View Full Version : Help me pick my first REAL drug
Scaredoll
08-05-2005, 15:26
Hi everyone, i'm new here...
I have been smoking weed for over 7 years (i'm 23 years old) and i really want to step it up just one level.
I have had a caffeine trip once (think lots of coffee and lots of
caffeine pills) which was kind of interesting but hurt my stomach like
a bitch afterwards.
I also once tryed some shrooms, but it was a VERY small amount of
scraps that some junkie left at my friends house... i felt nothing
after eating it.
So, i come to you lot for advice... what would you recommend to me? what is the next level after weed?
I did some research, and i think i have narrowed it down to either...
1. Ecstasy
2. LSD
3. Mushrooms
So what shall it be? Nothing to crazy please, im scared enough as it is
as i don't know how i will react to them. I'm aware that everyone is
different, and they can do different things to some people, but i am
ready to take that risk.
Bytemaster
08-05-2005, 15:32
Amphetamin...
go for ecstasy. u wont regret it
Scaredoll
08-05-2005, 15:53
Ok, good choices...
A few issues first though...
I Don't know JACK about Amphetamines, i'm doing a bit of research now though since you brang it up.
Speed is an Amphetamine right? isnt that a bit "GUNG-HO" for my first
drug though? What else is an Ampetamine... nothing perscription based
though, it has to be off the street.
Ecstasy seems popular, but like they say, you never know what your gunna get. I would most likley take the risk though :)
Remember people, don't just recommend YOUR preffered drug, there has to
be some logic behind it, otherwise i will have people telling me to
shoot heroin to my eyelids or some shit :)
Scaredoll
08-05-2005, 15:57
Shit, i forgot...
I have another quick question...
If i have an Ecstasy pill, or a sheet of LSD or anything like that, and
i cut/chop that in half, and only take half... will that lesson the
effects of the drug? or just lesson the time i spend high? or both?
Scaredoll
08-05-2005, 16:37
Ok, i am REALLY leaning towards d-amphetamine (Adderal), it seems perfect and alot more safer than Ecstasy.
Can i get Adderal in the streets? In fact, can i even get it where i live (Australia)?
what other d-amphetamines are the same as Adderal?
Thanks for your help guys, this is great.
Ok, so i'll answer your "quick question" First of all, when you get LSD it will be in a "Tab" not a Sheet. Sheets of acid have (i think) 100 or so hits on them. Dont ask me because i've never delt with LSD.
As for the cutting in half. I'm sure this would work with an E pill, but with LSD as far as i know the amount that it takes to get the desired result is so small that taking the whole tab is the way to do it. As for E sure i think it would work, but again i'm just speculating.
Adderal and E have to be two different highs. I used to be on adderol for ADHD, and all it did (and still does) for me is calm me down. People locally will crush it and blow it, when i do that i just go to sleep. Adderal can be obtained on the streets i'm sure, and the price will vary with your region. Just try to find one of your friends or someone u know who has ADD/ADHD and ask them to sell you some pills.
I believe that Concerta is also a d-amphetamine. The only difference is, the capsil is a time released one, so you would have to crush it to get the time release off.
Muirner
Scaredoll
08-05-2005, 18:04
Thanks for the reply Muirner, i have researched for hours and im really excited about getting this.
It seems like it does not do anything for you (d-amphetamine) but other
stories i have read talk about it like its the 2nd coming of christ.
Different strokes for different folks i guess, guess i will pop 20mg or 40mg and see what happens.
if you've never done "uppers" before then i'd recommend trying speed before trying E. I know people who have tried E as their first drug and it can be pretty overwhelming if yr not prepared.If your gonna try acid then trying shrooms first is also a good idea
lolomgwtfbbq
08-05-2005, 19:09
I wouldn't reccomend LSD as your first drug. Also, with E, keep in mind
that there's a rather large chance you won't end up getting MDMA.
radiometer
08-05-2005, 19:48
I know this is a short answer but out of those three hoices I would choose
MDMA for a first trip. Unless you are of a very intellectual bent, then one
of the two others you listed may be more rewarding.
You may get some mdma though, the chance is always present. The thing you never really can anticipate is what else is in the E, hell their might be speed in the E so you'd be doing both at once. E is a drug u dont know what's in it really, you can check out those sites online that will tell u what they have found in a pill (idk them off hand i dont use them). But know that you can also get a pill that has been crushed, something added and then reformed/pressed.
Slice- when you say try speed. Do u mean meth? I think i'm just confused in this strange kinda stoned state i'm in.
Also for the prasing of the drug like it's the 2nd comming. Even when i sold my pills to people it wasnt that great. They said u get hyper and such for a couple of hours.
Also how do u plan on injesting the d-amphetamine?
Muirner
Pinkavvy
08-05-2005, 19:54
aderall is icky. is you are going to do speed, do meth. however I wouldn't recomend either as your next step from weed. (as speed usually causes a downward spiral.)
If you want a speedy effect, go for ecstacy. it's a euphoric amphetimine.
else, go for something like shrooms. shrooms will take your life to another level, as will lsd.
2c-i is a very simple "toy" physchodelic that is great for a firt trip. so that's another option.
or perhaps try opiates... start small like 10mg of hydrocodone or 10mg of ocycodone. (most popular brand name is ocy-contin.) however, just like speed, opiates can cause a downward spiral.
in My experience I have seen most people who get into speed go down a bad way, whereas only a few I've seen get into opiates do.
antigenesis
08-05-2005, 20:39
Well, shrooms are fun and really safe.
LSD blotter is good cause you know your gonna get LSD but, at least for me, it is really hard to find.
Meth fucks up lives, don't mess with that shit.
Opiates are nice as long as your careful not to get addicted.
I think Ecstacy could be a good choice if you know what your getting (http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.php) (http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.php)
Have fun but watch yourself man...
sands of time
08-05-2005, 20:48
Yea, opiates sound like what you should try next. Hydrocodon (vicodin) is pretty relaxing and they are easy to obtain. 15-20 milligrams is a good starting dose. Don't overdo them though cause they can easily cause addiction.
If you want a good party drug, adderal is good for starters, but these things can keep you up for 8-9 hours. Some people chop them up and snort them to break the time release. This will give you an idea of what to expect with E, but E is much more euphoric and speedy. I wouldn't get into meth. That is a powerful and addicting drug which has a number of unpleasent side effects.
Lsd is hard to find so you might have to wait along time for that.
JuStBLaZe414
08-05-2005, 22:14
ecstasy!!! im telling you just like the majority of the people here, do E, but make sure your w/ people who've done it, and whom you like, have fun,.... i always do
Hyperreal
08-05-2005, 22:23
Ecstasy. Very few people will be dissatisfied with the effects of MDMA.
Sitbcknchill
08-05-2005, 22:54
aderall is icky. is you are going to do speed, do meth. however I wouldn't recomend either as your next step from weed. (as speed usually causes a downward spiral.)
in My experience I have seen most people who get into speed go down a bad way, whereas only a few I've seen get into opiates do.
Pinkavvy is right, methamphetamine will drag you down to the depths of hell in a handbasket my friend, and trust me it's a hard hole to crawl out of...but any drug can really do that to you, the most important thing is self control which is a tad bit easier with opiates than with any form of speed....but remember with all of these other drugs, it's not like weed where you can smoke yourself stupid and not worry about anything. With these drugs self control plays the important role of keeping your ass alive and well...it's not hard to OD off of any of this shit so be carefull, dont overdo it and do a little research about the drugs you want to test out...I'm not going to give you a suggestion on which drug you should start next cause I don't think it's right, but choose the one that is most appealing to you....but be carefull Edited by: sitbcknchill
Scaredoll
09-05-2005, 02:25
Thanks everyone for the reply. My older sister said something to me one day that i won't forget...
"Stay the fuck away from Meth"
So i will agree with most of you.
I was set on Adderal, but most of you seem to be talking it down now,
as if its not even worth the effort, and pumping Ecstasy back up.
Alot of the higher posters are saying opiates now, so i will spend the
day researching that and then i will get back to you with my thoughts.
Also, regarding Ecstasy... I'm a tad affraid i might not be able to
handle it? as i'm told at the start of the trip you think your going to
die...
