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schillbj
28-04-2005, 04:50
Has anyone tried Lunesta yet? It is supposed to work like Ambien. I want to know if it has the same side effects as Ambien if you stay awake. I have had some pretty trippy experiences on Ambien and I am hoping Lunesta is just as interesting.
Anyone else had experience with this? I got a sample prescript from my doc and also batch from an online source - thanks to Vicente Fox Quesada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicente_Fox_Quesada)-
So far my 2mg legit does seem better than the supposed 3mgs i got
online.. but i am doubling up on that now to see how the effect will
be..
Anyone else?
burnout278
03-09-2005, 07:09
I've tried the 3mg tabs and it seemed to work well as far as sleeping
straight for 6-8 hours. One night I took 6mgs worth and the next day I
was feeling dazied all day long.
I would rather have ambien 10mg worth.
Just my 2 cents.
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burnout278
03-09-2005, 07:12
I've tried Lunesta. I've tried a total of 6mgs in one night. Its
nothing like an Ambien effect. Lunesta will help you sleep but not make
you feel like your on a Ambien buzz.
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~lostgurl~
07-09-2005, 11:16
SWIM has swapped stories on the 2 meds online and from what she can tell the buzz is very similar ambien.
jesusfreak666er
08-12-2005, 03:13
i really wanna get my hands on some lunesta... just to experiment with it, does it produce the same "hallucination" like effects as ambien if u take a high dose and stay up on it... though they arent as much hallucinations as distortions and delerium. but im gonna try and get my hands on some sounds fun!
korky8097
10-12-2005, 20:33
well my friend was on it for a while. He described it as just kinda slightly weird, not really too much like ambein. And he said, "the commercial says unpleasant taste, but what they mean is a terrible taste like you ate shit that lasts for the entire next day" Havent tried it personally though.
In a study of abuse liability conducted in individuals with known histories of benzodiazepine abuse, eszopiclone at doses of 6 and 12 mg produced euphoric effects similar to those of diazepam 20 mg. In this study, at doses 2-fold or greater than the maximum recommended doses, a dose-related increase in reports of amnesia and hallucinations was observed for both
I'd like to meet the "individuals with known histories of benzodiazepine abuse". Being on 6 to 12mg of eszopicolone (Lunesta) is nothing like being on 20mg of diazepam.
A friend of mine took 9mg. He told me he got a really weird buzz from it that was more annoying than pleasant. He could walk and talk completly normally on 9mg and did not report feeling tired at all.
He woke up the next morning feeling really hazy (almost like a hangover) and had an "unpleasant taste" that lasted nearly the whole day. He concluded it had no recreational value and threw out the rest of the bottle.
Stick with Ambien.
swim tried lunesta and it did nothing except sleep, however ambien,swim had 'trippy' expierences with ambien a few times on 20mg and then swim vomited it up and stopped 'trippin' immeadietly everytime
pharmapsyche
25-01-2006, 15:46
There are conflicting responses to this post. One member wrote that Lunesta was indeed like the Ambien buzz while others reported the exact opposite. I'm sorta confused. I've never tried Lunesta and I am certainly curious to know how it compares to Ambien. I think I'd have a better understanding of eszopiclone if someone could compare it with the sleep aid zaleplon. Is it anything like zaleplon (Sonata)?
berserker850
24-03-2006, 06:17
i was prescribed lunesta for sleep problems and i had to stop taking it because of the horrible taste that just lingered
Zolpidem (Ambien, Stilnox) although a Hypnotic is chemically dis-similar to Zopiclone (Zimovane, Imovane) and the stereo-isomer Eszopiclone (Lunesta).
Effectively Eszopiclone is simply twice the strength (mg for mg) of Zopiclone and unrelated to Zolpidem.
It's been recorded clinically and by subjective experience that Zolpidem (Ambien) may/can cause hallucinations however there is no evidence Zopiclone/Eszopiclone does. Edit: Spoke to someone recently who assures me Zopiclone caused hallucinations akin to a Zolpidem experience
Subjectively speaking having used both Zolpidem and Zopiclone (prescribed) ... they are useful sleep aids but otherwise amnesia in a blister pack.
Stay away they have little to no recreational value YMMV.
blondie8734
12-04-2006, 02:24
SWIM took lunesta ( not sure how much) and ended up in the emergency room. When i went to visit her, she was talking crazyyyy. Talking like she had major cotton mouth and was delirious. Didn't know what month or where she was.
That's certainly one of the problems with the Zzz group of Hypnotics. If you use them recreationaly you must hide the remaining stash.
SWIM tried Zopiclone once recreationaly and woke the next morning with the house a total disaster area with no clue how it happened and also that SWIM had munched through a whole blister pack. The idea was to take 4 but SWIM had eaten about 16. Not clever :(
Edit: It wasn't me it was swim
AchaeaPerson
09-06-2006, 06:20
SWIM got ahold of a prescription for Lunesta(eszopiclone) and is trying to find out if it has any recreational value. He's heard before that it didn't, but he wanted to find out for himself and post it.
