View Full Version : Dostinex (cabergoline) as a powerfull afrodisiac?
Who else has tried this. it is supposed to make you be able to have sex right after you've come.
had an expierence with no special results. anybody with more feedback pleasse?
strange_object
18-04-2005, 00:20
Bump, I have the same question, I've wanted to try cabergoline for a while but it's pretty expensive, don't know if it's worthwhile. Surprisingly it is hard to find user reports on it.. I figured a lot more people would've tried a drug that makes you able to have multiple orgasms.
Swim has tried Dostinex. She is a female and she also gave it to her male partner. They love it. This is how it works: It suppresses prolactin, which is secreted in women after childbirth and which totally suppresses the libido and is secreted in men after orgasm, making them not want anymore. With the prolactin suppressed however, instead of the libido being suppressed, several orgasms in a row can be achieved. Dostinex is also a dopamine agonist which means that it will increase dopamine levels and therefore increase libido.The effects of Dostinex can last for 3-4 days. The first day swim and her partner took it, he had 4 orgasms in a row and she had several. The second day, he had four more, the third day he had three and so on. It made them crazy for each other. It can be ordered from the official website and from the same website you can get 20 1mg tablets for the same price as 8 0.5 mg tabs. They come from Europe. They are worth every cent. A half a tab is supposed to be all you need, with the 0.5 or the 1 mg,and swim found that it works. Cialis can also be combined with it, if needed. Sometimes it takes more than one time trying Dostinex, as has been the experience with some of swim's friends. Usually by the second or third time, they love it, too. Who needs anything else?
joevette
07-07-2005, 21:23
I take it all the time. Two words: Multiple Orgasms!!!
PenguinPhreak
07-07-2005, 22:20
It appears to be perscription only, how were you able to obtain yours from the official site?
This is similar to bromo. These drugs reduce prolactin level in the body. Try vitex, it's over the counter and can work comparably to these drugs.
It is not prescription only. Swim has never sent in a script for it. Jo go to the site and order. It's that simple. Or put Dostinex in the search engine and there will be other sites that carry it as well.
lancelot
24-07-2005, 03:16
too expensive!
wingsofazrael
25-08-2005, 05:56
too expensive!
hell yeah it is...now if someone were able to procure dostinex powder, it would probably be cheaper...
WrtngCocaineTutorial
05-05-2006, 16:12
Hello!
Anyone with experience with dostinex?
Is it "all that"?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1949087.stm
kemistudent
05-05-2006, 16:19
This was originally published in 2002, if it does what it claims to do I think it would have become one of the most popular drugs ever.
"The drug, used to treat Parkinson's disease, has been found to raise a man's chances of sustaining multiple orgasms during sex."
Need I say more?
Anabolic Monkey
05-05-2006, 16:24
Hmm, I always used dostinex as a bodybuilding supplement, but I never even thought about it that way. Although it does make perfect sense now that I think about it.
WrtngCocaineTutorial
05-05-2006, 16:28
do you experience that it takes much shorter time to "reload the shotgun" when using dostinex?:cool:
WrtngCocaineTutorial
07-05-2006, 14:06
Let me rephrase that question:
did it shorten you refractory period. Or time to get an eretion again after you cum if you will. ? :cool:
gitst0opid
17-05-2006, 03:15
do you experience that it takes much shorter time to "reload the shotgun" when using dostinex?:cool:
"Subjects who took this drug had decreased prolactine levels, and reported their orgasm was better and there was a shorter refractory period.
WrtngCocaineTutorial
17-05-2006, 11:18
Yes I know that's what they claim :)
What I'm wondering is it anybody here who would support their statement after using it ..
Hell yes! Swim's man, aged 70 at the time, unloaded the shotgun 4 times in one day, 3 days in a row! Swim took it too and kept up with him and then some. Swim is 42. It works for women as well. It does exactly what it says it will do. It does raise testosterone levels and increase libido. Swiy will be obsessed.
Expensive yes, but 20 1 mg pills will last 6 months! Swiy doesn't have to take them all the time, as tolerance can build. Expense wise, get the 2 mg size and divide into 4 pieces, which makes (4) 0.5 mg doses. Since a half of a 0.5 mg tab is all that is usually required for it to work, swiy can then split each little piece with a partner. The cost of the 2mg size bottle, at 20 tabs per bottle, is a better value than getting a smaller size mg and will last a long time.
WrtngCocaineTutorial
07-08-2006, 13:54
Dostinex lowers the the amount of the "libido supressant" prolactin
MDMA promotes the release of prolactin ..
Has anyone tried mixing? :D
Although it will probably give a -1 +1 =0 reaction, it'd be interesting to know. Prolactin is released by the kidneys and has anti-stress effects.
