Out Of The Body...Is this it????

[Darkotic]

Ever have that thing where you're lying in bed... half-awake,
half-asleep, and you can't move! Like, you're paralyzed, scared, and
slightly hallucinating? It's known as Sleep Paralysis by the "experts",
but the other night, this happened and I just let myself go. I saw
myself lying on the bed and completely FROKE OUT! Is this truly an OBE?




Anyone here have this thing at night?



Should I keep doing it?

[Dualpower]

Sleep paralysis can also be a symptom of narcolepsy, but if you don't
have that there's no harm will come from engaging the experience.



Here's a cool page I found with some stuff from the "experts" on it -



Main page:

http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html



Out of Body Experiences page:

http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/ube.html#obe



You should consider yourself lucky. Most people would looove to have these kinds of experiences naturally. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif

[Dualpower]

Oh and yes .. if you see your body lieing on your bed and you're not in it - that's an OBE.



Swim has gotten OBE's with mushrooms before. They weren't in reference
to their person (i.e. not watching themselves), rather they were flying
through outerspace - completely gone from the human world.

[Darkotic]

I'm sober when it happens... Never had it happen on anything good.
Thing is, I seem to have no control over it. Usually, I just want to
sleep and it will happen spontaneously, and often.



I'll check out those links.



Also, what other things can you have OBE's while your on?

[Dualpower]

Well, it's too bad that you don't neccesarily want it to happen. But
seriously, some people practice meditating for years to achieve that
sort of ability. Whether you like it or not is another question I
suppose.



You can get OBE's off just about anything you can trip off.



From swim's experience: lsd, mushrooms, marijuanna (if intolerant), salvia, dxm, dmt



But probably more.



Someone in your situation might have a great time with weed if it makes
you sleepy. I imagine those OBE's in combination with weed would lead
to some psychedellic fun.

[cyalume]

wow that is some interesting stuff. The one link talked about people who suffer from the sleep paralysis off hallucinate and find themselves being attacked by a malevolent being for several moments until they come back to this world... fuckin creepy

[billyloner]

have experienced sleep paralysis occasionally. the first time i did in fact experience myself being attacked (chased) by a malevolent being! i was being chased by it, kinda in a dream, then suddenyl found myself in my room, unable to move, and i just knew the being was just out of sight. was kinda scary. in the morning after i woke up i realised it was sleep paralysis. the few occasions ive had it since then, i havent been chased but just found myself in my room unable to move. its kinda cool now im used to it. bit weird though, specially that first time.

[sunyata]

You lucky bastard, I try to achieve this every night by self-hypnosis. Haven't had any luck going out of my body yet, but I'm getting better at sleep-paralysis. Sometimes it feels like something is going on, like there's something out there, but I don't get any visuals. For some reason I seem to be unable to break the barrier between ordinary consciousness and dream consciousness, unless I fall asleep. Does anyone have any tips on how to brak through, besides continued practice of course? I'd be very grateful.

[RoboCop]

I always wondered about this! Thank you for bringing it up, I get this on a monthly basis. I used to always get this "sleep paralysis" and never knew what it was. Usually when I used to sleep in school, I'd be half asleep but aware of my sleeping, try to wake/look up but I couldn't I couldn't move at all, but was trying to get up, the first time this happened to me was pretty scary. Eventually I got control and was able to look up and awaken from my partial sleep. I always am sober when this happens and it has happened a lot since then. Never much of a problem but I always wondered what it was.

[29skidoo]

I found it interesting that your sleep paralysis occured while sleeping in class.



While in college I worked as a night watchman. Often the shift would
get so boring that I allowed myself to drift off to sleep. That is when
I'd frequently awaken, but find myself completely paralyzed. I'd hear
voices and feel the presence of other people. It usually took intense
concentration for my mind to link back to my motor functions. Of
course, when I came back to normal consciousness, there was nobody
there.



I've often wondered whether there is a link between sleep paralysis and
going to sleep under conditions where part of the mind needs to remain
vigilant. Both sleeping in class and while at work seem to fit this
condition. If there is such a link, one might expect soldiers under
combat conditions to experience a high rate of sleep paralysis.



I've only had one bona fide OBE. I was stone cold sober and don't
recall any transition. One moment I was awake, and the next moment I
was hovering over my body and drifting away. Once I realized what was
happening, I freaked and snapped back into my body. Felt really weird
for about an hour after that.

[xctico]

marijuanna (if intolerant)




what do you mean intolerant to weed? what are the effects?



As for OBE's, I've got a few, sober, on weed and on peyote. Very nice
expirience once you get over the initial fear and just let go. I had
one that was very intense a few days ago when I was sleeping. I did
some taoist meditation for a while before going to sleep, moving
energie throught the chakras and stuff [it feels GOOD, it's like x
without the drugs], then I lay down and go to sleep. Soon afterwards I
woke up in a totally different room, got saw the world from other
people's eyes. Very nice expierience.

is better no to be affraid of it, but just flow with it. Once you learn
to control your spirit while out of your body, you can have a good
time. :D

[xctico]

You lucky bastard, I try to achieve this every night by
self-hypnosis. Haven't had any luck going out of my body yet, but I'm
getting better at sleep-paralysis. Sometimes it feels like something is
going on, like there's something out there, but I don't get any
visuals. For some reason I seem to be unable to break the barrier
between ordinary consciousness and dream consciousness, unless I fall
asleep. Does anyone have any tips on how to brak through, besides
continued practice of course? I'd be very grateful.You're
trying too hard. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif
In order to have an OBE the body needs to be asleep, unless you're
really good [I'm taking shaolin here]. You just need to go to sleep
while focusing on leaving your body. Then there is the part of
realizing that you're no longer awake, going into lucid dreaming. It
helps to ask yourself several times a day wether or not you're awake,
and trully look for evidence around you that tells you that you are.