3 at 6:00PM 3 - 6mg
2 at 6:50PM 5 - 10mg
2 at 7:30PM 7 - 14mg
3 at 8:30PM 10 - 20mg
3 at 9:00PM 13 - 26mg
Each pill was 2mg btw, so SWIM had a total of 13 pills, 26mg, over the course of three hours.
He took them in bed, playing WoW, then once it hit him, around 9:45 I'd guess; He got up and walked around, noticing that if the lighting was low, it looked like everything in the room was moving very slightly. Like there was a pair of boxers on the floor that looked like it kept rolling in and around itself, but when he turned the lights on, it mostly went away.Also he apparently spoke with his grandparents, and fixed his moms internet, but after only a few hours, he doesn't remember these things at all, and had to be reminded by a friend that was here to sit, just in case something unexpected happened.
It's 11:00 now, and he has a very slight euphoria/buzz, and his motor skills are messed up slightly; stumbling, etc. but nowhere near as bad as they were before.
Only side affect would be this amnesia bit. He guesses he took to much, or maybe he should be taking a lower dosage all at once, instead of every half hour.
What do you guys think? And especially, is it better to take the entire dose all at once, or spread apart? And what sort of dosage would SWIY suggest if it's done all at once?
Oh, and SWIM did some calculations, and he may have taken 14, not 13. Altogether that's 28mg
Thankyou for SWIY's report. The whole "SWIM" thing was fairly intermittent though;) SWIJ has edited: But please bear this in mind for the future.
AchaeaPerson
09-06-2006, 12:06
Ah darn! Sorry, SWIM'll be more careful in the future, on a separate, totally bizarre note:
Starting like 15 minutes ago he's having really intense open eyed visuals, like seeing people and things and all sorts of crazy shit floating around and changing into different things, but it only works in the pitch black, if all the lights are on, it just looks like everything is kinda, he doesn't know... Twitching around, like he said earlier in the experience report. He's not sure if this is still the Lunesta or something else. Anyone with answers? Very bizarre, very awesome.
AchaeaPerson
09-06-2006, 12:07
:p SWIY's wish is SWIJ's command (on this occasion anyway).
She respectfully suggests that posting on the internet while tripping one's balls off may not be the best idea;)
AchaeaPerson
09-06-2006, 12:33
This is also pretty weird; in pitch black SWIMs visuals are pretty significant, like shit flying around, reaching out at him, really cool. If it's dimly lighted he can see some things, but nothing flying around or anything dramatic, and with the full lights on, all he can see are the twitching and squirming of the walls and everything. Is it normal for visuals to work this way?
Edit:
So it's the morning now and SWIM can only remember bits and pieces of last night (although he can definitely remember all the visuals!) but he's still thinking lunesta has some recreational potential. He's getting some coke today (finally!) and some tramadol tomorrow, but he'll definitely expirement with lunesta dosages to see if he can find a point where you get buzzed and trip, but don't have any amnesia.
Wish him luck!
And if anyone's interested in this, then post, because I have no idea if this stuff is interesting to anyone on the forum, or just a waste of time.
rollerzcoasterz
09-06-2006, 19:43
I actually have a legit Lunesta script (imagine that :) ) and it really only helps me sleep. I have used Ambien as well and find that mush "more fun". I would not really say either is worth purchasing unless you have trouble falling asleep. Just my 2 cents.
Fantasian
09-06-2006, 21:16
I didnt realise this Eszopiclone produced CEV? Is this because of the dosage causing delirant type effects?
AchaeaPerson
09-06-2006, 21:18
Hmm, SWIA doesn't know, he told me he was tripping pretty hardcore. I think that you're probably right about it being more effective as a sleep aid. I have a legit prescription though, and I don't take it for sleep every night, so I'll probably try out this Zopitrip (aren't I cool for coming up with a nifty phrase) thing once a month or so. They were OEV, but it had to be pitch black for them to get really intense, so I suppose it's about the same as CEV. If the room was dimly lit, like with a low watt bulb, SWIA would see things that were almost like wireframe models of things, but very faint. And even in bright light, everything squirmed, which got to be kinda creepy after a while.
Fantasian
09-06-2006, 21:24
This is strange, in SWIFantasian's experience he has only experienced two types of hallucination. That accociated with mushrooms, LSD and mescaline which one can see definate shapes and patterns but is aware that they are not real and generally quite enjoys the visuals. And that of Cyclizine a deliriant which produces realistic scary visuals which cannot be seperated from reality. (and DXM and Ket but they were somewhere imbetween)
This experience sounds much more like the former i think i'm going to do some research on this and SWIY's experience.