Prolactin plays a major part in the psychoactive effects of 4-MTA, which besides the amphetamine type stimulation can give a feeling of specialty and relaxation.
Err, Alfa: Prolactin is released by the posterior pituitary, it is excreted by the kidneys ;)
That got me researching the difference between those terms. Nice to learn another thing.
WrtngCocaineTutorial
11-08-2006, 18:24
SWIM did some more research on high prolactin and sex. Not only does it decrease the sex drive, but it can also cause impotence, and unability to orgasm. If it's the same in practice as in theory it might take mdma sex to the next level :)
Smarthead
20-09-2006, 18:38
Dopamine agonists
Dopamine agonists have been around for many decades, and their pro-libido effect is well established. Apart from Dostinex, the assortment of dopamine agonists includes bromocriptine, pergolide, pramipexole, lisuride, apomorphine, and a few more.
Actually, apomorphine (brand name: Uprima) is sold in Europe as a medication for erectile dysfunction. But it's wrong marketing. Dopamine agonists don't work for erections as reliably as phosphodiesterase inhibitors. They work on libido. Therefore, Uprima typically is a disappointment for men whose problems are primarily vascular. I assume that Uprima is sold as a medication for erectile dysfunction mainly because erectile dysfunction meanwhile is an accepted medical condition, while low libido is not.
I have been using dopamine agonists for sexual enhancement for several years. And not only dopamine agonists.
To summarize my observation: while sildenafil citrate and yohimbine work on erections, and while elevating testosterone levels only is of a pro-sexual nature if it is done with tongkat ali extract, dopamine agonists are the agent of choice for enhancing sexual excitement, orgasm, and ejaculation.
Because dopamine agonists suppress the hormone prolactin, which in turn suppresses testosterone, dopamine agonists can, in people with elevated prolactin levels, function in the same way as a testosterone replacement therapy would. This most clearly happens in patients with pituitary cancer, which typically expresses itself in strongly elevated prolactin levels. Those afflicted by the disease have very low testosterone levels. Thus, for them, Dostinex and other dopaminergic agents work as hormonal therapy. The hormonal effects of Dostinex are less extreme in healthy subjects.
Dopamine agonists not only support sexual excitement; they also tend to enhance orgasm and make for a stronger ejaculation, though the ejaculation-enhancing effect is greater with tongkat ali, which can account for an additional half meter in ejaculatory range (and ejaculations on tongkat ali can feel like pellets, not fluid, moving through the urethra). Orgasms in general will be much more overwhelming.
But dopamine agonists also have their downsides. All the older ones can cause nausea. I myself cannot take L-dopa or lisuride. Nausea on these drugs is so severe that I want to see a nurse, rather than a girl, and only for medical purposes.
I have found a sure way to counteract the nausea caused by bromocriptine. But only cabergoline is completely nausea-free for me.
Smarthead
20-09-2006, 18:41
Dostinex in context
Dostinex is the drug with the greatest pro-sexual potential since Viagra hit the market in 1998. But it's very different from Viagra.
Viagra is a medication specifically for erectile dysfunction. It will do nothing for other aspects of good sexual function: libido (desire, arousal, excitement), orgasm, and ejaculation. Actually, according to my own experience, taking more Viagra than what would be one's ideal dose will interfere with the strength of orgasm and specifically ejaculation.
My own dose of Viagra is 25 mg. If I go to 50 mg, I will have, off and on for the next few hours, erections that last 15 to 30 minutes, almost without the need for sexual stimulation. They will even persist beyond orgasm. But orgasms in such a condition are rather weak, probably because the parasympathetic nervous system is just too dominant. While during erections, the parasympathetic nervous system is in control, orgasm is a major sympathetic event.
Erections and libido are interconnected, but they are also amazingly independent from each other. Erections are, to some 80 percent, a matter of the vascular system. When the parasympathetic nervous system is in control, blood flow is directed to internal functions such as digestion, as well as to reproductive availability (the facilitation of erections). Partially, this works through the regulation of the adrenergic system (epinephrine and norepinephrine, which, at the same time, work as hormones and neurotransmitters). Adrenergic impact usually causes vascular constriction (making erections impossible). Yohimbine is a peripheral alpha-2-adrenergic receptor blocker, which means that it prevents the adrenergic hormones' effects on alpha-2-adrenergic receptors, which are mainly located in the abdominal and genital areas. If the vasoconstrictive impulse of adrenergic hormones in the abdominal and genital areas is inhibited, erections happen with ease.
However, we have to be aware that in complex biological systems such as the human body, there are usually alternative avenues to achieve a desired effect. The efficacy pathway of sildenafil citrate is very different from that of yohimbine.