One you get to be lucid in your dreams you can either trip inside your body - play God- or go out for an OBE. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

[sunyata]

Thanks, I'll keep trying. I am starting to remember my dreams a lot more, I tell myself "tonight, I will be conscious in my dream", and it seems help me remember them at least. Had a weird dream in which i died a week ago, I die often in my dreams, but this time I didn't wake up, I just lay there until I got bored and got up, in the dream. It felt really euphoric, being dead, but still able to walk around in the dream. I felt real good the next day.


I've been smoking huge amounts of cannabis every day for many years, and I don't dream much when I'm stoned. But the past couple of months I've only been smoking in the weekends and my dreams are becoming more and more clear and frequent. Fascinating, to say the least.

[Dualpower]

what do you mean intolerant to weed? what are the effects?



When I was younger I couldn't handle weed at all. If I even had one
toke I would be very quickly paralyzed and almost completely unable to
speak.



Once I actually fell down to my knees and "shot" out of this
world - I could hear voices of people around me but the were very
distant. It sounded like they were talking to me from the other end of
a very long tunnel. I only noticed the voices because I was trying very
hard to come back to reality. I was blasting through twisting geometric
landscapes that churned out heavy electronic sounding music and noise.
When I came back I was bleeding where my knees had skidded across the
carpet and people were surrounding me asking me if I was allright. I
proceeded to crawl mechanically to a nearby couch to lie down and trip
out hardcore.



I don't get this effect anymore, dissapointingly, but small amounts of
weed still take me too far away from reality to be enjoyable in a
social setting (which is the only place I ever get it since I don't
actively go buying it).



So by "intolerant" I mean people who have disproportionately strong
reactions to weed can experience OBE's with it fairly easily.

[antizero]

I've felt paralyzed like that before, but usually in the parts of my body that I had fallen asleep on. (usually my arms)

[antizero]

I'm not sure if this is an out of body experience... but one time I was
on a 'vacation' in upstate NY... and as I was going to bed, I was
comfortable... listening to some music and laying in bed... and I sort
of drifted to sleep, woke up and looked around.. then layed back
down... as soon as I layed down a sharp chill traveled throughout my
spine and the rest of my body... and I closed my eyes. I opened
them and what I saw and felt when I opened them is something I cannot
fully describe with words...



I was no longer with my body, but my mind was seemingly in a space full
of a sortof neon white glow... and the sound which I could only compare
to a nuclear bomb going off over and over again... I thought I had died
and I was in some sort of... afterlife, but it was more like another
spectrum of physical space that was made from pure energy, and nothing
existed but my mind and this space. I then realised to myself
that I was dead, and then I seemed to be back in my body, I blinked my
eyes and shuddered in my bed, turned off my music and went back to
sleep... all the time thinking that I had just witnessed something
incomprehensible.



Has anyone ever felt anything like this?



I wasn't on anything when this happened by the way.

[sunyata]

I've heard you can do these sort of things in deep meditation or deep hypnosis(pretty much same state of mind), a lot of people do these kind of things spontaneously for some reason. Maybe you were a sjaman or a mystic in your previous life. I've had some strange experiences when going into sleep, but they fade as quickly as I become aware of them, sadly.


Keep posting these kind of experiences people, I love reading about them, whether they were drug-induced or not. Drugs are just triggers, the content of such experiences are within us and can also be triggered by other techniques than drugs, or spontaneously.

[antizero]

Yeah, I don't entirely believe in past/next lives. I'm also
agnostic so I don't really believe that there is a god, but I do
believe in a sort of soul... like who we are is some sort of energy
which resonates and is attracted to like energies.



(I'd get into my philosophical beliefs in detail, but right now i'm tired and I have to piss, maybe tomorrow)

[xctico]

I've had a several of outer body experiences, but I've never actually
been fully lucid during them, though it happen mostly without any
substances, I felt as if I where druged out on valium, not able to be
fully awake.

A few days ago I meditated for a while before going to sleep and woke
up in a different place, but I thought if I moved I would wake up my
body, so I didn't realy move around, but I just percieved that place
from a lying down position.

I've had a couple of OBE with drugs, once with peyote and at least once with weed [high quantitie and high quality].

I frecuently have a feeling like I'm moving my spiritual arms and legs
out of their pshisical counterparts, I get this by meditating on it a
few seconds, I feel as if I could percieve on a higher than phisical
level.

[xctico]

what do you mean intolerant to weed? what are the effects?



When I was younger I couldn't handle weed at all. If I even had one
toke I would be very quickly paralyzed and almost completely unable to
speak.



