What to do in case of a Bad Trip [Archive]

elbow

09-12-2004, 18:57

Also, don't be afraid to state your needs. For instance, if the music is freaking you out or the lighting is too much, or there is someone around who is making you feel paranoid-then ask if anybody minds if you change the music/lighting or go somewhere else for a little while. I mean, don't be a selfish asshole, but something as simple as a minor environmental change can really help snap people out of a bad trip, especially music/lights. Just don't worry, you will be fine. It is not like you will become suddenly crazy, just remember it is from a drug and will be over soon.

Once whenI was on 2c-i and thought that I had lost feeling in one of my arms, 'cause it was not moving when I told it to and it felt abnormally heavy and also warm. I was kind of worried but just told myself that now was not the time to worry, that I would see how I felt the next day and if it was still wierd, then I could freak out. I just went to sleep with a "dead arm" and woke up perfectly fine. So really it is about making certain that you retain a segment of your rational mind.

Growling_grover

09-12-2004, 21:43

Can not be stressed enough, be in a comfortable enviroment and have a relaxed state of mind (no depression, big insecurities or trauma or stuuf like that), No telephoneeither, "normal"conversation is not possible and when you should see people or telephone someone it can freak you out a little. (I accidentally picked up the phone once http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif)

Doing it during daytime and walk in the woods or beach or whatever is very nice (with an experienced or sober sitter that is)

Guest

10-12-2004, 03:17

The way I think about preparing for a trip is to imagine that I am
about to regress in age to very young childhood. Like when you're a
little kid things will be both more awe-inspiring, and more terrifying,
and you will have little ability to deal rationally with either state
of mind. So having a "parent" nearby (a sitter) is a good idea, and
planning to only put yourself in situations where you are comfortable,
entertained, and not likely to become defensive or anxious, is key.

djryand

10-12-2004, 22:48

I like that advice Vic. I've heard something similar before from some psychedelic guru but forgot which one: a child sees the world through psychedelic eyes.

HippieD9

26-12-2004, 16:26

The best advice is a strong will, and a good sitter. Just keep in mind that you're trippin, and that things will be just fine tomarrow morning. A sitter with a calm voice and a little ice in a wet washcloth do wonders for calming you down too.

Peace,

D.

TheSilverFox

05-01-2005, 03:22

Here some tips I do when I plan on tripping many were said above. Do it when your relaxed, calm, and positive. Mindframe is a big factor. When I have a sitter, I usually make a deal with them. Like you can free range of my apartment food, drink, tv etc. Just do not bother me and come in every now and then to check up on things dont watch me at a constant basis. That makes for a better trip I think. Darkness is always good, at least for me. If you plan to trip with music, have it some cool and calm music. Ambient or mellow. Some bands I trip to is Floyd, Doors, Trance/Techno. I know that sounds cliche but trust me trippin on stuff listening to hard metal and whatnot is not a good idea. If you feel like the music is bothering you turn it off. Tripping with friends can create a rather interesting experiences and stories.

Dualpower

08-01-2005, 04:02

Be with someone else who knows the drug and understands

When having a bad trip, change the situation you're in, move locations, change lighting etc (as mentioned above)

Also don't be terrified if you realize you shouldn't have taken a drug
because you were previously not in a good mindstate - it will only make
things worse. Actually, I would expect that for some drugs / doses of
drugs the intensity of the experience is unexpected by any amount of
preparation and stress/terror can be imminent.

As long as you can find someone to talk you down you should be
fine. In the absense of people just repeating the notion that you will
be fine and making a focussed effort not to be freaked out by things
can help a lot. Talk out loud if you have to.

Alquimista

11-01-2005, 14:08

Every psychonaut should read this trough:
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/psychedelic_crisis_ faq.shtml

Best collection of tips and advice I have managed to find up to date.

dmax

11-01-2005, 18:39

Dualpower's advice is key: don't get pissed off at yourself for doing
the drug. Once you're on it, try to enjoy it, otherwise it's a
waste. I've spent hours sitting around wishing I hadn't taken
something. There's no way to go back in time, so just relax and
have fun with it.

dastardlymonkey

20-01-2005, 22:36

have an experienced guide on hand. i can vouche that ciggarettes are a good thing. i do not know if the reduce the effects of the psychedelic but sometimes it is what holds it all together. if something does not feel right abort before taking the drug. it is better to deal with it before your high. mindset is very important. do not go overboard your first time. benzos and anti-psychotics are also very good to have on hand. i haave had to feed people thorazine and seroquil on a few occasions.

EDIT: NEUROLEPTICS (THORAZINE ETC) ARE HIGHLY CONTRAINDICATED WITH PSYCHEDELICS, DO NOT ADMINISTER. thanks, nanoEdited by: nanobrain

Micklemouse

20-01-2005, 23:03

Hope you had some procyclidine to hand as well - I've known people have dystonic and EPSE reactions with as low as 25mg thorazine(aka chlorpromazine, aka Largactil), and the last thing you want on acid is a locked jaw, neck, wrists and shoulders, with your cheeks creeping towards your forehead and no control over your eyes as they decide to roll into the back of your head!

Please don't feed trippers anti-psychotics - they're not safe drugs, especially the old-school ones like largactil, haloperidol and clopixol. Atypicals such as Seroquel and Olanzepine are a lot safer, but still have the potential to bring about similar side-effects. If you must use a chemical to bring someone down, stick to benzo's or a little bit of good beer.

Keep it safe!

Nitrate

21-01-2005, 06:30

Wow, counter drugs for the counter drugs.

You know maybe the best thing to remember is if its not something
speedy or sedating (ie a true hallocinogen) the worst thing that ever
happens (other than some mildly supported urban legends) is your a
littly freaked out for 8 hours. If you made sure you have a
sitter and a day to kill (dont have to pick up your grandparents at the
airport later) then nothing can really go wrong. There is no
really easy way out with more drugs - sorry i started the thread in
this direction. I just though people should know that a smoke may
help a bit but your not going to find an "LSD undo".

jduba

21-01-2005, 08:05

FREAK OUT!!! have had one bad trip and there was no way that i could
have prep. for it just one of those outa your control type situations.
i just ate xanax until the trip went right away

Tavz

22-01-2005, 04:57

I tried acid for the first time on Monday. It was a mixed bag. The trip started out great, everything seemed really funny for the first 45minutes, then out of nowhere the backround in Everybody Loves Raymond started to melt. I did a double take and it goes away. So I figure I better go take a piss before it really kicks in. By the time I get back to my bedroom I am tripping. For the first 3 hours its great, everything is melting and changing shapes and changing into other objects. Colors are going from extremly colorful to black and white, really crazy. Sounds kinda freaked me out though, it was coming in waves, it would sound normal, then really low, then high, then far away ect... Anyway, during the 4th hour I started to get really anxious and paranoid which only got worse as the night went on. It came out of nowhere and I have no idea what caused it.

I learned a few things that night though. "The most powerful mind-altering substance known to man." is not a phrase to be taken lightly. Make sure the environment is comfortable, no phone, no people or distractions. Have a sitter (which I did not but wish I had). Its called tripping for a reason, it lasts a LONG time, my trip lasted just over 8 hours, the come-up time was only about an hour so thats almost 7 hours of tripping hard.

Also, I learned why people say they were "fryin", at about the 5th hour I could feel heatthough my eyes and it felt like my brain was justfrying. Acid is some crazy shit. Its awesome though. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif

Emperiorjack

29-01-2005, 05:58

Would taking some melatonin work?

EDIT: TAKING MELATONIN DOES NOT WORK. thanks, nano
Edited by: nanobrain

xctico

30-01-2005, 04:25

"In otherwords I partialy agree with bealzabub, take with orange juice or something like that."

