, addiction is a substitution for lust.........". If you think you kmay know the qustions to ask that will wake my sleeping vocabulary, feel free to contact me and I'll be happy to try and help you out.

dartboard

LostInSpace

10-04-2005, 08:25

Well, before I cleaned up, the needle was my everything.

I don't care no how no way what anyone says, there is no way to get
blasted out of your freakin' mind than with a rig.

There is no way to explain it, and junkies can't even talk about it, but
it's an unspoken demon, a friend, a lover, and only the junkie knows it
by name, and in spirit only.

There is no book, no spoken word, nor written on stone, paper, nor
otherwise that will ever explain the feeling of the rig about 2-5
seconds after the plunger has hit bottom.

I rest my case, as I have no case, and no one but God will ever
explain it to any degree of human understanding.

Lost

Inkmanr6

16-04-2005, 22:48

I injected for the first time ever a couple weeks ago. I Have to fight not to go out and get it again. That stuff is insane when you inject. I had snorted H many times before...needle made it like 10x as addictive for me. I'm off of everything now though http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif

Creeping Death

16-04-2005, 23:44

It's really hard to explain. The heaviest stuff ive ever injected is morphine, and i still fell in love with the whole "ritual". I like to inject even though ive never felt the pleasure of heroin.

I guess its some type of fantasy of "harming yourself to get to a better place", instead of just being harmed without anything in return (i.e normal life). I dont know, havent thought much about it.

dillydude

20-04-2005, 20:22

I started I.V.'nDiluadid bout 16 or 17 months ago, it started slowly at first , then as of thhis past Feb. / 05 I was heavily into eveything. I've gotten to the point of shootin water as a substitute when I was out of shit to bang. I was bangin any kind of morphine based pill I could get my hands on, plus crack, cocaine in the powder form, and even special "K" . . Finally I got sick and tired of being sick and tired, and threw in the towel.

There no info that you'll get out of books or web pages, but you'll probably get the best info from your friends.

I will gladly answer any questions that you might have.

alchemyescape

16-06-2005, 10:18

is anyone else here hooked on booting? even if i don't have any H or
code or oxy's i'll sometimes just shoot up water. since i started
shooting i dont sniff. when i get shit i used to do a little at my
guy's house, but now i just wait until im with my works. anyone else in
love with the rush?

motorhead

17-06-2005, 01:45

MMMM i am an IV user and i certainly enjoy the needle and all. Now that i mainline i never snort if there is a choice. Well not coke anymore unless i happen to come across some pure stuff, because the cut in blow is unreal around here and makes me nervous now. Anyway ive read lots of posts about people shooting water when out of dope and heard about it plenty before, but it is something i never do. I think it will be an obvious signal that im super hooked and i dont want that to happen. I messed up with crack in the past and i dont want to go down that road with opies. I think i can understand why people do it however as shooting up is a wonderful ritual that can be addictive in itself. The excitement of rigging up can be a rush all its own.

miffy

19-06-2005, 00:59

I wouldn't hit water, but I've got mates who have done things like
that. . . and, it has to be said I do prefer hitting to smoking /
snorting etc. I won't hit pills, etc that are meant to be
ingested in other ways, bit I have hit crack in the past. . .

BTW - in the UK, we say 'booting' to mean smoking off foil. . if anyone's interested!

Edited by: miffy

unico_walker

19-06-2005, 02:29

Weird I always heard booting to mean sticking it where the sun don't shine into absorbant, absorbant mucus membranes.

amd6568

19-06-2005, 05:10

Man, SWIM just can't see how people can shoot up, just not his thing I guess. SWIM gets a strong nervous laugh just by touching SWIM's vein above his elbow. Guess SWIM is scared of doing it. Not sure if SWIM will ever feel the rush of shoting, but hope it is worth it.

Gargalos

26-06-2005, 14:38

Shooting is worth it for some. SWIM's shot ice and speed before, love the taste in the back of the mouth and the rush of almost auditory quality when you find nice stuff http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif.