Once I actually fell down to my knees and "shot" out of this
world - I could hear voices of people around me but the were very
distant. It sounded like they were talking to me from the other end of
a very long tunnel. I only noticed the voices because I was trying very
hard to come back to reality. I was blasting through twisting geometric
landscapes that churned out heavy electronic sounding music and noise.
When I came back I was bleeding where my knees had skidded across the
carpet and people were surrounding me asking me if I was allright. I
proceeded to crawl mechanically to a nearby couch to lie down and trip
out hardcore.



I don't get this effect anymore, dissapointingly, but small amounts of
weed still take me too far away from reality to be enjoyable in a
social setting (which is the only place I ever get it since I don't
actively go buying it).



So by "intolerant" I mean people who have disproportionately strong
reactions to weed can experience OBE's with it fairly easily.


Good, so Im not the only one who trips hardcore with a little bid of pot. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif
Though I usually look for this kind of experience by not smolking
regularly and doing it so in specific ways when I do smoke [e.g. with a
vaporizer].

cool.

[dastardlymonkey]

It happens to me on lots of opiates, and by lots I mean lots.

[VincentVan]

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<LABEL id=HbSession SessionId="1837142476" SessionId="1513546806">I´ve wandered for years what could be wrong with me.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476">For some time , some years ago, I lied paralized on a couch or bed unable to move or say anything until somebody (nearly always my wife, my girl friend then) Would say something. A word would be enough to free me from that horrible situation.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476">One of the scariest experiences of my life has been lyng on a Singapore hotel room alone , paralized for hours until she came back. I´ll never ever forget it. It was one of the first times it happened to me and I thought I was gonna be paralized forever.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476">It was a period I just kicked cold turkey an horrible H habit I had got living in Goa (India); and I had been clean for a couple of months. These horrible experiences went on for 4 or 5 years , until I started to be able to anticipate the outset or make a low droning noise so that my wife could shake me out of it.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476">Twice I saw myself lyng down. Once from the top and once from the left side. But I´ll tell you another time about it because I have to go to work.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476">I never met anybody who had the same experiences , and besides my wife I never spoke to anybody about it, Let me know if you tried something similar.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476"> So long.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476"> "Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven" Milton. "Paradise Lost".</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476"></LABEL>Edited by: elio

[bowlingforcindy]

damn this happened to me other night. a couple weeks after my last ket trip. i was trying to get to sleep, completely detoxacated aswel, not sure if i was totally sleep. but it was like i was dreaming and still awake. and i just saw my self falling on the doorstep really bloody slowly. i was dying i think. i freaked out and lost control and just shook and flew outa my bed. was proper scary. out of body experience. was nothin like the k hole experience when you feel like your out of your body and dead, much worse. was sweating rate bad after.

[brooklyn718]

Sleep paraliyses is totally natural and happens to everyone. The only thing i noticed strange is it occures more with daily pot use.

[Alfa]

Opiates have a tendency toward OBE, but most of them will not be very conscious. I like OBE on psychedelics the most. Here's a litle game for you: Do this with a friend in a relaxed environment, if posible on the first floor or higher. Lay belly down, on the floor, arms in front of you. Keep your eyes closed. Your friend will grab your hands and will lift you until your torso is almost upright. Then your friend will let you hang there for a while and at some point drop you down just a few centimeters. It is important to decrease this altitude of these few centimeters/inches at once. Then your friend will let your hang there for a while again and will drop you a bit more again. Your friend will proceed to drop you a bit like mentioned above until the floor is reached. He/she will take as much time as possible. Say high to your downstairs neigbours from me. This has worked best for me with acid, various psychedelic amphetamines or combination of the former.


Edited by: Alfa

[HazeInMyBong]

I love getting put in the floor. I wouldn't call that an OBE though. I naturally dream lucidly and an OBE is much different. I once ate 7.5g of mush and I felt like my brain/mind/soul did a summersault out of my third eye threw the floor and I was floating in this space and saw an island oasis with a man stranded on it, I gravitated towards it and it was me in the recliner I was sitting in. When I saw my startled looking face I was promptly sucked back into my normal paradigm. I was back, sitting in this chair, looking at my friends who had some strange looks on their faces. They said all of the sudden I just screamed at the top of my lungs. I don't recall screaming so I think it was my body releasing my being.

[Alfa]

It's a start though. Can't expect to go summersaulting right away. At least not everybody can. If you do that on psychedelics, chances are good thatyou can see how to go further.

[HazeInMyBong]

Juxtapose your disposition.

[Alfa]

Juxtapose your disposition.


No comprende!

[HazeInMyBong]

Juxtapose: To place side by side, especially for comparison or contrast. An OBE is to juxtapose your mind/soul to adifferent frame of reference.

[max17]

Many religions beleive that all people have souls and when you see yourself lying on the bed it's actually your soul got "separated" from your body and wondering around. Some people also beleive that it's dangereous because thare is a chance that you wouldn't be able to return back to your body.