LOL you mademe laught bigtime. Once I was told that orange juice wqs
good thing to drink during a trip, I heard it was a catalizer and it
could intensify the trip. I drank about 2 gallons in a week [and 2 hits
a day for 7 days], I think it was most of what I ate for that whole
week.lol, the good ol days...

On the following months of that heavy trip, I was threathed with
Seroquel and Olanzepine [among others], the side effects of those
antipsicotics are awafull, I rather live with the nice little shini
lightshttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif.

seroquel was specially rough, I was totally useless, sleeping about 18
hours a day and falling asleep the rest of the time. awefull drug. Plus
I had several uncomfortable feelings of cuasipain in my arms, they felt
as if in an uncomfortable position no matter how I placed them..http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif

spacemonky

30-01-2005, 11:22

having been in precarious states of mind before, I can say that benzodiazepines and alcohol (NOT AT THE SAME TIME - don't ever mix the two) were lifesavers, especially when coming down from a trip. and be careful when mixing grass and psychedelics.

Meth0d

25-03-2005, 09:45

I reccomend writing the time you dosed on a piece of paper, and the expected duration. I find it helps me keep perspective when things get sketchy.Edited by: nanobrain

gn2osis

13-04-2005, 08:08

Some GREAT advice here. djryand and elbow are totally right
on. Pot is not recommended to mellow things out at
all. And have a good friend or two around, someone experienced
and trusted and positive.

One more thing: DOSAGE! Don't start too high! You can
always boost a little after forty-five minutes to an hour (for LSD and
shrooms; other psychdelics, e.g. some of the RC's, can take longer or
shorter to show their full effects). Keep track of time, and
write down how much you took when, so you don't add more before feeling
the effects of what you already took. A tolerance eventually
kicks in, and you might not have as intense a trip as if you took a big
dose all at once, but what's the rush? You'll trip again.
Enjoy the scenery and the newness. If you have to err on one
direction, you want a really good time more than you want a really
intense time, right? So wade in comfortably and enjoy.
Tripping is really amazing, and remember, dosage is just as important
as set and setting.</span>

raven3davis

13-04-2005, 16:48

First thing to do is try to avoid the bad trip all toghther. Know
your limits for the drugs you are taking. Second, if you are
going to trip, make sure you are in the right mind set and at the right
location. Wear comftorable clothes and be with your close friends
at a chill location. If you do start having a bad trip just
remember, it will end, and nothing that is happening is real.
Start thinking about good things, and not bad things. Also benzos
will help in case of emergency. If things take a turn for the
worst you can always take a xanax bar. But just remember, it is a
drug, and they fuck with your mind. It will come to an end and
everything will be okay. Just enjoy your trip, even if it is too
intense. The main thing is, dont take too much. You can
always take more if necessary but you cant reverse time.

Hyperreal

14-04-2005, 00:30

I've got this idea for an easy way to get people out of bad trips. It's just an idea, I haven't had the chance to try it out and hopefully won't have the chance, but I'd like to know if it works.

The idea is this: use smelling salts. Usually made from ammonium carbonate or anything that smells really strong. You hold it under someone's nose and the whiff of the thing is enough of a stimulus to jolt a man out of unconsciousness or semi-consciousness. It could also work for trips that are too intense and delusional. Just an idea...

sabe

08-05-2005, 23:20

never under any cicumstance,look in a mirror!or into a cup of coffee while tripping on LSD.the mirror will hold you captive as you examine each and every detail of your face,and your eyes will reflect the infinite darkness of the drug induced abyss.this can lead to picking the face. trying to remove imperfections that dont really exist.the use of knives ect. to slash off noses,or remove lips and eyelids.

the danger posed by the coffee cup is just as terrifiing.falling in,looking out,unable to claw your way out of the dark,suffocating liquid.LSD is the most powerful psychedelicdrug known to man,i found this out the hard way.two hits of blotter from a biker who was jetting through the town i lived in as a kid.

i didnt rearrange my face,(thank god) but i saw things that are as clear today as they wereon that night over twenty yrs ago.the sheer power of the drug still amazes me,and the only reason the trip didnt turn into a nightmare is because of a christmas tree.it was the only object that didnt stretch and twist into some hideous drug induce version of reality.

i sat there in the recliner and watched as my big toe swelled to basketball size.then stretched away across the room to appear like a gremlin behind the head of a friend whos eyes had all the look of a cartoon,and whos lips had pursed into a big,glaring kiss.the carpet seemed to come right up and hold at eye level.i could see the colors and fibers so clearly it was like i was down on all fours looking through a magnifying glass.

walking to the kitchen to get (orange juice)which my good friends had told me would "bring me down"was like treading through a swamp as my legs were only an inch long and attached to feet that stretched to massive porportions.reaching into the fridge,i grabbed the bottle of life saving elixer and guzzled it down like a man dying of thirst.then lurched back to my chair to resume my drug induced helter skelter.

now though i was confident that my trip would end and all would return to normal because of the magical effects of the citric acid i had just consumed.(i was wrong)good friends yea,right!there was one dude who i never really liked who was also tripping with me that night.he squatted directly across from me,not sitting in his chair mind you,but squatting like a small subhuman bat.his dark brown hair slicked back and his shirtless torso gleaming with sweat.

his eyes were beady and i watched in stunned silence as his mouth twitched,producing glimpses of white teeth and a flickering tongue. his ears had skewed back and came to sharp points against the sides of his (now)egg shaped head.so he squatted,bare foot and bare chested accross from me.and i sat and stared,knowing that my inital impression of him being a rat was justified and disliking him all the more.

the so called(good time)lasted for around 15 hrs and i could go on about what i observed.but it would be pointless as i will not try and promote the use of LSD.it may be a pleasant recreational drug for someone with a less active imagination than mine,but to me it was unsettling and wierd.so be careful (first time user)the trip is powerful and if it gets the best of you it can turn into a nightmare of hellish porportions.

Mezza

11-05-2005, 07:59

Sabe that wasa BAD trip bro, OMG!! http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gifI feel for you...

If you're going to experiment, you have to expect to go through the 'dark wood' sooner or later. It can come up when you least expect it. Most often, it will be the culmination of issues that are buried in your subconsious and need to be addressed...similar to why you'll have a vivid, terrifying dream.

Ive had a few bad experiences, but I honestly feel Im a lot stronger now because of them. When my mind starts going crazy, things start to turn hellish...I focus really hard and mentally 'push' the bad energy out of my body, the entire time reminding myself over and over that its just the drug and everything is going to be OK. Normally the result of this exercise is a complete 180, the experience goes from terrifying to exhilerating. Fueled by the fact that I just outran the demons in my head.:) Or, rather, chased them out with psychedelic broomstick.

Shrooms are a lot less potent but a little moredark for me. I find it alot easier to have a bad trip off of shrooms than on acid.Shrooms will give you a more mellow high, but with less visuals. But everyone is different, I got some friends who prefer shrooms over acid, it's all up to you.

Ive found that shrooms can be incredibly potent, and phenomenaly visual. Ive found LSD's visuals to be more precise, and 'faster' interms of movement - but shrooms are definitely on the same level for me. I like the shorter duration as well...its rare I find time for a 14 hour trip these days! (or the LSD to do it with, for that matter!!)

Mezza

nanobrain

13-05-2005, 10:59

ok, thread cleaned, wrong and useless info deleted. i reckon it warrants a sticky now.

prospero

16-05-2005, 12:52

All the info. about preparation, sitters, and getting the dose right is smack on. If however you're still uncomfortableduring the trip I find physical exercise, particularly walking, always shakes me out of it. Just make sure you're not anywhere where you could get lost, and preferably somewhere you won't be required to interract with members of the public.

