Best sleeping pill?

[bubaloo]

What do you think is the number one sleeping pill?

[korky8097]

well americas number one perscribed is ambein ha. In personal
experience, me being a chronic insomniac, the best i have tried was
probably ambein. Thats if you are only counting things made for
sleep, otherwise i would say this seroquil (anti psychotic), or vals
(benzo). The one with the best results as in side effects,
hangover the next day, and effects (recreational) would be
ambein. Even though i have some crazy ambein mishaps. What
do you mean though as in best sleeping pill for fun, or best for
sleep? I answered best for sleep.

[mark_v]

For me , it's Zopiclon.

Never liked Ambien, made me feel all weird and have freaky dreams and shit..

Zopiclon is a great sleeping pill and fun for recreational use IMO.

[Nahbus]

Ambien is good, but I always felt groggy the next day.

Right now I'm perscribed a bunch of seroquel. This helps me sleep,
along with other problems. It feels like "real" sleep, too. And I'm
very refreshed in the morning.

[korky8097]

i too am on seroquel right now and i agree it works good. Just
got it perscribed a few days ago so i cant really speak from too much
experience. I never felt tired with ambein the next day thought,
but i guess thats just me.

[asystole]

Zopiclone is great, minus the metal taste the next day... three 7.5mg knocks me on my ass fast. I have a chat log and in 9 minutes I went from totally comprehensible conversation to mashing the keyboard trying to talk about my dreams I was having (I was having micronaps and waking up and trying to tell what I dreampt about but it was just garbled crap)

[korky8097]

damn that stuff sounds good. I might ask my doc about that if i
find my sleep med isnt for me. How is the following morning,
drowsy? I need a sleep aid that will make me wake up refreshed
and alert, because about 30 minutes after i wake up it's lifting time.

[asystole]

It definately makes you tired the next day.. the half life is quite long. Also, it's not available in the states... well legally anyways.

[indjuwandjuwa]

diazepham & melatonin for me!


Not sure ifit is goodcombo for that get psychotic episodes. Melatonin does not connect with the dopamine receptors - but do not know if it triggers a cascade of other hormones that then eventually will trigger more dopmine release - so something to look into before trying - or take it up with your psychiatrist.

[Gahaba22]

I think ambien has the best after effects profile. What I mean of course is the best LACK of hangover effects if what you really want is just to sleep. I really don't see Ambien as a recreational drug

[Mike177]

Another Vote for ambean. It is the best non-benzo sleep aid. or at least thats what i think

[Mike177]

If you feel tierd the next day make sure you get a good 8+ hours of sleep. other sleep aids like Sonata work for around 4 hours so it will get you asleap but wont keep you asleap as long. it also dosent work as well for getting you to sleep as ambean eather, but i think it dose a good enouph job. you cant really tell the diffrence on quallity of getting to sleep between 10mg ambean and 20-30mg sonata other than sonata takes awile to kick in.

[presence]

Trazodone: 300 mg, Trimiptrimine: 300 mg, Oxazepam: 60 mg, Seroquel: 100 mg.


Seroquel works the quickest, however, Oxazepam is the only drug out of the four that I have found that can actually provide you with a recreational high. Personally I love Oxazepam, but my doctor is reluctant to prescribe it.

[GreyApple]

take about 2 millagrams of lorzapam and nock you out

[Piglet]

The most powerful hypnotic still in use is clomethiazole AKA
hemineverin. It's a glycine receptor agonist rather than a GABA
agonist. Downside is histamine release. Upside is it feels like
your drunk!

[cartex12]

i love ambien it is a great drug 30 mg fuckes me up hardcore.

when i run out of weed that is usually the first thing i turn to for a
good night. also i think the wierd dreams that ambien gives me are fun,
they are one of my favorite things about ambien.

[tinogsx]

1. Rohypnol(ya we know its not not legal in most of the world). its pretty dam effective in my book.


2. Lunesta (new but works for me)


3. Clonazapam


4. Phenibut


5.Stillnox/ambien


6. GHB/GBL

[dizco]

i have a question does anyone use script pills to bring u down while u been partying all weekend....i was wondering if anyone delt with halcyon aka triazolam....i need to come down fast....thanks

[unico_walker]

1.GHB, works incredibly well and it doesn't feel like a deliriant just
a slow euphoric nudging to sleep if you keep the dose low, you wake up
feeling like a million bucks. Very natural feeling, not like a drug at
all.



2.Phenibut, relaxes you so you're able to go to sleep naturally, this
will not put you down you have to be willing to try and sleep.

[NS29]

GHB! My favorite incredible sleeping aid.. no hangover and it works real quick.

Only accident i had with it, resulted from measuring my regular dose
from a glass which was standing at my desk for about a week.. OPEN!

Half the water must have had evaporated. Woke up flat on the stairs 5 hours later http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif

Some people seem to find it addictive but i never had any problems with that.

[unico_walker]

If GHB was commercially sold in pressed tablets, perhaps the non sodium
forms which aren't hydroscopic you would not see so many problems with
accidental OD.



How is valerian root? Anyone used it?

