Oral use - Ambien (Zolpidem) Basic Questions re Recreational Use [Archive]

gfnofxc22

03-12-2004, 02:53

Hows it going everone? I just got a couple of questions abot Ambien, just to know what I am up against.

I have already learned much from google, but there are still come questions I could not find answers for.

1. Some people say they trip ever time they abuse it. Others say sometimes nothing happens. If thats true why is that?

2. My friend told me that weather you take 10 mg or 30 mg it makes no difference. Is that true?

3. High long does the Ambien high last?

4. Coming from another person who has experinced it: Can you smoke weed or drink before or during an Ambien trip? Would it be safe?

All you help would really be appreciated. THanks a lot.

OneDiaDem

03-12-2004, 03:08

Its a sleeping pill. If you can stay awake on it, you will probably just feel sleepy. I wouldnt take too much of this drug.

gfnofxc22

03-12-2004, 03:14

From what I hear its much greater than sleeping. From what I heard you halucinate and stuff.

Micklemouse

03-12-2004, 07:39

Use the Search Engine or look in the 'Other Downers and Sleeping Pills' forum - there's loads of stuff on Ambien(generic=Zolpidem).

OneDiaDem

03-12-2004, 09:07

I suppose if you took enough of anything you would trip. When I had a script for this, it didnt do anything for me but make me sleepy. But, I am a little on the cautious side, and dont want to die trying to find a hallucinogen in something that isnt. It may effect some people in this way, but it didnt me.

getonline

11-01-2005, 20:04

If you take Ambien when you're overtired, then fight it by not going to bed (and sleep), you won't remember anything. I took an Ambien before I was planning on sleeping. Well, my wife wanted to have sex. So the next morning, I had no memory of 'doing it' with her. Total amnesia.

Dreeker

12-01-2005, 00:38

yup i just started takin ambien

made me kind of hallucinate "if u wanna call it that" the first 3 or 4 times

gordonb

12-01-2005, 09:57

That stuff makes you hallucinate if you don't goto sleep in the
prescribed time. My wife start tripping about walls crawling and my
face was all wacked out at a distance(she wears glasse) so when she
feels that kickin in she just tries to close her eyes and let it take
over.

So I order me a 100 pills of the stuff from some india distro at around
1.20 a pill. I look forward to great weird and sleepfull evenings

You can do a search on ambien and hallucinations

RoboCop

12-01-2005, 10:47

I have to disagree with onediadem, this is no ordinary sleeping pill, very psychoactive, in fact I can see it being removed as a prescribed sleeping pill due to abuse in the future. I do not hallucinate to much, but do feel really, highlike, drunklike, and slightly triplike. Its effects are hard to explain.

You do not need alot of ambien to get good effects 2 pills should work. (of 10mg pills) 20mg produces nice effects while 40 mgs you won't remmember a dam thing of the night.
Even 10mg will work, but I go with 20mg.

DO NOT drink with it, I read this can be very dangerous, and personally I think it'd be really unnecessary. As for smoking cannabis with it this is something I really really want to try.
How long do the effects last? hard to say usually you won't remmember the last hour or two you are awake on it, at least if you take a high dose. You'll just wake up in wierd places in your house not knowing why you feel asleep there or when.

RoboCop

12-01-2005, 10:48

Onediadem how many mgs a piece where your ambien pills? I'm guessing they were not 10mgs?

dastardlymonkey

20-01-2005, 00:55

t3h_1337

20-01-2005, 01:36

ambien causes many people i know to start dreaming while awake when about 60mg or so are used and the user fights sleep,things start becoming increasingly strange.Of course the majority of people i know used cocaine with it to fight the sleepy effects,and i can't vouche for the safety of that.

on another note,ambien has confuse me worse than any or substance i've tried

I am pretty sure that at around 50mg people start to lose bladder control. It definately does not take 60mg to trip.15mg-30mg is enough. As for fighting the sleepy effects, it really isn't that hard to do. I have never seen anyone have a problem doing it, unless they were really tired before they took the Ambien. There is certainly no need to mix this with cocaine simply to get the full effects of Ambien.