[yuval]

supposedly you can have OBE quite easily in a sense depravation tank e.g. www.samadhitank.com (http://www.samadhitank.com)


physics nobel prize winnerfeynmann used to do that a lot - it was easier when he was stoned. he'd shift his point of view to other points in his body e.g. his heels- and then outside altogether.


you can read about it in his autobiography, "surely you're joking", or on the net e.g. http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2783.html:


"While experimenting with his mind and memories in Lilly's tanks, Feynman also met Baba Ram Das, formerly Professor Richard Alpert of Harvard, friend of Timothy Leary and author of Be Here Now. Das instructed Feynman in how to achieve out of body experiences, which Feynman accomplished while in the tank"

[korky8097]

that is a very good state to produce a OBE. Just read up on
astral projection and OBE and stuff, read how to's and stuff. If
you feel that kinda body buzz deal that comes with it, you are prime to
have an astral projection. And in order to return to your body,
all you have to do is think about it and you are there. It is
believed by some that, you know when you are half asleep and you feel
you are falling and then that snap at the end? Well many believe
this is your astral body reconnecting to your real body. Real
interesting stuff, it is easier to acheive an OBE on a drug, but you
cannot reach higher plains when on drugs. I had a time in my life
where i was totally into these things, read a shit load about it all so
if yall have any questions i will probably be able to answer it.

[yuval]

korky8097:


did you have many OBEs? were they rare or could you have them by will if the setting was right?


what technique would you recommend for a beginner?


peace


yuval

[korky8097]

Ive had a few, i know i could if i wanted to on most all of them, and
some i get really close but i cant quite pull out of my body. For
a beginner something you might want to try is meditation to get your
charkas charged, i think that thing on dextroverse that you listen to
on dxm charges charkas maybe. Isnt neccisary but a good
idea. Then when you find yourself in this state, relax, once you
are completely relaxed you should feel a weird buzzing kinda thing
going on, at this point you have to find a way to get out of your
body. A few ways are pretending a magnet is on your celing and it
is pulling you, another is trying to roll out like try to roll out of
your bed, or try to climb an pretend rope up. This is by far the
hardest part, once you are out and away from your body (your body is
like a magnet pulling your astral body in so the further away you get
from it the easier and more lucid things are), get away from your body
and explore. Think about your astral body as having eyes on every
inch of your head, you have more than a 360 degree view, so in some
cases you will open doors they will lead to different rooms that door
normaly wouldnt go to. So try to keep a sense of direction
strait, you can usually just go through walls though. To get back
to your body, just think about it and bam, you are there. Let me
know how it goes, good luck, and if you see things that are scary,
remember that they cannot harm you in any way.

[Mezza]

have experienced sleep paralysis occasionally. the first time i did in fact experience myself being attacked (chased) by a malevolent being! i





My kid brother had several of these experiences. During periods of high-stress in his life (he was a Marine), he'd wake up but couldn't move. He described a couple of experiences where he saw 'demons' comming toward him - in fact a couple times they even attacked and started biting him.


One of the most disturbing instances - a black shadow demon outlined in blue ran toward him - he snapped out of the sleep paralysis the instant it was over him and he grabbed 'it' in a spontaneous self-defense reflex. The demon disappeared and he came to sexually aroused and nauseated.


They say sleep paralysis runs in families and I do remember getting it when I was a kid - but nothing like that.


Mezza

[korky8097]

yeah, it can be many things, sometimes even a dream. THat sounds like a
horrific experience to go through, he might have even been in the
astral world(sp) and the demons were astral demons or even people who
died and are stuck in the astral world. Theres many theories on
this stuff, it could have been a dream, but who knows. Just
remember they can scare you all they want, but they cant hurt you or
posses your body.

[[azu]]

I used to have this 2-3 times a week between the ages of about 5 yeras old to 12 years old. Scary as hell the first couple of times but after a while you know that if you just wait the feeling will come back, beginning with your finger tips and toes and eventually you are able to get up agein. Haven't had it ever since though. Did experience something else in my sleep, sort of a lucid dream kind of thing, where I found myself floating about two feet above my bed and slowly moving towards a light in the window. In retrospect, must have been the street light or something. Anyway, Mezza is right, it runs in the family, my uncle used to have it too.

[yuval]

recently went through 3 OBEs and wanted to share:



first 2 were last month in a meditation festival here in israel. there
was a booth demonstrating a "tachyon energy" (god only knows what that
is) cocoon, where you are partly wrapped with silicon discs that are
supposedly charged with this tachyon energy. you lie on a mattress for
30 minutes. i tried to meditate, kinda wondered off, and when they told
me to come out i realized i wasn't in my body. there was a sense of
coziness and comfort and fluffiness but these are all words that
describe physical qualities and in fact there was no sense of physique
involved at all. i then thought of my body and snapped back into it.



it was so cool i came back the next day, and the same thing happened:
tried to meditate, mind wondered off, when they told me to come out i
realized i wasn't in my body.



they wanted $400 for the charged discs set, too bad it's pretty stiff in local currency, looks like a cool buy.



"Lying down in the cocoon, one will almost immediately
slip into a deep trance state, regardless of whether you are 'trying' to
meditate"

http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmakers/Tachyon%20Energy.h tml

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then yesterday tripping on some 400mg i meditate lying down, just
breath awareness nothing fancy. in 2 minutes i was pure consciousness
with no awareness to my body, and sustained that state for a few
minutes.

[Jatelka]

SWIM has had both sleep paralysis and "night terrors": A sensation of a malevolant being sitting on her chest (if only SWIM was a boy and that being had been a sexy succubus! Somehow my incubus wasn't quite the same!) These have only ever happened WITHOUT the influence of any mind-altering substances, although interestingly they alsohave onlyoccurred when she finally got to bed after being sleep-deprived for a long period.


