View Full Version : Drug info - Chloral Hydrate
SWIX currently doing bioassay on this stuff.
Measurements are guesses as don't have balance/scales handy, but as pretty experienced at weighing salts SWIX feels these guesses will be 90% correct.
Took ~200mg. Been 1 hour. Feeling a little strange, but not much really. May increase to ~500mg soon.
MSDS for chloral hydrate states the stuff is harmful if ingested. Hopefully not...
Other sources give dose for insomnia as ~1g.
Anyone got any experience with this stuff??
Micklemouse
06-12-2004, 12:47
Max recommended dose is 2g, so go steady! This is a proper old school hypnotic(on the market since 1832!), and is a skin and mucous membrane irritant, so could well upset your stomach (your nose is a mucous membrane as well, so insufflation is probably not recommended either!).
Nausea, vomiting and flatulence are common side effects apparently, as are vertigo, lack of coordination, confusion, restlessness, light headedness, delirium, excitement and nightmares. Rashes aren't unheard of (stop taking if a rash appears, and think about seeing a dr if it persists), and headaches also.
Don't use if you've had kidney or liver problems. It can also mess around with your white blood cell count and ketone
levels, and is potentially addicting, so again, be careful with it!
Let us know how you get on!
Jesus. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif
Didn't do much for me anyway. May try higher dose sometime, but thanks for the warning, SWIX will bee sensible...
Chloral hydrate is one of my marmoset's favourite GABA-receptor hitting, sedative-hypnotic type drugs. It makes her giggle uncontrollably, and is everything she hoped for in GHB and alcohol that wasn't there.
There's these green oval-shaped gelcaps, filled with liquid chloral hydrate, I believe called "NocTec", which are prescribed for
certain cases of insomnia. But with the prevalence of drugs like Ambien and Sonata, there isn't much hope of obtaining a legitimate Rx for the NocTecs (although they're only schedule-IV like Ambien, they're considered more habit-forming and "obsolete" than the newer meds) unless you "work your way up" to them (i.e. you go to a psychiatrist orM.D. sleep specialist, and complain of severe insomnia, get whatever Rx he/she gives you, try it for a few days and cliam it isn't working, get an Rx for a different sleep med, and continue this pattern until you get what you want-- it could take years and 2-3 different doctors or clinics, or it could be the 2nd or 3rd Rx you get-- you could even get heavy barbiturates this way if you continue
with the pattern.)
There's another liquid form of chloral hydrate, I don't know what the brand name is. Also I once saw some old pharmaceutical
crystalline chloral hydrate powder in a huge graduated cyllinder from the 50's or 60's, but I was too afraid of degradation/poisoning toattempt to try any, since it was obviously quite old.
Chloral hydrate is a simple molecule and actually rather easy to synthesize-- check Rhodium for more info.
Oh for the hell of it, I think chloral hydrate's nomenclature is trichloroacetaldehyde, which mean it's acetaldehyde with 3 chlorine atoms attached to it. Acetaldehyde is what alcohol metabolizes into when consumed, so you can see the relation between the two substances.
I also wanted to add that chloral hydrate is the drug that was called "Mickey Finn", and used to knock unsuspecting victims out, which was known as "slipping them a Mickey". I have no clue who Mickey Finn was, but I believe he was some outlaw or gambler or gangster that around the turn of the century either got knocked out by some chloral or knocked someone out with some. Perhaps it could thus be called "the original date-rape drug".
So with doses between 500 and 1200 mg, where do you find the recreative dose lies? Sounds interesting, but passing out does not.
Solidly-here
19-06-2005, 21:48
This stuff was OK. Quite interesting, but short-acting.
Many years ago, I got some Chloral Hydrate from my Doctor: "Here. This will help you sleep." I had 30 little plastic balloons filled with it.
That night I popped one. Soon I felt a bit dizzy. I went right to bed. As I laid there, the room was spinning around (pretty fun), that passed, and then I was wide awake. I popped 2 more. I just sat in a chair. Part of my brain was quiet (a part I could live without). Hmm. I felt a peace from thinking about the future (no what-about-tomorrows).
Soon, the entire effect washed away. I was quiet. The peace had given way to a physical (and emotional) stillness. Wow!
I gradually used the rest over 4 months (and kept 2 for 6 months).
Review: Not effective for inducing sleep. Very effective in quieting my whole being. Lasts long enough to enjoy the experience. No body load the next day. A fun toy (Hmm, maybe I should get insomnia again, just so I canget somemore of them).
Edited by: Solidly-here
robertone
10-02-2006, 01:48
I also wanted to add that chloral hydrate is the drug that was
called "Mickey Finn", and used to knock unsuspecting victims out, which
was known as "slipping them a Mickey". I have no clue who Mickey
Finn was, but I believe he was some outlaw or gambler or gangster that
around the turn of the century either got knocked out by some chloral
or knocked someone out with some. Perhaps it could thus be called
"the original date-rape drug".