jduba

20-01-2005, 03:10

ambien will mess you up. i know people who hallucinate and some who
dont I never have but heard that it is no mushroom or acid trip. the
more you take the stroger the effect or so ive found in my experiences.
i enjoy both drinking and smoking while using ambien but am not
suggesting it cause as with all drugs there is a risk. drinking
isnt very pleasurable at real high doses but smoking is very enjoyable

dastardlymonkey

20-01-2005, 17:24

it all depends on your tolerance to things.i dont' personally condone the use of cocaine and pharms,but it did make it possible for us to take ungodly amounts of ambien and still have some chunk of wakefullness left.

again though.ambien=mass confusion.i couldn't remember how to urinate after eating two 30 mg's.

joemomma

21-01-2005, 10:30

RoboCop

21-01-2005, 10:48

Im surprised to hear you felt nothing from 20mgs, since you are going to take more I advise you to just up it another 10mg, 30mg will for sure provide effects. Its not all that great going to overboard with this drug, like you said you won't remmember a thing if you take to much, but if you find just the right dose its pretty good. SWIM likes to take 30mgs, nice effects.

t3h_1337

21-01-2005, 18:12

I have tried 20 mg sniffed with no effects but I know people who use it a lot and they say that 20mg will make you trip the most I have heard of is 40mg a lot of times they say they cannot remember anything but hear that they do things.. sounds like somthing I would like to do but maybe I need a higher dose

You didn't feel the 20 mg because you snorted it. Ambien andbenzos are not water soluble and they cannot pass through the mucus membrane in your nose(unlike painkillers, coke, ect...). Snorting Ambien burnsreallybad also.Just swallow theAmbien on an empty stomac and you should feel it working within 10 minutes.

MegaLab420

24-01-2005, 22:57

Speaking from experience, it does not make you hallucinate, and taking more of it isn't going to mess you up much more than one 10mg pill. MAYBE taking 15mg would be a good max, and in rare cases with people who are not sensitive to medication, 20mg, but you would be wasting them if you took more than this.

I generally wash them down with a beer or two, and sometimes, three.. but I am not advising YOU do that. "I" do that, because I am ME and I can do whatever I want. So there.

joemomma

25-01-2005, 08:51

I have tried 20 mg sniffed with no
effects but I know people who use it a lot and they say that 20mg will
make you trip the most I have heard of is 40mg a lot of times they say
they cannot remember anything but hear that they do things.. sounds
like somthing I would like to do but maybe I need a higher dose

You didn't feel the 20 mg because you snorted it. Ambien
andbenzos are not water soluble and they cannot pass through the
mucus membrane in your nose(unlike painkillers, coke, ect...).
Snorting Ambien burnsreallybad also.Just swallow
theAmbien on an empty stomac and you should feel it working
within 10 minutes.

Really... I know a coulpe people who do it all the time and they get
pretty messed up Thanks for the advice though Ill try just eating them
next time.

thrillme

26-01-2005, 02:03

I've been on ambien for about six months. I "trip" on it just about every night. It's nothing compared to "real" psychadelics like acid, but it's pretty cool. I take 10mgs, and I have a pretty high tolerance to benzos and the like. You don't really need much more then 10mg, because if you're not used to it 20mgs can make you throw up pretty quickly.
Be careful, it does cause sort of an amnesia sometimes. I'll wake up some mornings and my boyfriend will tell me that we had sex. Apparently ambien makes me horny. I remember some of it, but most of it is just a blank.