Recently SWIM had had a heavy night, having taken more drugs than she has has ever taken in her life in a single session: MDMA powder, LSD and 120mg Valium, she had also drunk a significant (although unknown, quantity of rum), and had smoked an unknown number of spliffs.


She found herself wrapped in a coccoon of light, and was then aware of herself drifting away from her physical body (her partner who was also present reports that she was lying quietly, but still able to talk, and he was in no way worried re her safety) she very clearly recalls looking down at her physical body, and looking down at her partner and friends who were present. Everything seemed ultra-clear to her. She then moved out of the room andfound herself outside. She has to stress that she was at all times aware of her physical body but was never really aware of her "astral" body. She was enveloped in starlight, and felt as if the wind and starlight were merging with her, this state seemed to last a very long time/no time at all. She then felt very energised when she returned to her physical body, and proceeded to dance for some hours.(Partner recalls SWIM being very "subdued" for approx 30 mins)


SWIM has had similar experiences with the combination of LSD, MDMA and Valium before, but recalls this one far more vividly. Other experiences have been vague recollections, no more.


On this occasion SWIM had drunk a large quantitiy of alcohol, which she realises is a particularly unsafe thing to do with benzos on-board, and which is not something she would normally do. Maybe this effected the experience.


The idea of meditation inducing similar states is fascinating for SWIM, but she feels that somehow she lacks the attention span. All credit to those who can though http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif

[~lostgurl~]

SWIM had sleep paralysis about 24 hours after taking prescribed Xanax for the first time, she was babysitting and the baby was taking a nap too, it totally freaked SWIM out. There was no OBE on this occasion.

On another occasion SWIM had OBE after injecting ketamine. It felt like a NDE but through research SWIM has learned that many people take ketamine for this purpose and it is supposedly quite safe. SWIM wont touch ketamine again now.

It is strange that some people (like SWIM) totally freak out with such experiences while others get so much pleasure out of it that they search for ways to repeat their experience. I wonder what factors lead to such different reactions?

[VincentVan]

I´ve read this thread with extreme interest because SWIM has experienced some similar phenomena but I´m not really sure that we are talking about the same thing.
I have been wondering for years what had happened to SWIM in those moments but I have never reached a definitive conclusion.
I would like to try to tell you SWIM´s story and to know if this is what you call sleep paralysis or OBE.

SWIM had been living and working in India for about 10 months. He and his wife (she was his girl friend at the time) had a beautiful house about 10 meters from a idyllic beach in Goa, a nice motorbike, a little dog and a job he loved.
SWIM was such a jerk that even in this conditions he managed to get a record breaking addiction to heroin, that there he found cheap, plentyful and of very good quality.
You can imagine how upset poor SWIM got when he learned that his indian job was over and that he would soon be moved to another location.
He thought about every possible option including getting lost and dying in India, but his girl told him that she would´nt stay with him if he did that and that we just had to get away and fight it out together.
So SWIM bought a big bottle of Valium in drops and with his girl flew over to the Maldives, taking his last shot of H in the plane between Trivandrum and Male.
To make a long story short they managed to find a beautiful lagoon with all necessary comforts to fight the beast before it hit .
And the day after hit it did.
It was awful, terrible, undescribeble,his girl got so scared that she radioed the flying ambulance, an hydroplane used for emergencies between the islands,(He managed to call back to say not to come).
SWIM clearly remembers that during an infernal night on a tropical paradise he squeezed some of his Valium drops in an apple juice and crashed on his sweaty bed.
He did´nt feel any better but fell in a curious state of cathalepsys in which he could not move or talk and all the room seemed to move around him.
He repeatedly tried to stand up or just to move and when he realized that it was impossible he just tried to call for help, but not a sound came out of his lips ,actually his lips did´nt move at all.
He new that his lips were´nt moving because he was looking directly at them.
He was looking at his pityful stinking body while standing right between the door of the bungalow and the table at the feet of the bed.
I say standing, but he reports of being aware that his feet did´nt really tough the floor . He´s quite sure of that, because when he moved to the side of the bed, better to look at his face trough the mosquito net , he did´nt need to walk.
He does´nt know how much time went by. He stayed there staring a for a while and then looked at the door left ajar and felt tempted to get out of the room ; but something told him not to do that, not to live that miserable clump of flash there on his own. He felt he needed him and at the same time felt compassion and sympathy for that poor disgusting thing on the bed and stayed at his side.
After an indefinible space of time, he is sure to remember hearing his girl approaching the room , he tried again to call or to move but there was no way of doing that. He saw her coming in; she called him but still he could not answer.
Only when she sat on the bed beside him , passed her fingers through his sticky hair and called him again he felt whole again .
The paralysis, or whatever it was, was gone ; and from that day he slowly started to feel better.
In those days a violent coup d´état was attempted in the Maldives.
There was kalashnikov´s fire in the streets of Male, and the airport was closed for nearly a month.
By the time it opened again I felt healthy and happy and was ready to take over my new job position , but the strange symptoms did´nt stop there.