Sildenafil citrate (Viagra) works on an enzymatic level. It suppresses the enzyme phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE5), which naturally occurs in erectile tissue. Phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE5) breaks down the body chemical known as cyclic GMP. Cyclic GMP is produced during arousal and causes muscular and vascular changes, which lead to an erection. Men who don't produce a sufficient amount of cyclic GMP will have problems achieving an erection, and men with high levels of the enzyme phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE5) will have problems maintaining one. In both cases, sildenafil citrate provides a solution by keeping phosphodiesterase type 5 in check.
All of this has nothing to do with libido (desire, arousal, and excitement), orgasm, and ejaculation.
Libido is, not totally but to a certain extend, dependent on testosterone, kept in a fine balance with a number of other hormones. When I succeed, for example with tongkat ali extract, to elevate testosterone, my sexual fantasies are more daring, and they occur at a higher frequency. Tongkat ali, and the higher levels testosterone caused by it, also contribute to keeping me focused during intercourse, but I don't think that testosterone alone is the determining factor in libido overall.
The most dramatic effect of elevating testosterone (by tongkat ali or through other means) is seen in men who have clinically low testosterone levels, caused by non-functioning testes or pituitary tumors.
However, in men in whom impotence is caused by problems of the vascular system in the genital area, and not by endocrine insufficiencies, a phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitor will work much better than testosterone therapy.
However, the diagnosis of impotence in aging men is usually obscured by the fact that there is a parallel decline of a number of bodily functions. For example, men with vascular problems may also have low testosterone levels. While declining testosterone levels may play a role in us becoming less healthy as we age, it is not that low testosterone levels are the direct cause of vascular problems in the male genital area. The two syndromes just tend to emerge at around the same time.
A lack of capability to achieve an erection, or generally weak erections, are the symptoms by which the affected male usually defines impotence. Which is why "erectile dysfunction" is a more precise term for the condition he primarily wants ameliorated.
Viagra can take care of the erectile dysfunction. But then, many men complain that while on Viagra, they, thank you, can have erections all right, but sex still is not the same as it was in their 20's. They become aware of the fact that their libido, too, isn't what it used to be.
Working on one's testosterone levels can have a distinct positive effect on libido, but not all possible methods work equally well. My own experience with direct testosterone replacement therapy (Andriol, Proviron) as well as an indirect approach via the hypothalamus and pituitary glands (clomiphene, anastrozole) is that it is hard indeed to differentiate whether all of this does any good. For me, the only approach that definitely couples a raise in testosterone levels with enhanced libido, has been tongkat ali extract. But then, tongkat ali is a natural compound with hundreds of chemical ingredients, and it is not as completely researched as, for example, sildenafil citrate. It may just be that tongkat ali contains "magic" ingredients that have other, additional effects, not just the one of elevating testosterone.
The connection between testosterone and libido is also not as obvious as the one between Viagra and erections. It's not that one could just apply some testosterone (as gel, patch, or injection) or take a medication that activates testosterone synthesis, and an hour later, one would be ready with heightened libido. If you do take medications to elevate testosterone levels, you can never be quite sure whether and when an effect will kick in. On a regular regimen of testosterone elevation, there may be situations, randomly occurring, when sexual fantasies will, rather suddenly, occupy one's mind. But it cannot be planned when this will happen, and unfortunately, it may not happen during times when one would think that the situation is right for it.
I do not doubt that elevating testosterone has an anabolic effect. Proviron (toxic to the liver) and tongkat ali can make for quicker muscle gains during a weight exercise program, and help with body fat control. And for men grossly deficient in testosterone (hypogonadism), rectifying testosterone supply can be a great help for sexual function. But as a treatment for standard, age-related impotence, or for plain sexual enhancement, just supplying the body directly with testosterone (e.g. with testosterone patches) has practically no value.
Try another approach.
Libido is a mental and neural affair. And while hormones such as testosterone do work on the frame of mind for sex, we have to be aware that evolution has designed humans as an animal species that is primarily guided by sensual input (mainly sights and sounds) and the cognitive processing of this sensual input.
Which is why the right kind of cognitive processing has the greatest potential to positively affect libido. That sounds like a job for a psychologist. But going to the shrink may not be the right move. The function of psychologists in modern society is to make us good members of this society, so that we won't cause any problem, neither to public security, nor to the public health system. It's not their aim to make us ready to pursue the ultimate sexual experience, as this may, when multiplied by hundreds or thousands of men, result in all kinds of social and public health problems. The shrink will condition you to be a monogamous family man, not a wild playboy.
I guess that most of us have clear evidence from own experience on how the right sensual input and the right cognitive processing work wonders on libido. Usually, new sensual signals are more powerful than repeat signals. Which is why our libido usually is stronger when with a new partner. Also, forbidden sensual input, and cognitive awareness that it is forbidden, have a stronger impact on libido than sanctioned or routine sensual input. Which is why, so often, boredom rules conjugal bedrooms.