[beebopfatboy]

VALERIAN ROOT SUCKS BALLS

[Sektor]

Zopiclone is good shit

[sourcream]

i have a polyneuropathy called guillian-barre swim possibly contracted
from heroin use. it is an auto-immune disease which means, bascially,
my immune system attacked my nerves to the point where i have no
sensation. its been a long road but everyday my nerves feel a bit
better.



last night after snorting up all my ambiens, i was forced to take a
seroquel 100 for sleep. it worked great for one hour but i was woke up
with sensation shooting up the right side of my body. i felt the worst
i have since ive gotten sick, almost to the point i wanted to go to the
emergency room, but what the hell would they have done for me though,
so i didn't go. if you're one of the 100,000 that becomes ill with an
auto-immune disease jesus don't take seroquel

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[marleysherb]

Most peeps use benzo's for sleep. Ambien isn't technically a benzo, but
it also works for some. Lunesta gave me a bad taste. horrid. Right now
I use xanax to sleep and for panic attacks/anxiety disorder. Works
great at 6mg's a day. I usually take only 1/2 mg when I'm home all day,
but it does put me to sleep at 1mg. Usually I eat to make the effect
less "groggy". Just my insite.

[wearestardust]

Personally I find that the 'Z' drugs are too quick to build up tolerance. The same can be said of the true benzos, but if you rotate 15mg Flormidal brand midazolam and 2mg flunitrazepam, ensuring at least two med-free nights per week you should have no probs and regain a normal sleep pattern. My overall favourite is definitely FLORMIDAL 15mg.
W.A.Stardust

[YeOldeLobster]

SWIM is on 400mg seroquel queitapine for his bipolar, he finds that taking that and some diazepam, knocks him out, the quetiapine makes his eyes blur and then just fall asleep, and the diazepam just sends him into slow hibernation

[wearestardust]

The most powerful hypnotic still in use is clomethiazole AKA
hemineverin. It's a glycine receptor agonist rather than a GABA
agonist. Downside is histamine release. Upside is it feels like
your drunk!

It's mainly prescribed as a drug for tapering people off a bad alcohol habit. Worst thing about it is the burning feeling in your nose!
WAStardust

[wearestardust]

I stand by Flormidal. (15mg midazolam). It is the most powerful of all the benzo hypnotics, but I should have said in my post that you have to be really careful with this one; don't mix with any other downers and certainly never touch it if you've had alcohol that day/evening - it CAN cause problems with respiratory depression in those circumstances. I don't want to wake up dead. The milder ones SWIM finds useful are 2mg flunitrazepam and 30mg temazepam. (Though 60mg is a better dose.) The down to temazepam is the groggy feeling next day which you don't get with the others.
The 'Z' drugs just build up too much tolerance too quickly. Zopiclone and Zolpidem are virtually useless for sleep after 5-7 days' use.
WAStardust

[eltimmy]

When SWIM was using these, SWIM preferred zolpidem over zopiclone:

a) zolpidem has selectivity for the supposed target of hypnotics compared to zopiclone, which has more of the properties of a regular benzodiazepine
b) relative to zopiclone, zolpidem is much less habit-forming (taken at prescribed doses)
c) zopiclone's half-life -- 6 hours -- is too long, causing SWIM to feel dulled well into the next day. The Ambien CR formulation is approximately 2.6 hours half-life. Perfect for SWIM's purposes
d) No shitty taste in the mouth from zolpidem.
e) Zolpidem in studies produced a normal sleep architecture, whereas zopiclone's was a little off. Subjectively, SWIM got nightmares in the latter half of sleep from zopiclone -- SWIM theorizes this is due to GABA rebound (as mentioned above, zopiclone is more promiscuous (that's the neurochemical term ;-)) in the receptors that it effects, and SWIM for various reasons strongly disfavors benzodiazepines).

SWIM no longer uses them as SWIM has been sleeping well for the past few months by maintaining good sleep hygiene as well as a diligent morning aerobic exercise program.

[Big Fella]

Ambien vote from me, prescribed them a few times and they work well enough, they were once stolen by Rambo, who later wrote me a letter telling me that he took four of them and it was a very pleasent experiene.

I was gutted he stole them, but though the letter was a nice touch.

[indira3]

Hello,
I'm a GP and living in Europe (not practising any longer). Please excuse my bad english!
I've been on rohypnol (1-2 mg/evening) for 10 years, and switched to distraneurin (clomethiazole) 2 yrs ago as I thought roh made me feel depressed. To make things worse (I had a terrible hangover during the day following distra (5 caps in the evening)) I started to take both of them (no need to say I am no longer practicing, but mostly because of an accident), roh covering the severe anxiety of distra's hangover during the day - but I felt personality changes (severe depression despite prozac) and wanted to quit the one or the other. The problem is distra makes you feel high with wonderful dreams (well, in my case) and now, trying to get rid of it, I need 6 rohs, antihistamines, tranxilium and alcohol for a 4 hours' sleep - so I think I will come back to distra. Does anybody knows what are long-term side effects of distra? I have severe bleeding gums and wonder if it's not due to it. Anyway.... it's becoming a nightmare for me. zopi, a.s.o., have no more effect (+severe somnambulism at night). Thank you!!!!!

