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i have been thinking and asking myself the same question do youthink god is looking down on us and feeling dissapointed because we do drugs or not? i would like to hear some comments about it. i personally i think that god just doesnt want us to hirt someone else but whats your opinion.
Curtains
03-12-2004, 01:50
my thoughts......there is no god
Curtains
03-12-2004, 01:52
second what does this have to do with dissociatives....please post in the right forums from now on
If there is a god, then he is responsible for everything made on this planet. I believe as the ancient tribes around the world did all the herbal ethnogens where put here for us to use as a tool see god like visions and to be intouch with god and/or nature. Drugs have been used by religous tribes for who knows how long.You think they where frowned upon by god? I think not. He wouldn't have made marijuana, magic mushrooms, etc. if he didn't want them used.....right? As for drugs made by man who knows, thats a different story.
Of course these are all thoughts from an atheist however. But I have much respect for the indians as well as all before us who have used ethnogens and natural drugs. Its not god who despises the use of drugs just the government who do not want us to do them, and of course they would say it is against god, they would say anything to get us to stop using drugs. For example (sorry im strayign from topic but this needs to be said) remember in the early 1930's I think it was? The U.S. stated marijuana use would make men grow breasts. (no joke) They stated this as scientific fact along with a bunch of obsured accusations.
Hazewayz
11-12-2004, 15:53
god loves drugs...thats why he put them here of course...
and he loves that cannabis so dont egt it twisted!
Bodhisattva500
11-12-2004, 18:39
My god wants me to experience everything he created.....and drugs are on that list
in order to see god and talk to him you need to be really tweaked out, so therefore he must agree with drug use, but personally i think religion is a joke. i think religion destroys more lives and tears families apart quicker than any drug.
cyberfunk
12-12-2004, 17:54
I agree with RoboCop. Drugs were put on earth to be used to experience life in different ways. It helps you gain a different perspective on things. I find taking drugs as a way for me to escape into my own little world.
as for religion, i disagree with you fletch. I think religion gives people something to believe and hold onto if they don't have anything else. Though religion is the main cause of war.
Maxamillion
13-12-2004, 08:06
Agree w/ Robocop. "God" does not make mistakes- (for the "believers")...http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/uploads/Paderas/2004-12-13_165447_Finger.JPG
I don't believe in "god" as if it is a big old fat man sitting on a
cloud watching over us, but i believe in something between this life
and the next that i'd define as "god"...
I also like writing "god" insted of God because noone on this planet
has the faintest idea of what they're actually talking about, and if
you think you do feel free to enlighten me!
P!MPJU!C3
23-12-2004, 19:47
Maybe drugs r the modern tree of wisdom in the garden of eve.
Don't believe god and don't like churches...they ring their bells to early at sundaymorning...i hate that if that noise wake me up...but if there is really a god...i wanna meet him and like to get high with him http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif
philoscybin
24-12-2004, 08:35
I'm an atheist but if I were to believe in anything it'dbeSpinoza'spantheistic view of God, in fact I find myself agreeing or just pondering many of its concepts in accordance with my atheism. I'm certain many of you guys, if you haven't allready heard of pantheism, would be interested in taking a look at it.
http://members.aol.com/Heraklit1/spinoza.htm#definition
http://www.pantheism.net/
When God created earth and everything else.. he saw that EVERYTHING is good.
You saw that?? EVERYTHING!! that means the opportinuty to do sins is
good.. that devil is on earth is good. The possibility that we get wars
is good.http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif
Drugs are good.. definately!!! http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif
Pinkavvy
24-12-2004, 08:57
yes, god loves drugs. we're all probably just part of some god's acid or salvia trip. lol
no seriously .... nothing is ture, everything is possible.
Pinkavvy
24-12-2004, 08:58
er...
nothing is true, everything is possible.
(wish there was an edit button)
MorbidFantasy
25-12-2004, 08:43
I think Im supposed to be alowd to explore diffrent universes. I'm supposed to see things in a diffrent way. But some people cant seem to understand that. I defintly think shrooms and weed were put on this planet to explore. They are natural. God wants you to do it!
I'm a little high right now so I apoligize.
philoscybin
25-12-2004, 10:35
I think Im supposed to be alowd to explore diffrent universes. I'm supposed to see things in a diffrent way. But some people (http://www.searchpro.net/search/index.php?REQ=people) cant seem to understand that. I defintly think shrooms and weed were put on this planet to explore. They are natural. God wants you to do it!