Going from feeling lazy and relaxed with weed to feeling like im going
to die is not something i want to dive into right away lol
I want an upper though thats for sure.
I would say mushrooms because they are natural but mreo powerful and different than grass, in my opinion your graduate to stronger drugs and LSD is not something you take after only smoking grass, though ecstacy doesnt really fit in that system becuae the amounts vary SO much though you could have an awesome roll yoo could also freak out becuase some cook thought it would be funny to dose you with something real bad. So I would say mushrooms, or have you tried grass brownies/cookies/whatever that can be an intense trip
Get a couple close friends, or better yet your girl if you've got one, and try some quality MDMA. That's a great way to open your eyes to psychedelics. ~2g of good shrooms will be great also...
Also, regarding Ecstasy... I'm a tad affraid i might not be able to handle it? as i'm told at the start of the trip you think your going to die...
That's absurd!!
Adderol is not so much icky, it is just a matter of choice. Now (pretend they didnt put me to sleep) pretend i could get addies at any time, or 1 pop of E, from what i've heard i'd go with the E just because it's a great time. But also know that when you are doing E you always have to maintain about a pint of water an hour because your body tempature goes up and you sweat thus causing your body to dehydrate. But with some water you will be set.
As far as adderol you will get hyper, and stay awake. If u do a regular dose i dont think u will be up for 8-9 hours, but know that any amphetmine will give u sleeplessness, and also a suppressed appitite for at least a day. You might not have a problem with the sleeplessness, or the food because all drugs interact with everyone different.
I would say give Mushies a try if you could put your hands on them, hell 1/2 an eighth (1.75g's) or close to, will give u a good first trip.. It wont be like "OMG WHAT'S HAPPNING" because things are not completly freeking out. You are in control but you do a lot of thinking, you can control what your thinking of, or if your watching a movie thenyour not thinking at all your just absorbed into the movie. All and all a good time. I've never tried LSD but i'll have to say that i have to try to find some... it sounds like a good time.
Muirner
Ecstacy!!!
Preferably do it with a mate who's done it before, if not, do it with 2 or 3 real close mates, buy 2 pills each (trust me, you'll want them), eat a WHOLE one, don't piss around with halves at first. When you start to feel a litlle 'down', you'll know when, eat another half, and do the same again later.
I promise that you will have the time of your life, just remember not to spin-out when you 'come up'. It can be a bit strange if you've never expereinced it before, the best way I can describe it is as a moment of extreme clarity. Once you hit that point, around an hour after eating the pill, just do what feels good.
For reassurance, the area where I live has a very high number of gurners (people who take pills) and I only know of ONE person that has ever not had a good time.
Nature Boy
10-05-2005, 01:28
It depends on the type of person you are but I would go for LSD. When taken in the right dose, it can be a life-altering experience for the better.
Ecstacy is all well and good while it lasts, but I'm always left with a miserable feeling when it wears off. After acid, I feel invigorated and refreshed.
I wouldn't consider mushrooms to be "hard" drugs if that's what you meant by your first "real" drug. Realistically alcohol is a much harder drug.
Well just to put in my two cents, if you can get it go for acid.
I think contrary to what most people seem to think if you buy E from
someone reputable (your pot guy) you most often get eithier MDMA or
MDA. MDA because alot of chemists dont take the extra step in synthesis.
LSD come in sheets which are usually 100 doses. 1 dose is
usually about 150to300 micrograms. If you cut one in half it should cut
the intensity of trip in but not duration. This is assumeing that
whoever dipped the sheet dipped it evenly. However I dont find it
likely that your gonna get any acid. If you do buy bulk and keep it in
your fridge.
That being said if you cant get acid go for E. I
mean even if the pill you get isnt E the most common substitute in
those pills is Meth.
My "friend's" next drug after weed was DXM. That was weird. Then came LSD. I wouldnt suggest Shrooms over LSD as a "safer" psychadelic, they are slightly different and equally potent. Shrooms are more of a mind-fuck. MDMA would be a good choice, if you can get Molly from a guy you trust. E is a russian roulette when it comes to getting what you want. Edited by: mf400
Nature Boy
13-05-2005, 14:20
DXM? I'd never touch that stuff. That shit's definitely on my "don't touch" list.
Not many people I know like the feelings of DXM. I love it. DXM was my
2nd drug after weed. As for the adderall, I'm like Muirner, it just
helps calm me down. I've been prescribed for about 6 years because of
my ADD and it just helps bring me to "baseline" I guess you could say.
My friends who actually get something out of it though seem to have fun
on it. Although they just say it makes them really talkative, hyper,
and they have about a million thoughts per second. Out of your list,
I'd try Ecstasy first. I haven't met one person that doesn't love it.
Also, in my opinion, definitely do shrooms before you do acid.
I've never done another drug compared to acid in intensity. Plus the
length of the trip may begin to scare you after awhile if it's your
first time. Whatever you decide on, have fun and be safe.
Nature- I dont think that alcohol is a harder drugs then mushrooms. Because when your taking mushrooms your are posining your body to go through the euphoria of tripping. Alcohol you are just feeling the effects of alcohol.
club222- I've seen the same thing, i've seen people who can take it and they have a blast. But for you and i, we just "baseline" as the dr.'s will call it. I have not taken this drug for the past 2 years and honestly there have been few times where i have thought about going back on it.
Adderol and such are just controled doses of speed, so it is almost like blowing a line when you are sniffing a pill
Muirner
pokeymcsmot420
14-05-2005, 07:08
i definatly reccomend some kind of an opiate for your first real drug, and here is why.
adderal-effects vary too much person to person. just because your not prescribed to adderal doesnt mean you might not have add, in which case like people said it will do nothing. Best case scenario you will feel what i like to call "extra sober". This is what name ive decided to give the feeling of speeders. you will be hyper talkative perhaps even feel invincible. not much euphoria, no sleep, horrible come down, huge addiction rate.
lsd- too strong for a second drug, too hard to find. if you have never tripped before i do not reccomend lsd at all. it will last longer and kick your ass more than anyother hallucinagen. in my oppinion your likely to have a bad experience and be scared to try new drugs in the future.
ectasy-you could get anything in pill form searching for E. i dont know that being said, it sounds kind of dangerous for a second drug to try. not to mention you'll never really know what substanceexactly you experienced, but than again u mite not care. (had to be some drug)
shrooms- prolly my second choice. cant really say anything bad about shrooms, go for em if its what you think you'd prefer. i prolly woulndt think a psychedelic for a second drug to try.
opiates-well ur problem with this is there mostly pharmeceutical. other than that they just create a general warmno worriescomforatable feeling. of course addiction can be ahuge problem with opiates, but you'll be well aware when your headin down that path.
benzos- (xanax, ativan, klonopin, etc) benzo mite be a good choice for a second drug. just makes you really relaxed and stress free, they tend to make people drowsy. but also pharmaceutical.
dxm-shit drug of cough syrup chuggers, well thats a very close minded biased oppinion, but how i see things. the best ive ever heard about it was someone say "its almost as good as mushrooms but not" while they were on it. but than again, never done it so shouldnt really put an oppinion i suppose
idk hope it helpd
lolomgwtfbbq
14-05-2005, 16:05
I agree that you should try opiates.
DXM would also be a good choice but drinking cough syrup is really
stupid so at least get cough gels if you can't get the powder.
Nature Boy
14-05-2005, 16:53
Nature-* I dont think that alcohol is a harder drugs then mushrooms.* Because when your taking mushrooms your are posining your body to go through the euphoria of tripping.* Alcohol you are just feeling the effects of alcohol.
Muirner
The effects of shrooms seem way more natural to me, even than booze. But I guess you're right in that if I wasn't used to them they could seem a little weird.
Speaking of, did anyone ever take shrooms and not come up, only to be woken out of sleep hours later completely tripping? Happened to me last night. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif
motorhead
14-05-2005, 18:36
lol nature boy, i did, pretty trippy stuff. Kinda like, what the......????!!!http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif
Not to derail the thread or anything, but alcohol is a very nasty drug. It harms many organs, most notably the liver of course.Kills brain cells and all that. One can die from alcohol withdrawl, whereas you cannot from heroin withdrawl. Of course all this never stopped me from taking copious amounts of it throughout my lifetime lol, nor stopped governments from making a killing on it.