[wearestardust]

Can I ask two questions please? They relate to two of the most recent posts. First, what is the 'CR' formulation of zopiclone? I don't think such a thing is available in UK. The other is, what is Tranxilium? Is it a brand-name for some benzo that we all know, or something else entirely, like clormethiazole (Heminevrin)?
The zopiclone available here is simply Stilnoct, the original made by the inventors (or should I say developers) of zopiclone, Sanofi. It is available in 5 and 10mg strengths, but I never heard of it being suffixed with 'CR' which brings 'Controlled Release' to mind; not something a sleeping aid would usually have! Tranxilium is a brand I have never heard of. Maybe I should google it. Is it a German brand by any chance? And I agree with the previous poster, Indira, that SWIM's opinion of flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) is that it tends to be prescribed for insomnia associated with anxiety problems or night-panics, the 2mg tablets having a distinct anxiolytic effect which can carry through to the next day. Doctors seem increasingly reluctant to prescribe it nowadays. Why, I don't know - it is a very useful sleeper for those with anxiety issues. And they have stopped prescribing the 2mg tablets now altogether; only the 1mg Roche brand is available for docs to prescribe since none of our generic companies here appear to offer flunitrazepam at all in any strength.
WAStardust

[wearestardust]

Sorry, I should have added that in place of flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) doctors are trying to prescribe more of the 'Z' meds; but they are reluctant to prescribe ANY sleeping aid now except in chronic cases, or for short-term problems caused by, for instance, bereavement or a particularly stressful life-event. Also, and I have asked this elsewhere but never got an answer - is it true that flunitrazepam is now not available for doctors to prescribe in the USA? I read that somewhere recently. It can't be anything to do with the so-called 'date-rape' connotations (Rohypnol tablets have an indigo dye in them and are not soluble in drinks, so the 'victim' would notice immediately that their drink had turned a quite dark blue and would be full of grit with a scum on top. Not to mention that the outer coating is a hard gelatinous substance which doesn't dissolve until meeting stomach acid or something!) Only some 2mg flunitrazzies from Central Europe would not leave a drink uncoloured, and even they wouldn't dissolve so that the drinker would not notice that something was wrong. All in all, in the opinion of SWIM, it is one of the most useful sleepers, along with his particular favourite, Flormidal (midazolam).

[indira3]

Hello Wearastardust
tranxilium (sorry, I should have known commercial names are different:-)))
is clorazepam. In fact, being perhaps less addictive or potent than roh, I might mix roh and tranx (I use tranx instead of clor in order not to get donfused with clomethiazole/heminevrin/distraneurin), plus clormethiazole in order to get a better sleep. I doubt as to being able to reduce dosages with time..... but let's try it this way, for a while, and then taper dosages.
Here in switzerland roh has always been available (roche...), but it's only available now as 1 mg tabs, blue colored. I know distra has been taken off the market in several countries (potentially lethal, as are barbiturates.) I'm a newbie here, but could anybody explain to me the detailed mechanism of action of these drugs on GABA-receptors?? distraneurin acts on it PLUS on its chlor-channel, making it therefore more potent or acting more quickly... but it's quite confusing. I thought neurontin (antiepileptic) could perhaps help in tapering benzos' and distra's dosages....?

[mrphucker]

but they are reluctant to prescribe ANY sleeping aid now except in chronic cases, or for short-term problems caused by, for instance, bereavement or a particularly stressful life-event


That's strange,i'm in the UK and went to my docs recently and told him i was struggling to sleep because I had been abusing GHB and Lorazepam/Alprazolam and he wrote me a script for Zolpidem despite me been hospitalized because of a Benzo overdose two months prior

What makes you say that doc's are reluctant to write scripts for Zolpidem? They are very easy to get legitimately

[mrphucker]

They are very easy to get legitimately


............in the UK(sorry not able to edit posts)

[indira3]

I wonder if it's not because zolpidem often cause somnambulism and nocturnal hyperphagia (I read an article about it months ago, a problem specific for zolpidem) - that is also why I switched from zolpi to roh, with which I sleep like a baby (combined with chlomethiazole of course); zolpi caused me to get up and take my car to the next chocolate automat during the night, with the result that I often had car scratches or totally damaged tyres the next morning with no memory about it...

[upperdecker]

Ambien never made SWIM tired at all, all it did was make SWIM feel like he was almost tripping. The best sleeping medicine SWIM has come across would definitely be Seroquel. That stuff will knock you out all night.

[indira3]

Seroquel is an a antipsychotic - then you have to find out a psychiatrist who orders it to you (at least in Europe...)- Zolpidem caused me to deambulate and slide in the bachtroom - after which I lost consciousness and, with bloodstains all over, i got up ahd saw I had a double eye hematoma and diplopia - a sign a skull basis fracture. I did recover but I still miss 30% energy and drive, as well as severe memlory loss and concentration impairment. I'll thrive to get zolpidem out of the market. Seroquel is still unknown to me as a S:P. I can stille try try out. Thanks.

[wearestardust]

I believe I made a mistake in one of my above posts; I did not mean ZOPICLONE CR but ZOLPIDEM CR. That's the formulation I haven't seen here. Certainly you can easily get ordinary zolpidem (Stilnoct brand, 5 or 10mg). Another sleeping aid that has helped SWIWAS in the past is the old favourite nitrazepam. 10mg of that should ensure a decent sleep. But as I said before, flunitrazepam and midazolam are difficult to beat in terms of effectiveness.