I´m sorry but now I really have to run.
I will finish this story and tell you how those symptoms evolved tomorrow, as soon as I have the time .
I really would like to know what you think about it.
Your
VV.

[Alfa]

We will be waiting in suspense...

[VincentVan]

I´m sorry for the interruption .
Here´s what happened next.

Swim´s body proved surprisingly resilient; soon he was scuba diving, windsurfing and truly enjoying the excellent foods and his newfound sense of freedom.
Not only that. SWIM also found himself in that rare situation, envied by all his collegues : he was the only professional in a place where news were happening and that was unreacheable by the external world, as the only airport had been sabotaged and was closed for nearly a month.
SWIM was making money, his career prospects were bright, he was healthy and happy.
Still he could´nt stop thinking about that weird night. Those sensations never experienced before; and specially that almost ridicolous feeling of love, pity and empathy for his own person, for his own suffering body in need of help and comprehension.
He did´nt know exactly how or why, but somehow he felt that his present state of bliss and well being was in some indefinible way related, even tied , to the sensations of that calm night of fear, pain and full moon.

We next find SWIM in Sri Lanka.
The city of Colombo was under curfew from dusk to down . A particularly vicious civil war was bleeding a beautiful country SWIM already knew and had learned to love.
SWIM was working with an australian photographer he found particularly interesting and entertraining. SWIM always loved to be in the company of people he could learn something from.
This guy was about 20 years older than SWIM.
SWIM had heard of him before as he had made quite a name for himself in his field.
This Aussie had been in many interesting places during interesting times, including wartime Vietnam; and talking about that period, during a long car drive on nonexistent roads, the conversation turned to how basically everybody did drugs in those times; and how, yes, he too occasionally, still liked to "chase the dragon".
SWIM had never tried that way of smoking heroin, he was young, curious and he had an unbounded respect for that particular aussie; that same evening the two of them were inhaling the fumes of bliss and SWIM was back to square one.

When, after a couple of days , SWIM went back to his girl who had waited for him in the safety of a western hotel, he realized immediatly that he could´nt confess his shameful weakness.
Not to the only person who always belived in him, who constantly encouraged him, trusted him, loved him.
SWIM knew that from that time it was going to be necessary to lie.
And he did. And he felt bad about it. Very bad. Sometimes unbeareably bad.
Once as he was lying by a swimming pool thinking of what a mean, shallow,lieing parasite he was , it happened again.
SWIM was paralyzed.
He was´nt stoned; actually he had´nt touched any drugs in about a week, possibly more, apart maybe, for the occasional drop of Valium to sleep at night.
SWIM could´nt move a muscle. He was perfectly aware of where he was and what he was doing there, but he just could´nt do anything: neither call for help nor produce the slightest sound nor to change the expression on his face.
He remembers seeing a white jacketed waiter passing by, but still he was too far to be of any help and he did´nt have any possibility of attracting anybody´s attention to his plight.
It was terribly scary.
SWIM still does´nt know how long he had been liyng there but he knows it was a long time.
Again he was saved by his girl.
He still wanders if these are the kind of situations behind the stories of sleeping beauties and charming princes, although he finds it difficult to figure himself in the sleeping beauty´s role.
Anyway, as soon as she touched him and talked directly to him the spell was broken and the paralysis vanished.
SWIM thanked his girl and much relived tried to explain to her from what a frightening situation she had just saved him.
He still remembers her deep blue eyes, her serious but sweet expression and her sincere words: - You worry me.-

After that, these strange paralysis became a more common occourrence.
SWIM never tried again those unforgettable sensations of that night of full moon in the Maldives, but even though he managed to stay away from drugs (more or less) for the following three years or so , those paralysis became an integral part of his life, specially during periods in which he felt guilty,unworthy and inadequate.

Sorry guys.
I must run again . I´ll finish to tell SWIM´s weird story in a few hours time.
I hope I´m not boring you.
VV.

[Nagognog2]

A Simian Bongo was familiar with some years ago related an experience he underwent. It involved the i.v. use of cocaine.

His girlfriend was a nurse at a local hospital, and he asked her to snatch a few syringes, which she did. He wanted to see for himself the euphoria he'd heard about from the i.v. administration of cocaine. So they set about getting things ready. Let's suffice to say he really, really, really liked the effect. And he kept on going like the Energizer-Bunny with a needle in his arm. The nurse abstained and told him to cool it - or it might kill him. But he wanted "just one more." He got that, and then some.

This time he dumped a large amount of the cocaine into the syringe. no measuring, just dumped it. And he shot it up. He blacked out and found himself outside the apartment by the bedroom window where he had been injecting himself. Then he looked in the window and saw his girlfriend doing what looked like CPR on some person laying on the bed. There was another girl as well. He wondered what the hell was going on. Then he realized the person on the bed was himself. He (or whatever he was at this point) began pounding on the window and yelling. The two women looked up towards the window with startled (!) expressions. One came to the window and opened it.

The next thing he knew he was sitting up in the bed. The two women (the other was a neighbor who heard the nurse scream for help) told him they saw something at the window, but they couldn't say what. It was like a light in the shape of an egg. And they just felt that they should open the window. The nurse explained to my Simian associate that after he shot up the last load, his eyes rolled up in his head and fell beck on the bed. She took his pulse and found none. He was, for all purposes, clinically dead. She screamed for help and began CPR. The neighbor came in and called an ambulance in this time. All told, about 4 or 5 minutes had transpired from the time of the injection, and the Simian sitting up again. So they say. I asked all parties to this to repeat the story for me - separately. They were the same.