Need an example for the libido power of cognitive processing? Take jealousy. It's all just perceptions. No medication, no therapy needed.
If your wife loves, or makes love with, another man, your blood will rage, and you will want to establish your rights by sexual penetration. Just imagine how she goes along in bed with her lover, and your ears will feel hot, and your loins ready.
Because jealousy has such a profound effect on libido, and because heightened libido is such a gratifying state of mind, I have been working for years on my own personal strategy of supplying just the right amount of jealousy to my daily love life. This, of course, requires a special kind of relationship. It's not sufficient that my partners give me reason to be jealous by having, or having had, relationships with other men. I must also first perceive a particular partner as my property. Which means that I will have to invest in her, mentally and probably also economically.
But then, I would not want to do so with just any girl with whom I may have casual sexual intercourse. I also have to be free from other close personal relationships. If I do want to harvest the positive effects of well-dosed jealousy, the person who makes me jealous will have to be the main focus of my love life. Which, in turn, is why it is difficult to be made jealous by more than one woman at a particular period of time.
Jealousy is strong medicine. It can raise libido to previously unknown levels. It's great for sexual enhancement. If only we were able to control its supply to our minds in the same way as we can control the supply of Viagra to our bodies.
Close your eyes and imagine your wife loving, and making love with, another man. Don't feel anything? The point is, you can't deceit your cognitive apparatus. Your mind cannot be aware of a perceived unfaithfulness of your wife just because you willfully want to perceive it. It won't work. It will have to be real. And when it's real, then too, it can be out of control.
Isn't there a simpler method? A pill to swallow for better libido.
Sure, there is. Try Dostinex (generic name: cabergoline). Or, in a broader sense: dopamine agonists.
Dostinex is a new drug. But dopamine agonists have been around for many decades, and their pro-libido effect is well established. Apart from cabergoline, the assortment of dopamine agonists includes bromocriptine, pergolide, pramipexole, lisuride, apomorphine, and a few more. Actually, apomorphine (brand name: Uprima) is sold in Europe as a medication for erectile dysfunction.
But it's wrong marketing. Dopamine agonists don't work for erections as reliably as phosphodiesterase inhibitors. They work on libido. Therefore, Uprima typically is a disappointment for men whose problems are primarily vascular. I assume that Uprima is sold as a medication for erectile dysfunction mainly because erectile dysfunction meanwhile is an accepted medical condition, while low libido is not.
I have been using dopamine agonists for sexual enhancement for several years. And not only dopamine agonists.
To summarize my observation: while sildenafil citrate and yohimbine work on erections, and while elevating testosterone levels has an effect only when I do it with tongkat ali extract, dopamine agonists are the agent of choice for enhancing libido and orgasm. (Latest research has indicated that tongkat ali not only elevates testosterone but also works as a dopamine agonist; this explains why it is so much better for sexual enhancement than just plain testosterone.)
Because dopamine agonists (including tongkat ali) suppress the hormone prolactin, which in turn suppresses testosterone, dopamine agonists can, in people with elevated prolactin levels, function in the same way as a testosterone replacement therapy would. This most clearly happens in patients with pituitary cancer, which typically expresses itself in strongly elevated prolactin levels. Those afflicted by the disease have very low testosterone levels. Thus, for them, Dostinex and other dopaminergic agents work as hormonal therapy. The hormonal effects of Dostinex (cabergoline) are less extreme in healthy subjects.
Dopamine agonists not only strongly support libido; they also tend to enhance orgasm and make for a stronger ejaculation (as does tongkat ali extract).
But dopamine agonists have their downsides. All the older ones can cause bad nausea. (The newly discovered fact that tongkat ali has dopaminergic effects also explains the hot-headedness experienced by many tongkat ali users).
I have found a way to counteract the nausea caused by bromocriptine and apomorphine. But only cabergoline and tongkat ali are completely nausea-free for me.
Here is the molecular structure of cabergoline(dostinex):
1303
More experiences with dostinex would be more than welcome. This seems like a very interesting compound.
mick mouse
25-10-2006, 03:58
SWIM went to his local doctor with the claim of "lowered libido" and was hoping to get apomorphine or dostinex. Instead, SWIM got testosterone injections! No result in yet on multiple orgasms, but SWIMs workouts show HUGE results!
Wow. SWIY has got a hard core doc! Watch your hair decline(no on SWIY's head), penis shrinkage and agression level though.
WrtngCocaineTutorial
31-10-2006, 10:09
too expensive!
without going into specifics; this does NOT have to be true!
SWIM has recently bought them for almost nothing online. Do some searching!