Addition to above: midazolam is not available in tablet form in the UK and flunitrazepam requires a private prescription, not being available on the National Health Service.

[rocksmokinmachine]

I was reading MIMS (the prescribing reference for the GP) recently and it seems midazolam is available on prescription in the UK, in tablet form. UK doctors really don't like prescribing benzo's anyway.

Taking benzodiazepines for insomnia is not a good idea, they loose thier hypnotic effects quickly, not to mention the withdrawal. Drugs like zolpidem and zopiclone are better options IMO. SWIM is prescribed 7.5mg of zopiclone and finds it effective.

As far as over the counter sleep aids go, diphenhydramide is probably the best and most effective.

Some work for some monkeys, some don't.

[indira3]

As said before, I first thought zolpidem the best alternative; somehow, suffering each night from somnambulism, and aafter severla sever traumas, the worst having taken place 1 month ago (cerebral commotion with skull fractures and amnesia), I consider it more dangerous than flura/flunitrazepam.

[indira3]

Please disregard my tipping mistakes.... TY!!!

[rocksmokinmachine]

SWIM thinks flurazepam and flunitrazepam have much more dangerous and addictive qualities than zolpidem.

[Steva]

Ambien never made SWIM tired at all, all it did was make SWIM feel like he was almost tripping
Amen.
Swim loves the buzz off Ambien.
He was taking 6 during the day for the buzz effect.
Also put stomach asleep so swim lost weight ala phen/Fen.
Swim no longer uses Zolpidem.
A few beers and 1mg gador xanax
will induce swim to sleep.
Swim did take Seconal,Nembutol,Tuinal many years ago
and they were more effective than ambien.

[highganja99]

SWIM has take 10x50mg oxazepam all at once and it had no effect whatsoever.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Flunitrazepam is the best sleeping pill SWIM says. Close second either midazolam or triazolam.

[valium_mark]

i get 11 5mg valium a day and valium are not a sleeper the strongest sleeper used to be temezipam there ok for vthe quick hit but nitrazipam last longer i usewully mix them a cocktail but i need a min of 11 a day or im up the wall thank the lord i have a god gp who stops me buying them

[rocksmokinmachine]

40mg is currently the maximum prescribed dose in the UK (just droped from 60mg) except in special circumstances (i.e. withdrawal from illegally obtained benzodiazepines in special clinics.

Speak to SWIY's doctor.

[spa]

Ambien does a nice job to stop the constant racing thoughts I have...

... its for lower range insomnia. There are much more powerful chemicals to help you sleep.

[indira3]

Thank you spa, Ambien (_zolpidem?) caused me to get up at night, and - I don't remember but waking up hours later in a blood bath and 2 skull fractures...... No, thanks..... I am now on 3-4 diff. substances, no more zolpidem, it's my death!!!!!!

[rocksmokinmachine]

Flunitrazepam closely followed by midazolam. Benzodiazepines are the only thing that does it for SWIM these days.

[molly5190]

for pure sleeping purposes I say melatonin. two pills gets SWIM asleep on 70 mg of adderrall.

[Psych0naut]

Amen.
Swim loves the buzz off Ambien.
He was taking 6 during the day for the buzz effect.
Also put stomach asleep so swim lost weight ala phen/Fen.
Swim no longer uses Zolpidem.
A few beers and 1mg gador xanax
will induce swim to sleep.
Swim did take Seconal,Nembutol,Tuinal many years ago
and they were more effective than ambien.Please always include the chemical name of pharmaceutical drugs in your posts. This can be easily obtained from Google or other search engine. Doing so will avoid confusion on this international forum. Thank you.

Ambien does a nice job to stop the constant racing thoughts I have...

... its for lower range insomnia. There are much more powerful chemicals to help you sleep.Please always include the chemical name of pharmaceutical drugs in your posts. This can be easily obtained from Google or other search engine. Doing so will avoid confusion on this international forum. Thank you.

Flunitrazepam closely followed by midazolam. Benzodiazepines are the only thing that does it for SWIM these days.I fully agree with that. Temazepam is a pretty good hypnotic as well, but after a while, or in very severe cases of insomnia, it doesn't work well enough. In those cases, fortunenately flunitrazepam does indeed do the job. Though after a long period of use, like all benzo's, even flunitrazepam loses it's effectiveness, not just due to tolerance, taking a higher dose still won't work after extended periods of usage. I noticed something very weird though 2 months ago when I still took flunitrazepam once in a while. When I took my dose, I felt it come up in 10 minutes and it had hit my like a brick wall in 20-30 minutes, almost making me pass out. I wasn't even capable of brushing my teeth anymore, I just dived straight into bed. But 2,5 hours later I woke up again, feeling extremely lethargic but unable to fall asleep again. I would be unable to fall back to sleep the rest of the night and morning, unless I took my dose of midazolam, which I just took as there was no other option. Really weird that it didn't keep me asleep, but instead I always woke up a few hours later, on the verge of falling back asleep again, but not actually falling asleep, especially because flunitrazepam is long acting.