I'm a little high right now so I apoligize
Well I don't think God really cares either way, since he doesn't exist IMO. True, shrooms and weed are natural in the sense that they exist without having been originally man-made, but technically everything is, including synthetic chemicals, air pollution, or even the destruction of mankind; in that if something exists it is natural. We as humans act accordingly just as all organic and inorganic matter creates its own essence whether molecularly intentional/predetermined or through quantum mechanical chance/ andfree-will. Humans are no more important than a rock or piece of lint, b/c through the objectivelaws of the universe, importance does not exist. To the universe, we are just another assortment of matter. One can argue, that humans are too complex in design to have been created out of randomness. But imagine hypothetically speaking, there exists an everlastingcomputer that is programmed to hit random keys all over the keyboard for an eternity. Would there not be a time in which the computer would actually type out sentences, phrases, words, or even great literary works out of complete chance, much like a universe at which infinitely exists could eventually create something as complex as mankind. It's hard for people to comprehend the possibility considering they are the subject at present.
I too amreally stonedright now and I've allready forgotten what I just wrote. I'll check later I guess. Damnit it's 4:30 AM, Xmas morning, I better get some sleep before my younger brother nags me out of bed in a few hoursto open gifts.
Bloodsh3d
23-01-2005, 00:01
Philocybin, in your above post you pretty much summed up my entire beliefs on existence and such, i just never knew how to express it as well as you.. thank you ^_^.
No substance or object by itself is good or bad. But anything that is used in an abusive way is.
What does God think about drugs, he did make them. He did consider all things to be good after creating them.
When he was amongst us he did drink wine [alcohol is a drug]. I guess
the difference relies on wether you're using or abusing drugs.
This is what I say when the Jehova Wittnesses come to my door and never with any offense intended. They ask me if I have questions about God. I say God is perfect and never makes mistakes right? They agree. I say Man makes mistakes and is not perfect rigtht? They agree. I say If God puts plants on this earth for man to use and Man makes these plants illegal. . Should we follow Mans law or Gods will? They then try to say that God does not want us to pollute our bodies with drugs. I say So a drug is a substance that you put into your body that changes the way you feel, think or act. They agree. I say like Alcohol, ciggarettes, caffene, sugar and McDonalds. Usually by now they don't want to play anymore and they say something like Well we have other people to see now goodbye. I don't do this in a mean or spitefull way. I am not trying to get them to abandon their religion, just to think about it.
aMorphius
23-01-2005, 09:21
Dr H, unfortunately I no longer have tha patience that you have. I just
stare at them and then slam the door!
But on a metaphysical level, it's hard to ignore the fact that so many
plants have mind altering chemicals in them; and so many other plants
have yeast on them that naturally convert them to alcohol. If God doled
all of this out, then his intentions are clear! But as the Budists say: " All
things in moderation; including moderation!"
hard2core
23-01-2005, 16:09
Uhm, just so everybody knows, Yes, I agree with drugs...
and Yes, I am god.
Nuff said!
Dr H, unfortunately I no longer have tha patience that you have. I just
stare at them and then slam the door!
But on a metaphysical level, it's hard to ignore the fact that so many
plants have mind altering chemicals in them; and so many other plants
have yeast on them that naturally convert them to alcohol. If God doled
all of this out, then his intentions are clear! But as the Budists say: " All
things in moderation; including moderation!"I think most of
the outrage in society against drugs nowadays is more of a cultural
thing. And a perfect example of people trying to enforce what they
think is right into others by blaming it on God. Try "Jesus doesn't
drive SUVs".
I mean, look at noah, right after leaving the ark he plants a vine to get wasted!
Why would it be right to use drugs for beating sickness, but not for
any recreational pourpose. They ain't safe? Then make one that is!
Ohh yeah, hard2core, you're not god, you're just too high or something.