Don't do it though. I'd try and talk anyone out of it that wanted to try it. Since I've done it, I've always been responsible, clean and safe. I know far too many people that aren't though, and are hooked just on the feeling of the needle piercing their skin, which I find most disturbingly disgusting. I can understand all to well, but I set myself limits which I reamain faithful to. I just wouldn't feel right encouraging anyone to try it in that method. I'd hate to see them later on, lost on a path they might have avoided. (I mean this for the more selfish reason that I would feel bad that it was me who did it too, and I don't like to feel bad like that http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif.

Tuffynuff

02-08-2005, 01:55

Alchemyescape, I agree, the needle itself is part of the addiction. The ritual of mixing, tying off and finally inserting the needle is all part of the final climax. Kind of like forplay. Slowly building until the ultimate rush. My boyfriend and I used to hit cocaine mixed with rum or vodka instead of water sometimes. Just for a little variety.

It's the same thing with crack, especially if you cook your own; and any other drugs that require some kind of preperation. This whole "preperation period" in itself becomes addicting. Part of the "ritual" Part of the whole drug experience.

But I agree, there is nothing quite like the needle. This part of the forum is about addiction and recovery so I will add this. The boyfriend I spoke of is now dead (suicide) and I have been clean since the day he killed himself seven years ago. Why am I here? I'm not sure. I think it's because I find the whole drug world very interesting. Peoples thoughts, drug experiences (good or bad)tragedies, triumphsand recovery stories are highly interesting to me and each one is unique. So, for all of you that are still using...be safe andfor all of you in recovery.....the best of luck to you.

Cure20

02-08-2005, 10:01

dillydude

08-08-2005, 17:24

I've been into the shooting quite heavy,up until this past Feb.

I used to shoot anything I could get my hands on, opiate based pills dilaudid,oxycontin, morphine sulphate, morphine, and even tried a perc once. Also I've shot heroin, coke, crack, special K, sleeping pills,benzos,and one more opiate based pill I've forgot to mention was.demerol. Even steroids ( I.M. ) too.

I also shot waterat the times when I could'nt find anything else to shoot.

I was super hooked on the rig. Got clean back in Feb. had a few relapses, the went completely straight for the months of April, May, and June, almost all of April anyway.In total I've acquired around 70 plus days without even smoking weed or drinkng , completely straight.

Now I can sit and knowingly think about how it used to be,( scared of withdrawils) ,and even say to myself if I don't get stoned today it's not a big deal. And just recently instead of banging pills, I've snorted and eatin them on a few occasions .

So in my opinion there can be a mental (with a forced physical) addiction to the needle.

Also it can become easily a ritual that makes you feel good, and feeling good is fun.Edited by: dillydude

sterckxke

08-08-2005, 17:30

What do you mean by the taste in the back of your mouth?

Thts omething specific with every substance u shoot, know what hes talking about when u do you're first shot.
Its like u taste something thats isn't there...

dillydude

08-08-2005, 17:35

When you shoot cocaine or crack, (IMO) you get a signifagant taste in the back of your mouth, it's like putting a little dab of coke on the back of your tounge.

old hippie 56

18-08-2005, 03:35

Just to read these posts has made my arms itch and that funny feeling you get while you are rigging up. Hadn't shot in a while but I can still remember my first time. The rush, the god awful taste on the back of your tongue, and the ringing of the bells in your head. Hell, I can remember shooting dope better than I can remember my first sexual encounter. If you do shoot, be clean, and know your drug.

VincentVan

18-08-2005, 23:28

I must admit that part of the kick of the vice for me was (is?) to watch my blood drawn into the syringe slowly mixing with the magical substance before getting pushed back into the waiting ,swollen vein.

Still, shooting water seems a very poor substitute and pretty silly too (I hope you boil the water at least). I guess you are just getting aquainted with the voluptuary use of hypodhermic needles, or you would save your veins for the real thing. Do you also smoke banana´s peel?

" I had realised before now that it is only a clumsy and erroneus form of perception which places everything in the object, when really everything is in the mind. "

Marcel Proust - from " In search of lost time" vol. VI, "Time regained"

Gargalos

21-08-2005, 10:26

Shooting is worth it for some. SWIM's shot ice and speed before,
love the taste in the back of the mouth and the rush of almost auditory
quality when you find nice stuff http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif.

What do you mean by the taste in the back of your mouth?