Ah so many choices for a second drug. Theyve all been suggested so far so ill just say my second drug was lsd.
Nadia Snow
14-05-2005, 21:32
Amphetamine...
happatai
15-05-2005, 06:45
i started with weed, then i did vicodin for a while, then i just jumped
into LSD. it was great. I'd reccomend a half eighth of shrooms as your
2nd drug, maybe get stoned before consuming. Then again, 1000 mg of
vicodin is always fun.
Pinkavvy
15-05-2005, 07:21
i started with weed, then i did vicodin for a while, then i just jumped
into LSD. it was great. I'd reccomend a half eighth of shrooms as your
2nd drug, maybe get stoned before consuming. Then again, 1000 mg of
vicodin is always fun.
1000mg of vicodin? I think you are mistaken. 5/500 does not mean 500mg of vicodin it means 5mg of vicodin and 500mg of acetominiphin. 1000mg of vicodin will kill most people. the acetiminiphin alone will stop your liver.
but 10mg of vicodin ... (or preferably, narco or larocet)
darksideofcuba
15-05-2005, 09:49
~~~1000mgs!!! are you trying to get people to kill themselves!!!~~~
i just had to second the comment about the 1000mgs. more than 25 can OD some people.
swims first drug was ecstacy. then vicodin. then percocet. then xanax.
then soma. then dramamine. the percocet and soma where swims favorites
followed closely by xanax and vicodin. dont try E or dramamine for a
second drug if you dont have to. swim would definantly take 15mgs of
percocet(oxycodone), a 2mg of xanax(alprozolam) aka a bar or 2 somas as
a second drug. if youre desperate generic dramamine is cheap and legal.
a lot of opiates mix well with the mj according to swims friends. it
just depends on what kind of experience you want. what kind of stuff do
you want to experience?
Where in australia do u live?
Just want to comment on a few things. As for your next drug to try... it really depends on what you are looking for.
xtc: pro: good feeling for a few hours. happy euphoric, etc. con:
e-tarded for 2 days afterward due to decreased seratonin uptake.
mushrooms: pro: 6 hours. take maybe 1.75 grams. shouldn't be too much of a headfuck with that. cons: easier to trip badly on
LSD: pro: less headfuck than mushrooms, more visual. (i know people
argue high doses of mushrooms are more visual than L, but swim has
found that he'd take a 10strip again before he took 12g dry again.)
con: lasts almost 12 hrs.
2c-i: pro: fun, light psychadelic. con: jaw clenching (not too bad)
Nature- I dont think that alcohol is a
harder drugs then mushrooms. Because when your taking mushrooms
your are posining your body to go through the euphoria of
tripping. Alcohol you are just feeling the effects of alcohol.
Muirner
poisoning your body? where's the evidence of that? alcohol is poisoning
your body also. NAD converted ethanol to a toxic chemical which causes
a hangover. Where's the difference there?
My recomendation would be a small dose of 2c-i, a light dose of mushrooms, or perhaps even some nitrous oxide.
its a short feel-good experience that as long as you don't get carried
away is relatively safe. read up on www.erowid.org , check your street
dealers and see what they have to offer and at what price. good luck.
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Nature Boy
15-05-2005, 18:46
If you do decide to take shrooms, don't take any alcohol with them because it could ruin the buzz completely and take away from the positives of the effect. I took some on Friday but made the mistake to wash them back with a few beers and they barely worked at all. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif
Yeah fungus and beer is ill advised.
killmeswift
16-05-2005, 05:20
gor for ectasy youll love love youll love everything
don't start doing heroin.
sterling77
25-05-2005, 17:53
I would say ecstacy- the reasons have been stated over and over in this thred so I won't go into it. However I will say one thing, I would say not to worry too much about harmful contaminants in X. A couple of scare reports of findings of broken glass, etc. in X have been proven false and the chances of getting something harmful have been found to be pretty low. Not saying there's not a chance, but I think the most you have to worry about is getting a low amount of mdma.
Nature Boy
25-05-2005, 18:40
The natural progression tends to be:
Alcohol
Cannabis
Magic Mushrooms
Speed
Ecstasy
Cocaine
LSD
This is usually based around availability. Personally, I would choose this way:
Cannabis
Alcohol
Magic Mushrooms
Speed
Cocaine
Ecstasy
LSD
That's where I draw the line. I don't do meth, crack, Special K or anything like that.
IvoryQueen
27-05-2005, 01:20
I wouldnt reccomend lsd, it's too trippy and would prob freak u out. I'd probably suggest ecstacy, but make sure u just take half a pill at 1st. In my opinion, a whole one would just be a bit too intense. Although, speed is quite a good started drug too, although I'm not actually a fan of it!
SWIM's never done ecstasy, but he's done MDA. Close enough. He says go for the XTC... http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif
turfshark_40
27-05-2005, 08:41
I would say mushrooms for your second drug, thats what I did for my second and it was great. In my opinion as long as you have half a brain and don't take a shitload your first time you should never have to worry about a bad trip on mushrooms.
Mushrooms, definitely.
I've already done XTC too, but still, I like the effect of shrooms way better. X is just too much for me, I think.
billbong
03-06-2005, 01:29
everyone loves xtc it is fukin brill me n budz on it now. if u want to avoid the o.00001 chance of death buy a test kit for like £20 shrooms n acid will imhp change your life for better or worse. in my opinion lsd n shrooms, like salvia might disagree with you if that is the case just stay AWAY
SHROOMS XTC AND ACID ARE CLASS A DRUGS IN MY EXPERIENCE ALL 3 ARE FAR MORE POWERFULL THAN SPEED. they are my top 4 drugs among meth but be carful DO NOT underestimate them. FOR BEING CAUGHT IN POSSESSION U COULD FACE A LIFE SENTENCE AND A UNLIMITED FINEEdited by: billbong
ldeezy80
03-06-2005, 16:11
if your choices are the 3 you listed, go with #1, baby. you'll never regret an x trip, especially when the choiceis over your first lsd/shroom trip. hell you might hate your first lsd/shroom trip.
I definitely prefer shrooms to E, but you can't go wrong with E. Your
first pill will blow your mind. The sense of all encompassing bliss and
love for everything and everyone is ... well it's just incredible. It
was, and would still be if I had to
take the choice again, my first class A. Then go for the shrooms, but
make sure you get the set and setting right
.
Edited by: ramjet
jaguarangel
14-06-2005, 06:58
My first was LSD. If I were to deliberately choose, I would start with MDMA.
Cocopuffs
14-06-2005, 20:17
Definitely go with Xhttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif...
Ecstasy. I smoked weed, then I tried ecstasy and I was on cloud 9. Just didn't think it was possible to feel that good.
ecstacy! definetly good, so is salvia, i would recomend that too
leeoswald
21-06-2005, 07:49
My second drug was acid. At 14 years old I went straight from
weed to 'cid. That was all well and good when I was 14 but now I
wouldn't even think of doing acid. Shit, I fucking NEVER have 12 hours
to stay high and then the recovery time from that shit.... it's just
not worth it dude. No... I say shrooms. They're mellow and after 4 or 5
hours you land safely with no residual side effects, yet while you're
at cruising altitude you have these incredible thoughts that seem at
the time to be real experiences. You get these ideas like "triangles
are so cool and geometry is your friend. You appreciate the shapes of
things and you can hear the matting under your carpet squish when you
walk on it and the clock ticking in a bedroom down the hall. All the
while you are completely in control and like the other poster said...
as long as you keep your dose in the 1.5 to 2 gram range, you'll be
fine. Take 5 grams and you'll forget where your penis is located and
you'll have trouble remembering what kind of work you do for a living.
But for people looking to graduate from weed, shrooms is the way to go.
BTW, it's worth mentioning that I've never ever had a bad shroom trip
or even felt slightly paranoid. Shrooms is in of those drugs that make
you happy to be alive and connected to stuff.