Another useful thing, in the absence of a sitter, is to make a phone call to a sympathetic friend who understands these things.

uqlfy

21-05-2005, 20:04

[QUOTE=sabe]

never under any cicumstance,look in a mirror!or into a
cup of coffee while tripping on LSD.the mirror will hold you captive as
you examine each and every detail of your face,and your eyes will
reflect the infinite darkness of the drug induced abyss.this can lead
to picking the face. trying to remove imperfections that dont really
exist.the use of knives ect. to slash off noses,or remove lips and
eyelids.

the danger posed by the coffee cup is just as terrifiing.falling
in,looking out,unable to claw your way out of the dark,suffocating
liquid.LSD is the most powerful psychedelicdrug known to man,i
found this out the hard way.two hits of blotter from a biker who was
jetting through the town i lived in as a kid.

Man rough trip and all but Id like to say that mirrors and coffee cups alone a bad trip do not make. I like</span>
mirrors when trippin especially on e facing the other so i can stare
into infinity. Perhaps the mirror image just brought out your own
negative feelings about your appearence etc.

Diego

24-05-2005, 01:49

A bad trip is always a reason to worry, but I have found there is a lot of "urban legends" about this issue.

First, do not program yourself, don't be affraid. I was very worried before taking my first acid. I was affraidabout all those nasty things people write and tell. Monsters, non controlling yourself, suicide, etc.

If you are a normal, mature and stable person, you won´t have problems. I always had the mind to know I was under the effect of a drug, that I should not do any "harm", and that this trip will go away in a few hours.

My experiences with acid have been good experiences so far, and I did not follow all the advices (but I agree with them) to avoid a bad trip.

You should be in a state of mind, similar to a kid going to disneyland for the first time. Anxious, but happy and expecting fun.

My first experience with LSD wasin a rave in the dessert, just after breakingup a relationship of 4 years with my girlfriend. The dose was two "papers" took one hour appart (acid fooled me, it took a while to kick inso I tool the second paper).I tried to put aside the bad feelings coming frommy sentimental breakage, and worked fine. No sober sitter, just a good friend with me, trying acid for the first time too. I do not say this is the best way, it was risky, but worked fine, as long a you keep yor mind"cool".

LSD is great, powerful and surprising, but not uncontrollable and not as "bad" as the urban legends tell.

Second experience, in a big and overcrowded newyear's party at the beach. This was a strong experience, for some reason the two papers (two seem to be a dose that works fine with me) were really strong. The crowd, the music, the people talking to you, the need to socialize, was making me paranoic, so I went out of the party (telling my sobber friends before) and sat down by myself besides a palm tree. I stayed there for a few hours, and it was fun.

I will not list all the experiences, but even if your set and setting is not the recomended one, it will not be a tragedy, you will not be killed by the drug or yourself.

The way it works with me:

- always in open spaces, not inside a club, house or any building. Most of the trip should be during daytime, I can start at dawn, but sunlight (wear shades) and open spaces make the experience very enjoyable, this way you keep your eyes and mind busy with a nice view and positive thinking.

- avoid crowds or crowded spaces. I never do it alone, most of the times in a party or concert, but I always look for a spot where I can be away from the people.

- do not expect to socialize or join the group for talking. If you want to socialize, don´t take the acid. If you think the people around are going to be talking to you and interrupting your trip, don´t take the acid. You will not stand to be with people requesting from you an intelligent conversation.

- a sober sitter is a very good advice, altough I prefer a trip partner. I always take acid when very good sober friends are around, but not besides me all the time. Having a good friend besides you, tripping at the same time with you, this is fun.

- never share your acid or any drug with other people, even friends. You do not want responsability in your trip, you do not want to feel resposible for whatever happens to others. You are nor able to deal with these during acid. Feeling remorse, affraid or worried makes the trip nasty.

- laugh, smile, surprise yourself. Keep your mind positive. Even if the feeling is overwhelming or even if you see something "scary", laugh about it. Remember this is like a movie, it will not harm you and it will end soon.Laugh about all you see and feel.

Acid is becoming my favorite drug, if I am not in a very social enviroment.

Good luck!

sterling77

24-05-2005, 02:13

Would taking some melatonin work?

EDIT: TAKING MELATONIN DOES NOT WORK. thanks, nano

Why wouldn't it? I know it's really hard to fall asleep on acid, but wouldn't melatonin knock you out? What about other sleep aids?

nanobrain

24-05-2005, 03:11

melatonin does not abort LSD nor is it effective as a "knockout" and some reports indicate increase in hallucinatory activity from the mix.

sleep aids, and melatonin, would have the best efficacy administered towards the very tail end of the trip.

Chaote

24-05-2005, 04:17

Like Diego said about a trip partener apposed to a sitter I really enjoy a partener more becasue they know what your going through and you can use them as a reference you can be like hey there not dieing so why would I. I generally go into a trip thinking I am strong, and I am proud I am experienced and nothing bad is gonna happen this is fun it will be fun and I will have fun. for the first while of my drug using carreer I didn't really know about bad trips so I never even though about it I thought this is something you do g\for fun not for a bad time. I find that a drug is more effective in a smaller space lik I took 1 hit of some acid in a friends tree house and it was a COOL trip, but later I took 2 hits in my backyard COOL nonethe less but not as intense. Alchohol is good for cutting chems like acid or e, I generally refuse to drink when on these because im afraid it wil lessen the trip.

gn2osis

24-05-2005, 05:34

Xanax (alprazolam) definitely helps with the tailing insomnia at the
end of a trip, and reportedly helps abort a too-intense trip as
well.
<a href="http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9836&" target="_blank" target="_blank">Link
to thread</a>.

(edit: hey wow, that was the big 150 posts.)





Edited by: gn2osis

sg43

25-05-2005, 20:04

My way of getting over a bad trip is whatever you see think its funny, no matter how scary something may seem just remember to laugh at it and that its all in your head...whenever i trip im laughing constantly to prevent myself from slipping into a bad trip.

moracca

01-06-2005, 03:24

I've really only had two bad trips... neither of which were really horrible, but not as enjoyable as I would have liked...

Once, on 10 hawiian baby woodrose seeds, I was having a great trip, but needed to go home, where my mom was, and in doing so needed to talk to her on the way to my room. This didn't go well as she could tell that there was obviously something wrong. I spent the rest of the night either in my room afraid that she was going to find out or in the bathroom on my knees staring at the carpet as it carried me up and down on its waves. I found that repeating to myself that it was just a drug helped, and for some reason, focusing my vision on my toothbrush and repeating to myself that that toothbrush was real brought me back to reality and grounded me somewhat, but I really wish I had stayed out and not come home. I would suggest not having to talk to anyone who wouldn't condone your actions on any psychedelic. (that includesphones)

One other time, an equal dose of seeds for some reason took around 6 hours to begin to show its effects, at which time I was trying to sleep, and not ready to be tripping. That freaked me out, and it was more inconvenient than anything, because it messed with my sleep schedule and everyone I was with was asleep so I was left alone to navigate those excrutiatingly long 6 hours or so.