KoolMoBill

27-01-2005, 07:15

You have to be crazy to say you dont trip on ambien. Maybe YOU dont trip on ambien but most people have, The first time I took it I went out to eat with my wife (not telling her i took one) I had ice cream. When I looked down into my sunday I was totally stuck inside. the hot fudge was like a waterfall and I was behind it. Crazy drug. I couldnt remember things I said or did. I made passes at girls I knew on aol that were only friends. So yes, its a bad ass crazy drug. Must be nuts to take it. Yes, i refilled my scrip :)

beebopfatboy

02-02-2005, 10:07

From what i hear *wink* Ambien is nuts. SWIM snorted 20mg and was
fucked up beyond belief... hallucinations and whatnot. Hes a wierdo
though, i don't know if i would like it *wink*

anyone who likes a nice mellow buzz and seeing shit move that is
obviously securely attached to a wall... they should take some of
this... ITS FUN! from what i hear anyways

MegaLab420

08-02-2005, 19:47

KoolMoBill, I envy your ability to trip of sleeping medication. Do you think you would have had the same experience had you ate a bannanna split?

lolomgwtfbbq

08-02-2005, 21:01

I know plenty of people who can trip off one one dose of
Ambien just by staying up on it & most of them have a rather high
tolerance for everything. I guess it just doesn't work at all for some
people, though, judging from what I've read.

Swim knows that taking 10mg and 30mg is the same for her, but she
doesn't know about anyone else. Also, the trippyness lasts for about
six to eight hours with her and she sees no problem with drinking or
smoking pot while on it because the tripping is very mild and it's more
'visual enhancement' than anything else as in you don't really see much
that isn't there.

MegaLab420

08-02-2005, 22:43

After 60 minutes, you dont even feel it anymore! I don't know what you guys are talking about with this "Tripping" shit. Take a 50mg hit of DMT and talk to me about "tripping"

Ambien is supposed to be used as a sleep aid! It is meant to be taken before you decide to go to bed, and does not last, noticeably, more than an hour. This "trip" you are describing may be from the pot your smoking when you take the stuff??????

thrillme

09-02-2005, 06:00

Ambien does mess you up to an extent, if I stay up on it I have distorted/blurred vision, slight euphoria, kind of a feeling like when you're really drunk with and some very mild hallucinations mixed in. If you've ever been EXTRELY deprived of sleep that's kind of what it's like, as some people kind of described it. This doesn't happen to everyone though, some feel nothing at all, some just feel hungover or drunk.

Apradavra

15-02-2005, 02:58

I am sorry MegaLab420, but telling a hot girl you have no chance with to show you her tits, must mean your the kind of idiot who wouldnt have the nuts to talk to a cute girl in person, let alone say something as immature asyou just did. If it takes the internet for you to be an asshole to females, then find a website dedicated to that. This one isn't. And besides, you already appearently know everything, so why even keep typing.....I am not flaming anyone here, i do not believe in disrespecting females, on this thread, or anywhere....

thrillme

15-02-2005, 03:46

I am sorry MegaLab420, but telling a hot girl you have no chance with to show you her tits, must mean your the kind of idiot who wouldnt have the nuts to talk to a cute girl in person, let alone say something as immature as*you just did. If it takes the internet for you to be an asshole to females, then find a website dedicated to that. This one isn't. And besides, you already appearently know everything, so why even keep typing.....I am not flaming anyone here, i do not believe in disrespecting females, on this thread, or anywhere....
It's okay, I get that shit on forums and stuff all the time. THANK YOU for coming to my rescue though:)
Immature males are everywhere. I got used to it a long time ago.

RockGod

17-02-2005, 05:21

I've snorted 20mg of ambien
several, and It messed my dumb ass up. Everything was like a dream, and
the walls and ceiling would move in waves. One time I tried standing
up, but one of my feet were on the other, and i couldn't get up if my
life depended on it. I was completey wrecked. It does burn a little
bit, and after a few times of doing it, i go really nautious when i
snorted it, so I havn't done it in a long time.

However, if you like going into a different reality then give ambien a try.