As an aside, you DO realize that your original question about wanting
to graduate from weed to a stronger drug plays right into the "war on
drugs" argument that marijuana is a gateway drug, don't you? I always
hated that argument.... like right, everyone who's used H started out
smoking weed... but it's also mostly true that everyone who has become
hooked on smack has also drunk a beer and fucked a fat chicl at some
point in their lives. So should we get the religious right to ban
fucking fat chicks because it leads to heroin additction? But, in my
Some induced haze I am beginning to ramble, so I'll reiterate my vote:
Eat shrooms.... about 2 grams for your first trip. You will nto regret it.
don´t get into narcotics unless u want to pay a dear price, crack, meth, h,. the feeling is great i will admit, but it´s a long road of shit. the trade for the high is the addiction, u will always think about it, u may always do it, and it will stay with u one way or another for as long as u live in the front of ur mind or the back.
i had to say that because seriously, i wish someone had said it to swimhttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley22.gif
I tried MDA once, a long time ago... literally 25 years ago. It still stands out in my mind as one of the most enjoyable, unique chemical experiences of my life. Definitely second the Ecstasy recommendations. But if you do it, do it around people you either care about or would want to care about. Otherwise, powder cocaine is not a bad first thing to try... would give you an idea of what all the hype is (or isn't) about.Edited by: Nicaine
if it were me in that situation i would go with mushrooms. the information about shrooms above is pretty good. i always say why do something made in a lab when there's a perfectly good, safe source from nature so that cancels out acid. E sounds like a goodway to go too, although i wouldn't take that path personally.it seems like shrooms are a natural step in a way, but that's because i've always enjoyed the creative/psychedelic effects of bud and shrooms is a similar idea but totally different and mind-blowing. if you prefer the sedative/relaxing effects that cannabis brings then opiates might be a good way to go. i'd say don't snort shit though, there's no need (sorry to people who enjoy this, that's just how i feel personally). if possible get real opium and smoke or eat it rathar than opiates. that just goes with my whole au natural idea. with any opiates just be careful as others have said.i agree with some people above who have said not to fuck with meth. i'm opposed to most stimulants. not to be prejudice, but it seems like they tend to have greater danger with little to no physical and intellectual pay-off. anywho, i ramble and that's my two cents. i'm glad to hear that you're researching and staying informed.
i'm opposed to most stimulants. not to be prejudice, but it seems like they tend to have greater danger with little to no physical and intellectual pay-off. anywho, i ramble and that's my two cents.
Well if you want my opinion, I don't see physical payoff in anything but exercise -- no drug is going to improve your physical condition. And intellectual payoff with psychedelics, in my humble opinion, is mostly an illusion. Something that tends to impress the younger folks among us, but if you really want to know the secrets of life the thing to do is (A) live it, and (B) meditation/introspection without any drugs. Psychedelics provide the attractive but false notion that there are easy answers to the deeper questions of life. If you want pretty tracers and 'deep' insights that look ridiculous once you come down, I guess psychedelics are the way to go.
Personally speaking, body highs have always seemed safer. Your body can heal itself from most things, but mess up your mind too bad with something and you could really be screwed. Just me tho.Edited by: Nicaine
sterling77
28-06-2005, 17:57
Nicaine, you've never retained any insight from psychedelics? You
mean to say that the second after a trip, everything you experienced
and all the insight that you saw just vanished and you blew it off as
"ridiculous".
When SWIM is about to start a trip, he goes in with the attitude that
he is about to gain the ability to see through a different perspective
and therefor learn more about himself. With this attitude he is
able to integrate what he learned into his life afterwards.
And, they aren't "easy answers", you might not control what you see,
but it is up to you to think about it afterwards and apply it to
yourself. But then again, to each his own, no one opinion is
right and everyone is entitled to their own. Just my thoughts
nicaine
bcStoner420
29-06-2005, 01:11
ok i dont know how to just quote a part of a message so...
boomer0:"there's no need (sorry to people who enjoy this, that's just how i feel personally). if possible get real opium and smoke or eat it rathar than opiates. that just goes with my whole au natural idea"
dont see how smoking is any more natural than snorting, whats natural about lighting a bowl of weed using a lighter thats uses burning butane. mabey i misunderstood what u were trying to say and u just meant get opium from the source instead of opiates.
also how u say its not nessesary most people would rather snort coke instead of smoke it(excluding crack). and many people i know see snorting as a very clean form of administration. thast all opinion i guess tho. and BTW i am by no means some big snorting fanatic, i dont snort anything, the only thing i could i guess that i do is amph but it doesnt work for me snorted so i take orally. just when u say its pointless snorting that is by no means true.
and as to the topic starter of this thread i would say any of those 3 u have are very good except that u might wanna do the shrooms before the lsd. i have no lsd experience but i have my share of shrooms but havent for a long time. you were talking about amphetamines earlier and i dont know why people turned u off them but i would say thats a pretty good choice too but it wont be as big of a step as it would be if u wentwith xtc, lsd or the shrooms. definatly worth while trying to puts u in a very good mood set, makes u a very productive person too, but dont do meth and even be weary of the powerful addictions amphetamines (or any drug for that matter) can cause.Edited by: bcStoner420
Nicaine, you've never retained any insight from psychedelics?
None. Or should I say, nothing worth anything.
You mean to say that the second after a trip, everything you experienced and all the insight that you saw just vanished and you blew it off as "ridiculous".
No, but when I pondered it awhile after the trip, I concluded that it was a bunch of pleasant delusion caused by disordered brain chemistry. In contrast, I've gotten some very real insights through meditation & contemplation while drug-free. Takes dedication though, it's not something you can play "sunday christian" with and expect any breakthroughs. For some people, it means major sacrifices and living a minimalist lifestyle so they can devote most of their time and energy to meditation.
Just my opinion, take it for what it's worth. BTW I'm not knocking either psychedelics or body highs for purposes of partying/having fun, just saying all this stuff about intellectual or spiritual improvement is a bunch of bullshit in my opinion.
When SWIM is about to start a trip, he goes in with the attitude that he is about to gain the ability to see through a different perspective
and therefor learn more about himself. With this attitude he is able to integrate what he learned into his life afterwards.
So what exactly has SWIM learned? He's going in with an assumption that he'll learn more about himself, but does he know who or what this "himself" is (or whether there even is one, for that matter -- suppose existence was really a repeated attempt to exist, an attempt that invariably fails?).
Psychedelics are the blue pill, man. Except nobody wants to hear it, so I'll keep emphasizing that it's just my opinion.Edited by: Nicaine
Amphetamin...
Hi Mate,
I defiantly recommend speed,I personally believe its the less harmful drug (in my case) It doesn'tmess with my head or makes me depressed. (Allthough in most cases you do have a comedown from it and can make you depressed for a few days) Not me though. I had my first speed bomb the other day (you wrap speed in a rizla and swallow it like a tablet) But don't take too much. It makes you confident,energeticmakes you think very clearly and makes you talkative - You'll actually enjoy a conversation. It makes you breathevery deeplyit’s like aconstant adrenaline rush.- In myeyes it’s a lot cheaper then weed asitlasts a hell of alot longer. You can pick up a gram for a tenner, but forgodsake makesure you buy it off someone you trust so you don’t get nothing dodgy. I don’t recommend doing it everyday as you could become addicted to it plus you would never get any sleep, Do it once a week (Thursday/ Friday)is enough - That way you have something to look forward to get you through the week. That's what I do anyway :) It's a great drug it has done megood, Good luck & be careful you don't get no dodgy shit. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Thanks for the reply Muirner, i have researched for hours and im really excited about getting this.
It seems like it does not do anything for you (d-amphetamine) but other stories i have read talk about it like its the 2nd coming of christ.
Different strokes for different folks i guess, guess i will pop 20mg or 40mg and see what happens.
im sure people will agree even in general terms ganja is a lot stronger. if u don't consider ganja as your first real drug u shouldn't adderal, i had a stronger version for adhd ritalin, and i wouldn't consider that much better,
and no amphetamine really isn't to strong even in mega doses, you're thinking of crack or meth. I'd say experiment with the 3 you listed
Also if you want to try a downer, go for diazipam (vallium)Edited by: bonghed
big-lester
14-11-2005, 14:17
XTC
maybe a fun time for you would be strong weed and some valium xanax and or oxy contin and a beer or 2, i choose to have methadone aswell but you really shouldn't touch that, i find it "worse" than crack, meaning i can easily do crack without getting addicted but meth is harder (probably because i prefer downers and opiates and psychedelics
i'm opposed to most stimulants. not to be prejudice, but it seems like they tend to have greater danger with little to no physical and intellectual pay-off. anywho, i ramble and that's my two cents.