A Mickey Finn (or simply Mickey) is a slang term for a drug-laced drink given to someone without their knowledge in order to incapacitate them. It is reputedly named for the owner and bartender of a Chicago establishment, the Lone Star Saloon and Palm Garden Restaurant, which operated from 1896 to 1903 in the city's South Loop neighborhood on the west side of South State Street north of Harrison Street. Finn would slip his unsuspecting patrons a drug in their drink to make them pass out and proceed to rob them blind. Upon awaking the next morning in a nearby alley, the victim would remember nothing. Finn's saloon was ordered closed on December 16, 1903.
A Mickey Finn is typically made by adding "knockout drops" (a solution of chloral hydrate in alcohol) to a drink.
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Finn_%28drugs%29), the free encyclopedia.
Nagognog2
10-02-2006, 02:42
A chimp that Bongo knew boosted a 1 pound bottle of Chloral Hydrate from his high school chemical locker. Why his high school had that stuff is beyond I or Bongo. It was U.S.P. grade crystals.
1gm, dissolved in H2O (yuck!!) would down one out and make you good and stupid. 2gm would knock you out cold as a mackeral. Mixing it with alcohol was never done. This was known to form chloral alcoholate, which can cause fatal respiratory depression quite easily.
Alpha chloralose, a popular rodenticide, metabolizes slowly to chloral hydrate.
Used to be popular on RC supplier's price lists - lord knows why. The few reports or use were generally not good.
Very dangerous if mixed with alcohol.
Snapper
Is usp grade chloralose safe to consume
wwim has access to bottles of it as it is otc--or at least was a year ago
I was under the impression it was a poison for birds and used for anesthesia on lab animals that would then be killed...hmmm
deekyleeky
12-04-2007, 09:41
anyone tried it? it is worth taking, whats it like compared to say.... benzos or barbs? heard its easy to make
Threads merged. Next time use the search engine.
Well SWIdr has barely heard of this chloral hydrate until the infamous Anna Nicole Smith Death/Overdose. It sounds like something one would use to test the PH level of his/her swimming pool. SWIdr is very interested in trying it, but has no current source for this stuff...
Laudaphun
25-04-2007, 22:44
SWIM was once given a chloral hydrade in a detox facility, in the form of liquid. SWIM doesn't remember the dosage, but he knows that in this particular instance it was not very effective... SWIM would also note that at this particular detox facilty, he seemed to be given minimal meds, so the dosage was likely quite small.
Psych0naut
30-11-2007, 23:59
Chloral Hydrate is a very exotic sleep-aid these days. It is comparable to the barbiturates in effect, with pretty profound effects. I remember I read in a topic about Chloral Hydrate on the forum about someone who had insomnia and was prescribed Chloral Hydrate. He said that instead of making him fall asleep, he was tranqualised and in a haze for the entire duration of the drug. If you use the search function on the top of your screen you'll get several useful threads with info and experiences about Chloral Hydrate. In my opinion SWIY should keep the Chloral Hydrate for recreational purposes, to use on it's own, and use the proper hypnotic benzodiazepines to help get SWIY's sleep after amphetamine use. Ow, and you're welcome, it was a pleasure answering your question :thumbsup:
pillpopper96743
30-12-2007, 04:51
Does anybody here take Chloral Hydrate recreationally or at all? Because SWIM has found some and hopes that it can be of some use to him in other ways than a sleep aid.:cool:
Psych0naut
30-12-2007, 12:37
SWIM is going to get some next week. Chloral hydrate is taken in doses of 500-1000mg as a sleep-aid, so start out with 500mg. Chloral hydrate is a very exotic drug nowadays, and it isn't even available for prescription anymore in most countries.
pillpopper96743
30-12-2007, 12:44
Yeah, SWIM was super lucky that he still had some lying around. At an accidental overdose he thought he was flying. Pretty good stuff.
enquirewithin
30-12-2007, 17:20
Interesting. Chloral hydrate used to be taken in last century by people like the painter Dante Gabriel Rossetti. I've always wondered what the effect was like. Can SWIY go into more detail?