But I gotta agree, if SWIY looks at "the first and best", then it's robbery in broad daylight
SWIM has cabergoline now, but he don't have any MDMA to try to mix with. They don't sell MDMA where he lives. it's only here for special occations, like when it's raves etc..
swim would be so interested in hearing about people mixing, especially those who feel MDMA and sex is not such a good combo.:
Ok, here it is for those wanting reports on mixing MDMA and Dostinex: SWIM has done this and it sure alleviates the problem of more difficulty having orgasms. In fact, SWIM says it enhances MDMA. It's true that dostinex is more expensive but when the MDMA wears off, the dostinex is still effective for 2-3 more days. So if SWIM were to use the Dostinex for such special occasions, it would end up being worth it. It also helps with any comedowns as it also functions as an antidepressant. It only takes half of a 0.5 mg pill to be effective. However, SWIM has had a few male friends who didn't have a noticeable effect until AFTER the third pill. Maybe another couple of doses in such a case would help.
WrtngCocaineTutorial
04-11-2006, 10:00
When SWIY was using MDMA alone, did swiy feel like having sex on it?
The dostinex works for a long time, but please tell at what time the dostinex tablet was ingested compared to the mdma.
" However, SWIM has had a few male friends who didn't have a noticeable effect until AFTER the third pill. Maybe another couple of doses in such a case would help."
wow. how many mg's are those pills?
SWIm has read some "conflicting" stuff about dostinex, where one place it's recommended to take them twice a week, and another every third day. How long time was it between the tablets your friends took?
So if SWIM were to use the Dostinex for such special occasions, it would end up being worth it.
This implies occasional use. Not daily use. 1 dose that's all.
Definitely not daily use, as tolerance can build. 1 dose every now and then should be enough to keep things interesting and 1 dose lasts 3 days. SWIM could take it when time was not going to be in short supply! The first day of use is the most intense and it gradually declines from there until the third or fourth day. By then, SWIM might want to take a rest, depending on how active those 3 or 4 days had been :).
The tablets come in 0.5 mg, 1 mg, 2mg, and 4 mg. SWIM took a 1 mg tablet about 4 hours before the MDMA because it takes about 3 1/2 hours for the dostinex to take effect. However, the effects aren't actually felt until sexual activity has begun. Yes, SWIM does feel like having sex with just the MDMA by itself but orgasms are harder to achieve. Dostinex can be taken every 3rd day, which averages twice a week but tolerance will build with that schedule. SWIM uses it conservatively, not only because of expense, but to keep tolerance down as well. SWIM's male friends took a couple of doses 3 days apart to start with and the 3rd dose worked just as it was supposed to. SWIM is not sure why it took longer for those particular males but this is not true of all males. A male friend, aged 64, recently ordered a bottle of the 1 mg size and reported that his libido was VERY high, orgasm was more intense, lasted longer, and the threshold, the point right before orgasm when it is feeling real good, was extended, and there was more sensitivity. This particular male friend also had to take more than one dose to get the full effect.It is not recommended to take more than 1 mg at the time as SWIM's husband took a 2 mg tablet the first time and spent the 3 days being nauseated and throwing up instead of pursuing sexual activity. He was also real sleepy. SWIM also took a 2 mg tablet and had slight nausea and major drowsiness. A word of caution: read the enclosed information that comes with the pills. People who are on blood pressure medication should be cautious as Dostinex can lower blood pressure some. SWIM's husband passed out briefly from that but he is also on blood pressure medication. When Dostinex is not combined with something like MDMA, Buspar can be used to lower the orgasmic threshold, if either partner has a problem achieving orgasm. Buspar makes it so that less stimulation is required to reach orgasm. This is not recommended for "quick-draws" who may have the opposite problem. Buspar is a member of the same family as Wellbutrin and therefore works on the dopamine system, which in turn works on libido. Cialis or Viagra can also be included in the mix for the male when not combined with MDMA, if needed.
Swim would like to add a new supplement to use with Dostinex. It is NO2 and can be gotten at health food centers and the like. This supplement, used by bodybuilders, as well as anyone wanting the benefits, does several things. SWIM finds it makes hair shinier and skin blemish free. It pumps up the muscles and, in men, pumps up one other particular muscle as well. Swim's man reported that it gave him an erection, with no effort on his part. Since NO2 is a hemodilator and therefore enlarges blood vessels, it seems to work like Viagra does, by increasing blood flow where it is needed. But the ladies are not left out, as it also increases bloodflow where it is needed for them also :). The dose goes according to body weight, for both males and females.
Lots of interesting info here.....my head is swimming!!! And no drugs.
Here is SWIMs problem. They are a couple. He is 49, she is 25ish. She has no trouble reaching orgasm through masturbation, mutual or otherwise. He has no problem getting and maintaining an erection. Sometimes a little too quick for his liking but no complaints from her. (He always sorts her out first....so she says....sensitive bugger)
She has low sex drive and would be happy with twice a month, always enjoys it but just doesn't fancy it often. He can't get enough of his beautiful young wife.