Well if you want my opinion, I don't see physical payoff in anything but exercise -- no drug is going to improve your physical condition. And intellectual payoff with psychedelics, in my humble opinion, is mostly an illusion. Something that tends to impress the younger folks among us, but if you really want to know the secrets of life the thing to do is (A) live it, and (B) meditation/introspection without any drugs. Psychedelics provide the attractive but false notion that there are easy answers to the deeper questions of life. If you want pretty tracers and 'deep' insights that look ridiculous once you come down, I guess psychedelics are the way to go.
Personally speaking, body highs have always seemed safer. Your body can heal itself from most things, but mess up your mind too bad with something and you could really be screwed. Just me tho.
Most people that gain the most from psychedelics are philosophical and intellectual which leads to insights, for exsample if shulgin took 400ug of lsd. He would probably gain more insight than a 15 year old wanting to get really high. Intentions and knowledge ~(hate the word knowledge) play important roles
pharmapsyche
20-11-2005, 10:38
I did some research, and i think i have narrowed it down to either...
1. Ecstasy
2. LSD
3. Mushrooms
So what shall it be? Nothing to crazy please, im scared enough as it is as i don't know how i will react to them. I'm aware that everyone is different, and they can do different things to some people, but i am ready to take that risk.
Hello, SWIM would recommened mushroom's for your next experience. SWIM recommend not taking Ecstacy, because SWIM doesn't think you have the right mind sit for it yet, SWIM says you have to know what your looking for. It's an experience, that doesn't "fuck you up", like people like to say. SWIM say's it like your opening a window to new possiblies and new ways to think. Also, SWIM doesn't recommend LSD-25 yet, since quote, "nothing to crazy please, i'm scared enough as it is." SWIM thinks it would be a bad choice to start with since there is always that possiblity of a 'bad trip'. Also with LSD-25, SWIMsays youneed to have a good mind set, and to be not scared.
I'd say DXM cause its about4-6hrs of tripping and easy to hadleexcept in austrailia you cant really get a good max strength tussinn from what i uderstand, and it sucks to have to down alot of tussin to get high.
My 2nd choice would be LSD. Take 1 tab only (or 1/2 if you are nervous). Just be warned 2 tabs is COMPLETELY different than 1.
Mushrooms are cool and alot "safer" than acid cause the duration is shorter im less afraid to take an ego-crushing dose. However the first time i took them i took 1/4 oz and it was VERY overwhelming. Fun but man I was blasted into a different universe a world of alien languages and creatues. Complete ego death for a few hours.
30mgs 4-Acetoxy-Dipt is kinda like 2 hits of acid except it wears off completely in 4hrs
15mgs of 2C-I is not bad as well easy to handle but not as fun as LSD, or Shrooms
-dc
Depends on why your doing drugs if you ask SWIM.
Non-Spiritual seeker:Ifyour looking for a almost fail proof good time, great memories,a feeling that youwill only experience with this drug, becoming really interest with the small things, bonding with friends, rubbing your face and/or the carpet for hourshttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gifor just to get 'fucked up' then X would be SWIM's choice.
Spiritual seeker:Now if your looking to discover yourself, see things from points of view you could never imagine, connect with people(bonding), animals or evenobjects, feel sensations that will be all to new to you, or just laugh your ass off...Then mushrooms are for you. Also with mushrooms comes feelings of bliss...more natural than with X but you also have the chance of fear or feeling of death. Either way bad trip or good trip you will walk way learning more about yourself than with X.
As for acid SWIM thinks that you need to do mushrooms first before you take that step.
Now realize that mushrooms offer everything I put under X but there not really guaranteed as where with X you have a 99.9% chance of all that happening. Also don't get me wrong by using non-Spiritual seeker and Spiritual seeker as if one is good and one is bad. Some people just don't like to soul search but I sure as hell do. Just study the hell out of whatever you do is one piece of advice I can assure you will help no matter what you take. Especially mushrooms, duetoitability to inducing feelings,cause if you happen to feel death touching your shoulder you can realize that its impossible to die from mushrooms and dismiss it. Good luck man ^_^Edited by: Amisten
drugs-bunny
28-11-2005, 18:40
everybody's just saying "XTC", or MUSHROOMS. how can u just say that? i
think we should first know if this guy wants to hallucinate and
discover himself, discover the world in a whole new way
(mushrooms/acid), or if he just wants to feel really good (mdma).
twintornado
01-12-2005, 20:52
pure mdma is difficult to find. if your going to try anything be around
friends and be careful you can always take more later. for a personal
preference I would say mushrooms. dosage is where this becomes
difficult ask again when you have some and the wise may advise.
Silence_Inc
11-12-2005, 22:22
you might wanna try mushrooms again?
on the other hand ... .
E = fun ---> moderation = more fun ----> using your brain = a life of health and fun ...
keep it psychedelic and with respect for your health (so don't go doing the stuff every week - even if it's fun (cause it is! ;) )
Hi everyone, i'm new here...
I have been smoking weed for over 7 years (i'm 23 years old) and i really want to step it up just one level.
I have had a caffeine trip once (think lots of coffee and lots of
caffeine pills) which was kind of interesting but hurt my stomach like
a bitch afterwards.
I also once tryed some shrooms, but it was a VERY small amount of
scraps that some junkie left at my friends house... i felt nothing
after eating it.
So, i come to you lot for advice... what would you recommend to me? what is the next level after weed?
I did some research, and i think i have narrowed it down to either...
1. Ecstasy
2. LSD
3. Mushrooms
So what shall it be? Nothing to crazy please, im scared enough as it is
as i don't know how i will react to them. I'm aware that everyone is
different, and they can do different things to some people, but i am
ready to take that risk.i recommend speed,good for me
speed is great, try it. just a little at first. great high
RealGanjaMan
30-06-2006, 03:29
If you have friends that are experienced with the drug culture,
why not just hang out with them,
and try some of the substances they are experienced with.
SWIM would reccomend any of the following:
1) Ecstasy (1 Pill - Or Pure MDMA if available)
2) Mushrooms (1-2 Grams)
3) Acid (1 Hit)
4) Hydrocodone (2 Pills - Vicodin, Vicoprofin, Generic Hydrocodone, etc)
I would reccomend MDMA (Ecstasy) as your first step,
because its generally not to intense, but VERY fun.
;)
Have fun and be safe,
-RGM
I'll go ahead and add in my perspective. I'd say ecstasy because if you're worried about freaking out it seems like shrooms or lsd would be a worse idea for you. Swim's had a pretty bad experience with shrooms even. If you feel like your mental state is pretty sound, shrooms or acid could be great, but if you're looking for something with a high likelihood of enjoyment- stick with ecstasy. It makes swim love people, entertaining people, music, and dancing. True though, the comedown isn't so fun, but still worth it. Three keys to remember with any drug (especially hallucinogens) is don't freak yourself out. If something feels overwhelming, just remember to chill out and calm down. That's the best way to avoid bad trips. Also, educate yourself on what you're doing and don't underestimate the drug (which it doesn't seem like you are). Enjoy, relax, etc. :)
Senor Gribson
30-06-2006, 04:48
it really depends on what kind of drugs you like; ecstasy you will have a happy fun time but the next morning could be a bitch (i've actually never done e this is from what my friends tell me), chances are the "ecstasy" you get will also have no mdma in it whatsoever, mushrooms make your thoughts go a mile a minute and intensify any emotions you feel, acid is like shrooms but more visual and less entheogen feeling, and there is a pretty good chance the acid you get will not be lsd.
for a first timer i'd say your choice should be between shrooms and e, and the best way to decide is to compare them to their most common counterparts; if you prefer weed to alcohol, then go with shrooms, if you prefer alcohol then go with e
RealGanjaMan
30-06-2006, 04:57
it really depends on what kind of drugs you like; ecstasy you will have a happy fun time but the next morning could be a bitch (i've actually never done e this is from what my friends tell me), chances are the "ecstasy" you get will also have no mdma in it whatsoever, mushrooms make your thoughts go a mile a minute and intensify any emotions you feel, acid is like shrooms but more visual and less entheogen feeling, and there is a pretty good chance the acid you get will not be lsd.
for a first timer i'd say your choice should be between shrooms and e, and the best way to decide is to compare them to their most common counterparts; if you prefer weed to alcohol, then go with shrooms, if you prefer alcohol then go with e
Yes its true, ecstasy will leave you feeling 'drained' for about 1 - 5 days afterwards.