Psych0naut
30-12-2007, 22:40
^^^^ SWIM will try it out this evening, and ofcourse leave an experience report for the curious ones on this forum. Unfortunenately it's only a few grams, but SWIM can get more. It came from a reputable analysis laboratory, where they use it as a referrance for GC/MS. SWIM is lucky he got ahold of it, since synthesising would be too much effort, and getting a prescription would be impossible. SWIM is thankfull for his gift.
pillpopper96743
30-12-2007, 23:01
Theres not much more SWIM can say about the experience because thats almost all he remembers, but here it goes: SWIM had gotten it from his doctor as a sleep aid before going into surgery, so SWIM began "testing it out". Half an hour later after taking about double the recommended dose SWIM had never felt better. His mind was at total peace at the moment and he also felt a little euphoric and couldnt stop laughing at shit that passsed by like a dog running around. SWIMS friend told him that after he dosed on it, he was in SWIS car he said that the whole world was spinning around him and shit like that. SWIMS friend had later tried to talk to him, but all SWIM remembers hearing an echoing voice that he couldnt understand at all. He didnt even know where he was, but he did know that he was as high as a kite and never wanted to come down. A while later SWIM was back from dreamland and was in a daze and confused as hell. His head was partially numb and he had a ratbite chunk of hair missing from the back of his head. SWIY had told him that he was at SWIMS girlfriends party acting like a dumbass spinning around and shit while this other guy was hitting on her. But luckily SWIY kicked him out after that happened and decided to wait for SWIM after the party was done to give him a ride home. (Very Good Friend.) Overall SWIM would have to say that its a decent drug, but you should definetly take it at a recommended dose and while in bed.
Hope this reply helps.
enquirewithin
03-01-2008, 02:44
Good report-- and a cautionary one. This stuff needs to be treated with caution!
Chloral hydrate is one of my marmoset's favourite GABA-receptor hitting, sedative-hypnotic type drugs. It makes her giggle uncontrollably, and is everything she hoped for in GHB and alcohol that wasn't there.
There's these green oval-shaped gelcaps, filled with liquid chloral hydrate, I believe called "NocTec", which are prescribed for
certain cases of insomnia. But with the prevalence of drugs like Ambien and Sonata, there isn't much hope of obtaining a legitimate Rx for the NocTecs (although they're only schedule-IV like Ambien, they're considered more habit-forming and "obsolete" than the newer meds) unless you "work your way up" to them (i.e. you go to a psychiatrist orM.D. sleep specialist, and complain of severe insomnia, get whatever Rx he/she gives you, try it for a few days and cliam it isn't working, get an Rx for a different sleep med, and continue this pattern until you get what you want-- it could take years and 2-3 different doctors or clinics, or it could be the 2nd or 3rd Rx you get-- you could even get heavy barbiturates this way if you continue
with the pattern.)
There's another liquid form of chloral hydrate, I don't know what the brand name is. Also I once saw some old pharmaceutical
crystalline chloral hydrate powder in a huge graduated cyllinder from the 50's or 60's, but I was too afraid of degradation/poisoning toattempt to try any, since it was obviously quite old.
Chloral hydrate is a simple molecule and actually rather easy to synthesize-- check Rhodium for more info.
SWIM's psychiatrist is currently trying to push NocTec (chloral hydrate) on him for his insomnia. He has been on Lunesta (eszopiclone) and Ambien (zolpidem) for years for his insomnia, and his Ambien is no longer working. He has also been on high doses of diazepam and clonazepam for the same reason, but they cease to aid his sleep after 2-3 weeks. Has anyone tried these NocTec gelcaps, and if so, how do they compare recreationally to Ambien (zolpidem)? What about for sleep?
Psych0naut
19-01-2008, 02:56
Either SWIM is just spoiled by the fair amounts of Rohypnol(flunitrazepam) and Dormicum(midazolam) he's been taking on prescription for insomnia, but Chloral barely even touched him, let alone made any use as a hypnotic. SWIM ended up taking 2 grams over an hour, and it did little. On the other hand, 2 grams should be enough to knock almost anyone out for the night, so it could be SWIM just has to much GABA tolerance .. In the same period, he also took Stilnoct(zolpidem) as a sleep aid, and he needed several tablets of those as well, to finally drift to sleep.
JaWill88
25-01-2008, 01:14
swim has been to detox several times for diacetylmorphine (heroin) dependence and always goes to the same place. they give chloral hydrate for sleep. swim didn't really notice anything from them but at the detox they always give a lot of librium (chlordiazepoxide) all day so maybe that's why. swim didn't even know it also effected GABA like benzos. hmm. swim noticed it did help him sleep though. but no euphoria like benzos was noticed.
SWIM's doc just prescribed him 30 pills of chloral hydrate (500mg) again. It's the only sleep-aid he gets. SWIM is going to take 1,5gr. He'll report tomorrow.
Panthers007
23-09-2008, 00:47
Mixing chloral hydrate with alcohol is very bad - tell SWIM. It forms chloral alcoholate which can cause severe respiratory depression and, possibly, death. This mixture was the original "Mickey Finn" used to knock out bar-patrons. They woke up in the Navy. If they did.
Yeah SWIY is totally right. the lethal dose for chloral hydrate is only about 6-10gr. So with alcohole it could be much less!
As i said, i tried 1,5gr yesterday. I felt a bit drunken and i agree 100% with what swipillpopper96743 (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/member.php?u=35727) already said:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=353210&postcount=22
be careful with this drug.
sorry for my english, it's not that good.