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i have been taking about 3-4 vicodin a day for about 1 yr now , how can i come off without withdrwawl , i have 10mg methodone , how can i do this , i didnt take any all day and i feel like shit bad , please help
Starfish
02-05-2005, 15:01
Hi I dont know nothing about vicodin , but I guess cutting down slowly
goes for that too, like other pills. I have never tried it myself(I am
too scared) but I guess someone else can tell how much and when
often to cut down.
xxgaretjaxx
22-08-2005, 06:36
I agree with Starfish. Quitting without any withdrawl is going to
be difficult. Your best bet is to slowly cut back on the number of
vicodin you take a day. You take 3 or 4 a day right now so maybe
cut down to 2 or 3 a day. Then after a small period of time cut
back to 1 or 2. Once down to only 1 a day you are going to have
to just give up. It is going to be difficult, but you can get
through it. Good luck.
your lucky your are still alive. doesn't vicodin contain acetaminophen? should'nt your liver have failed by now?
I would recommend moving to something less harmful with similar effects like nicotine in large quantities which can be found in dipping tabacco. I personally enjoy the effects of lots of nicotine more and find them similar to the good effects of vicodin with out the negative feelings like wanting to puke.
bcStoner420
16-12-2005, 04:40
Since when does vicodin and nicotine feel the same, thats gotta be the worste comparison ive ever heard in my life. And yes, it does contain acetaminophen, that doesnt mean that his liver should have failed, but its probly not in the heathiest shape.
a little nicotine from a cigerette will have different effects than a huge amount from dip. a huge amount from dip does feel like a relaxing downer.
Isn't phycodin used like methodone, for heroin substitution? Havng experienced nicotine addcition can provide some windows into understanding something like a smack habit, but it isn't really the same, by many degrees of magnitude. . .
thatsall
23-12-2005, 20:06
my cousin just went cold turkey after 4 yrs on and off ddiction to vicodin. He was bad. Bad! He was not only doin vics but oxy's, morphine pills, cocaine, but main thing was vicodin. He checked himself into a 28 day rehab center about a week ago. he said he was doing great when i talked to him. I dont know if they are giving him anything to cope, but i remember last time he did it cold turkey. He said its tough. This ic coming from someone who said they were up to 40 a day, if he could do it you can!
bcStoner420
23-12-2005, 20:25
40 a day seems unrealistic to me, especially after 4 years. There his no way he would still have a working liver after that.
Hell, nevermind 4 years after 1 dam day!
Unless he was actually a smart junkie and used CWE which not many do.
thatsall
23-12-2005, 20:33
What is CWE? And he didnt start off using forty but yeah it got that bad. When i would see him on a daily basis about a month ago at work he would be as high as a kite. He would start the day off with at least 5. Then throughout the day he would keep on poppin. He was bad. He rarely missed a day and when he did u knew it.
thatsall
23-12-2005, 20:35
oh yeah and there was a football player on TV i seen who said he was up to 80 a day so dont say its unrealistic because even if that guy was lying he had to be up there in the numbers. And 40 is half of 80 so.....realistic
thatsall
23-12-2005, 20:37
Sorry but to rest my case see this thread "ADDICTION TO PAINKILLERS" it says right there she was on 15 oxys a day and 40 norcos after 4 years.
bcStoner420
23-12-2005, 20:46
Sorry but to rest my case see this thread "ADDICTION TO PAINKILLERS" it says right there she was on 15 oxys a day and 40 norcos after 4 years.
Wtf, well i dont think i beleive that either way, not only is that enough tylenol to kill someone in like 3 days or mabey even 1 (dont feel like doin the math), thats alot of god dam opiates. And CWE is cold water extraction, and for doing that much that HAS to be the only way shes still alive.
There i decided to do the math. 40 a day with minimum 300 mgs acetaminophen each is 12 grams of acetaminophen!! Pretty sure liver failure is at 8 grams. So i dont buy 40, let alone 80! thats outrageous.
Also, im not saying YOU are lying, but i doubt the sources you got that info from are completely true.
thatsall
23-12-2005, 21:16
Anything Is Possible
bcStoner420
23-12-2005, 21:23
Anything Is Possible
True, in some cases that is. I beleive this is not one of them with the only possible way they took this much would be using CWE. I dont know if your grasping how badly acetaminophen can tear away your liver. Mabey theres something im missing here but i dont think so. There is just no possible way they took 12 grams of acetaminophen a day and lived, especially not 4 years.
I wouldnt suggest taking methadome man, withdrawls yea they suck but try to get ur self some trazadone and seroquel they should help a lot, and ur gonna sleep like shit, i'd by some melatonin, that will build the melatonin back up in ur body but it takes a while, so that wont work that great but still take it, and u know just take some regulare like benadryl or tylenol pm. and if u can get trazadone or seroquel they will help u sleep very well too, take the trazadone in the morning and the seroquel at night.
Man....This thread is rather muddled. When people are saying they were doing 40 a day, that's mg's, not pills.