RoboCop

17-02-2005, 06:12

"Ambien is supposed to be used as a sleep aid! It is meant to be taken before you decide to go to bed, and does not last, noticeably, more than an hour. This "trip" you are describing may be from the pot your smoking when you take the stuff??????"

So what? Just because it is prescribed as something like a sleep aid, cough medicine, or anti-anxiety medicine, does not mean it does not have other uses. You obviously have never tried it. I do not smoke marijuana with it and it gets you high. I wouldn't call it "tripping" its just a wierd one of a kind pill high. It feels alot like being drunk, nice euphoria, and a little bit of noticable visuals, alot of people say it feels like marijuana. Yes dmt is much stronger, but it is more powerful than just about any substance. The feeling of ambien is nothing like other sleep aids, such as diphenhydramine, in fact ambien doesn't even make me sleepy, it just gets me high. I have use valium alot for recreational purposes but after trying ambien I much rather use ambien than any benzo, the high is much more powerful.

Alfa

19-02-2005, 03:25

Tarsiercoma

20-02-2005, 19:30

Ambien is stupid in my opinion, it is a very short experience and just amde me feel weird for about 10 mins. And then i felt sleepy afterwards, dont bother.

X-Dream

23-02-2005, 07:34

I've been prescribed Ambien also as a sleep aid. WHen I took it I never tripped and it passed very quick if I didn't get to sleep right away. I really prefer xanax for the nice floaty feeling it gives me. Xanies tend to make me blackout and forget as well as ambien, but it never made me trip.

About the TRIPPING thing, I have heard of this and talked to some professionals about this. It only affects some people this way with an unbalanced chemistry in their brain related to bipolar and manic depression. My friend told me she always tripped on it, she's a littlle batty, and has been on paxil before. I'm not a doctor, but I can see the truth to this myth since all people I know that said they tripped had also been prescribed antidepressants as well.

MegaLab420

23-02-2005, 19:57

Thrillme, please accept my appoligy, that was quite immature of me to
make a comment like I did, even when it was in a joking fashion. Im
really not THAT immature, I mean, at times I can be, when im all fucked
up, I have been trying to moderate my usage in hopes of being more
productive.

As for Apradavra!

"I am sorry MegaLab420, but telling a hot girl you have no chance with
to show you her tits, must mean your the kind of idiot who wouldnt have
the nuts to talk to a cute girl in person, let alone say something as
immature as you just did."

Wow, Dr. Phill, I had no idea you were a member at this site. Im not
going to get into appearance with you, or how much gold I have burried
in my backyard, or even any of that stupid bullshit. I appoligized to
the beautiful avatar, and am leaving it at that.

Edited by: Micklemouse

MegaLab420

23-02-2005, 19:59

Ok, Ok, Ok..

Maybe I don't know it ALL...

I don't wan to to come off as cocky bastard, I do owe all those who
have tought me what I know, much respect, and even more gratitude.

Apradavra

23-02-2005, 22:47

I must admit, i like your style ofwriting... and i was harsh how i went about responding toyour tittie comment. I dont want to come off too cocky as well, but if you happen to know of REALLSD in the US that isntover 5 years old, props to you. I havent seen good dose in years, and i followed phish forthe summer a few years back, hit bonnaroo all three years. (Huge music festival in tennessee, open market, 80,000 people, great time) Havent seen good dose since fall 2001, so if you have it, props. Enough of this, back to the ambien topic, later guys....

Guest

24-02-2005, 22:20

Many people here seem to be talking about or using ambien to "trip" as
an alternative to more traditional trip substances like LSD, mushrooms,
RCs, etc. I would just like to add that in my experience, ambien is
only very marginally enjoyable on its own, but can be MINDBLOWING when
combined with a hardcore psychedelic.

I have done 10mg ambien while tripping on 4-HO-DIPT and after snorting
2C-T-7, and on both occasions the trips were RADICALLY altered, for the
better. OEVs that were merely "there" before became completely
realistic dreamlike hallucinations. For the hardcore tripper I cannot
recommend enough the usage of ambien on the downside of a nice strong
visual trip. It's fucking incredible.