So, they asked if taking viagra, for him to maintain erection for l o n g periods and her to increase pleasure and want it for l o n g periods, would work? And if so what dosage. Apparently they have 50mg tabs.
Would taking Dostinex have a benefit for both? SWIM says they found it on a website in Eurpoe that is not too expensive. If so what dose?
Yohimbe looks like its too hard to sort out and ensure not taking too much....correct?
Is Dostinex the same as Cabergooine?
Is there anything that would delay ejaculation a little.....but keep erection? SWIM guesses thats a combination!!!???
Buspar? Tongkat Ali???
SWIM just wants to try stuff and have fun........ MDMA is out as SWIMs partner has random drug tests (for safety critical reasons). As is any illegal drug.
SWIM wondered if there is anyeasy way to get Tongkat Ali....is tghe pain of finding, ordering etc worth the benefit.
And wow betsym......you seem to know people who have done it all....so perhaps you can help.... (i have a non drug question for ya too if i can pm you)
Thanks
eManN
Thanks, Malnik, Swim does know a few folks, mainly swim's guinea pigs who know and trust swim, and of course swim herself, who is heavy into research and believes in doing extensive studies. Now, Viagra (Cialis would be better because it lasts for 36 hours) would help swiy maintain an erection as would Dostinex. Swim would not give viagara to a female. Dostinex will enhance the libido of both men and women, intensify orgasm, prolong the threshold (the real sensitive-going-to-blow-any-second feeling right before you do), and make multiple orgasms possible for BOTH partners. If swiy has a problem with premature ejaculation, swiy does not want to take Buspar because it will lower the orgasmic threshold, which means swiy will need less stimulation to climax and that will make swiy quicker on the trigger. Since Dostinex will allow a man to have more orgasms at closer intervals, that may not be a problem. The Buspar will be good for the female because it works on the dopamine and will increase her sex drive, especially combined with Dostinex. Swim uses a small amount of prescription Testosterone gel a few times a month. Swiy's wife would have to have her testosterone levels checked before a doctor would prescribe it to her for low libido. Older males can get Testosterione if their levels are low or their sex drive is low.Swim does not have low libido but uses it for enhancement ( of appetite ) as she is a little on the underweight side. There is also a testosterone patch coming out just for women. Dostinex is also called cabergoline. The dose for dostinex would be half a 0.5 mg tab on up tp a whole 1 mg tab. Don't go over that dosage as sleepiness and nausea can occur. Swim's husband took a whole 2mg tab and was sick for 3 days and had a fainting spell due to drop in blood pressure. It is best not to take Dostinex if swiy is on blood pressure medication, as swim's hubby is. One of swim's male friends also had a couple of blackouts after taking 1 1/2 tabs of Dostinex. Just be careful when getting up from a sitting or prone position and it should be fine. Swim has never had a problem herself. Be sure and read the precautions that come with the medication. Swim has tried Yohimbe but found it way too stimulating, with increased heart rate and agitation. Swim has also used , and continues to use,NO2, a hemodilator sold at nutrition centers or weight building centers, and swim's male friends all say it gives them erections and it did the same for swim's S.O. It also gave swim stimulation in the groin area as well so works for females too. In fact, it works much the same way that Viagara does but lasts longer. Since NO2 dilates blood vessels, there is more blood flow to the muscles, including the ONE.The only thing swim knows of right now that would delay ejaculation but maintain erection is opiates but that isn't an option for everyone. However, Kratom, a natural-growing plant from Thailand, which works like an opiod and is completely legal. It binds to the the opioid receptors in the brain but is not as addicting as opioids are. A little is all swiy needs for an opiod effect. It is expensive but getting the super-strength kind will make it last for a long time. Tongkat Ali can easily be gotten. P.M. me and swim will tell swiy where. Swim has not personally tried Tong Kat Ali but has read it is synergistic with Dostinex. It is said to help with erections. As swiy may know, MDMA does delay orgasm, for both partners, while at the same time making genitals more sensitive. Swim found a few creams that can be applied to genitals of both partners that are both stimulating and a little numbing, which helps delay orgasm somewhat. Swim enjoys giving and receiving infromation and loves research. Swim is all about the enhancement of absolutely EVERYTHING, be it mind, body, or soul. She would love to find all natural ways of feeling good and maintaining natural highs, even if it means inventing her own. Since the sex drive is the drive behind everything else, that seems like a good place to start. :)
swim will be experimenting with tongkat ali. Will be posting more on this in the future, but so far experiences with cabergoline were interesting.