As for getting off - easing is often a good way to do that, the only problem is when you are an addict you will often cheat. Just a little more today... bady day, etc.
The slower you take it the easier it is on your system - try reducing usage by a quarter pill a week. That won't shock your body and will give it time to heal between steps. It might take 3-4 months, but it will be much easier on you.
If you have a trusted friend or GF you can give all the pills to which will give them to you on a daily basis it would help. Someone who won't give in to you bitching about pain.
warandhate
31-12-2005, 01:35
thats a good 420th post MrJim
What is CWE?
A CWE stands for cold water extraction, used to extract the active ingredient the person wants from lots of pharmacuticals.
http://www.neonjoint.com/drug_recipes/chapter11.html
Check here for an explantion and method.
after a car racing crash I was on 240 piss 10/325 for 8 months. I didn't have a problem with the physical withdrawls.
1) I drank heavily for two days
2) popped Imodium AD like candy.
I agree that the withdrawals from 3-4 vicodin a day shouldn't be that bad at least from a physical stand point. The mental addiction should be dealt with good diet, proper supplements and exercise. There will probably be some depression to deal with usually the same one that lead us to take the pills in the first place.
I was in a bad car wreck last year and destroyed my right shoulder. The Doctors wouldn't perscribe anything but Tylonal 3 so I went the online route (so easy to do) and a day later I had no pain and 240 Norco 10/325's. after 3 months I was doing 8 a day and knew it was a problem. I tried cold turkey and I was throwing up every hour for 3 hours and so I got the pills.
I used Krotom(sp) tea, Imodium AD, and drank heavily for 2 days.. on the third day I was hung over from the booze but the withdrawl was gone, I continued the Krom tea for 2 weeks. I was depressed for a few weeks.
Hydrocordone addiction is faily quick, before you knew it kinda thing but the withdrawl wasn't near as bad as when I quit smoking.
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ugh.. painful memories... VERY painful
as you can tell I use to smoke cannabis, I forgot I posted on this already lol!
allyourbase
06-02-2006, 22:03
6 months is your glory period for oral opiate use. to kill withdrawls use some form of barbituric acid. people say butalbital is best because it has a few carbon groups that fit opiate receptors. phenobarbitol will just halt the skids. I would advise against the use of benzodiazapines like xanax or valium though, as by the time your physical addiction to hydrocodone has fully been kicked youll have a whole new and far worse addiction to benzos.
sands of time
06-02-2006, 22:43
I see this post is getting back on track. Why is everyone so suprised that someone can live 1 year after being addicted to vikes? Acetaminophen is bad for your liver, and 1 year on it will cause problems for some people, but it's not a death sentance. You'd be suprised how much abuse the liver can take, and how quickly it can heal. I've seen people taking 6-7 vikes a day for a year with serious problems resulting though.
Vicodin withdrawals are not fun, I believe that has been established. They are not all that bad either, in comparison to many other addictions. There are many ways to relieve the withdrawal symptoms, and some have been listed here. I'll post the most successful methods which gave oedipus, my pet ostrich, the best results.
1) Pop imodium as Raedon said. All that opiate abuse has most likely left you in a state of great constipation. Once your sphincter awakens (and it will!), it is not going to be happy. You are going to be shitting like your prepping for a colonoscopy. All this movement of feces may make you nauseous, so the imodium will help by somewhat constipating you in much the same way opiates do. This will allow you to gradually allow yourself to shit in a humane manor.
2) Raedon also mentioned kratom. This is amuch better way to ease the withdrawals than by using methadone, mostly because methadone is serious overkill. Kratom will ease the symptoms, and it might even give you a little extra kick in terms of stimulation. It's all the craze in the world of pain pill poppers, because it's legal, effective, and not nearly as addictive. This means you can make a painless transition to kratom, and them stop using kratom with a fraction of the withdrawals.
3) Try using an OTC sleep aid that contains doxylamine succinate. This is one of the active ingredients in nyquil, and it is one of the best OTC sleep aids in my opinion. You may feel like a zombie the next morning, but your withdrawing from an opiate, thats how you probably feel anyways.
Diphenhydramine, the stuff in benadryl, is also a somewhat effective OTC sleep aid. Again, this stuff can leave you feeling like a zombie in the morning.
Melatonin seems to work for some people, but I dont trust it. It has never done a damn thing for me, and it's not regulated by the FDA. The only thing that the FDA seems to be useful for is making sure that the meds you buy contain the correct amount of the active ingredients. Since melatonin is not regulated, chances are many brands contain less of the active ingredient than listed, or none at all!
4) You probably don't have kratom available, so try reducing the dosage of vicodin each day, until your taking none. In my opinion, this method sucks because your just prolonging the withdrawals. You might as well get it over with now, while you still have the motivation.
Zaphod_1
07-02-2006, 17:13
:D Good humor, especially the re-awakening of the sphincter, (Swim can laugh about it now but it wasn't so amusing for him at that time). Swim stopped, cold turkey without Kratom or other substitutes.