When you take a large hit of whizz in a mainline, enough to make you
puke your ring out, you will feel the drug rush through your brain and
down your body as your heart pumps it through you. I generally hold my
arm up higher then my head to convince myself that more is going to my
brain (sometimes I lay down to make my head the lowest part of my body
for the same reason). It also gives you a taste of chemicals and blood
in the back of your mouth. Thats what it tastes like to me and my mates
anyway. It could just be one of those mind games though... http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gifhttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

heroin_ed

05-01-2008, 11:34

SWIM is glad to know he's not the only one who has an "addiction" to the rig. He started back last feb and did it for 6 weeks straight, stopped for 5 months and started up again. SWIY is right, it's like foreplay to the rush. SWIM's favorite part is sticking the needle in, pulling the plunger and watching blood come into the barrel to confirm that the needle is in a vein, then pushing on the plunger and counting to eight and BAM it hits him.

heroin_ed

05-01-2008, 11:35

But then again that's probably everybody's favorite part :)

BumpBump

08-01-2008, 00:48

needle fixation swim thinks its called?

Heavy_Z

12-01-2008, 14:52

Shooting is the only way to use some drugs in SWIM's opinion. Why the hell would you take anything other than the biggest rush when taking drugs that are all about the rush. That said SWIM does not have a needle fixation. SWIM considers it nothing more than a tool for getting high. The one thing that SWIM hates though is the stigma that needles get. They are perfectly safe if used responsibly.

OpiateWarrior

09-02-2008, 02:04

Shit swim has been hooked on the pin for 15yrs or more, and can only find a vein after hours of digging around. He used to have two superb veins on his neck, but he's killed them both now. Also that was a stress if he was alone, needing friends to digg you up is ok if you ave gear for them to share but without, who wants to come round just to digg you up? Also legs were ok but now gear cut with mannitol ruined his injection sites. When in public I find myself looking at peoples arms and their veins, even being jealous off good veins to digg in! now mine are F-ed! crazy to normal people, I know. Thinking back to coke diggs, so high, sweating, jaw swinging, and needing something to do with swims hands. Also rushing and craving more, god just talking about it brings guts tightening and watering mouth. H was the biggest demon in the barrel for swim, shit he doesn't wanna go back to that. Even now getting clean, he's thinking about the needles he has hidden, and whether there is any old filters to use? Shit must stop thinking that! He can't even get a digg anymore, well without a lot of pain and suffering to find a vein. I wish I hadn't visited this thread, and the deep feeling of it all. When swim is clean of methadone, then he can think about a coke digg.
Swim never dug water although he's watched his mates when its dry, too silly to waste a digg site for him. Got to stop, sorry! Please add your ''addiction recovery stories'' to my thread, titled under the same name.

Dellzx

15-03-2008, 08:48

SWIM was only stuck on the rig for 7 months. Only thing SWIM shot up was Phosphorous Meth and the only reason he was doing that is becuz he moved in with his uncle and he made it.

For the first 2 months all he did was smoke it and do hot rail (Heat up a end of a GP and put a line out and snort through the pipe and it comes out as a big ass cloud of smoke and a hell of a rush). But after a while SWIM wanted to try to shot it up one time so hes uncle gave him a shot. It was about a 1/4 g and that is a lot for any ones first time. SWIM dont remember much after that. SWIM finally came to the next day. Hes uncle was telling him all the stuff he was doing and he couldn`t remember nothin after that shot.

For the 7 months he hardly never touched a GP again. By time it was all said and done SWIM was doing 1 g shots every time 6-7 times a day. We was cooking faster than we could sell it or do it. I think them 7 months was the best time in my whole life. I learned how to make stuff most people havn't heard of since the 70's and 80's and SWIM was only 18 at the time.

And the thing they was talking about the taste in back of your throat when SWIM got it it felt like a burning in back of my throat but it was a good feeling burn. And if i didnt get that burning i know i didnt do a big enough shot. And all that stuff yall was saying about getting the shots up is like a high in its self SWIM would have to disagree. I hated making my shots up. I would all was bend my needles cuz i was shaking and i would get mad when it was to think and i couldn`t suck it up. I never like puting much water in my shots. I would all way put the min just enough to dissolve the dope.