AchaeaPerson
09-06-2006, 21:29
SWIA told me that it reminded him of highish doses of DXM. Both DXM and Lunestas visuals are much more intense in the dark, and barely noticable in the light. He told me that at the peak of the trip, he was seeing people, objects, other crazy things, and even entire landscapes at one point. It was slightly scary at times; a few times he'd see something dark lunge at him, or something similar, but he could just turn on the lights and take a moment to compose himself.
SWIM has tried Zopiclone recreationally, and for insomnia. And in his opinion it is really only good for the latter. It can cause effects somewhat like benzos, but really only at higher doses (8-12) mg. SWIM has also had numerous experiences with zopidem (ambien) and zaleplon (sonata), and lunesta is nothing like them.
Subjectively speaking having used both Zolpidem and Zopiclone (prescribed) ... they are useful sleep aids but otherwise amnesia in a blister pack.
Stay away they have little to no recreational value YMMV.
It does vary... SWIM finds zolpidem to be *very* relaxing and a pleasant buzz... maybe not "fun" in a recreational sense, but seems to hit the spot in its own unique way (he gets no issues like amnesia, although he never does high doses). He hasn't tried Lunesta.
After going through thirty 10-mg Ambien tablets in four days and experiencing actual physical withdrawals today (remarkably opiate-like, with an extra element of agitation), SWIM is getting away from Ambien completely before he gets in deeper than he can sh*t.
SWIM saw his doctor today and got a script for thirty 3-mg Lunesta tablets. His first experiment will be rectal admin of 1.5mg to see if it brings him down off stimulants the way Ambien does, or if it merely "encourages sleep" ala melatonin. It's classified as a hypnotic (sleep-producing) drug, but not a "sedative/hypnotic" like Ambien. SWIM also hopes to add to the body of experience concluding whether Lunesta has any recreational value or not.
Lunesta is supposedly a melatonin derivative of some sort (so are some very powerful psychedelic tryptamines, so let's not knock it quite yet). The chemical name is eszopiclone (s-zopiclone), and it is the active isomer of Zopiclone (Imovane), thus should have identical effects but require lower dosage levels. Blood levels peak in one hour (with a 6-hour half life) following oral administration. The peak should be much sooner using "the other method."
Lunesta 3mg tablets are small, blue and coated. SWIM cut a tablet in half, crushed it, and dissolved it in 4ml of hot water. The tablets dissolve even more easily than Ambien, and the whole process took less than 30 seconds. Actual administration can be explored in threads dealing with rectal admin, SWIM won't go into it here. He's just using it for a first-time test, since it should take effect more quickly.
Note -- Lunesta is purported to leave a bad taste in the mouth (claims have been both immediately and next-morning). SWIM tasted a tiny drop of the dissolved liquid, and indeed this droplet left a horrible, bitter aftertaste in his mouth that has not gone away after drinking a full glass of water! Perhaps rectal admin will be particularly useful with this substance.
T+3 minutes... the bitter taste lingers in SWIM's mouth after *two* full glasses of water. No notable effects yet.
T+10 minutes... SWIM feels some mild effects, akin to relaxation and cancellation of the buzz he had on MDPV (a stimulant research chemical). His vision is slightly altered in a way that's difficult to describe... those who have used opiates and noted a visual "haze" probably have the general idea. SWIM is glad to see the stuff can apparently cancel stimulants, otherwise he may have acquired some Ambien to use specifically for this purpose (he might do that anyway, as it's *extremely* effective for that, even more so than benzos) . Lunesta does not seem to cause tachycardia (fast heart rate) for SWIM like Ambien does, another plus for use after stimulants.
T+18 minutes... some cognitive slowing noted, including more typing errors than usual and "daydreaming" type pauses during which SWIM drifts into a light daze. Subjectively speaking, this feels stronger than 10mg Ambien, at least in terms of "head-messing" effects. There's a mild (VERY mild) euphoria as well which feels considerably less than what Ambien delivers... it's still too early to come to any conclusions though.
T+25 minutes... time is seeming to pass much faster than usual. This is the first time SWIM has ever felt drowsy while high on stimulants! :) SWIM enjoyed Ambien primarily for the refined sense of euphoria and relaxation it produced... this stuff might appeal more to those who like a cruder high, ala getting drunk on alcohol. Cognitive slowing is quite pronounced. SWIM dosed lightly with more stimulants to try & overcome it. He's not sure what six hours of this is gonna be like. :rolleyes:
T+35 minutes... the bitter taste in SWIM's mouth has not gone away, in fact it's hardly even diminished. It's now obvious why they coat the pills, but it remains to be seen whether the systemic effect can produce this taste the morning after use. Effects seem to have peaked. Much less pleasant than Ambien, perhaps because SWIM doesn't consider messing up his head like this to be much fun (which is why he rarely drinks). Those who consider "blotto" to be a goal may enjoy this a lot. It could certainly substitute for alcohol in some ways, minus the puking and head spinning effects. SWIM thinks if he wasn't on stimulants, he would either be asleep or sitting around in a sort of stunned daze. Note that SWIM is basically immune to blackouts and hallucinations from benzos/sleep aids, and can't say if others would be experiencing these effects or not.