Personally I hate the trazadone hangover, so when I mentioned this to the 60+ year old chief of the alcohol and narcotic withdrawal department at our local city hospital withdrawal unit, he said seroquel, that'll knock you out. He wasn't kidding. I've had insomnia for 20 years and have tried EVERYTHING (anti depressents, all the various insomnia meds - Ambien, Lunesta, etc.) and nothing came close to seroquel. It's basically what they give psychotics in the psych ward to calm them down, but at much higher dosages (300-400 mg). At lower dosages (25-50 mg's) it just knocks a "normal" person on their butt. Gives bad dry mouth and I've woken up 4-5 hours later to go to the bathroom, then laid back down and dozed another couple hours (miracle for me), but when no long-lasting hangover once you get awake. Definitely wouldn't recommend for long-term use, but for breakthrough insomnia or to knock yourself out to get through the "bad times", Seroquel is the way to go man. It's a dopamine AND serontonin (not selective) blocker. So basically it blocks all inputs and you're OUT.
I wouldnt suggest taking methadome man, withdrawls yea they suck but try to get ur self some trazadone and seroquel they should help a lot, and ur gonna sleep like shit, i'd by some melatonin, that will build the melatonin back up in ur body but it takes a while, so that wont work that great but still take it, and u know just take some regulare like benadryl or tylenol pm. and if u can get trazadone or seroquel they will help u sleep very well too, take the trazadone in the morning and the seroquel at night.
Sounds outrageous, but I believe it. Bret Favre (the "football player" mentioned below) was taking incredible amounts of hydrocodone a day (30-40 10mg pills, not sure what amount apap, but 325 is min mfr'd in class II.
I think it depends on how good of shape you are in otherwise. An obese person, and/or an alcoholic, either of whom may already have a fatty liver, may not be able to tolerate even the "max" of 4g a day (I've gone over that and had liver enzyme tests that were only slightly high, but I also know a lady in reasonable shape, but who drank a fair amount and stayed at the 4g of tylenol per day "limit", but ended up with scirrosis, one Doc says mostly 'cause of the apap).
So someone in very good shape, working out, taking other supplements, etc., may very well be able to take much higher amounts of apap without severely negative impacts. There are also medicines and herbs (supposedly milk thistle is good for liver -- I take it and was an alcoholic and heavy (legally prescribed) hydrocodone taker for a long time and like I said my enzyme levels were only slightly high (and I attribute most of that to the alcohol -- almost a liter of scotch a day - man, talk about withdrawals, they were IV-ing ativan into me with a firehose to try and get me leveled out by the time I finally cracked and checked in because I was literally dying (bp was 260/140 when they checked me in). FYI, I was surprised to find out that alcohol withdrawals are much more dangerous (life threatening) than narcotic withdrawals, not to minimize the latter, which are certainly a bad time, as I well know).
One thingn I'd recommend is movies, lots and lots of rentals. When SWIM went through withdrawals, he didn't have the patience to read, but he has a decent home theater setup and found that lying on the couch, constantly hydrating, and watching good sci-fi, action, and even romantic comedy's (you tend to be more "sensitive" during this time, SWIM can't believe how many romantic comedy's he cried at the end of). Vongo and movietime both have online services so if you have a laptop, you can lie in bed with your laptop connected to a high-speed internet connection and rent/watch movies at your liesure. Vongo is basically "Starz" -- 9.95 a month and you can watch as many movies as you can download (a very few are pay per view). Movielink is rental or purchase and has better selection, but you can spent $10 and watch a LOT of Vongo and get great value for the money.
Anyways, those are some of my experiences/helpers.
Wtf, well i dont think i beleive that either way, not only is that enough tylenol to kill someone in like 3 days or mabey even 1 (dont feel like doin the math), thats alot of god dam opiates. And CWE is cold water extraction, and for doing that much that HAS to be the only way shes still alive.
There i decided to do the math. 40 a day with minimum 300 mgs acetaminophen each is 12 grams of acetaminophen!! Pretty sure liver failure is at 8 grams. So i dont buy 40, let alone 80! thats outrageous.
Also, im not saying YOU are lying, but i doubt the sources you got that info from are completely true.
In the US you can get compounded formulations of Vicodin with as little as 80mgs of Tylenol. They are usually dispensed as 15/80.
Believe me 40 a day is definetly possible SWIM knows this first hand, however this is extremely reckless and the person doing it has numbered days if they don't stop soon. SWIM got started with Vikes which then lead to OCs and then Diesel, and ultimately Methadone. If SWIY has an addictive personality the best advice SWIM can give is stand clear of opiates all together, SWIY might like it a little too much.SWIM had no idea recreational use of Vicodin would turn into the huge problem that it did, but then again SWIY may have better self control than SWIM. The point of this message is just be careful
forget the methadone. it is a stronger opiod and will have worse withdrawals. just slowly taper down with the vicodin, and the withdrawals should subside within a week. they are gonna suck, but sleeping aids, immodium, proper nutrition, and maybe soem ant-anxiety medications will help. just don't take benzodiazepines for too long, for they too have withdrawals.