Just one question: Even if God should exist, does that mean you have to be a slave to his will? I think the fucker created us with free will for a reason, he wants us to do what we feel is right. I guess I'm more on the side of Gautama Buddha who said that the Gods are as bound to the weel of life as us, they simply exist on a higher plane, and therefore they can not help us achieve liberation, which every being must find in itself. And if God wanted you to act in a certain way, shouldn't he have the curtacy of sharing this wish with you directly, not through a bunch of middle men?
jatzstoned
26-01-2005, 14:29
This is what I say when the Jehova Wittnesses come to my door and never with any offense intended. They ask me if I have questions about God. I say God is perfect and never makes mistakes right? They agree. I say Man makes mistakes and is not perfect rigtht? They agree. I say If God puts plants on this earth for man to use and Man makes these plants illegal. . Should we follow Mans law or Gods will? They then try to say that God does not want us to pollute our bodies with drugs. I say So a drug is a substance that you put into your body that changes the way you feel, think or act. They agree. I say like Alcohol, ciggarettes, caffene, sugar and McDonalds. Usually by now they don't want to play anymore and they say something like Well we have other people to see now goodbye. I don't do this in a mean or spitefull way. I am not trying to get them to abandon their religion, just to think about it.
lol, its funny talking to those poor bastards, especially when you catch them off guard in a comment, my dads really religious , he just doesnt go to church, but anyways, he always asks them questions about so much shit every time they come that they leave screaming at him, lol
I think that sunyata is right or I should say that my beliefs are pretty close to his with one more bit of info. I think that we are all Gods and we needed some sort of game to play and created this reality. But in order to play it right we had to completely believe that we are NOT playing a game. What it amounts to is We GODs are playing hide and seek with ourselves and we have hidden ourselves so well that we forgot we were playing a game. There is a great movie called "What the bleep do we know" it is kinda like a documentary on reality and what reality is. Great food for thought!
The Boss
26-01-2005, 23:52
For all of those who dont believe in god.
Have you ever sat down and thought how complicated the actuall human body is? Look at the bible a second, realize it NEVER contradicts a single thing.. humans would evevtually fuck up if it were all a lie and have contradictions all in the bible, buts theres not. Also, i believe the only real drugs god put here on the earth for us to use and enjoy are the self produced ones like bud and shrooms and many others. I think the reason the rest of the drugs are here is for temptation to see just how much self control you have and how much you actually believe. But thats just my thoughts. I believe there is a god, why you ask? For one, ive survived things that should have killed me.. there HAS to be a reason other then im just really lucky. Like for instance, i flipped my ride on the way to alabama one night doing about 80-100 miles per hour while passing a diesel... I hit sideswiped an escalade and ended up rolling the car and the only damage done was a tire came off the rim... and the SAME fuckin night some how i drove back from alabama on mulitple lethal doeses of xanax, v cut valiums, alchohol, marijuana, powder, Oc 40mg, and thats ujust what i can remember i done theres no telling what else and i didnt wreck at all and anyone whos done what i listed knows for a fact i shouldnt have been able to keep control of my little car... I dont know, im just saying theres gotta be a reason im on the earth i dont think im just lucky.
There's no such thing as luck.http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif
par excellence.
27-01-2005, 05:30
I'm a secular humanist... so I could really give a hoot less what this
non-existant god (note the lack of capitals) thinks of drugs.
To The Boss, The bible is full of contradictions if you read it. The bible used to be coppied by monks by hand each and every copy. The mass people could not read and priests and clergy would tell the people what they "had" to to control them. For instance if you read a bible written (by hand) before the 1500's the are acounts of multiple lives and reincarnation. But in 1543 ( i am pretty sure of this date?!?!?) The monks held a council called the Council of Trent (you can look it up) in which they decided that if man thought he only had one life to live, he would lead a better life. So they removed all refferences of reincarnation from all bible written after the Council.
In fact a lot of Christian holidays are on dates that were previously Pagan holidays. This keeps everybody celebrating untill years later they forget what they have been celabrating and the Christian church just renames it and adds it's own mythology over the top until the original cellabration is forgotten. Christmas for example used to cellabrate the Sun God Sol, or Mythra depending on the religion and it was cellabrated on the winter solstice Dec 21st. Now it isn't even Jesus's Birthday anymore now we cellabrate "Satan Claus God of Consumerism!" (ever notice how Santa has all the letters that make up Satan?)
Of course if you read ONLY the bible then you are not likely to see the contradictions. But let us look at the way Christians have treated eveybody else in history. If they can't convert them, they kill them(let God sort them out). Many people were killed because they said the Earth was round, then because it was suggested that we revolve around the sun instead of the universe revolving around the earth. In the Salem witch trials you were killed if you knew anything about the healing properties of plants, because that is witchcraft. The Spanish inquisition etc.