SWIM will conclude this report here. Although still too early for an "in retrospect," SWIM is glad he doesn't enjoy Lunesta like he does Ambien. Lying to doctors/pharmacists, risking his @ss buying overseas, paying full retail prices, withdrawals, etc. were starting to raise their ugly heads. SWIM hopes he can stay away from Ambien completely, and use Lunesta solely for (A) insomnia and (B) *rare* stimulant comedown aid, where nothing else is available.
That's all folks. Except for some links for SWIY's research pleasure (don't forget Erowid, the Zopiclone entry should cover both zopiclone and eszopiclone).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunesta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zopiclone
http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-i01.html
http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/PUarticles/3.htm
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/317/7151/146
http://tinyurl.com/yx6mya
http://tinyurl.com/y65kfp
http://tinyurl.com/y4rs57
http://tinyurl.com/tbxez
SWIM tried two other 0.75mg doses over the course of the evening/morning (the cool thing about this substance is that very low doses are well over the effects threshold, even 1/4 of a 3mg tablet, which helps a lot in terms of conserving a month's script). Note that the normal starting dose for sleep is 2mg, but presenting oneself to the doctor as a "hard case" would probably be an easy bump up to 3.
SWIM confirms that Lunesta is an excellent comedown aid for stimulants, although it does cause some drowsiness and more cognitive slowing than Ambien. Its effectiveness for this purpose at 1/2 to 1/4 the amount typically used for sleep, along with the likelihood of being less addictive than benzos, makes it an ideal choice in SWIM's opinion. He would only caution: Make sure SWIY is not highly sensitive to memory blackouts and/or hallucinations from sleep aids (if so, benzos are probably still the best choice).
Edit -- one final (interesting) link:
http://tinyurl.com/ynzdhw
Welll SWIdr is prescribed lunesta (The price is OUTRAGIOUS though) for insomnia, and has tried it orally to see its abuse potential and has even taken up to 28mg without very much euphoria and just alot of drowsiness. Rectal administration seems like it might be better for abuse potention and will save SWIdr more mula, so he might want to try this method. Thanks SWInicaine for posting this valueable info, much appreciated!
~lostgurl~
31-12-2006, 08:59
Edit -- one final (interesting) link: http://tinyurl.com/ynzdhw
Quote from link: "The data indicate that (S)-desmethylzopiclone can bring about an anxiolytic effect without a substantial degree of central nervous system depression, and suggest that the agent may be particularly useful clinically in the treatment of anxiety."
Very interesting as SWIM finds it very effective for anxiety as well as sleep (Zopiclone)
Thanks for the link.
~lostgurl~
31-12-2006, 09:50
Lunesta is supposedly a melatonin derivative of some sort (so are some very powerful psychedelic tryptamines, so let's not knock it quite yet). The chemical name is eszopiclone (s-zopiclone), and it is the active isomer of Zopiclone (Imovane), thus should have identical effects but require lower dosage levels. Blood levels peak in one hour (with a 6-hour half life) following oral administration. The peak should be much sooner using "the other method."
Can SWIY say what the duration of effects was? Cheers
Quote from link: "The data indicate that (S)-desmethylzopiclone can bring about an anxiolytic effect without a substantial degree of central nervous system depression, and suggest that the agent may be particularly useful clinically in the treatment of anxiety."
Very interesting as SWIM finds it very effective for anxiety as well as sleep (Zopiclone)
Thanks for the link.
YW... ditto SWIM. Maybe too effective, he really should be saving it for sleep but lately has been taking it for its anxiolytic and mild euphorigenic effects. Luckily his insomnia problems have decreased lately, and he can often get to sleep without the aid of pills.
ooooh SWIdr script for eszopiclone just became a whole lot more attractive after looking at your link SWInicaine! SWIdr has done some research now on eszopiclone and is now very interested in its effects. SWIdr is now going to submit some experiences when it comes to this drug now since this new discovery!
lazarus525
13-02-2007, 00:12
SWIM has just recently experimented w/ Lunesta. It was very interesting.
I've heard some people hate it, some like the experience.
9:30 SWIM took 4 2mg Lunesta pills.
9:45 A feeling of drunkenness comes upon, and thankfully no nausea.
10:15 After watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force, SWIM goes to bedroom.
10:20 A whirling feeling arises and it seems as if people are behind SWIM.
10:25 The effects of a mild acid trip ensue; rippling, condesning, expansion
10:30 Intense hallucinations start, SWIM stares at bed and ghostly
apparitions appear, slowly coming towards SWIM. Some had the faces of
owls, wolves, and lizards. Very cool. SWIM puts head into blankets and
faces of angry men submerge from a deep, dark cave.
11:00 SWIM lies in bed and dozes off.