[valium_mark]

i think it deepends on your age your tolerance etc im 40 and as i have stated before im on 11 5 mg tablets and 120 mg of 1 in 1 methadone and i am now on 3 nitrazipam sleeping tablets i did want to cut down but due to circumstances im finding it to hard , hence my dad is terminally ill .
i get my tablets and other medication of my gp not the drug clinic , as they have a limit to what they will give out you must access the user properly and see they get the right dose may be im on this dose as i dont use illicit drugs besides cannabis , and my life as been crap to say the least >> myself i wish life would just end im up early again as its pick up day today and i feel like death warmed up :vibes:what more can i say , ill just keep trying , as for the best sleeping pill it all deepends on preference .
temazipam give you a god instant hit and will help you sleep but nitrazipam are longer lasting through the night , but dont get me wrong i have took sleepers of a day and thats not good , drug users are not thick in fact more intelligent i feel we just dont always put it into practise as the disease is hard to cope with anyway

[hbombhbomb]

Melatonin

[Jatelka]

^^^ And why is that? Without an explanation single words are not ever-so helpful

[hbombhbomb]

Sorry! It's herbal, easy to get and doesnt usually make one groggy the next day. I find it helps with REM sleep with no side effects.

[Jatelka]

Thank you

[drab4]

What do you think is the number one sleeping pill?
Swim's personal favourite benzo for sleep is temazepam
Followed by zolpidem
Then diazepam
Then bromazepam
Then zopiclone

And those are the only benzos and derivatives he has tried. Other sleeping stuff that Swim has tried (melatonin, anti-histamines, GABA, GHB) either do not work very well or have unpleasant side effects

[testodan]

From what SWIM have tried,SWIM says Trazodone knocks him out baad.Quited cause its makes him groggy for a long time next day,And, increase the appetite too much.Then is zopiclone,best for him,in which is on now.The nasty with Z drugs is that have a great tolerance,especially if Benzos are not being used together.

SWIM shall megadose benzos to sleep as the way with zopiclone sleeps.

Z drugs are definitely addicting,(not in recreational way but only as sleep meds).

[UpperAndDowner]

In SWIM's opinion, the most effective sleeping pill has to be Zopiclone. However, it does leave a very bad taste in your mouth the next day.

SWIMS's routine before bed-time includes the following mix:
- Take valium (diazepam) 10 mg or so,
- then 50 mg of Trazodone followed by
- 10 mg of Zopiclone.

He has found the above mix to be quite effective. However, the dry lips and mouth caused by the Trazodone is often very annoying and becomes even more uncomfortable thanks to the bad after taste of the Zopiclone. :(

[rocksmokinmachine]

Trazodone is often very annoying and becomes even more uncomfortable thanks to the bad after taste of the Zopiclone. :(

This is caused by the changing PH in the mouth. A tiny dusting on the finger of citric acid or vitamin C will solve this problem. Failing that, a nice acidic drink.

[AquafinaOrbit]

Zolpidem is the most effective I have used, I stopped though because of sleep-walking and hangovers. Currently my doctor is prescribing me Trazodone as they claimed it should have less of a hang-over feeling and not as dependency forming. IMO though it makes me feel even worse the next day then I would of if I got say 3 hours of sleep over 8 with Trazodone. It also really is not that strong and takes about 1.5 hours till it finally puts me to sleep.

[soma]

After some experience, swim ranks the following substances in order (these are high doses, he's very tolerant- dont try this at home):

1. Alprazolam (8mg)
2. Clonazepam (8mg)
3. Temazapam (120mg)
4. Zolpidem (30mg)
5. Eszopiclone (12mg)

He used to rank Carisoprodol highly, but has since stopped his use of this substance due to addiction.

[dreamingawake]

SWIM would say zolpidem is the best. But having tried no other hypnotics and using only benzos as other sleeping aids, she's sort of biased.
She's having a nice little time on it right now, and she'll try to finish the post before things start getting incoherent.
Its an excellent sleeping aid if you are not using it recreationally - SWIM gets 7 - 8 hours of lovely refreshing sleep, so nice you could almost bound out of bed in the early morning!

And if SWIY is going to use it for recreational purposes, well, if SWIY can manage to stay awake on the stuff, its an all-round nice drug, feel a bit giggly and confused at first, this turns into a sort of happy confusion, limbs and head feel all heavy and..well..tired, duh! and lovely light hallucinations, breathing walls, etc.. but the higher you go with the dosage, SWIM has found that she became extremely deluded which can be a bit frightening. Also, SWIM wouldn't recommend using with alcohol as hangovers are exacerbated.
The whole memory loss thing is a bit strange, SWIM has been up on it for two hours and will not remember writing this post!:)

[UpperAndDowner]

Ahh, good advice indeed! Thanks mate! :P

[200Ponies]

Nitrazepam is the only one that is long enough acting for me to get a full nights sleep, I prefer my GBL at the moment though.

[UpperAndDowner]

Meant to quote rocksmokinmachine (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/member.php?u=17405) on my last post, and not my own post lol. Anyhow, that was great advice and it worked like a charm! Cheers!