//moracca

truestbet

02-06-2005, 05:09

Yes like what everyone was sayin here,it seems like your best bet would be weed, benzos, or alcohol. when swim used to trip on 5meos and mushrooms, he found that anuncommon anti-psychotic called trilafon could cancel out his trip almost like magic. he said it was not true for other anti psychotics, just trilafon, like a magic stop trippin pill. but my guess is that this would bewayyy harder to find for you than more conventional medicines. if only they had stop trippin medicine at drug stores like they have hangover prevention medicine, the world would be a better place. if you saw a doctor while you were trippin, he would see how stressed you were acting and probably prescribe you valium.

gn2osis

03-06-2005, 00:37

^ Would have to disagree re weed. It seems to intensify a trip if
anything, or even jump-start one that's been slow to kick in. But weed
is something that people vary a lot in their response to. The
point being, I wouldn't rely on it to stop a bad trip unless I'd tried
it before and knew it worked that way in my own case.

truestbet

03-06-2005, 05:35

Agreed, weed is more of a prefered drug by *some* people. See when I used to smoke weed I would always tell myself I was on one of the most relaxing drugs in the universe, and it would relax me a lot. Numerous times (a long long time ago, in a place far far away)I could never get that edge off a strong trip without smoking a lil weed. Some people get nervous and freak out on weed alone, so I mean, yeah it is really up to the person. I guess whatever normally would relax you and calm you down will help, as long as it doesnt interfere. Also.. amphetamines I've read will cancel a trip out but seems like it would add to the paranoia... Anyone?

nanobrain

03-06-2005, 06:16

^where did you read this? mj will without a doubt intensify the psychedelic state, and i cant imagine a mechanism via which amphetamines could diminsih the bad trip factor.Edited by: nanobrain

enquirewithin

03-06-2005, 09:02

yes-- and when the amphetamine wears off (two or three hours) you will have extra anxiety to deal with!

ldeezy80

03-06-2005, 15:46

weed REALLY makes your trip intensify, if you ask me. go with valium or xanax to come down. most importantly surround yourself with trustworthy friends and a nice environment and you'll have a great time. save the downersfor the end.

truestbet

04-06-2005, 12:04

Swim says cocaine and meth/ampetamines (not recommended) usuallycancels out a trip almost instantly. Irealize the anxiety a few hours later will be there, but is easily overcome for some people. Thatsall i was refering to, sorry for the confusion. That would have to be in an extreme situation, for a certain type of individual. Everyone I know smokes when they trip (not recommended)and it calms them down, andgives the trip a more positive vibe, they say.I don't know about mechanisms or chemistry invloved, only what I have witnessed.I can't believe nobody here has had a bad trip that was easily cured by weed. Forsome people i knowa bad trip could comejust from lack of weed to smoke. I guess if you dont normallysmoketons ofweed, take/chew some xanax, valium, or ativan to help your ease your trip, as directed.

Bwen

13-06-2005, 01:32

I had a really bad trip on mushrooms a couple weeks ago. The reason for the bad trip was probably because of some things on my mind. There were 5 of us on mushrooms and 1 person was the "guide"

Anyways we were going through the woods when the guide decided to try to freak us out by saying there was a bear about 100 yards away. Well most people laughed it off but for some reason it freaked me out hardcore. All of a sudden I totally forgot where I was and I thought we were going farther into the woods when we were actually going back to town.

The only thing that made me calm again was seeing street lights..

I have done mushrooms many times and this was the first time that I have ever had a bad trip. This trip really turned me off visual drugs for awhile.

sloppo

15-06-2005, 10:02

SWIM has never had anything remotly close to a bad trip, but he is strong willed and has a strong mind. SWIM finds that psychedelics in the right setting are just way too fun for him to have a bad time. Just remember to have fun and be happy, and that the drugs effects will wear off in time.

If your thoughts are troublesome, that could be the begining of a bad tirp. Try to think about something else, go to different surroundings, even just another room or something. Try to talk with someone, that gets your mind off what you are thinking. Be positive.

Another thing SWIM has learned he can do isjust stop thinking altogether. He can easily turn it off like a switch. He believes its some form of meditation, but all he does is kind of zones out and stares. Pretty visuals make this very easy for him to do. When SWIM does this the visuals tend to intensify greatly and he is filled with a sense of joy, love, beauty, light. SWIM is not a particularly spirtual person, buthe believes this is the divine presense (Same exact feeling he gets when doing Sufi practices, Zikr inparticularly). SWIM can see why the term "entheogen" is sometimes used.

Sabe:LSD is the most powerful psychedelicdrug known to man....

I disagree with this statement. LSD may be one of the most potent psychedelic drugs; it is by no means the most powerful. SWIM finds that high doses of mushrooms get him farther out there, and have you heard of DMT? This is only from SWIMs experience though, and he cannot say much about epic doses of LSD.

Sloppo

scythebunny

18-06-2005, 23:31

personally i believe in something that is repeated over and over is tostay in controll by believing what ever is happening is caused by the drug but u have controll. and make sure u are with someone u can really trust to look after u no matter where u are.

my story and lesson learned...

the first time i started taking drugs i started with pills with my bf back then and did not realise soon enoughi was with the wrong people. i hadntknowen them forlong and they were my bf friends i met them when we started going out they introduced me toe. i also learnedthe fine art they practised of "mind fucking" (as i call it) or the sick game some people play of phsycing someone out on drugs for kicks. like the experience 'Bwen' had when his guide mentioned the bear.

one night we'd popped a few e's and smoked some swazi gold when my bf and one of his friends said i should join then and chat.his friend was the "guide" and we chated for awhile thenthe swazi kicked in and as a newbie i had no idea what i was in for. istarted gapping like no other and seeing all sorts of shit. i was ok then just kinda fasinated then they stated toying with my mind saying shit like "where'd u go we've been waiting for u" "no now we going and leaving u behind u have to catch up" i got really confused and paranoid and they would do stuff like just sit and stare at each other then simultaniously turn and look at me and laugh or mouth things to one another then look at me and do it to me, look back eachother and start talking normally they would say things like "ur fucked in the head" or " ur so wasted get a grip"it freaked me out so much then eventually the "guides" gf who didnt want to be any part of there game told them to stop it. which is when i just got up and sat in a cold shower fully clothed and fully freaked out... baaaaaaad trip!!!

they never did it to me again but for the three weeks following that that i stayed their friends i saw then do it numouroous times to anyone who remotely tried to join the group that they didnt approve of. it really made me sick.

has anyone else had a bad trip similar to this that has been perposfully ruined by someone else looking to get kicks out of it or on a power trip. or herd of this being done as a real game.

armatitumor

21-06-2005, 14:54

offtopicEdited by: nanobrain

prospero

25-06-2005, 13:15

I think you're pretty protected from bad trips until you have the first one, then because you know things can turn nasty it's always in the back of your mind that it can happen again, which of course makes it more likely. For yearsI had no concept what a bad trip was, then I had one, and since then every trip has had its 'bad' moments. However once you get used to it and know how to deal with it, it's not such a big problem. I find a combination of logic ('I know that tree over there canonly be a tree, no matter how much it looks like the devil') and letting go (OK so it's going bad, who cares, I've been here before and survived, and so I all I've got to do is endure this for a while) usually means things get back on track pretty quickly.

Failing that a good brisk walk in a safe environment should bring you back to earth.

twintornado

25-06-2005, 15:52

swim had taken 2 big handfuls of thai mushrooms at a full moon party.
trip started becoming bad after sitting in the sea and then thinking
they had shit themelves. sounds stupid and funny but started it off.
after several hours they wanted to throw themselves down some steep
concrete steps. needless to say 20mg of valium helped a lot.

A lesson (not learned), don't take mind altering drugs in strange countries by yourself.
Edited by: twintornado

methyl dreams

27-06-2005, 17:07

ive only ever had 1 bad trip on mushies it was a rollercoaster all i remember is the little mushrooms inside of me slowly dissolving in my stomach making me feel like i was constantly poisend, i kept asking my sister to take me to the hospital then 2 minutes later i would say no im fine im right now

i had em' again on the weekend this is the first time in 2 yrs, had a really good trip, every thing was awesome woke up the next day and still felt awesome, i find i need 2 trip every year or so to open my mind again to what is really going on in my life

Hyperreal

06-07-2005, 00:54

Some people claim that 500mg niacin (vitamin B3) and plenty of water can terminate a trip

anon1bajillion

06-07-2005, 05:42

Anyone else wanna confirm alcohol as being effective?