RemyLeBeau

15-08-2005, 09:59

note this, ambien will make you out of it without pot. SWIM has taken up to 80mg (spaced out) and this was a BAD IDEA. Couldn;t remebv\er shit SWIM is lit up on 25 mg of ambien right the hell now, good times, bad grammar, fun

antigenesis

30-08-2005, 03:54

I generally wash them down with a beer or two, and
sometimes, three.. but I am not advising YOU do that. "I" do that,
because I am ME and I can do whatever I want. So there.

Careful, thinking like that can get you dead fast.

Anyway, im gonna get a couple ambien tommorow, or sometime soon, when i
get around to (ab)using them, I'll tell you guys how it goes. As
for you people arguing about whether or not it will make you
hallucinate, remember that everyone's different, the exact same
substance might make one person have a little lightheadedness and
slight CEV's and turn around to make another person trip balls!

allyourbase

06-09-2005, 19:35

if you keep taking ambien to trip eventually youll find out as I did why thats a bad bad idea......now everytime Im on them I feel as though Ive taken a bunch of x, and I projectile vomit, odd black substances. every time, Ive tried it about 5 since the negative effects became dominant.

tre2005be

21-07-2006, 12:50

swim has just been given 14 7.5mg tabs of zopiclone, does it have any recreational use?

markdahman

21-07-2006, 13:05

Zopiclone is somewhat recreational its a benzo... Taking a few can cause you to be relaxed, sluggish, almost drunk feeling. Im not very experienced with em tho so anyone got stuff 2 add?

Dont drink while taking them or drive!:smoking:

Abrad

21-07-2006, 13:53

^^Zopiclone is not a benzo.
SWIM never felt any effect from them apart from a horrible metallic taste. Didn't even help him sleep.

Kristy

21-07-2006, 14:25

^^Zopiclone is not a benzo.
SWIM never felt any effect from them apart from a horrible metallic taste. Didn't even help him sleep.

Yeh, SWIM was prescibed these once for sleeping but they didnt help at really....and they just left a horrible taste all the next day.

SWIM thinks Zolpidem are much better for sleeping and maybe for recreational but usually they just put SWIM to sleep lol.

Forthesevenlakes

21-07-2006, 17:00

its great for recreation...if your idea of recreation is full blown delusions where you and your zolpiclone using friends think you're ninjas and all the sober friends have pictures to prove it. i gueess the point is to have a really good trip sitter...because while it may not be as fun as acid or shrooms, the involvement level is about the same.

INodHardOhYeah

21-07-2006, 18:05

tre2005be

22-07-2006, 11:31

INodHardOhYeah

23-07-2006, 00:55

They work very well if taken as prescribed, but something about taking 10 or 15 of them and SWIM gets very energetic albeit delerious.

lucyinthesky

01-08-2006, 11:32

I was given one of these when I was in the hospital,
It made me feel drunk and I was hearing voices before I fell asleep.

hh339

01-08-2006, 11:50

I have only seen people having bad experiences with this. Quite similar to stilnoct some people say. Insanity of the datura kind on high doses. Well not exactly like datura, but not too far from it either. Unpleasant hallucinations and just general discomfort. SWIM never tripped THAT hard when he was on them though, but he never took more than 80 mg (if SWIM's memory serves him right, maybe it was 60?). They hardly even worked for sleep after a couple o' days. Stilnoct worked better.

Bajeda

02-11-2006, 02:04

How is Zopiclone at low to mid range doses?

Like lets say anywhere from 10mg to 25mg range.

Or how bout interactions? Read a really messed up trip report here ----> http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=22666 Made swim wonder if there were any substances that had interesting interactions with zopi.

Nicaine

02-11-2006, 17:56

SWIM finds sedative-hypnotics cause euphoria and lowered inhibitions and can be quite fun, IF a person doesn't encounter serious memory issues and such. It just depends on individual chemistry. Fun for some, unpleasant (or purely utilitarian) for others.