I think every one should try to shot up at least once in there life time. If your going to do drugs you should do it to the limit then stop. Im not sayin get addicted to it im just saying do it once. For SWIM he went to sleep one day and woke up 2 days laters and decided to quite and never touch it again. Will i tryed some adderall the other day but wasn`t worth sticking my self. But if you do try it be with a friend that doesn`t do it and doesn`t want to do it. Becuz having some one there to tell you not to do it again really does help.

Dammaged

16-03-2008, 22:07

I don't know if Hooked to the needle.....described my problem.....IV user yes, hard-core yes (Can't fix it...F*ck it user)...as far as my passion for a rig.....even the color of the orange needle guard triggered a craving when I was trying to quit if I saw it somewhere like a poster/ad/TV lol anywhere.......but, I never hit water for the sake of using a fit..

Rehab Quitter

16-05-2008, 00:32

swim and his friend are just having a genral conversation when swims friend mentioned a new concept towards heroin addiction which swim never considered (could be any drug i suppose) where the addict isnt nececcerly the hit or the effects you would be addicted to but the needle injection its self is this bear any truth

moda00

16-05-2008, 04:37

Yes, absolutely. Swim and others she knows have done this, and it has been shown that in experiments where opiate dependent individuals are shown images of syringes or other paraphernalia that the changes in the brain are similar to those that occur when IV'ing heroin. Swim finds that when she had done that with water or a "rinse shot" (which was unlikely to have a significant amount of heroin in if any) she would get a rush and some satisfaction from it, the act of shooting up, and that the rush came during the needle and pull-back part, not necessarily after the substance (water) was injected. It is definitely significant and occurs probably more frequently than one might guess.
This has also been discussed here:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9400
via searching "needle fixation"

enquirewithin

16-05-2008, 06:26

"Needle fixation" is certainly a real enough phenomenon. One of SWIM's acquaintances, along while ago, was known to have IVed wine in desperation ( a very bad idea, BTW).

HeyCrazy!

18-05-2008, 17:58

definatly, when SWIM went through wd's she poked herself with a sewing needle a few times.

Voyager

29-05-2008, 15:16

Yes, needle fixation is the real thing. I used to have it after using amphetamines IV for 3 weeks.
My brains was constantly thinking about the needle, sirynge, needle punching trough the skin entering my vein, etc..
It's a real fixation, yes. Luckily it stopped, but still sometimes I get the thoughts of it.

enquirewithin

30-05-2008, 02:30

^ After prolonged use, those thoughts can go on for years afterwards, even getting into your dreams.

manda

01-06-2008, 12:59

I was hooked on it too. Now I'm off I still spend all my time chasing more socially acceptable highs...this starts when I wake up. Begins the next day.
A beer and a bong hit can be a needle to a true addict.
I never thought I'd say this, but abstinence is calling my name, gently. Hope it wins.

nicelymixedup

02-06-2008, 00:07

very inspiring @ motorhead x

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do you have any tips on safe needle use?

enquirewithin

02-06-2008, 02:15

^Safe needle us must be covered in may places on this forum, but If you must use needles, always use new ones, never share needles, use very fine gauge needles to avoid tissue damage, use them once once only if possible, always clean the site of injection before use (using an alcohol swab), keep everything as sterile as possible.

Be accurate. There are many guides on the web, for example:

I.V. drugs can be injected into the veins of the arms and hands. The illustration at right shows commonly used sites.

Locate the vein using a tourniquet.
Insert the catheter [needle] at a slight angle (about 10 degrees).
Release the tourniquet when blood appears in the syringe or tubing.
Slowly inject the drug into the vein.

The crook of the arm is about the easiest place for most.

nicelymixedup

03-06-2008, 16:49

the third day is almost the peak of the withdrawals, its gets considerable worse along 3 to 4 days sometimes longer before it subsides the tiniest bits, i have never jumped out of a window and injected water but i can relate to that, it doesnt seem totally nuts in my world if you understand? i wish i could help more, yeah 3 days is the peak physically and for me pyscologically so maybe that has something to do with it?

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wow some really descriptive mail, some of it made my mouth water...