A dealer told me that the conventional wisdom if you do something like
spill a ton of acid on yourself accidentally is to just go straight
over to the liquor cabinet and drink yourself under the table just to
stop yourself from going crazy.

Obviously aside from massive dosages this would only apply to horribly
bad trips but it'd be nice to know that this is an option as a last
resort (not to mention comforting during the trip as well).

Edited by: anon1bajillion

nanobrain

09-07-2005, 05:38

anon1bajillion

09-07-2005, 07:22

^that is the stupidest bit of advice i ever heard. you should change dealers as yours stands misinformed.

should you try to drink away a trip, you will be horribly drunk and
tripped out, leading to much more potential for trouble.

Thanks.

The only part that made sense to me was actually getting to the point
of passing out if it gets that bad in which case the alcohol would
overpower the drug and you would just pass out. This is risky in
itself but I could see it being a much better alternative than letting
50 hits hit you.

I've also heard some antecdotal reports of people's trips being
lessened by alchohol, usually reported as "ruined" but I thought it
might work in case of a bad one also.

nanobrain

09-07-2005, 10:28

not likely. simply put, when bad tripping, especially on a high dose, no likely amount of alcohol will make you pass out. the amount you would have to drink would literally kill you.

the least harmful scenario i can imagine is that you would end up with the most severe drug/alcohol hangover this side of Siberia.

liquidknives

03-08-2005, 08:10

Typically, the excitement of getting good acid is enough to put me in a good mood for the trip. i like to make it into an adventure - something of a journey you go on to escape that negativity, and subsequently look at it from a different and more objective light to help fix it. makes for a much more rewarding experience, too.

As far as set and setting, being places that make you comfortable yet at the same time, excited tend to do it for me. depends on the trip you want. if you are comfortable being alone when you're baseline, chances are you can be comfortable being alone while tripping... however it's best to be with friends. being alone can make time drip like chinese water torture and put you in time loops that can be insane. this is only good for when you are really looking to enjoy serious introspection. but choose wisely the people... my best advice is to keep the hell away from people who love drama. my first shroom experience fell into this fate... it wasnt all bad, but being around the drama was agonizing. stay with people who are passive and confident.

oldman

18-08-2005, 02:21

swim's wife started down the dark path once and he just tried to calm her by saying that everything she felt was already inside of her before, and all she had to do was concentrate hard realize that this would not last more than a couple more hours and that she ought to enjoy the benfits now while she can. This ended in her going back to having another two hour orgasm before coming back to earth.

Creeping Death

18-08-2005, 18:27

oldman

19-08-2005, 11:24

try "AIR" or "Nightmares on Wax" that's pretty mellow stuff.

Pinkavvy

19-08-2005, 11:58

Dexy Mcfukfuk

07-09-2005, 19:59

i find that once a bad trip had set in, if the person is on a significant amount of acid, there is not a whole lot one can do. Just be with someone, treating your own abd trip is probably impossible, but perhaps having someone who you know and trust will help you get by whatever is causing the trip to go awry.

Prevention is key.

1) start low, when acid is in its first stage it can be very bodily overwhelming, if ur not used to it, it can really throw you for a ride.

2) set and setting, make sure your mindset is clear and your setting is safe and relaxing. Nothing is stupider then tripping with your parents in the house and having to keep quiet so they wont hear you.

3) dont bring anything valuable along with you, not only might you lose it, but the thought of losing it may make ur trip a bit nervous.

PsyDefects

10-09-2005, 18:41

SWIM thinks that the opiates are the most effective in dealing with bad
trips. In SWIM's experience, opiates nullified the mental effects of
acid completely, leaving only a bit of body tension lingering. SWIM
wants to add that passing out from opiates while on acid is extremely
dangerous and can lead to OD. Lower doses should do the trick, being on
the nod is not sought after in such cases. Acid's half-life is
significantly longer than most opiates' and re-dosing may be necessary
after a while. Also, most psychedelics tend to mask the sedating
effects of the opiates so dosing needs to be done with extra caution.

a_northern_soul

22-09-2005, 20:07

Swim has three simple ideas for halting a bad trip:

1) Change rooms: just walking out of the room when you're kind of in a panic usually seems to do the trick. If you've got a good head on your shoulders, you'll probably just realise that all the problem you had were in your head. Then you'll walk back into the room and have the greatest time of your life.

2) Dance: put on your favourite music and just dance. Make sure you're staying hydrated and not bumping into anything though.

3) Don't use more chemicals to stop the problem! If it's not a bad trip, but you just have the jitters from the stimulant effects of LSD, try some weed, but otherwise, Swim suggests that psychedelics are very powerful and can change the way your body perceives sensations, so don't put any other chemicals into your body, including caffeine and nicotine. If you're having a good trip though, cigarettes are a good "bump" Swim finds, as is a small glass of fine wine.

Trip on!

drugs-bunny

13-10-2005, 16:50

just talk to someone about something nice, if someone is having a bad
trip, NEVER react like "HOLY SHIT! ARE U HAVING A BAD TRIP?!" or
something like that. and if i'm having a bad trip, i really REALLY hate
it if people are asking me things, whatever it is. just stay calm, try
to entertain the person, listen to music that makes the person happy or
relax (calm and relaxed music, for example shpongle, sasha, saint
germain...). tell the person the trip is going to wear off in a few
hours, and that a bad trip usually doesn't last the whole trip.

valium helps to relax and reduce anxiety and keep u calm.

thorazine eliminates the trip. (i think this is what they give a person
who is in the ER room and totally freaking out on something)

Benga

13-10-2005, 17:20

most people recommend anxiolitics for chemically taming down a trip, with the general notion that "this is not a good thing to do" and that's it's better to try and live it out if one can.

change of settings,swim remember diving into the sea with a mask at 6 in the morning as the sun was coming up in Ibiza 12 years ago, surrounded by fish as if it was in an aquarium, it was near some rocks and apparently food time. The begining of the trip, in darkness at 4h30 am, at been pretty nightmarish and stressful (everyone around is laughing andall the whilehearing these two voices chatting in your head about what to do, shall we do this, no maybe this is better don't you think, aha but then...etc) the the sunrise, the fish, and everything lifted up.

Of course swimming while tripping is dangerous, so this is probably somewhat extreme. Oh, another thing on that, while coming down, swim and friends noticed that one could stay under water for a long time and not feel suffocation and panic. Weird, but also kind of dangerous...

take care

b

Ninja Master

23-10-2005, 04:14

for real, just pop in scar face, and watch tony do all the freaking
out. ive had alot of bad trips, but nothings saved me the way
scarface can. i mean a crazy coke dealer screaming into the phone
"FUCK FUCK FUCK" can realy lighten up the situation...... if you
think im kidding, pop it in next "bad" trip you have. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

big-lester

29-10-2005, 16:49

I agree, A movie helps you to take your thoughts away from the bad trip

scitech

29-10-2005, 19:03

I think a general consensus to stopping bad trips is just realizing what is actually happening

The reason we trip is because the mind is suddenly flooded with
hormones that it is only used to in small doses(seratonin on the
tryptamines, dopamine on the phenylethylamines)...so basically your
brain is freaking out. Realizing this, anything you think will make
your bad trip end will make it end.