Also: SWIM had no rough come-down/hang-over. (Poosibly because SWIM
took pills w/ 5 minute intervals?) Bitterness in mouth lasted for about 15
minutes until SWIM used Listerine.
Has anyone experienced something of the sort?
Any other SWIY's have experiences/reports to contribute?
lazarus525
20-02-2007, 23:27
SWIM called in sick today and decided to finish up SWIM's BOL (Bag o' Lunesta- reamining: 16 mg-- 2x3mg, 5x2mg) As SWWWWWWWIM's typing, Swim is under the influence of 16 mg (ALOT) of Lunesta (Eszopiclone). swim really has lost control of coordination, memory has gone to shit (so u could pretty much say SWIM is wasted w/o drunken visuals). SOme haallucations, but SwiLAZA is too woozy to explain, even thoguh most are unexplainable. Memoery is pretty much clogged w/ a cork and SwiLAZA has been really hazely lately. It was fun + recreational the first few times, but now its becoming a bitch on my memory. I'm stopping soon b4 addiction, which'll be like a whore in a burlap sack.
SWIM drops/plugs Lunesta so regularly now that he no longer has anything to report -- to him it's a mildly relaxing tonic that (strangely enough) he doesn't crave or have problems with if/when he runs out of his monthly prescription early. Typical daytime dose for SWIM is half a Lunesta tablet whenever he feels in the mood for it. More than that tends to make him somewhat drowsy, although in a tame/harmless sort of way -- as if he could take 5 or 10 Lunestas and it wouldn't have any dramatic results aside from a half-hour snooze on the couch.
It mixes very well with kratom, and even better with "uppers" (takes the edge off for SWIM better than clonazepam by a long shot). Lunesta has become a "staple," but thankfully doesn't produce the sort of euphoria Ambien did for him (or he would be doing dumb sh*t like doctor shopping, etc... SWIM's biochemistry LOOVVEEDD Ambien).
Lunesta does still leave a bad taste in SWIM's mouth from time to time, and although this can be gotten used to it never actually gets pleasant. This too helps keep SWIM's daily dosage within reasonable limits. He's been running out of his monthly script about a week early lately, which isn't too bad.
P.S. despite regular, during-the-day use of Lunesta, SWIM has no memory problems whatsoever... as far as he can determine, his brain's as sharp as a tack. SWIM is probably on about 6mg of Lunesta at this very moment -- anyone here get the impression that he's 'out of it' in some way? :D But SWIM's biochemistry has turned decidedly weird over the last few years... it's almost like his liver/kidneys have become so efficient, they clear substances out the instant he ingests them. Impossible of course, but *something* strange has been going on.
SWIM was perscribed Lunesta ( eszopiclone) and SWIM can back up everyone else with the insane price. Lunesta didnt quite do the trick for SWIM, he hasnt ever tried Ambien (Zolpidem) but Lunesta was nothing compared to benzos. SWIM's doctor gave him 1mg pills and SWIM could take 3 and would feel a little effect, not too weird though. If you want to take this for sleep reasons SWIY should take it 30min before they sleep or else it wont work. SWIM had a little bit of Euphoria but nothing too special.
SWIM is guessing it is the mildest side of the non-benzo class besides Rozeram. Which is good for dependance. SWIM fealt almost no addictive nature in Lunesta.
SWIM has found that Lunesta induces sleep effectively at 3-6mg, but wakes SWIM up about 5 hrs later. Reminds SWIM of GHB in that respect, though not in any other.
Lunesta does not leave SWIM with a hangover which is why SWIM likes it. SWIM works erratic hours and needs to sleep when the opportunity presents and wake up clear headed. For SWIM, lunesta serves this purpose, though it is not that helpful for a long sleep..
It also seems to do a good job canceling out the effects of stimulants on the comedown.
SWIH does not know if anybody said this so far in this thread, but please note that Eszopiclone and Zopiclone are more or less the same. the difference:
the pills with both of these are a racemate, a mix of the active and inactive entantiomers. the difference is that the max strength pill of zopiclone (7.5mg) contant 3.75 mg of the effective entantiomer, and Eszopiclone only 3 mg's.
SWIH wrote this exp. report in the zopiclone thread, but this counts also for eszopiclone as SWIH described above:
Swiim's getting zopiclone prescribed right now against insomnia - the insomnia is impairinig his daily work and his entire life and are coming from heavy restless-legs-syndrome and very often waking up in the middle of the night and being in a half-sleeping state.
although swim is a very regular drug user of psychedelics, cannabis, opiates (lower strength one like tilidine and tramadole), but this symptoms are there for his entire lifem be it drug free or not.
swim's right now pretty often at the doc because of heavy suspucion of what the underlying disease is: fibromyalgosis and a mild soft parts rheumatitis.
sleepless nights, long durations until falling asleep etc. are the causes of zopiclone prescription, 7.5 mg tabs.
on the first night, swim took one tablet, it took about 20 minutes to start feeling effects. swim is drug-experienced and can pretty much say if something comes on or not, and to know not to dose higher.