Don't ask me. I wasn't there.

[podge]

ya iv had sleep paralysis but never any visuals.just a weird kinda helpless feeling.

[VincentVan]

Ok.
I just read Nagong ´s story and re-read SWIM´s and basically that´s it.
SWIMS moved around to quite a few more places but for the next 7 or eight years sometimes he just fell in that frightening state of cathalepsis until someone,( actually it was always the same person), shook him out of his misery.
With time the intervals between one episode and another one became longer and longer and during the last period he became able , when paralyzed, to produce a low , droning , guttural noise, so that his wife knew that she had to intervene.
The last of these episode must have happened at least 8 years ago and SWIM really hopes he has seen the last of them.
He does´nt like to talk about it much, so he tried to get some informations here and there to try to understand what happened to him and why, but he never arrived to any satisfing explanations.
If you have any theory he ´ll be glad to hear it.

Nagong´s story is extremely spooky; but notwithstanding a few similarities I´m not sure that it´s related to SWIM´s .
The first difference is that for what I understood Nagong´s episode was kind of isolated, while SWIM was convinced ( and maybe still is) that his maldivian full moon night had an important significance in what happened to him and the way he felt for the following many months maybe years.
The second is that even if in different form and in an extremely attenuated intensity, the "episodes" (as he calls them) continued for many years; and even though he might be wrong about this, he has no doubt that the subsequent "paralysis" were somehow intimately related with that first scary night in the tropics.
The third difference is that , from the account Nagong gives, he did´nt seem to have been neither unnecessarily worried nor excessively shaken by his experience; at least no more than you would expect from someone who nearly escapes death for overdose. On the contrary , for many years, not a day went by without SWIM wandering what on earth had happened to him.

I understand that probably in these kind of things no two stories are the same, and that different people react differently when they happen to them, but, if you had the patience to read all three installement of SWIM´s story, please tell me: is this what you call OBE and sleep paralysis? Why do this happen? And lastly: does it have any consequences?
Thanks for the attention
VV.

[betsym]

Here's a natural way to trip without having to take any drug at all: Sleep Deprivation. Stay up for 2-3 days or just don't sleep many hours for a couple of days. When you finally lye down, you will have what is called hypnogogic hallucinations. Swim thought she was going to have to be taken to the emergency room one night. She saw purple butterflies landing on her husband's face and floating around in the air. Sometimes she felt like she was suffocating and heard a loud roaring noise. She definitely does NOT do this on purpose. She just stays up late sometimes reading or on the computer or downloading music or in this forum :).

[Nagognog2]

I am sure it had an effect on the Simian. He was very strung out on drugs when this happened to him, and I'm sure that even the drugs he was using couldn't mask needing someone to open a window so he could get back in his body from having an effect on his psyche. However about a year after this, he committed himself to a hospital for treatment of multiple drug dependencies. His parents were ecstatic that he did this. So happy were they that they took away his address book and he was never allowed to call any of his old friend's again - aside from one phone call to tell those who knew him that he could never be our friend again, and that he was under a doctor's care. He was 26 at the time.

He's probably at the airport selling flowers for the Moonies now, and popping some debilitating psychiatric medication.

[Alfa]

Yes, this is what you call Out of body experiences and a form of sleep paralysis.
OBE is a perfectly normal phenomenon, which happens to all people frequently while asleep / dreaming. Certain psychoactives provoke OBE. Especially morphine & opiates. It is no coincidence that morphine was named after morpheus, the god of sleep. But you know all about that.

Sleep paralysis is a symptom. A way the psyche handles issues. The psyche has a most remarkable way of transforming issues that are to hot to handle, into other forms. Express them in another way. (As a side note: this is how ticks & most psychological illnesses are formed)

OBE does not have negative consequences. A harsh and sudden return to the body (also known as shellshock) can have negative consequences. But this is generally in the form of a decrease in well being for a short while. Do you know the feeling where you where dozing and all of the sudden you shock awake, like you fell into your body?

So why did this happen to SWIY? I think that SWIY already knows, but want confirmation to be sure. Why would SWIY detach from himself in such a way while his girl is the only one who can relieve him from this state?

SWIM knew that from that time it was going to be necessary to lie.
And he did. And he felt bad about it. Very bad. Sometimes unbeareably bad.
Anyway, as soon as she touched him and talked directly to him the spell was broken and the paralysis vanished.
My bet is that at all of the times that these experiences occured, the same or simular feelings of guilt towards SWIY's girl where at issue. Further heroin has without a doubt been a contributing factor.

[desolated000]

I get that feeling when I'm half awake all the time. Especially when I'm having a vivid dream, and I wake up, but dont get up, I'm like dreaming awake and beleive everything that I'm imagineing is actually happening. I can even hear my concious mind talking to the part of me thats asleep. "Get up, get up" it says, but the side of me that is asleep just wants to continue dreaming. Sometimes, I'll be so into it, that I move in my dream, and I do that same motion subconciously, usually waking me up.