One time coming down from shrooms I started to be convinced I was being
crushed within my own body, and that I was soon going to be the size of
a pin. What stopped it was convincing myself that nicotine would cause
my blood to flow faster and "open" my body again...suddenly smoking a
cigarette seemed to make everything better

When tripping the normal defensives the brain has against controlling
your subconcious feelings is gone. Therefore, just convining yourself
your not having a bad trip, or that something can stop that bad
trip(orange juice anyone?) will usually reverse it back to normal

-sCi

Ninja Master

31-10-2005, 07:35

the niacin just makes you itchy and hot. not pleasant on a bad
acid trip! you just gotta see someone else pimpin/chillen.
im seriously not kidding about tony montana and bad trips. one
good tony freak out makes a bad trip seem like ginger beer. if
you realy wanna terminate a crazy crazy trip your going to need heavy
tranqualizers that your only going to get from a hospital. beer
and milk both mellow me out on random freak outs. but dont rely
on beer alone since you can drink a ton of it when tripping! http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

big-lester

15-11-2005, 23:40

Therefore, just convining yourself
your not having a bad trip

That's funny, when I feel it's not going very good I just deny that I'm
feeling bad, I just convince myself it's not happaning and it always
helps.

good to knowhttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif

Edited by: big-lester

bonghed

17-11-2005, 15:18

IT's best to ride it out.

if ever too bad for you than get 50mg of valium (maybe 20mg if it's your first time) and a beer or glass of wine while waiting for vallies

if things get extreme there is something that when injected will kill a trip fairly shortly(used for this purpose in hospital) i can't remember the name and it's pretty rare though vallium will do the trick (diazepam is probably best)

drugs-bunny

18-11-2005, 14:50

thorazine, it is said that when someone completely freaks out and ends
up in the emergency room tripping balls, they give him/her sum
thorazine and that should completely terminate the trip

Jatelka

18-11-2005, 22:19

thorazine, it is said that when someone completely freaks out and ends up in the emergency room tripping balls, they give him/her sum thorazine and that should completely terminate the trip

Do NOT, under any circumstances allow medics to give anyone you're with a major tranquiliser like Thorazine (or Haloperidol etc) if they're freaking out on acid. These just reduce motor agitation, and do nothing for the anxiety/freaky thoughts. So now you have someone who's having a hideous time on LSD and can't communicate their distress. Major tranquilisers also have problematic side effects (especially for younger people)of dyskinesia/dystonia(motor tics/abnormal movements), low blood-pressure leading to collapse and many others.

Link here

www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/chlorpromazine_ad.htm (http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/chlorpromazine_ad.htm)

Many of these only apply to long term use, but can happen with large doses given im (as often occurs in acute agitation): Would you want them?

The correct treatment for LSD freakout (if someone really needs medical attention) is benzodiazepines.

Peace X

Grautr

20-11-2005, 17:37

I was thinking about trying LSD or mushrooms for new years (never tried psychadelics before). The only worry i have about it is having a bad drip, like getting extremely paranoid or suicidal. So i'm wondering what you can do in case this happens.

Is there a way to bring yourself out of a bad trip and sutch. And in case you cant, is it a good idea to smoke a lot of weed or take a lot of valium to knock yourself out, rather than hanging out for 12 hours feeling terrible.

sure, if we were at a squat party and someone went on a bad trip (Jack running round in his underpants trying to fight everyone was quite a vivid example) then we would give them (in Jacks case we tied him up and then blew it up his nose) a fat line of ketamine to knock them out. When they woke up about an hour later they were still tripping but always said they felt better.

Grautr

20-11-2005, 17:40

Would drums or monotonous rhythms/music make you trip more relaxed and calm?

I mean like for example a shaman drum or something, that just plays like "bom----bom----bom" at a slow and never changing rhythm.

thats a very good question and although I havnt tried it I would think yes it would help. You dont want to bang the drum (assuming you had one to hand) to slow though. Any shamen who use drums to achieve a trance typicaly use a BPM of between 190 and 220. This is quite fast, about the same speed as a gabber track or some German speedcore.

Dumbnam

26-11-2005, 01:27

with mind altering chemicals, I almost always found that sunglasses and the outdoors help. the sunglasses make you feel almost invisible and the outdoors remove much of the paranoia assosiated with civilization

Dumbnam

26-11-2005, 01:34

tombstone

12-12-2005, 04:07

Swim was thinking of having some valium on stand-by incase swim (or smim's friends) 2c-i trip goes bad. But is it dangerous to take valium wilst on 2c-i. Once swim had quite a few drinks the night after a 4-ho-dipt trip and had a very bad reaction.

nanobrain

12-12-2005, 07:10

Dumbnam, unless you are living somewhere in Bulgaralbanistanabad, you dont have a prescription for thorozine.

tombstone, benzos are ok for 2C-I anxiety, although during one bad 2C-I trip, xanax did nothing at all, it was like applying a bandaid to a corpse.

Silence_Inc

12-12-2005, 14:12

swim has found that a change in setting and environment is the best way to change the direction of a trip.

for example ... if lights are on, and flashing lights are flashing and loud fast music is playing, go somewhere that has soft lighting and no flashes, switch to mellow music or vice versa.

it's amazing what switching the light on or off can do for the direction of a trip.

indeed - change the input of mind - give the five senses new stuff to interpret ... also talk about the most normal stuff and ask easy questions (you see this book? nice drawings ey? here, touch it) - this helps them to get out of their mind and focuss on you ... iv'e seen that poeple just wanna hear familiar stuff when going down into the heart of darkness ... they don't wanna be cured - cause this would mean they are sicjk - they just wanna be treated like their is nothing going on (wich is actually the case - only not in their minds)

(do have to mention this was on average doses - not on those hero-man's-youneys)

Equality

15-01-2006, 11:51

But how to trip again normally after having a bad trip?

SWIM noticed that the previous bad trip lingers in his thought, making a nice trip almost impossible because thinking of the previous makes for a dark cloud hanging over his head.

What is best in this scenario?

FrankenChrist

15-01-2006, 13:49

Stop tripping for a while. Do some good things with your life.

Jatelka

15-01-2006, 19:32

But how to trip again normally after having a bad trip?

Take each trip as a blank canvas (easier said than done). View each trip as useful, even if things don't go the way you want. Take time after each trip to integrate your experiences. Try to identify trigger points for things going pear-shaped and think about tricks you can try to snap yourself out of that mindset. Mostly it's about allowing yourself time between trips and trusting yourself

Micklemouse

16-01-2006, 01:37

I have a perscription for thorozine. If one was to attempt to obtain one, all you would have to do is go to your doctor and say you get fits of hiccups that last hours. Once you obtain a script, you will be able to determine if your allergic to it

By 'thorozine' I presume you mean thorazine, aka Largactil, aka Chlorpromazine, which is a Typical Antipsychotic, aka Major Tranquiliser, and which as Jatelka pointed out a while ago is the last thing you want to give to someone freaking out on a trip.

The side effects of these drugs are really quite grim and include agitation, restlessness (and I mean not being able to settle in one place. At all.), slurring of speech, locking of the muscles in the shoulders, wrists and neck, swelling, discolouration and protusion of the tongue, spasms in the facial muscles leading to painful lifting of the cheek bones and a very attractive rictus grin, almost uncontrollable rolling of the eyes and arching of the neck (oculogyric crisis - this can lead to permanent damage to the eyes, and is intensely painful) and some serious arching of the back. :eek: is a pretty good approximation of what a dystonic reaction can look like. Not pretty, not fun, not what you want when yer tripping!

You don't need a great deal of the medication in question to get one or more of the weird and not so wonderful reactions described (I've seen dystonic reactions from doses as low as 10mg chlorpromazine & 5mg Haloperidol), and tolerating one dose does not mean that you will tolerate another. The same effects, although not so common, can also be had from the newer Atypical Antipsychotics including Olanzepine, Risperidone and especially Abilify. If someone has taken an antipsychotic and experiences any of these effects, call an ambulance or get them to Casualty asap, telling the people you're dealing with exactly what they've taken, although possibly not mentioning the psychedelic in question! A quick dose af procyclidine or benxhexol usually does the trick.

So be careful kittlings. Antipsychotics are not toys or quick fixes.