I forgot to add this into my earlier post so I am adding it now.
;)
-RGM
SWIM's shocked that only one person has mentioned Salvia.
I would definately try this, it was essentially SWIM's first drug, all he'd had before that was drags off joints at different times, got a decent buzz once.
But yeah, the trip lasts under 5 minutes but is intense. Salvia is legal in most places, easily available and cheap..
SWIM has only done Salvia once, but is doing it again soon. The next drug after this he wishes to try is MDMA although he is very scared of dodgy pills.
a baked joey
01-07-2006, 02:58
Swim Recommends
Go for the Mushrooms bro. Just be around people who have done it. Who know what the feelings are so if you get worried you can ask them "am I supposed to feel like this" so you don't think your dieing. Swim also recomends not to eat to many. Also take them when your in a good mood. Don't be around people you don't know. Or anyone you don't want to know you are tripping. Try to keep a clear mind, from swim's expirence as long as he didn't think to much he was ok. So try to be outside at night like your front yard or your friend's front yard. And try to concentrate on your visuals instead of thinking :).
SWIM's shocked that only one person has mentioned Salvia.
SWIM would definetely not recommend salvia for beginners. It is so much more confusing and harder to handle than anything else. TBH SWIM thinks that salvia is really only suitable for very experienced trippers and the that only reason it has become so widely used is its availability and legal status.
forget salvia. 5-meo-DMT. pure. 30 mgs IV. go hard or go home.
:joint:
SWIM would definetely not recommend salvia for beginners. It is so much more confusing and harder to handle than anything else. TBH SWIM thinks that salvia is really only suitable for very experienced trippers and the that only reason it has become so widely used is its availability and legal status.
SWIM and his friends seemed to handle a low dose(.1g of 5x) pretty well. The best part of it was it was so short.
Then again, you're more experienced than I so....
Psych0naut
01-07-2006, 21:50
it really depends on what kind of drugs you like; ecstasy you will have a happy fun time but the next morning could be a bitch (i've actually never done e this is from what my friends tell me)The first times SWIY does E, he wont have a hang-over unless he drinks much alcohol with it, which is IMO stupid anyway.
The more E SWIY does, the worse the hang-over will be, but the first time(s) SWIY will only be left with a weird, but nice after glow, as SWIM would describe it.
mushrooms are the safest and will give you the most intense effects go for it.
radagast
02-07-2006, 14:16
if you say youre anxious then swim would recommend speed as it will change your perception a bit but its a lot easier on the mind than funghi or e
Micutzul
25-12-2007, 12:53
A very easy next step from marijuana is KETAMINE . It's quite short acting , it lasts an hour or so ( depending on the dose and how you take it ) . It has very few negative sideeffects , it's quite manageable in terms of intensity , and of course it's fun :laugh: . Unlike E or speed , it is waaaay less toxic for your body and waaaay less addictive . And it has a smoother comedown than E or speed and virtually no hangover .
So if you want to just take it up a notch , try ketamine ( it's quite cheap and shouldn't be too hard to obtain ) .
I recommend you forget about LSD for now . Unless you have at least some experience with intense psychedelics , chances are you are not going to enjoy it .
And whatever you decide to do , don't do it alone . Have a good friend watch you and take care of you , someone whom you trust . Also , do it in a safe environment , and make sure you're in a good and happy mood . Be well rested and hydrated and keep drinking water during the experience and afterwards . This will ensure you'll have a very enjoyable experience . Have fun and take care
icecreamdude321
02-01-2008, 01:47
Don't get into drugs that aren't entheogenic. The other stuff isn't really worth it. SWIM has done hard stuff, and he can tell you it isn't rewarding like psychedelics are. Drugs like speed are only going to end up fucking you over in the long run. SWIM like to keep to ganja, indole psychedleics, phenethlymines, MDxx, and the rare use of ketamine or DXM, nitrous is fun too.
Don't get into drugs that aren't entheogenic. The other stuff isn't really worth it. SWIM has done hard stuff, and he can tell you it isn't rewarding like psychedelics are. Drugs like speed are only going to end up fucking you over in the long run. SWIM like to keep to ganja, indole psychedleics, phenethlymines, MDxx, and the rare use of ketamine or DXM, nitrous is fun too.
"Speed" ( amphetamine, methamphetamine ) is a phenethylamine. And all of the MDxx are phenethylamines.
MDMA would be swim's instinctive response. The two issues, as mentioned, are questionable potency- get it from a reputable source or ask people who have tried the batch- and/or just start low. For inexperienced users of e/mdma, I find many choose to take 1/3-1/2 of pills that have been tried and deemed quite strong, and are quite satisfied. That said, the first time swim tried it, she took 3-4 pills over the course of a night and was fine. But there was another time, after she was far more experienced, where she took just one strong pill and was physically uncomfortable (vomiting, cramping, dizziness, lack of coordination) She's also taken 2 pills of what was clearly verrry speedy/cut with meth and pretty much od'd- jaw clenching, fists clenched and couldn't unfurl them, puking nasty colored yellow stuff.. not pleasant. So while she's had some great experiences with mdma, and is likely to recommend it over a full-blown hallucinogen or a full-blown amphetamine for a first experience, x (when pure and correct dosage) tends to have the better qualities of each without some of the downsides- anxiety, overwhelming intensity, etc. That said, if you think that altered states of reality and psychedelics are more your style, my recommendation would be to consider mushrooms as a possible first or second choice, and to check out the recent thread on tips for first timers doing shrooms. As long as you research what you plan to do, you'll be alright- knowledge is very important before taking action with new substances. Test kit is also a great suggestion.
Thinking back, swim's progression went from weed/alcohol- to mild opiate pills (2-3 Vicodins or Percocets) to mushrooms to coke to mdma to heroin to amphetamines (never methamphetamines, except those dumb "blue dolphin" pills) and then salvia, lsd.. with benzos, DXM, "harder" opiate pills like oxycontin, dimenhydrinate, etc. somewhere in this mix.. actually, god knows I can't remember such a chronology, although this is probably more or less accurate over the past 8 years, I wouldn't bet my life on it, lol :) Using large amounts of various drugs will tend to f*ck one's memory, but that's a given.. Swim's order was based more on availability and desire than any specific logic or progression of "soft to hard" or "less harmful to more harmful." She likes em all. It just happened like that. The mild opiates are a good suggestion, but then again swim went on to become an injecting heroin addict for a period of her life, so don't take her word for it, lol- may be best to be sure you don't have a predisposition to addiction (personality or genetic) before experimenting with more addicting substances- don't mean to contradict myself, or create irrational fear, but do be aware of this, as it is a struggle for some.