[kuplo]

I've found that xanax was the best sleeping pill 2mg of xanax and I would be out like a light for 10 hours and wake up feeling great.

However it's highly habit forming, I was taking (when I finally quit) 12mg per day and it put me into a wheel chair because I couldn't walk around anymore for fear of hurting myself from falling down.

One day I said, Im done with this and that was that. No withdrawls for me for some reason, but I've not found a better sleeping pill than that and we've tried all the non narcotic pills like the lunesta's and ambien's and a slew of others. Oh one 10/325 Norco will put me to sleep but I'll wake up from the pain, 2 of them and IM awake all night.

[highganja99]

BTW SWIM mean't Tetrazepam

[roadking3322]

I also am a insomniac:eek:The only thing that seems to work used sparingly is flunitrazepam however in the US the government has decided we cannot buy this anywhere here, is it easy to buy in your country? can you go to a Pharmacy and just buy it, or is a doctors visit necessary?:thumbsup:

[doublezero]

swims favourite was called still nocht (silent night in german swim thinks), cant remember the chemical name. Ive only tried zimovane/zopiclone which swim dont like because of the taste,swim lives in england. still nocht were small white pills

doublezero added 10 Minutes and 21 Seconds later...

just read all the posts and found out that still nocht were a form os zopiclone, so what in zimovane/zopiclone gives u the bad taste that isnt in still nocht, thanx

[thegirlghost]

ambien for prescription
doxylalamine succinate (antihistamine) for OTC - but terrible for rec. usage

[MDudeOnDaRocks]

Everyone is different, but the best sleeping med swim has tried was actually Rozerem (ramelteon), it knocked swims ass out for 13 hours. Swim will give Ambien (zolpidem) first, because who wants to sleep for 13 hours.

[rocksmokinmachine]

I also am a insomniac:eek:The only thing that seems to work used sparingly is flunitrazepam however in the US the government has decided we cannot buy this anywhere here, is it easy to buy in your country? can you go to a Pharmacy and just buy it, or is a doctors visit necessary?:thumbsup:

One most certainly cannot just buy flunitrazepam over the counter here! :laugh:

Though it would be good.

[Dexyfiend]

Altrazopam for sleeping... 2mg usually does the trick
diazepam is ok too, between 25 - 50 mg though swim usually finds that it is so enjoyable recreationally that he dosent want to sleep although he would be out like a light in 10mins if he lay down and closed his eyes.
Temazepam is also good but swim finds it is piss weak and needs at least 50mg, it's also decent for recreation.
Zolpidem is FUCKED UP in swims opinion... he took a couple of tabs of it once and ended up talking to a large gathering of imaginary stuffed animals whilst banging into walls and falling over alot. Swim is lucky he didnt hurt himself.
Good for sleep though with very little recreational potential

[Psych0naut]

I also am a insomniac:eek:The only thing that seems to work used sparingly is flunitrazepam however in the US the government has decided we cannot buy this anywhere here, is it easy to buy in your country? can you go to a Pharmacy and just buy it, or is a doctors visit necessary?:thumbsup:Ofcourse not. It's a Class B drugs if I'm correct, but certainly highly regulated, together with temazepam, they are both even more strictly regulated than all other benzodiazepines. Like anywhere else in the Western World, and Europe at that.

swims favourite was called still nocht (silent night in german swim thinks), cant remember the chemical name. Ive only tried zimovane/zopiclone which swim dont like because of the taste,swim lives in england. still nocht were small white pills

doublezero added 10 Minutes and 21 Seconds later...

just read all the posts and found out that still nocht were a form os zopiclone, so what in zimovane/zopiclone gives u the bad taste that isnt in still nocht, thanxStilnoct is the brand name zolpidem is marketed under by either Sanofi-Aventis, or Novartis. Can't remember which one invented it, but it's either one of the two. Zolpidem is a French invention, not German. Imovane is the brand name for zopiclone. The substance that gives that nasty metallice taste the next morning is the active ingredient itself, zopiclone

[doublezero]

thanx psyconaut.
don't need sleepers anymore as the docs has got me on cloazapine/clozaril, and puts me 2sleep after an hour or so,

[sweetsugar]

Swim didnt read the full thread... but
Nitrazepam, swim sleeps like a log after takeing them (properly - as percribed, lol) some people have a few side effects, like the groggy feeling in the morning and maybe even a little moodiness, it passes. Swim doesnt mind that groggy feeling and goes about her day fine.

[chillinwill]

100mg of seroquel def is the one that works for swim for the best sleep....swim's tried ambien, lunesta, temazepam, and none of have worked as well as seroquel does

[Panthers007]

SWIM is advised to be very careful with Seroquel. It can come back the next day during an inopportune time - driving a car - and SWIM will be back asleep. Crash!!

No shit!

[chillinwill]

swim has never had that happen to him when taking seroquel but i will def be careful taking it

[humdroid]

VALERIAN ROOT SUCKS BALLS
To me, its better than valium 5mgs.