no effect on the nature of orgasms, not stronger, no spontaneous arousal, no multi-oragsmic response. swim has been "controlling" ejaculations since he was 16, meaning that reaching a climax implies a motivated decision to do so, it is not spontaneous and never accidental... intercourse can last as long as swim and swim's partner wants it to-as long as swim stays aroused/erect, but can sometimes difficult to climax after a very long session- all this to say that he cannot speak on wether or not the molecule lengthens the pre-climax period or not.
what was truly noticable was the effect on swim's arousal---it was amazing, a kind of almost helpless animal urge, pretty similar of swim's early teenage arousals...swim wanted to get into his partner, smell and eat her, could not get enough of touch, taste smell...this was really something. Swim can get very aroused normally, but the arousal is more a mental one, whereas this was real physical urge as well as mental, the kind of enebriated whirlpool of sensations one can fall into, a real connection with more instinctive-like sensations - not about grunting and howling but really a need to smell absorb grab etc....weheee
swim was the only one testing, for side-effect appreciation reasons...will try a duet experience in the future
interesting substance... too bad it's so nasty on the ventricules...
b
PLEASE READ- A WARNING
Hi everyone, I have been perusing this wonderful forum for a couple of days now and have restrained from posting (save that that which is in intro) with questions or experiences until I get more familiar with this place. But I do feel I need to pass on some info that may be important.
SWIM many months ago came across on the internet the above mentioned benefits of this drug cabergoine when researching dopamine agonist in gerneral. He did some research regarding dose and scheduling. Found a reasonable price on some site - (think 4mg) - factor in low dose required/recommended (1mg-?, twice a week). Seemed pretty cool drug to him. He thought it might be something of a antideppresant/sexual enhancer in one. Other things distracted him, so he forgot about it for awhile until he heard that very same drug (used for Parkinson's patients) were giving some patients (30%) heart valve problems. They didn't mention what the average dose for these patients were. But when SWIM heard this on his radio he no longer found any immediate interest until more info was obtain. Haven't even done a google search since then. In fact forgot all about it until running across this post.
I didn't google (I am betting there is more info out there) before posting this. I just clicked on my NPR link and then did a search so I could hear it again and paste the link for SWIY who might be considering trying this or have already been. --Benga mentioned something about ventricules, but I didn't notice anyone else talking about this (however I did a fast skim of this thread).
I hate to be the bearer of scary news. Hopefully, there was another contributing factor regarding the Park patients- and maybe their dosage was much higher/and daily. -- It appears some SWIYs have been experimenting for awhile.
I was going to search the net first before posting, but figured I should first put up this link. And others can maybe find out more on this drug. -
OK, I have tab browsing so I decided to do a quick google of - cabergoline dangers- A lot comes up. I got a lot to do before I go to work, otherwise I would have looked more into this before posting. But here is a link to the NPR archive audio. I suggest listening (there is more - MDMA) as well as reading the link. And of course more researching.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6718704
I will check back later (?)(I have been working every day- last and next week- all day tomorrow)
Take care.
Hey Buzzard, thanks for passing that on. I was researching reports on cabergoline on various Internet user forums and websites a few weeks ago myself, and I found that: 1) This drug seems to have some pretty serious side effect potential (I hadn't read about the heart valve problem though); and 2) A lot of people who've tried it do not report any positive effect for sex.
So I am happy to hear that a couple of people here have tried it and liked it, but I am not getting my hopes up too much. I hope more members will come across this thread and add more info on their experiences with cabergoline.
PLEASE READ- A WARNING
I didn't google (I am betting there is more info out there) before posting this. I just clicked on my NPR link and then did a search so I could hear it again and paste the link for SWIY who might be considering trying this or have already been. --Benga mentioned something about ventricules, but I didn't notice anyone else talking about this (however I did a fast skim of this thread).
I hate to be the bearer of scary news. Hopefully, there was another contributing factor regarding the Park patients- and maybe their dosage was much higher/and daily. -- It appears some SWIYs have been experimenting for awhile.
Take care.
don't worry you're not the beared of scary news, this info was already relayed in this same thread by Bettsym and also in other independent threads of warning a few months back.
yes there's very little info on the correlation between the valve issues and the frequency of use. Parkinson patients would probably be taking a daily dose. Recreational users would be taking a pill / half a pill every now and then, for a enhanced experience. for swim it doesn't affect the nature of climaxes, but it does increase some kind of change in libido itself, which is interesting.
tongkat ali extract is a letdown so far, which is why swim hasn't reported on it since mentioning it.
b
SWIM has been experimenting with cabergoline for the past 3 weeks in order to see if it has any positive sexual effects for him. He has been taking 0.5mg every 3 or 4 days.
Here's the summary: For the first 3 days he felt kind of sick from it. For the next couple of days he felt like there might have been some heightening of his libido. For the past couple of weeks he has felt nothing at all, either positive or negative.