~lostgurl~

03-11-2006, 07:36

An excert from Bajeda's link, made me laugh:

"As a side note, if you do get to this stage by accident, try closing one eye and focusing on the edge of your nose. Its interesting what pops up to say hi."
:crazy

SWIM has taken Zopiclone with a number of different substances but has never found them to be trippy. Max dose she has taken was probably about 10 pills (90mgs) which felt great, from what she can remember anyway.

For SWIM they seem to take about 1-2 hours to kick in properly, at which stage if she lies down she will sleep, but if she gets busy doing something the buzz is not a sleepy one at all, more like a stimulant (at doses of as little as 15mg but nicer at about 30mg). Higher doses still have this affect but also cause a lot of disorientation, and SWIM often realizes the following day that she took twice as many pills as she thought she did. (<

SWIM also quite likes the feeling when she mixes with methamphetamine, but only if meth dose is high enough to handle it, otherwise they seem to cancel each other out.

Nicaine

26-11-2006, 02:49

SWIM got a script for 30 3-mg Lunesta tablets yesterday, which is nearly identical to zopiclone (it's eszopiclone or s-zopiclone, the active isomer). SWIM also went off Ambien cold turkey, which he has a minor physical and major psychological addiction to.

Unfortunately, s-zopiclone did not put SWIM to sleep the way Ambien does, nor did he find it enjoyable in a recreational sense. It made him feel dazed and sort of weird, but it seems to lack a lot of Ambien's punch. SWIM is not sure he'll even be using it very often, except maybe on nights when he has intractable insomnia. This is a good thing in terms of avoiding addiction, but not so good where sleep is concerned.

It definitely left a bad taste in SWIM's mouth as advertised, but he doesn't particularly mind that. His main complaints are (A) it's not as relaxing/euphoric as Ambien, and (B) hits like an amateur boxer, as compared to Ambien's knockout punch. SWIM can take Ambien while still high on stimulants and it will put him to sleep, but he tried that with s-zopiclone and it produced an ugly sensation of wired head-fog without nearly enough drowsiness to fall asleep. When the stimulant wore off he took another tablet, and it actually seemed to be keeping him awake with the weird sensation it gave him!

Mileage may vary of course... SWIM's problem may involve his body being used to/withdrawing from Ambien. He may have used too low a dose, as he was trying to balance his intake with benzos to avoid too much CNS depression. Also, zopiclone may actually work better as a racemic mixture (as compared to just the s-isomer with Lunesta), all money-hungry drug company B.S. aside. SWIM has found that some of these single-isomer drugs have imbalanced mind/body effects, e.g. Lexapro.

RJeez

26-11-2006, 14:28

SWIM says that if Ambien is anything like valium,then you will have a tolerance to zopiclone/zimovane.(What is Ambien-A benzo?Not heard of in UK)

But,zopiclone are good tho,when tolerance is low.Try having a few drinks with it.It definately helps the zopiclone to kick in.(In fact,SWIM don't take them without having a drink.It just seems a waste of time without a drink.)SWIM trys to use zopiclone for opiate withdrawals,and it does the trick with me,anyway.And the bad taste?Well,I just try to think,"Well,at least SWIM knows they are hitting me."You know what SWIM means?

PartyBoy

27-11-2006, 19:58

Swim has zopiclone on prescripton.
Swim also think zopiclone is a really good drug to get high on.
When swim take his zopiclone it is around 4*7,5 mg also swim loves to combine this drug with alcohol :).
But swim do not advice make this combo if not experiecned bezodizephine user.