As to what does work, that's as varied as the people who trip, and there are already most of the answers in this thread.

And as for 'getting back on the bike', first of all take a bit of time out and look at the issues that the bad trip bought up (or not if you feel they were nonsense!); think about your emotional, physical,spiritual state when the bad trip happened and learn from that - were you feeling run down, upset, stressed? If so you've learnt not to trip when these feelings are present (hopefully!), at least until you're more experienced and/or more Self aware and have learnt to put these things to one side or use the trip to usefully explore the issues - this can take a bit of practice, and is not recommended without a lot of work on one's Self before and after. Pay some serious attention to your set and setting, and, if possible, maybe have a well trusted sitter with you who can be trusted not to freak out, and who knows the drug and the taker well.

As with many things, expectation can play a huge part - if you expect bad things, they're more likely to happen. Try to go into your next trip with an open mind, and not worrying about whether you'll have a bad trip.

That said, bad trips can be incredibly cathartic and cleansing, a real learning experience when it comes to what the human psyche can handle. They can also be terrifying, damaging experiences that can leave deep and ppainful wounds that can take a long time to heal. If you find you're having regular bad trips, then maybe Alice is trying to tell you something.

Alice is a fine teacher and a fickle Lady - she may not want to dance with you. Listen to Her, and don't force the issue.

Alfa

17-01-2006, 04:41

sure, if we were at a squat party and someone went on a bad trip (Jack running round in his underpants trying to fight everyone was quite a vivid example) then we would give them (in Jacks case we tied him up and then blew it up his nose) a fat line of ketamine to knock them out. When they woke up about an hour later they were still tripping but always said they felt better.
Do not tie tripping people up! You have no idea to what trauma that can lead. Both mental and physical.

bonghed

20-03-2006, 18:38

Well in my experience in a "unhandable" (new word ppls) experience a strong opiate or benzo usually helps the most, although i always and will always advise to try and use your mind and ride shit throuugh, easier said than done i know, but maybe some things aren't for you then...

GDxCAT

20-03-2006, 18:44

when i come across negative thought loops on my trips i try to sit down and take deep breaths. i then put on the grateful dead (or shpongle) and start to dance untill all negativety is wiped out.

if that doesnt work than valium does.

Hyperreal

30-03-2006, 23:49

I call emergency services and say "I'm having a bad trip, send over a shaman at once!"

Seriously, though, Alfa is right, tying up someone on a bad trip is the exact opposite of what you should be doing. The ketamine was probably a good move

Equality, while it may be difficult to trip again after a bad trip, it can also be very therapeutic. Pretty much the only way to resolve a bad trip is to do it again, but make it good.

azrael2600

07-10-2006, 22:45

swim has been presdosing with low doses of benzodiazapines (mainly alprazolam) prior to ingesting psychadelics. this has been working for swim with amazing success and no more bad trips. never again will swim ever have one of those days of having a bad trip.

RJeez

12-11-2006, 14:44

I agree with boughed.Valium or any benzo will bring you straight down.Heroin doesn't bring you down the same,but it does make it more bearable.A strange combination is mushrooms and zimovane.Zimovane really seems to smooth out the trip without bringing you down too much,

duncdunc68

03-12-2006, 01:12

Fish keeps a tab of sub-lingual anti-psychotic close.

duncdunc68

03-12-2006, 01:22

A little knowledge.....

duncdunc68

03-12-2006, 01:23

Get over it!

duncdunc68

09-12-2006, 13:45

Grace Slick sung about 'Feed your head' in Go Ask Alice. I've heard that researchers on LSD in the 50's never suffered a bad trip if they consumed alot of sugar beforehand(like a couple of pounds). Wikipedia also has some mention to sugar being used to alleviate/prevent a BT.

Here is a fascinating article by Dr. Bart Huges. He identified the theory of the brainblood/volume action and the subsequent correlation with blood sugar levels. He is also a self-trepanner, please read.
http://joern.free.de/luck_hole.html

machine_elf

19-03-2007, 18:47

In SWIM's experience, Before doing any psychedelic you must be comfortable in letting go fo your ego, and everything you know to be real. NEVER resist. Submit to the power of the drug and learn from it. "Buy the ticket, Take the ride"

missguidance

20-07-2007, 03:04

[quote=gn2osis;71430]^ Would have to disagree re weed. It seems to intensify a trip if
anything, or even jump-start one that's been slow to kick in. But weed
is something that people vary a lot in their response to. The
point being, I wouldn't rely on it to stop a bad trip unless I'd tried
it before and knew it worked that way in my own case. <!--

I agree with you there, SWIM took 3 tabs and after nearly 2 hours still hadn't started tripping, to say that SWIM was devastated wasn't the word. so devastated infact that SWIM decided to have a few pulls on a weed spliff (just kicked habit and was doing very well!) to console SWIMself! then SWIM's acid finally kicked in! no visuals though!

those paper tabs aren't nothing like those microdot babies! now thats what SWIM call's acid!!!

i always find keeping a positive outlook always ensures a good trip.. no phones or normal people though...

Rev_K

27-07-2007, 16:32

SWIM was once tripping with his girlfriend on there own. She started having a bad trip which set him off on a bad trip aswell.

Attempting to remmember things SWIM had heard about bad trips they moved to there bedroom (Familiar place) and to the bed (Just to lie down nothing else!).

Being in that surrounding helped a lot. They started talking about things and reassuring each other. After about 30 minutes they where laughing and having fun again.

wedge

14-08-2007, 14:11

i was wondering weathor or not Zyprexa Olanzapine can put you too sleep while you are having a bad trip on LSA or LSD? i believe it is an anti-depressant, but im not sure.

anyway many thanks in advance for help

Yellow_matter_custard

06-10-2007, 00:40

If you can get it.. Thorazine

Jeer

17-11-2007, 06:16

Swim always has a benzo or two when swim is trying powerful psychedelic

Jeer

17-11-2007, 06:17

Swim always has a benzo or two around in case of a psychological emergency when swim is trying powerful psychedelic

machine_elf

24-11-2007, 01:35

The ONLY necessary remedy for a bad trip is the wise words of the buddha.

Every human being is the author of his own health or disease.

The mind is everything. What you think you become.

The whole secret of existence is to have no fear. Never fear what will become of you, depend on no one. Only the moment you reject all help are you freed.

We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.

The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, worry about the future, or anticipate troubles, but to live in the present moment wisely and earnestly.

The list goes on. Believe me, it is a tried and tested method and works FAR better than numbing your soul with thorazine. The universe is in a constant state of flux, in the end everything will reach inertia (peace). Until then, there is nothing to fear but fear itself.

neokeoki

04-01-2008, 07:13

i have used a B12 injection to kill a mushroom trip i donno if it work with other drugs but i donno. I order my B12 off the web from canada. also its great if use it before going out it good energy boost. for me anyway

Lettish

04-01-2008, 16:24

As already posted, without consuming more substances, you can control it psychologically/mentally. Just hold on to a section of your sobriety in your mind, and you will realise everything will be fine when the drug wears off.

Micutzul

04-01-2008, 18:02

.LSD is the most powerful psychedelicdrug known to man,i found this out the hard way.

I just hate this kind of stuff . Maybe you mean the most potent , as in ..being active at a veeery small dose .But it being the most powerfull ..please . It's subjective. Unless you absolutely tested all psychedelics known to man to their full extent you can't say that LSD is the most powerfull , and if you did you probably couldn't state anything ( lol ) . I don't think even Alexander Shulgin tried every psychedelic drug known to man. DXM is one easy example of a drug which some consider to make LSD look not so strong ( yes , probably because of it being a dissociative too ..but you get the point ) . Most people who actually went through the works of doing other strong psychedelics along with acid will agree with me almost flaming you .