he felt very drowsy, a bit like being drunk, also feeling of very heavy body, especially lower legs were like cemented. after come on swim felt to sleep 15 minutes later, very deep, no dreams of which he can remember, and woke up very refreshed and with a feeling of healthiness.
like, you would feel if you had a sleeping disorder and can't think of not being tired (except on meth & coke, but this is a whole another part of swims life, and he doesnt do speedy things anymore). as a sidenote, he slept 9 hours straight.
next night, swim took 15 mg, and this time he had some more heavy effects. to be exactly, swim can't remember whole 2 hours, in which he may or may not be awake or anything, not even dreaming. totally erased memory, but again a very deep and refreshing sleep. no hangover next day.
third night, swim tried to sleep again without any helpers. it was a horrible night, with a totel netto sleep of maybe 4 hours, out of 8. next day was extremely hard, also due to having two very good days before, that down day was also heavily depressing swims mood.
fourth night, swim did a new experiment: 50 drops of tilidine and 15 mg zopiclone. swim does not recommend this. he took it at 7:00 PM, and woke up at 6:30 AM next morning. he can't remember the whole time, and at least 3 hours are COMPLETELY erased from his memory. his girlfriend called him at 5. day and asked what was wrong with swim the day before. she called at approx. 10 PM, and said she hung up the phone after 5 minutes, where swim only talked stuff not understandable, vocally as well as the sense. swim knews for sure he must have felt asleep on the couch, and that he put the cordless phone into station for loading right after he came home from work as he can remember this clearly.
5. day as swim came home and his girlfriend called, the phone was under the bed, and swim also woke up on the bed in a weird upside down position.
since then (3 weeks) swim takes 7.5mg daily because it helps him strongly with his sleep, only problem is that zopi does only work for about 6 hours, so his doc already took the name valium into mouth.
it's a very nice drug for pure sleeping aid, but really not comparable to benzos for being high - you'll feel pretty good and have nice "zero line" of thinking in the head which is very helpful with a stressful job as swim has (although, this could lead to psychical dependence, swim supposes), and in doses where you would feel extremely good with benzos (seen relative) you'll not even sleep, you'll fall into coma and completely erase your memory for a few hours before. also, strange thought patterns occur sometimes, not very unsimilar to psychedelics, but on a much dumber style. also, swim registered open doors which where closed before, and sometimes even strangely rearragend cloths on his body and that people tell him he writes extremely strange and senseless stuff on ICQ on some evenings.
total help as a drug against insomnia problems: ++++
recretional usage potential: +
avaibilty: ++++; it's prescribed very often by doctors, as it should not be causing as much dependancy as benzos and is advertised with this plus; but, several studies show, that strong withdrawal symptoms can occur within even therapeutical length of usage and dosis can occur. and, as every drug user with general medicinic interest knows, heroine was also advertised as not causing dependancy (compared to morphine) when it was created by the Bayer Company.
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jewels480
05-07-2007, 22:07
Lunesta is like ambien, but kiunda trippier. You can stay up on it easier, but if u yty to sleep, u will. Puts SWIM into deep sleep and hard time getting up. Has much stronger effect on SWIM than Ambien. Seems more potent. May be diff for everyone, but Lunesta -surprisingly cool.
My kitten thinks eszopiclone is the most euphoric of the nonbenzodiazepine hypnotics. This opinion isn't shared by many, but my kitten swears he got intense euphoria (despite being benzo tolerant) to a 3mg dose of Lunesta (eszopiclone). He does not, however, find himself having the same hallucinations that he has with zolpidem (Ambien).
Matt The Funk
13-10-2007, 21:50
Bumping a kinda old thread, but SWIM got a prescription for lunesta today(doctor said if it didn't work he would give ambien). He was wondering if crushing the tablet, and parachuting it/ putting it in a gel cap might get rid of the foul taste? He was also wondering if his benzo tolerance would carry over to this med. And he will report back tomorrow with a full detailed report of its effects .
Some benzo cross-tolerance will apply. The best way to stop the bad taste is to drink orange juice in the AM. Parachuting it will do no good.
Matt The Funk
17-10-2007, 07:34
SWIM seems to be unaffected by the bad taste(smokes cigarettes, heard that might be a reason). 3mg of lunesta seems to do little for his sleep but gives him a small buzz similiar to alprazolam 1mg(without tolerance). SWIM has little interest in taking a higher dose for "recreation" as the cost for these pills just about made him shit his pants.