Nicaine

27-11-2006, 20:19

SWIM says that if Ambien is anything like valium,then you will have a tolerance to zopiclone/zimovane.(What is Ambien-A benzo?Not heard of in UK)
Definitely possible, but 2.5 to 3 times the normal dose of zopiclone/eszopiclone STILL has less knockout punch for SWIM than 5mg (1/2 the normal dose) of Ambien... which BTW is a sedative-hypnotic drug that acts on the brain in a similar way to zopiclone (click here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambien) for more info).

P.S. SWIM hates alcohol and hasn't even drunk a beer (despite liking the taste) for about 6 months. He finds alcohol to only be good as a mild social lubricant at low doses, and at higher doses he'd honestly rather have someone clobber him really hard over the head with a brick. More effective and avoids the spins, puking & slurring/mumbling/stumbling like a f*cking idiot prior to passing out (and of course feeling like warmed-over sh*t the next day). Not to mention, regular alcohol use causes cancer and potentiates most other carcinogens. It's not a drug, it's a flippin' industrial solvent/fuel that should be reserved for mixing with petrol and preserving dead frogs. (Sorry for the rant... sleep deprivation).

Riconoen {UGC}

11-12-2006, 02:12

It's recreational, if fighting the urge to fall asleep with every ounce of willpower you have and asking the cyborg dwarves from the patch of talking mangos across the street for help is your idea of fun.

Nicaine

11-12-2006, 03:34

SWIM had to "learn" the high (and corresponding recreational value) of sleep meds. First Ambien... eventually he started coming to expect the euphoria, loss of inhibitions and deep relaxation/inner peace it gave him. In fact, SWIM became psychologically addicted to the Ambien high. It probably didn't help that he was doing stimulants heavily at the same time, as Ambien functioned as a sort of counterpoint and mental refuge from over-stimulation.

When he switched to Lunesta (same thing as zopiclone, almost) he once again had to "learn" what it was about the feeling it gave that he liked. At first it was just a crude sense of drowsiness & clouded/messed up head, but SWIM picked up on the subtleties of the Lunesta high... now he's really getting to enjoy it, unfortunately (better if he just reserved it for sleep). Once again, it is serving as a "counterweight" with stimulants on the other end of the scale, and somehow it pulls off this balancing act much better than benzos ever did.

Riconoen {UGC}

11-12-2006, 04:17

SWIM got lunesta as a script awhile back for insomnia and it worked like a dream.(pardon the pun). I'n swims opinion sleep aids are best used for thier intended purpose. you may feel chill but those datura like hallucinations (esp. with ambien) are just not worth it. if you want to feel relaxed and calm and a maybe a little mild euporia thrown in just get a script for a benzo.

~lostgurl~

11-12-2006, 04:35

SWIM feels similar to Nicaine on this subject, she finds Zopiclone works better than Benzos at relieving anxiety and that it also works better as a counterweight while using stimulants than Benzo's do (well Clonazepam anyway.) She finds Zopiclone works great for sleep, but also finds it has stimulant properties if she is doing something physical (as in not sitting at her computer) She does not experience hallucinations at all.

Riconoen {UGC}

11-12-2006, 07:17

heh, well maybe swim is one of those unfortunate few who go batshit insane when taking ambien. swim remembers the room being much too big like he was on dxm.

Psych0naut

11-12-2006, 20:02

According to may people, the hallucinations on zopiclone and zolpidem are more like the traditional hallicunogens like LSD and mushrooms.
SWIM knows some people who use them recreationally sometimes, and they all say they see the trees breathing, and walls melting and dripping. None of them report of any delerium type hallucinations, just the traditional kind of hallucinations, and they experimented with it alot.

Nicaine

11-12-2006, 20:24

According to may people, the hallucinations on zopiclone and zolpidem are more like the traditional hallicunogens like LSD and mushrooms.
SWIM has never seen/heard a single hallucination on zopiclone or zolpidem, not even a closed-eye visual or minor flash of light or anything. He's really sensitive to mind altering effects of most drugs too, and has hallucinated on marijuana before.
SWIM knows some people who use them recreationally sometimes, and they all say they see the trees breathing, and walls melting and dripping. None of them report of any delerium type hallucinations, just the traditional kind of hallucinations, and they experimented with it alot.
Strange... these drugs are sedative/hypnotics, not hallucinogens. It's possible tho that a hallucination could occur as one of the rare side effects (probably <1% of all users).