Anyway , back on topic . Swim knows a guy who did heroin to ease off an LSD trip . Makes sense : the huge amount of endorphines should make both physical and psychological suffering practically impossible . Swim guesses to that extent any strong opiate would do ( morphine , oxy ) . But unless you have someone sober to administrate it to you i guess overdosing would be too easy (especially if you have little experience with smack ) . The guy swim is talking about didn't shoot it , he just snorted it .And he wasn't having a totally bad trip . He just felt like it was going down the unpleasant path . Anyway , i wouldn't recommend it , but it surely is an option.

experimenter

07-02-2008, 06:08

SWIM would like to suggest against massages,back rubs, or anything like those when on ANY drug, even alchohol. SWIM isn't sure how scientifically proven this is, but in his experience not a good idea. In his discussion with a friend who is a massage therapist, they suggest against massages if you are on any sort of drug.

SWIM took a fairly small dose of "magic" mushrooms, 2 grams. While starting to come up, SWIM was offered a massage from a close friend, during the massage it was a very nice experience. BUT not long after SWIM became higher that ever before. For a period of approximatley two hours he lost touch with reality, he couldn't communicate with his friends. The universe lost all meaning, it took all of his mental power to stop from doing something very stupid.

But on the topic of prevention. Very soon after he went for a walk with his friends, he was able to gain a sense of reality again. SWIM has found this to be very true for most of his trips, sitting around can make you think to much, and over come your mind with frightening thoughts and the like.

rockbottom

07-02-2008, 06:25

you can take Seroquel, or what i used to do was drink myself into oblivion. problem was sometimes u didn't pass out and acid and alcohol is bad news. finally i saved pills, xanax, valiums and back in the day we had barbs. tuinal, seconal, etc. after my first bad trip i never took a trip without something to come down. ps. i had over 150 good trips before i finally had a bad one, but it was a doozy.~Peace~ Rockbottom ps try mushrooms first they last about 4hrs. where acid lasts 8 to 12 hrs:cool:

Captain Pike

24-06-2008, 23:30

Recommendations: First of all, take a relatively small quantity of the psychedelic you're considering your first time around, whether it be LSD or shrooms. For example, if you decide to take LSD, try 1/2 of a blotter (small piece of paper that's saturated w/ LSD), wait an hour or a bit more and see how you feel. There's a good chance that you'll decide to take the other half, depending on, of course, the quality of the acid in question. Another point, make sure you're in a good mood and surrounded by good friends. I also find that tripping by myself is great. Point is, don't be stressed out or in the company of the wrong people (i.e. loud, drunk, obnoxious people). The few bad trips that I've seen in other people (I've never had a bad trip and I've dosed at least 100 times or more in my life), occurred because of the person was not in the right frame of mind and/or around the wrong crowd of people.

As far as chilling out if you need to while tripping, I don't recommend smoking herb, as in some people (myself included) it has a chance of making you more paranoid. Although, for many peoplr it does have a calming effect. As far as thte Valium issue goes, I give it a BIG "thumbs up", but don't over do it. Depending on your tolerance to V's, probably 20 or 30 mgs. would do the trick. Last thing, I really wouldn't worry so much about becoming overly paranoid, and certainly not suicidal while tripping. In all my days - mind you, I followed the Greatful Dead for about 5 years where 90% of the crowd was under the psychedelic "experience", I've never seen anyone become suicidal or close to it. My point? Do it correctly as I've described above, and I think you'll have the time of your life. Happy trails...

oldbulllee

17-08-2008, 10:47

swim just reminds himself where all the craziness is coming. both good and bad.that usually sorts it out.no matter how disturbing things appear, swim just sits back and watch.
after deliriants, it's a piece of cake.

piggyinthemiddle

21-09-2008, 03:25

I see that this a quite an old thread, but since the 'Mushroom season' is starting in the UK, I though perhaps it may be useful to other swimmers if I shared some of my experience.

Most of what is written below has already been said in this thread or elsewhere on the forum. I decided to put it all together to make it easier for someone considering their first Trip.

First of all: PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE, a cliche, I know but still useful advice.

If you have decided you want to take a trip, there are a few things you can get in place before you take your DoC.

It has been said a ton of times that it is a bad idea to go into a trip with a bad mindset. However, if you are insistent on having a trip anyway, and you KNOW that you have things that may bother you, you should talk it through with a friend. You and your friend should work out what you can do to resolve anything which is bothering you. Then WRITE IT DOWN. That way if you start freaking out while you are tripping you can look at your piece of paper and see that you have it all figured out.

So, now you have any unresloved feelings/ situations sorted out, there are a few physical things you can do.

You need a base. Make sure there is somewhere you can trip where you will not be disturbed and you have access to food and warmth.

It can be a good idea to go for a walk if you are tripping, think BEFOREHAND of a sensible place to go, where you know you won't get lost or run into too many people.

Buy anything you might need, i.e cigarettes or rolling papers; shops can be a complete nightmare when you are tripping.

Find someone to either trip with or someone willing to act as a sober 'guide'. Personally I would recommend finding someone who is experienced in the use of Psychedelics and is willing to trip with you. That way you should hopefully be able to rely on them for guidance concerning dosage and they will have at least some experience of how to deal with a bad trip.

There has been a lot of discussion in this thread about whether or not certain drugs can help with a bad trip. Either way get in some mild benzo's or a few beers. They may not be a 'cure' but in SWIM's experience, they can certainly take the edge off a bad trip.

Secondly:

It will always be a more frightening/overwhelming experience if you take a high dose the first time you trip. Go easy, take your DoC in two halves- see how you go with the first half before you commit to the full dose.

Once you are tripping, remember 'ITS ALL IN YOUR HEAD'. There is nothing that you cannot talk/ be talked down from if your trip starts to go wrong.
It has been mentioned before, but I shall re-iterate; A change of scenery/music/lighting can throw a whole new perspective on your trip. If you think things are taking a turn for the worse, try to manipulate your enviroment until you feel better.

If your trip is going bad, it can help to have a mission or goal. Don't make it anything un-achievable, but the act of carrying it out and the satisfaction of success will help.

For instance: - if you are at home when you start to freak out,you could consider going somewhere nearby where you can get a good view of the sunrise/sunset. The walk may help, the fact you have somewhere to go will help take your mind off things and when you finally get there and watch the sun rising, you will have achieved something rewarding.

If your trip is really strong and you find yourself having vivid and frightening hallucinations, it may be necessary to talk YOURSELF down a little before anyone else can really help. You need to keep reminding yourself that the hallucinations are a product of the drug you have taken. If you are having trouble focusing you may need to keep repeating it to yourself. This is also the time to take any diazepam or similar that you may have. If you can get past the hallucinations then you should be able to ground yourself in reality by talking to your friend. This is worse case scenario of course, I have rarely seen anyone react that badly to a trip.

Hope this is helpful to anyone considering their first trip. Above all else - Enjoy yourself.

Ketamescalysergicmushroom

21-11-2008, 02:02

FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE: I have had to deal with the psychotic, yes psychotic, episodes of other people on acid while i was also tripping balls, 3 times. To handle this, im glad i had Lorezpam .5mg/pill. its an antipsychotic/antianxiety attack medication. give 1mg and within an hour and a half the persons trip should be over. it sort of cancels out the drug, kills your trip, but hey when someones freaking the fuck out and becoming dangerous (dont forget psychotic people can hurt themselves or others) those little pills are TRUELY a godsend. never leave home without em! lorezepam, xanax, diazepam, valium, just make sure not to over administer, thats bad shit. the low side of a medium dose should be fine enough.

Ketamescalysergicmushroom added 18 Minutes and 31 Seconds later...

Im sorry, gotta clear something up. i was talking about SWIM just fyi. thanks guys :)