Indeed, SWIM does not get the bad taste either. However, the taste is caused by the active ingredient altering the pH of your saliva. Sorry that it didn't give more profound effects on sleep. Temazepam is one of the best sleep-aid's SWIM has found, but good luck getting a DR to script that. It is considered on of the most addictive benzodiazepines. And get this- for SWIM- he took Ambien/zolpidem and was WIDE AWAKE, as if he had taken a stimulant of some sort. He does not favor Ambien.
crackcityrocker
19-11-2007, 03:22
swim has had horrible sleeping trouble for the past couple of weeks (some nights not being able to go to sleep until 6 in the morning despite laying in bed since midnight). swim thinks it is mostly a deal of anxiety due to matters i wont discuss here, but has had a few sleeping problems in the past too. swim just remembered he had a few lunesta pills his doctor gave him to try a long time ago that he hadnt taken so decided to look on DF to see if people had positive experiences with it. while it pretty much seems about 50/50 on people thinking it effective, swim decided he would try it tonight and see how it goes. while swim is taking it to go to sleep at a reasonable time, hes also interested in any recreational value it possibly has. he'll be taking 8mg tonight and i will post results for him tomorrow (or tonight if it doesnt get him to sleep).
crackcityrocker
20-11-2007, 01:14
8:30 Swim took 4 2mg (8mg) lunesta tablets on an empty stomach
~9:00 Swim started noticing subtle effects while laying on the couch watching tv, mostly a very relaxing feeling throughout his whole body.
9:20 Swim got up to get his cigarettes and a glass of water. he was surprised with the effects so far, they had increased slightly and swim was a bit less coordinated than usual (bumped up against a wall after getting up and almost knocked over his glass of water) although it wasnt pronounced enough to be a problem.
9:30 Swim decided to take another 4mg (making the total 12mg) as he was pleased with the effects. he noticed a slight "haze" to his vision, nothing like a trip but everything looked "softer" if you catch my drift.
10:00 Swim says that the best way to describe the effects was somewhat like the buzz he gets from clonazepam. his memory was pretty shot (got up once and halfway across the house forgot what he was doing, couldnt find his lighter after putting it down 3 minutes ago, not remembering what time it was after just looking at the clock twice) but again, manageable.
~10:30(?) Swim fell asleep. he slept straight through the night without waking up and didnt notice the bad taste many others have mentioned the morning after. overall swim was satisfied with the experience. the effects were definitely noticeable but not intense by any means, very mellow. it just gave him an overall good feeling with a little amnesia. as SWILostGurl said, it seemed that it would be an effective anxiety med and also helped his sleeping problems immensely. obviously not for everyone as drugs effect everyone differently, but swim enjoyed the experience.
is SWIM the only one who got the 7.5mg tablets>? SWIM has a naive doctor perhaps.. SWIM does however have a high tolerance for psychoatives . .
SWIM has taken doses of bewteen 7.5 and 30 mg and has found this drug to have little recreational value, it can come on fast and before you realise it SWIA is in a world of blurry objects and CNS depression.(that SWIM could best compare to a large alcohol intake without the sickness or slurred speech . .but i guess some people like this feeling
Addiontally SWIM dislikes the effects on Sleeping, yes they will make you sleep but SWIM will not get any heavy rem sleep and the next will feel very drained and hazy. .
SWIM doesnt bother collecting his prescription anymore
~lostgurl~
24-01-2008, 00:02
The 7.5mg pills you are referring to are probably Zopiclone not Lunesta, there is a slight difference, mainly due to some inactive ingredients, but it changes the dosing quite substantially.
Yes that is correct.. do you have further detail on the difference of ingredients/dosage?.
SWIM had assumed since Zopliclone was the primary active imgrediant there would be little to no difference
~lostgurl~
24-01-2008, 09:40
I think 3mg Lunesta equals 7.5mg Zopiclone. I'm not sure exactly of their differences but it seems that if the doses are as stated above, they have the exact same effect..... From what I have read there have been no differences in the effects anyway, if someone else has more info on this please clarify.
SWIMS doctor prescribed 7.5mg 1 hour before bed.
From what i understand,
Brand name : lunesta has no other significant ingredients other than Eszopiclone
Brand name : Zopliclone has no other significant ingredients other than Eszopiclone
The dosage difference is most likely due to different national standards which we see with so many other drugs
Correction. SWIMS brand name is Zimovane
SWIMS doctor prescribed 7.5mg 1 hour before bed.
From what i understand,
Brand name : lunesta has no other significant ingredients other than Eszopiclone
Brand name : Zopliclone has no other significant ingredients other than Eszopiclone
The dosage difference is most likely due to different national standards which we see with so many other drugs
Eszopiclone is actually the potent (there are two) stereoisomer of zopiclone. Many drugs are distributed as the racemate (same compound but made of 50%:50% mix of the two stereoisomers) usually due to the ease of synthesis. Often though one of the stereoisomers will either have no effect (e.g ibuprofen), sometimes reduce the effect of the potent one or may even produce only the side effects. Pharmaceutical companies on many occasions have marketed the single isomer product to extent patent protection.
Zopiclone (Brand name = Zimovane/Imovane + more)
Comprised of both isomers: eszopiclone (the potent one) + the less potent one
Eszopiclone (Brand name = Lunesta)
eszopiclone = ONE pure stereoisomer (the potent one)
which is why eszopiclone is the stronger(more potent, lower dose) one.