Anywho, swim's best suggestion, no matter what you choose, is to start low- remember, you can always increase your dose, but you can never decrease it once it's taken. Also, read up on here and other sites, especially sites with extensive "trip reports" sections, as this may help you decide which experiences sound like something that may be most enjoyable to you personally. And finally, go with what you can safely obtain- don't risk dealing with shady people or shady situations to obtain a specific substance. Eventually, it takes some experimentation to decide which substances are best for you. For example, some people love "uppers" like cocaine, d-amphetamines, meth, etc. while others despise them but love "downers," mainly opiates and benzodiazepines. Some won't touch either, but love substances that later reality or take one on a psychedelic journey, while others dislike that feeling entirely or feel uncomfortable with pushing the ego's boundaries. Personally, swim finds that in her life, there has been a time and place for many drugs, and she is glad for all her experiences. For example, a mild to moderate dose of adderall or dexedrine can be helpful to study for exams or get something done that needs to be done, like laundry, dishes, other repetitive tasks, but she wouldn't choose to take them at high doses on their own for a high, because the negative side effects and risks outweigh her enjoyment- ie. the sweats, the comedown, the fast-pace-of-mind make her nervous, and this detracts from any possible euphoria. She's had great mdma experiences, but also not so great. She loves psychedelics, but it comes in phases- she may trip every other week for several months, and then avoid such substances for months to years. She has battled heroin/coke addiction, and is currently sober from both, with the help of a daily maintenance dose of methadone. She spent years smoking pot daily, a whole year (right after quitting hard drugs) totally "drug-free," and has since resumed safe and occasional use of mainly marijuana- one to two times a month, and psychedelics as the desire arises. She uses benzos (unprescribed but in low doses) very occasionally for anxiety or sleep, and always keeps them on hand "just in case." She has drank in the past but currently finds more than one glass of wine or mixed drink upsets her stomach and makes her feel sick. And when she wants to get really faded, her favorite combination is probably heroin, coke or speed, and benzos. Note: this is not recommended nor safe, nor is swim currently using these drugs in combination. But when you use heavily over the years you can start to build up a tolerance and take more risks. You can also OD, which is why I'm not recommending it. But just to illustrate, everyone is different in their preferences, from those who will only do plant-based "drugs," to those who prefer only stimulants, to those who only drink alcohol or do pharms. Everyone has their preferences (and some of us have a general "preference" for any and every intoxicating substance) so educate yourself about the effects of each one you are considering and whether it is available to you safely, and go from there. Best of luck, and enjoy the ride! :D
Link to first-timers shrooms thread:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26654
in my opinion, psilocybin seems like the logical next step from cannabis for some reason
JaWill88
07-01-2008, 09:14
swim hasn't read a lot of the posts as there is 4 pages or whatever but swim will give his thoughts. first of all, fuck ecstasy. it's quite homosexual. just look at the name! and it may be a little too intense for starters. amphetamine is simlar to it in many ways when enough is taken, in fact its quite a bit better when like 100mg is taken but thats not a good starting dose, maybe 20-60 for swiy. cocaine is a good drug to try for a second drug. not as intense as amp/methamp and not near as long in duration. swim likes cocaine much better but meth is fun sometimes. oh yeah and meth and adderall are practically the same thing. anyone saying "meth is the devil! ... do some adderall!" is completely retarded, although adderrall is a little more reduced for abuse but only because orally is really the only good way to take it. swims second drug from pot was mushrooms and found that to be excellent. its a really good idea to take that first before taking these habit forming, life ruining drugs. lsd after that is okay but not before mushrooms. opiates can definately be habit forming but are probably the most euphoric drugs there are. nothing creates more pleasure than opiates/opioids. 15-30mg of oxycodone, hydrocodone, or morphine would be good. swim really must recommend opioids before any others as they are the least intense and most euphoric drugs there are. if not opioids then mushrooms for sure. trust swim and swiy will be soooo grateful.
PsychicTraveler
07-01-2008, 23:05
I also recommend LSD. It truly was the most profound influence in SWIM's emotional, psychological, and philosophical development. Oh, he's still an ignorant wreck, but at least he's aware of it.
rainbowpup
04-03-2008, 17:47
Hallucinogens have the possibility of making swiy freak out and in swim's experience it can be very hard to keep a rational state of mind. It's easy to think swiy knows what is going on but end up getting very paranoid and seeing this frame of mind as reality. Don't get me wrong hallucinogens can be fun but swiy should take some time to mentally prepare for a trip and make sure conditions are absolutely favorable.
Swim says XTC is the best bet for a newbie. Swim tried lots o hallucinogins and smoked marijuana for many years and ended up dropping all cold turkey because of the negative side effects. Swim just recently tried xtc for the first time after being drug free for over a year and felt nothing but joy and excitement. It is low key in the sense that swiy can still function and do all that needs to be done as opposed to on other drugs where one may be too impaired to act normal if needed. But even so, it is still extremely fun and will make the world seem like everything is in it's right place. Swim experienced no paranoia or negative feelings and absolutely no negative physical feelings..such as when sober swim has achey muscles and joints in some areas of the body but when on x these pains diminished.
ajm48786
06-03-2008, 07:49
Kratom or Poppy Tea. Kratom is more benign and practically impossible to overdose on; and it should give Swiy a feel for what Opiates are like, and it is legal for now. If Swiy likes Kratom, then Poppy Tea would be taking the Kratom feeling up at least 10 times over, though it is possible to OD on it, though unlikely, unless mixing it with something that slows you down. The good thing about Poppy Tea is though it is technically illegal, it is very hard to get caught (unless drug tested), the Pods you need to make it are legal almost everywhere, and cheap.
Swim would pick shrooms out of all those drugs, if Swiy chooses that, make sure he gets a sitter (someone sober to be with you) as Swiy would be new to it's full effects. If Swiy likes Shrooms, LSD is the next step from there, much better than Shrooms, in Swim's opinion.
Ectasy makes you feel awesome; but, the crash sucks, and they're so impure most the time. You may get Amphetamine, ephedrine, caffeine or all three of them combined if X is the choice. X is the worse of those choices, the after effects make it not worth it, a week of depression, bad depression right after; and insomnia the first night, unless combated with other drugs.
Swim tells you to be safe and keep in mind what it is Swiy is doing. Drugs can be a huge downward spiral once one starts desiring for more and more extreme; and it creeps up on you so subtly you won't even notice it, or admit it. Take it easy.
AddyCrazy
19-04-2008, 21:24
Adderall is very fun when taken in higher doses like 50mg but in lower doses it just gives a like 30 - 60 min euphoria then you just feel like you have an IV of caffeine but not as unpleasant as caffeine. It all depends on the type of drugs one enjoys. SWIY might want to make brownies first and have a good amount of them. If thats pleasurable to you then one might want to try mushrooms and I would say 1.7g is a good first dose. If you don't find that all that enjoyable but you find the sedative effects of weed nice then you might want to try opiates like hydrocodone or oxycodone. If you like being hyper than SWIM'd say go with some adderall. SWIM has never done LSD or MDMA but has done adderall, ritalin, various script opiates and opium, weed, shrooms and various downers. SWIM finds shrooms to be the best one because it doesn't make you feel cracked out or anything afterwards. Also adderall and shrooms mix very well together for SWIM and its similar to what SWIM would imagine MDMA is like in the sense that you are very euphoric, you have mild visuals but you also feel very connected with the people one loves. Adderall also makes the effects of shrooms not as intense which is nice if SWIY wants to do them around some people or w/e. But you made it sound in your post that people who do mushrooms are junkies and SWIM finds that far from the truth. Mushrooms will change your life and give you a completely new and wonderful perspective on life. You have to be ready for them though its not just like getting high its a life changing thing the first time you do them. If SWIY likes to just get high SWIM would not recommend shrooms or LSD or any psychadelic for that matter.
EDIT: I agree with AJM drugs can be a downward spiral if you keep craving more and more. While SWIM has never been truly addicted to any drugs SWIM has has his battles with adderall binges and percocet binges and it is very nasty. This is why one like shrooms so much you feel very satisfied after words SWIM feels and you always learn something on them. If SWIY is using drugs to get high SWIM'd be very careful because its just one wrong step and you can fall into the pit of addiction.
Yes its true, ecstasy will leave you feeling 'drained' for about 1 - 5 days afterwards.
I forgot to add this into my earlier post so I am adding it now.
;)
-RGM
SWIM remembers the first few times she had ecstasy and how good she felt the next morning: she remembers it particularly because at the time she thought "wow, i've found a drug that has a brilliant buzz, makes me feel great, sociable and love everyone around me, plus it is non-addictive and I can still function well the next day". In fact SWIM had drunk twice as much alcohol as normal and yet had no hangover from the drink either: the E seemed to take away all the negative effects of over-consumption of booze as well.....anyway SWIM's point is that like all (or most) drugs the first few times are usually great but after prolonged use (or abuse) things change (always for the worst unfortunately).