All that btw, has is under no influence of drugs.

[VincentVan]

All that btw, has is under no influence of drugs

For sure....

[korky8097]

Swim must post his OBE he had last night. He was laying in bed around 5 in the morning, the night before having taken 10mg of oxycontin and .25 mg of xanax, and had been high for a few days before that. He was laying down, listening to his tv, which was some boring infomercial, but the sound of it kept swim attentive enough to reach a mind awake body asleep state. Swim realized this and started to climb out of his body, swim started floating up through a fractal like astral plane, then things got kind of hazey. He then started his decent down to his body, and realized the difficulty in snapping back to his body, which could be attributed to the downers or something, he was stuck in his back yard. He could hear his 2 golden retrievers smelling him as he slowly floated across the yard into his window, at this point he snaped awake and wrote down all he rememberd with a small tear in his eye. Felt refreshed all day today

[augentier]

this has happened to me twice..the first time i went with it and was convinced i was dying..but i was ok with it, it felt like my soul was collapsing inward and i could partially see myself calmly laying there. i don't know for sure but i'm almost convinced this is what it feels like to die.

[CrookedEye]

Swim has experienced this, several times.. Once he was in detox, and was given trazodone, which caused this sensation, along with some very vivid dreams/hallucinations.. Swim thought the nurses were in his room messing with him.. He had to slowly wiggle his toe, then his foot, until he could swing a leg off the bed and could finally get up..

Swim has also been trying to stretch and meditate and acheived this state, on his own, without drugs.. He actually started to explore the other world.. Swim thinks that it's a way to really figure out who he is, and possibly make changes in his life, by learning about the entities he comes into contact with in these states, which is similar to DMT or mushroom trips... Swim definitely relates this to a yogi's or shamans trance in many ways, and thinks it may offer some insight he may not consciously think of.. Nevertheless, it's fun when you can kind of control what is happening in the dreamstate. ;)

[OnlyUsersLoseDrugs]

mygosh... SWIM knows this feeling.. SWIM does not remember much but has felt the whole "paralysed' feeling and not being able to make a sound..
SWIM used to dream such vivid dreams every night for years, without fail.. She does not know what triggerd them or what stopped them but she gets them only every so often now..
One dream was where hitler cut her head off, she saw her head on the other side of the room and her body on the other. she was somehow still alive and had to make sure hitler didint see her chest move when she took a breath. she could hear him talking to his servant(or whatever) in his wierd german lingo, he noticed, pointed and yelled and that is all SWIM remembers.
Another dream that is re-occuring is where SWIM is running on a plain.. kind of a desert but not. she runs and grasps hold of the air to start trying to fly, she manages to get up in the air after many run and jump efforts. soon she is flying far above the plain. she sees stampedes of ox, dinosaurs and allsorts.. clouds of dust. then up in the sky she stops and cannot fly any further, there is an invisible box keeping her in yet she can see for miles above, to infinity and beyond! but she acnnot get there..
SWIM also gets the chasers, but never does see exactly what it is that she is running from.
SWIM has also had a dream in a dream and also; been aware and in control in another. she has realised that the dream she was dreaming WAS a dream, and that the old man that was scaring her wasnt so scary after all!
Swim doesnt know if these are just dreams or if these are anything like OBE's, she does have allsorts of dreams. some where she awakens so exhausted its almost like shes been astral travelling. SWIM cant remember.
SWIMs favourite dreams are flying ones which she had quite often at one stage. SWIM has such a vivid imagination that when she reads all your experiences she recalls them somehow but does not know if its from her memory or if she is just imaging it.
SWIM is a user. tends not to dream when using coz dreaming involves Sleep! SWIM sleeps during the week but doesnt get the chance to awaken slowly in order to remember her dreams- its more like: wake up! ur late for work! so swim gets up in a hurry..
SWIM has had n OBE but doesnt know if it was a dream. She was sitting in a tree on a branch outside her bedroom window. doesnt remember leaving her body or going back into it. just remember the rain.
Anyhoo, if anyone has any ideas on any of SWIMS experiences, get at me?
Cheers for reading my babble :D

[RJeez]

SWIM has had 2 kinds of oobe's.One where SWIM floated out of his body into the room,and one where SWIM went down tunnels,came out into empty space,and seen a light that felt cosmic!It was a very reminiscent of the film "Contact" when Jodie Foster travels in that machine.

[Nicaine]

A true OBE requires (a belief in) a "soul" separate from the body but somehow "inside" the body. Otherwise, what the heck is it that's supposed to be leaving/returning?

Suppose rather than a soul residing in a body, in truth the body 'resides' as an imaged location within Awareness? A sort of (imaginary, illusory) place for memory/awareness/thought to "hang its hat" -- so to speak.

I.E. the opposite: The body may be within the soul, not the soul within the body. If an OBE were real then, it would constitute a sort of temporary breakdown of the illusion that we are a separate body/mind within a universe. Perhaps the body, mind and universe are actually within us.

[RJeez]

SWIM reckons that oobe's are more real than "reality",and that the spirit is first,and the body,mind and soul are inventions of it.

[darkglobe]

I have been trying to achieve a sustained state of sleep paralysis for quite some time.

No success, aside from a few hypnagogic images, but my attention span is not the greatest.