Eszopiclone is actually the potent (there are two) stereoisomer of zopiclone. Many drugs are distributed as the racemate (same compound but made of 50%:50% mix of the two stereoisomers) usually due to the ease of synthesis. Often though one of the stereoisomers will either have no effect (e.g ibuprofen), sometimes reduce the effect of the potent one or may even produce only the side effects. Pharmaceutical companies on many occasions have marketed the single isomer product to extent patent protection.
Zopiclone (Brand name = Zimovane/Imovane + more)
Comprised of both isomers: eszopiclone (the potent one) + the less potent one
Eszopiclone (Brand name = Lunesta)
eszopiclone = ONE pure stereoisomer (the potent one)
which is why eszopiclone is the stronger(more potent, lower dose) one.
Thanks Zaprenz very informative post
Orchid_Suspiria
04-02-2008, 19:01
One thing swim has noticed about Lunesta(Eszopiclone)is how fast acting they are.Swim has found that it is actually a rather enjoyable little pill.Swim thinks Ambien(Zolpiderm)is abit more enjoyable though.Ambien(Zolpiderm)has some hallucinatory effects though which is probably what makes it the more enjoyable of the Z drugs.
Henry Chinanski
04-02-2008, 22:42
SWIM finds Zopiclone to be MUCH better than Ambien, lots of of euphoria :vibes:. Word of caution though, he told me that he found it much much more addictive than benzos. He took them for only 4 days in a row and then felt extreame WDs after :thumbsdown:
ya lunesta only is prescribed in 1 2 or 3 mg i was just prescribed some today so we will see how it works tonight been sleeping like shit tired of waking up in the middle of the night
I've tried lunesta and all the rest of the non narcotic sleep aides, it did nothing for me. I still stayed up with 10mg in me all night long the same as ambien, 10mg or more of that and was awake all night long, sometimes I go for 2 weeks on about 15 minute nap once a day, and still the non narcotic stuff doesn't work for me and doesn't produce any effects that i've noticed. I've got boxes (literally) of ambien and lunesta sitting around over here that my doctor gave me (he always gives me tons of samples if it's something he's got from the pharm company), anyway, didn't do anything for me to sleep or otherwise.
kuplo added 4 Minutes and 29 Seconds later...
SSOorry I don't see an edit button but only wanted to say one other thing, lunesta leaves the nastiest metalic taste in the mouth, can last a few minutes to many many hours. Anything you try to eat or drink will also take on that nasty metalic taste. It's rather like when you've been to the dentist and get a silver filling and get tht nasty taste in your mouth. That's lunesta. Ambiens dont leave that after taste, though for me they do nothing. Right now we're trying dalmane though they don't work worth a jive either. 90MG OF them last night and I was still up all night at the computer, still am. Waiting for the pharmacy to open to see about some soma, that used to work to put me to sleep at a high enough dosage like 2100mg (no that's not a typo).
Orchid_Suspiria
17-04-2008, 20:34
Lunesta(Eszopiclone)definitely worked for swim.The only problem is the benzodiazepine like amnesia involved with it.It sucks waking up and not remembering when you went to bed or what you said or did before going to bed.
MDudeOnDaRocks
26-04-2008, 08:48
Swims mouth tasted like a rusty tin can and vomit. Swim was prescribed 3mg for sleep, but that lingering taste made me stop (the taste lasted for a whole day). Swim's memory was shot too. bleh. Swim brushed, rinsed with listerine, brushed again, and gargled lemon juice which helped a bit.
SWIM is suprised by some of these negative reactions. SWIM needs at least 4 mg to nod out, usually chased with a few shots of liquor, and has no aftertaste or amnesia. No hangover either. The only problem is sometimes it does not last long enough. SWIM does not use every day, but when SWIM does, SWIM has not experienced any withdrawals. It seems lunesta has a wide range of individual variation...
Swifindingm
26-07-2008, 12:49
When Swim tried Lunesta it made Swim feel absolutely stupid. Swim has tried Ambien several times and loves it. Lunesta also made Swim exhausted the next day until Swim needed to fall asleep.
Orchid_Suspiria
26-07-2008, 13:18
Lunesta(eszopiclone is more like a benzo where as ambien (zolpiderm) feels abit different from any other drug.No as swim as said before he would describe ambine(zolpiderm)as the psychedellic benzo.Thats what makes it such an interesting substance.
Another thumbs down for Lunesta. SWIM found it more enjoyable than diphenhydramine/PMs, but less enjoyable than Ambien. No hallucinations over several nights, including a high dose >15mg. SWIM just felt slightly drunk and irresponsible. No full on blackouts, but a couple phone calls I didn't remember.
The taste afterwards really ruins it. It's only noticeable if one eats food. Some foods are more effected than others. Water tastes terrible.