[ozzy_paul]

100mg of seroquel def is the one that works for swim for the best sleep....swim's tried ambien, lunesta, temazepam, and none of have worked as well as seroquel does

Swim has tryied seroquel 100mg once and it did nothing. Swim thought that was strange. Swim get knocked out when has 2 temazepam though,not sure of the mg though.
Swim might have to go to the doc today and see if ambien is doable as he is all dried out of sleepers and hasn`t slept for 3 days now.
Doc always tries to prescribe stilnox but they only made swims eyes tired but brain was still working over time. Swim was last prescribed mirtazapam but has to have (4) 30mg to be able to sleep. But swim does wake up with a heavy head and is lazy for the first 2 hours of the day after taking mirtazapam.

[Swifindingm]

Swim has tried zolpidem, lunesta, and temazapam. Swim doesn't like feeling drowsy the next day so lunesta is out of the question, and temazapam's high sucks. So swim likes zolpidem. Are there any better sleep aids? Swim doesn't care about addiction. :) Thanks.

[yaba]

Swim is on zopiclone 7.5mg daily (lunestra, zimovane, zimmy's, etc) Has been on temazepam long, long time ago, when he was 14 can't remember that much about it.
He can get zolpidem 10mg, in resonable amounts (60 a month )

Swim also is on diazepam,

Out of all of them swim uses less zolpidem then any of the others. Swim had a mad one with zolpidem and alcohol one's, Has now more respect for them now.

Swim thinks out of all, zopiclone gives him the least hangover and he can get up on time for his early shift !! But when he is working nights zolpidem might be better to knock swim out quickly, 20mg will be swims quick sleeping dose.

And not caring about addiction...... Don't mean this in a bad way, But any withdrawal isn't fun !!!
Ask around, read up about withdrawal about whatever your friend will be taking.

[Swifindingm]

Thanks, but I've been addicted to Xanax, coke, and I guess nicotine and it was bad, but I can handle it. Thanks though. :)

[killerfromsky]

For recreational use, SWIM thinks Zolpidem are the best.
Just snort 1 or 1,5 for starter and drink a little alcohol.
And SWIM means a little!

Then just stay awake for 45 min and there will be some nice visuals etc.

Later on SWIY can snort more pills and drink a little more, but still be very carefull!

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Out of all of them swim uses less zolpidem then any of the others. Swim had a mad one with zolpidem and alcohol one's, Has now more respect for them now.


SWIM also had that once, was freaky! :thumbsdown:
But now SWIM still likes zolpidem the most, but with very little alcohol.:thumbsup:

:vibes:

[Herbal Healer 019]

Butalbital (fiorcet), in doses of 250mg & up are very sedating & perfect for sleep disorders, but only in lower dosages should barbs b used for this reason because they can dangerously depress respiration at unpredictable doses.

Butalbital intoxication 4 SWIM is more desirable in less sedating doses. & was suprised at the level of sedation on a 250mg dose w/ a small amount cannabis & a small amount of alcohol tho.

But keep in mind SWIM does not get sedated anymore by cannabis alone or alcohol, let alone any downer besides butalbital or a high dose of opiates

[static_vodka_420]

i have a polyneuropathy called guillian-barre swim possibly contracted
from heroin use. it is an auto-immune disease which means, bascially,
my immune system attacked my nerves to the point where i have no
sensation. its been a long road but everyday my nerves feel a bit
better.



last night after snorting up all my ambiens, i was forced to take a
seroquel 100 for sleep. it worked great for one hour but i was woke up
with sensation shooting up the right side of my body. i felt the worst
i have since ive gotten sick, almost to the point i wanted to go to the
emergency room, but what the hell would they have done for me though,
so i didn't go. if you're one of the 100,000 that becomes ill with an
auto-immune disease jesus don't take seroquel

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swim wouldnt reccomend that combination sounds like an easy way to nver wake up to him but he also doesnt know swiys tolerance level
but he would caution agianst mixing seroquel(quetiapiene..spelling?) with almost anything sence pharmaceutical engineers arent entirelly sure how it effects the brain and nervous system to combat psychosis and bipolar disorder it may have a bad reaction when mixed with almost anything

so if swiy is xperimentng start small and work up

better safe than a vegetative seroquel zombie whos allways pissed off:confused:

in swims experience barbituates/ anti-psychotics (aka seroquel and amitriptyline(spelling) for the swim spoken of) are the best thing for knocking swim out after a hard day or a cocaine binge

while benzos (especially clonazepam/flurazepam) provide the best quality of sleep to swim

lastlly swim thinks tricyclic antidepressants such as cyclobenzaprine(high dose) and trazodone knock swim the fuck out no matter where he is or how uncomfortable he feels but he allways awakens feeling groggy, slow, stupid, and with severe anxiety so unless sleep is medically needed swim wouldnt reccomend them

swims doc has yet to allow him to sample ambien(zolpidem) and when swim acquires them he spends a lot of time making sure he DOES NOT fall a sleep as swim loves the recreational aspect of them which considering his history is another reason he has'nt pushed his doc for a "trial" yet

[Jatelka]

Couple of errors in your monkey's post, static vodka

Amitryptiline is a tricyclic, not an anti-psychotic and Trazodone is a novel antidepressant, a triazolopyridine derivative

[Blu_berrytoke]

Swim has used many different sleeping meds, but for some reason, most greatly potentiate swim restless legs. Ambien is by far the best one swim has used... as well as abused large amounts. On a high enough dosage, swim has a near-psychadelic trip.:)

[Dickon]

My cat told me this story...