From the reports I have read, the 3 most commonly reported positive sexual effects for men from cabergoline are: 1) Shortened refractory period 2) Ability to last longer and with more pleasure before orgasm 3) More intense orgasms
SWIM definitely has not felt either no. 1 or no. 2, unfortunately. As for no. 3, he thinks there may have been some change in the sensation of his orgasms a couple of times, but nothing dramatic.
Note that over the past few weeks, SWIM has also had some other drug experiences, including Ecstasy and methylone....since these also have a (mostly negative) effect on libido, his cabergoline trials have not exactly been controlled experiments. (But for the person who was asking whether cabergoline can offset the effects of MDMA, the answer looks like "no".)
Here is SWIM's experience from the past 3 weeks in a bit more detail.
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DAY 1:
Take 0.5mg Dostinex (cabergoline) shortly before going out on a Friday night. Within an hour, SWIM had a slight feeling of dizziness/drowsiness, so he only had about 1 alcoholic drink. He ended up doing E later that night and attempting sex. Unable to do so because of the infamous "limp noodle" effect of MDMA. The cabergoline did not seem to help at all for this.
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DAY 4:
SWIM takes his second 0.5mg Dostinex pill. He logged the following that day about his experience:
Within 30 minutes I felt some effects. Kind of a strange feeling, hard to describe. Slight lightness in the head and it felt like my right hand wanted to curl up. While my fingers were resting on the keyboard it felt like they wanted to curl inward, although they did not actually do so. Kind of a scary feeling. Stomach also began to hurt slightly. Overall, not a pleasant feeling, but not too bad.
I did not really feel any increase in sexual arousal, but because I was feeling effects of some kind from the drug, I decided to watch a porn DVD. That activity ended rather soon (within 10 min.) with the usual finish, which was good, but no better than would normally be expected, given that I had not climaxed for several days. BTW, no effect on hardness of erection was noted. (normal hardness)
After that the main feeling noted was one of drowsiness and a desire to go take a nap. No real desire to have another go with watching the porn DVD.
I go to bed early, but despite the drowsiness, I cannot sleep well. I also feel slightly nauseated. Body has become slightly uncomfortable.
This is shaping up to be a drug with no pro-sexual effects whatsoever for me, but plenty of negative side effects. Perhaps the dosage was too high after all. I will go back to 0.25mg in 4 days from now and work up more slowly.
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DAY 6
The negative effects tailed off, so SWIM decided to keep with the 0.5mg dosage instead of backing off to 0.25mg. So SWIM took his third 0.5mg pill on this day. No effects noted.
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DAY 7
SWIM had some really good, intense sexual fantasies on this day. Also, the physical feeling of masturbation was...different. Can't really explain. It was not necessarily better or worse, it just felt different.
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DAY 8
Another Friday night. Not time for another cabergoline pill yet. SWIM took some methylone on this night and had a negative experience, and it left him in a funk for the next few days.
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After that, SWIM continued the regimen of 0.5mg every 3 or 4 days, but there's not really much to report because SWIM has just felt normal as far as sex drive goes. Over the past 3 weeks he's had sex with a partner about 4 times and never noticed any positive effect from the cabergoline. The only time he thought he noticed a positive effect was with the solo fantasy experience noted above on Day 7.
So SWIM is not really sure what to do at this point about the dosage. He has been taking 0.5mg every 3 or 4 days because that is the dosage recommended for people who are taking it in order to lower prolactin levels.
SWIM plans to take 1.0mg tonight and have sex with a partner. Will report back...
SWIM plans to take 1.0mg tonight and have sex with a partner. Will report back...
Further to the post above, SWIM did take a 1mg dose on Friday night. He had sex about 4 or 5 hours after taking the cabergoline but reported that it had no discernible effect on the sex. He did wake up feeling unusually energized the next morning after having only about 5 hours of sleep, but it didn't last throughout the day. (Got tired and had to take a nap in the afternoon.)
So, SWIM has now called an end to his cabergoline trials. He may at some later time try taking an individual dose before sex, but he doubts that he will ever again try taking it on a regular basis.
So unfortunately cabergoline was a complete bust for SWIM. I hope others have better results with it, and please post your findings if you do.
long shot comment, but unless I missed it somewhere, i think Smarthead forgot to add that the author of the articles he pasted is Serge Kreutz. not a great fan of the guy but let's not forget to give credit when it's due.
b
Jason132435
22-12-2007, 09:00
This thread is a little old. Is this Dostinex still available or have they came out with something even better? Back in my Meth days, I used to have killer orgasms that lasted 10x longer than normal ones. Is this kinda down the same lines as what Dostinex will do to you?
Appreciate any response.