Psych0naut

11-12-2006, 23:14

They used high doses and tried to stay awake on it, and when they did, they got these visuals. What was SWIYs highest dose he ever stayed awake on, if SWIM may ask ?
SWIM is also prescribed 10mg zolpidem per day, and has some left, so he might do some experiments on his lab rat, see how it works.
He'll report back if he sees anything he shouldn't see on sleeping pills.

Lehendakari

13-12-2006, 15:22

SWIM will be trying some as well, as he wants to know its first hand.

Reports are very contradictory on dosage and experience, most say that if they stay awake on it they enter in a weird mental state similar to that prior falling asleep. In that state some have minor visuals and others claim to be able to have a full lucid dream while awake and to control their hallucinations.

The only clear thing is that zolpidem is one of the weirdest prescription drugs out there, and rare experiences don't just happen when you force it to stay awake, if you search the net there's plenty of reports of sleepwaking and full delirium stories.

DrMuffy

28-12-2006, 08:45

SWIdr has tried both zopiclone (esopiclone) and zopidem. He has had better effets with ambien at doses around 15mg on an empty stomach, but has also enjoyed the effect of zopiclone (which he now uses rectally).

Big Fella

25-08-2007, 07:34

SWIM thoroughly enjoys the recreational effects of Zopiclone, like Ambien (Zolpidem, which SWIM loves by the way) Zopiclone is not a benzo but it does bind to the GABA-BZ (benzo) receptor sites, which results in similar action. SWIM feels a lot more energetic and social when using Zolpidem than when using benzos though.

SWIM also can second that experience. SWIM uses Zopiclone's when He has had too many days of CWE's. I find that the experience mutes most of the minor withdrawls, and also you feel very relaxed on them as well (which is always nice, insn't)

SWIM finds 2 x 7.5mg taken a with and a little after a glass of grapefruit juice (not 100% sure of potentation, however SWIM likes it as a drink awayway) every 4-5 hours througout the day makes for a bearable adjustment period after some serious CWE binges.

Add some loperamide and the world would not know about the chemical chaos your body is going through as it rattles its way back to equilibrium.

Henfer

27-08-2007, 04:02

SWIH was prescribed once on zopiclone (manufacturer MERCK) and advised to take 7.5mg. OK, so SWIH took 15mg and the next thing he remembered was getting up to work. total blackout. on 30mg, and that was the highest, SWIH was sleeping but had heavy and REALLY lucid dreams, however, the next day he woke up, he saw by the way he was dressed and his room messed, that in fact he had not lucid dreams but was delirious. he spoke with friends and stuff and saw people sitting around there, very similar to diphenhydramine.

SWIH was one of the happy ones without the taste in the mouth, and for recreational usage, they just knock him out way to fast. 15mg zopiclone sits his ass faster down than lets say... 75mg of valium.

eltimmy

27-08-2007, 04:20

Zopiclone shows less selectivity than the other "z" hypnotics for a single subtype of GABA. It thus can resemble benzodiazepines, and shows similar recreational potential to benzodiazepines, and benzo-like physical tolerance/dependency will result with prolonged use, especially at recreational levels.

~lostgurl~

27-08-2007, 06:32

SWIM was prescribed 22.5mg of Zopiclone a night for 3.5 years and the withdrawal was a walk in the park compared to Benzos. The first night she had a restless sleep with some cold sweats but the following night she slept like a baby. No obvious withdrawal symptoms were felt during the day and SWIM feels that although the risk of psychological dependence is high, any physical dependence that occurs from zopiclone use is mild and should not be a major concern. Of course it is different for everyone, this is just SWIM's opinion based on her personal experience.