Unless I've missed something, no-one has mentioned the one true and simple answer to this question : none. It's like the story of God and the Devil playing golf; God tees off, the ball is whizzing straight for the hole and a frog jumps out of the hole swallows the ball, and goes running for the rough, at which time a snowy owl flies down, grabs the frog and flies back to the hole,...etc.....,make it up here....until God turns to the devil and says "Are we going to fuck about or are we going to play golf?". I tend to think the same about sleeping pills and potions. "Are we going to fuck about or are we going to get some proper sleep".

OK, I'm being a little facetious, but I do think a healthy lifestyle, good food, air, exercise, no drugs or alcohol, give a far better nights sleep than any sleeping pill. A clear conscience probably helps too. lol.

Try valerian pills and chamomile tea first would be my advice, before going all pharmacological (yes I know the difference between natural and artificial is a false one in some ways, but valerian and chamomile are mild and are unlikely to do much harm). If you can't sleep then there is probably a reason, and knocking yourself out is unlikely to help unless it is a short term temporary stress-related thing.

My own experience [remember this is my cat talking - Dickon] is that benzodiazepines are not great sleep agents. Sure they work fine if you have no tolerance, and usually a low dose will work. I found triazolam (halcion) the best non-recreational benzo, due to its short half-life, I think. I didn't feel hungover in the morning. It is also not considered a good recreational benzo, so is marginally less likely to be problematic. There were stories doing the rounds about paradoxical effects and it was even taken off the market. As far as I know, this was found to be no more prevalent with triazolam than othr benzos and it was put back on the market subsequently. Temazepam works well, although as a lesson in tolerance I'd mention one night when I took 30 20mg pills, slept for 2-3 hours, took another 30, slept for another 2-3 hours, took another 30 and slept for 2-3 hours. So 90 20mg pills in all for one nights sleep. That's 200 times a dose that if I took now would probably knock me out! Tolerance and dependence to benzos builds up rapidly, although I found physical addiction to the older benzos took many months/years to develop. Recently I found things like alprazolam (Xanax) and clonazepam (Klonopin) much more addictive. This might simply be explained by previous addiction, but I don't think so, for reasons too long and boring to mention. I also found midazolam a good sleep aid as far as benzos go. I'd recommend against Diazepam and especially Nitrazepam(Mogadon - that's a name to conjure with!); the hangover effects are mentioned on this thread in re Nitrazepam but I found them distressing, although my hangover effects / feelings towards them are far from consistent. I've never tried flunitrazepam (Rohypnol), but it generally gets a good press as a strong benzo, so it's worth a look in although it's hard to get.

When I was a child I was given sedating anti-histamines and they seemed to work, although probably were not needed. I had no ill effects. Today I'd not eat one if I were paid. I hate the hangover effects I get, far worse than benzos I.M.O. Similarly I found using sedating tricyclics (I can't remember which one/s I tried) knocked me out even when mildly junk-sick but I woke up feeling so awful that morphine was the only answer. Not good again.

I only used zopiclone once (when it was prescribed for an opiate detox), and I found the taste unbearable (taste and smell become heightened in opiate w.d. at least for me) so can't vouch for it, or the acid-on-tongue remedy mentioned above. Zolpidem (Ambien, Stillnocht) does seem another working sleeping pill. I've used them occasionally with fairly good results, but never for any length of time.

The only barbiturates I've used are phenobarbitol (avoid avoid avoid, it's way too long acting, and is a hangover-king) and sodium amytal, which although I only had a few 200mg pills did work well, without noticeable hang-over. There seemed nothing "magical" about the barbiturates, that would make me prefer them over benzos. They are just harder to find and more dangerous. No great euphoria, but they do shut down the brain in a different (more complete? subjectively speaking) way.

In opiate withdrawal I'd avoid sleeping aids except for the chamomile tea and valerian. Some recommend benzos, but apart from perhaps small doses to cope with some of the visceral anxiety I'd not recommend them, details again long and off-topic here, essentially because one wants to return to a normal sleep pattern as soon as possible.

For amphetamine use (dexamphetamine and amphetamine sulphate), I found morphine very good to induce sleep and help with the comedown, but if you're not an opiate addict, I'd say using opiates in any form is usually stupid except for severe pain.

So you see, when I said a drug-free nights sleep is best, I wasn't making some mad rant from a position of no experience! Should I say the obvious? Why not! Avoid alcohol and caffeine if you can't sleep too. Alcohol might get you to sleep, but it makes for a bad nights sleep; I think this is researched, but I'm not going to google it now. Caffeine is a blindingly obvious thing to avoid. I know the culture now, especially in America is to go reaching for the pill-bottle when something doesn't feel right, but unless you have a serious problem it's best to spend a week or three tossing and turning than to get addicted to some benzo or z-drug.

Sweet dreams to all, however you chose to get them

Dickon

[Blu_berrytoke]

^As usual, a very insightful post by dickon. I'm going to have to agree that for a healthy nights sleep, NO sleeping pills is definitely the best option.
As far as using sleeping pills for fun goes though, ambien still gets my vote.