However, if SWIY is looking to try something other that cannibus SWIM would reccomend 'E' everytime as it is one of the most pleasant highs a person can have plus it is a sociable drug and non-addictive. Although just a word of caution about addictive/non-addictive drugs....SWIM started using cannibus about 14 years ago when she was a teenager at school. As soon as she started smoking she soon found herself doing it every night and becomming irritable if she couldn't get it. After two or three years of heavy smoking every night the effects of the drug changed and she started to get paranoid and uncomfortable around people (even her mates) when she smoked. She carried on forcing herself to smoke for a while just cos it was what she and her friends did....it was part of who she was. Eventually she stopped kidding herself and gave up on the weed. Then she decided to try ecstasy and had an amazing time with it....but like the pot she found herself wanting to do it every night (but it's not addictive, right?) and that led to trying coke (one night comming down off E, a mate offered it to her). SWIM remembers sitting on the toilet and thinking to herself 'This stuff is good....but it's too good....I better not do it again or i''ll be in trouble'....A week later she was buying a gram....six months later and she was into crack. Now at the age of 29 SWIM is battling with addictions to crack cocaine, opiates (tramadol and MST) and heroin.
OK, you're probably wondering what the fuck this has to do with this thread and rightly so! It's just that SWIM wanted me to point out that although some drugs are scientifically proven to be physically and/or mentally addictive all drugs have the potential to be. SWIY says that you already smoke cannibus and have been doing so for a long time....well, SWIM wanted me to ask you if you feel like you have to have it or if you can just take it or leave it, no big deal. If your answer is that it doesn't bother you if it's there or not then fine, SWIM would say you obviously are a fairly strong-minded healthy individual so go ahead and experiment (SWIM's personal preference out of the drugs you have short-listed is ecstasty btw), but if you feel like you need a spliff regularly then you have an addictive personality (like SWIM), and moving on to other drugs could be the biggest mistake you've ever made. All drugs can act as gateway drugs and make you wanting more and stronger stuff.
If you decide you are strong enough mentally to retain control over what, how often and how much you take of something then SWIM would definately go with ecstasy but that is based mainly on SWIM's own experiences of it (never a bad night). If SWIY wants to take something that will make SWIY finish good about him/herself, feel good about those around him and the whole world/life in general and to go out and have a brilliant night then ecstacy is for you. SWIM has never understood the 'just drink water' nonsense, SWIM has always drunk (usually double vodkas and redbull) and couldn't imagine it without. Then again if you find you enjoy it without booze, I guess it would be a cheaper night out!
Oh yeah, SWIM just had another thought....SWIY said you had shortlisted ecstacy, lSD and mushrooms down to try....well, SWIM remembers her best night on E.....she had been out drinking (she remembers she'd drank a lot more than usual: about 10 double vodkas and redbull), and at some point had dropped E (can't remember if it was just 1 or 2 to begin with). Then (oh yeah, she forgot to mention she was in a pub with 2 friends just up the road from where she was living when this all happened and it wasn't a planned event either, which is probably another reason why she remembers it in particular as being so fucking good), they all decided to go back to halls of residence (where they were all living) to roll a few joints and chill out for a while (it was only about 6pm in the evening at this point), drop another pill each and then go back out.....They went back, had 1 pill each (I think), and started rolling joints and, well, that was it really, they never made it back out. The reason SWIM wanted me to tell you this is cos she remembered you being a spliff connoissair and all: the thing is SWIM didn't really smoke pot any more cos it made her paranoid and all but when they got home that evening and started handing joints around she had a strong urge to indulge also and when she did she thought she was smoking the nicest joint ever and minutes later she was actively participating in skinning-up herself. From about 6pm until about 1am the 4 of them were chainsmoking puff, getting through at least a quarter before SWIM's female friend (whose room they were in), chucked SWIM and other friend out so they could get down to it (E obviously making them feel a little frisky). At around that same time SWIM was feeling kinda strange: she was hallucinating. SWIM had had unpleasant experiences on both LSD and shrooms in the past so she asked her other mate to come back to her room and stay for a while in case she had a bad time. SWIM's friend also started to trip out and for the next few hours the two of them lay on her bed trippin' out of their tiny minds. UNlike the few times she'd had bad trips on LSD tripping on ecstasy was amazing. In fact out of the 14 years SWIM has been indulging and all the various highs she has had this night she probably counts as one of her best.
So SWIM reckons if you want to try something other than weed do this: Get together with a couple of mates who you really trust and feel comfortable with (SWIY should always do this anyway), go to pub and have a couple of drinks (SWIM reccommends vodka and redbull), take probably just half an E to start with (although you'll probably want to have at least 2 on you), then at some point go back home and have a shit load of dope: this way you can feel the buzz of MDMA and experience a more trippy acid buzz. Well, hope it all works out for you.
Tony Williams
10-05-2008, 03:17
SWIM would probably go for ...
MDMA (pure of pill with high MDMA level)
LSD (small does and increase through trip)
Speed (don't over-do it)
SWIM would say mushrooms too, but SWIM has always been scared of eating poisoned ones or bad ones as he doesn't trust the streets too well.
SWIM would recommend like others have said do about half then a bit more once your ontop of things.
BrainMelt
10-05-2008, 06:23
Swim highly recommends MDMA. His first experience completely changed the way he sees life. There really were no words to describe the wonder of that night. Just don't start abusing it like swim did because then it just turns into another buzz.
if it were my cousins friends, they would tell you that you probably have already done a real drug, caffeine. but you likely meant your first BIG drug. well, those friends of my cousin would probably say weed is a good choice. if that's too easy peasy then low level peyote/san pedro would make a great introduction. just set aside the whole day and keep the dose LOW your first time
cashflow
05-06-2008, 18:56
swim never did shrooms or lsd but would suggest going for shrooms as it is a natural plant that has been tested over thousands of years.
RaverHippie
05-06-2008, 20:40
I'm astounded by how many people didn't notice the original poster made this one over 3 years ago. I'm also astounded by how many people have bumped it since then...
epiphany2008
05-06-2008, 21:18
SWIM would in disputably go for MDMA.
Speed is probably good for a starter, but the comedown is no where near as euphoric as MDMA.
SWIM has has good experiences on Shrooms and also good experiences LSD.
SWIM has also has some pritty crazy scary trips on shrooms and LSD.
SWIM has also taken a lot of speed in his life and has also had Good and bad experiences on it. Panic attacks etc.
However SWIM's bad experiences on these drugs was probably down to his years and years of misuse.
SWIM has NEVER NEVER had a bad experience on MDMA.
:vibes:
thealmassi1
06-06-2008, 15:53
Wow, I was about to answer this question until i realized that the first post was done in 2005. Anyways, I wonder what SWIM chose as his first drug. SWIM hopes he did shrooms over E since it isn't as intense and is a drug that opens one's mind to epiphanies and euphoria.
This is a good post and informative to those who want to try more intense drugs than chronic. Would have been good to SWIM if he saw this a year and 1/2 ago.
seeingred
19-07-2008, 05:14
Maybe morning glory seeds: LSA?
marek_gen
21-07-2008, 09:18
swiy could try mescalaine
it is said to be like LSD but more intense (not sure about this bit)"swim never tried LSD"
Ganja2k8
27-07-2008, 14:47
ecstacy or valium
Ganja2k8 added 4 Minutes and 46 Seconds later...
Drugs like LSD can have a bad effect on you just like a good effect the thing is that you dont know how you will react your better off with ecstacy or valium id say.
Remember if you choose to try drugs that will give you a serious trip that once this trip starts you cant stop it
tryptamaster
27-07-2008, 16:06
Well swim was in a similair siruation and swim tried lsd. Lsd can be very intense but after 7 years of smoking you should be able to handle it. I agree with the opiate comment. Either 10-15mg of hydrocodone or oxycodone should give you a feel for it.
I'm astounded by how many people didn't notice the original poster made this one over 3 years ago. I'm also astounded by how many people have bumped it since then...
SWIM guesses that although the original poster might've moved on and made a decision about what drug to choose, there might still be other visitors to the forum who are in a similar situation and might find the information helpful.....or not.