If Christians would follow their own ten commandments (like thou shalt not Kill!) then maybe it would be a fine religion, but they don't& it isn't because it is run(yes like a business)by Hyopocri(s)t(ian)s .
I am sorry because I normally do not dis other peoples beliefs so outright but I have witnessed the "Born Again Christian Syndron" too many times. I did not make this up either. The syndrone I am talking about is the one where if you are not a Christian or Born Again then your opinion is automatically less and therefore against God and that makes it worthless or even evil.
The Boss Says" i drove back from alabama on mulitple lethal doeses of xanax, v cut valiums, alchohol, marijuana, powder, Oc 40mg, and thats ujust what i can remember i done theres no telling what else and i didnt wreck at all and anyone whos done what i listed knows for a fact i shouldnt have been able to keep control of my little car... I dont know, im just saying theres gotta be a reason im on the earth i dont think im just lucky." It does not sound luck to me, it sounds stupid. You put your life and everyone you drove "near" in danger. If you had died. . . According to your God it would have been a suicide and therefore you would have gone to hell. You also flipped your car which while it may be luck is not good luck. Sorry if this post got a bit ranty. . .
The bible has been rewritten so many times it's pointless to even use it as a historical source. Did you know that the oldest known christian writing is the the gospel of Thomas, and they don't even have that one in the bible. The original Christians were gnostics, but they were slaughtered by other christians at a later date, all in the name of God. Up until year 1200, some christians belived in reincarnation, some did not. Then they had a vote, A VOTE, about it in the vatican, and decided reincarnation didn't occur. They burned a guy at the stake for discovering that the sun don't revolve around the earth, but the earth around the sun. I could go on and on with examples of good people killed in the name of God, but it would be a too long post. Consider the Native Americans, a superior culture nearly made extinct by christian barbarians.
No, if the God of the Bible really existed, I would team up with Lucifer, the Morning Star, the Light-bearer and creator of human consciousness. Read the book of Job.
Bodhisattva500
27-01-2005, 17:12
Where did you guys hear that christians believed in reincarnation?just curious.
"god'"didnt "put" anything here like herbals, mushrooms and the such. Every organism evolved out of simple chains of proteins and some plants happen to contain chemicals that mess with our brains.
TheBoss said. "For all of those who dont believe in god.
Have you ever sat down and thought how complicated the actuall human body is? Look at the bible a second, realize it NEVER contradicts a single thing.. humans would evevtually fuck up if it were all a lie and have contradictions all in the bible, buts theres not."
TheBoss- Its called evolution my friend, Throughout time organisms expecially humans get more and more complicated. Through trial and error and survival of the fittest. This alone does not in anyway prove there is a god. And the bible doesn't either. There will never be any real truth until you die. If people think they know exactly if there is or is not a god, they are wrong. Thats why it is jsut good to be openminded. I personally do not believe in god but hope there is. Theres no reason to even worry about that now.
Bodhisattva500- I agree with you on that but most people that believe in god, believe he is responsible for putting everything here, or responsible for how things evolve. Personally Im with evolution 100%. But my answer was open minded to if god did "put" everything here like so many people believe.
variation
27-01-2005, 21:36
the reason one can fall victim to misconscruity is because statements in the bible have such a blanket quality that you can basically adapt them to mean whatever you like...
there is no real logical reason to believe a god figure exists...
It is more likely religioun were created in order to guide and support the weak through 'hard times' , as similar things, albiet on a smaller scale, have qualatatively similar attributes.
It's foolish to argue spiritual beliefs. We could simply run around in
circles forever. Eventhough I consider myself a christian and strongly
disagree with DR_H and sunyata's last post, I'll avoid going into that
discussion.
It'll be wiser to answer this thread in the lines of showing how God as
I concieve Him views drugs, or even more so, how do drugs fit into my
long term spiritual/pshisical plans.
I don't coincive God as a far away entity ready to punish me for
my wrong doings. But rather as a loving father and friend. He gives me
free will, he doesn't requiere me to enslave to His will, but rather
offers me his advice on what path to choose, and I see him as a very
wise advisor.
I don't believe that a drug can be either good or bad, but me putting a
drug in the position that belongs to God is a bad idea. That position
is the north of my life, my long term goal.
If my long term goal is getting high as often as posible, or trying as many substances as posible, then I won't get far.
If my long term goal is grasping a better understandment of God and
fullfilling his plan for my life, and a substance helps me get that
deeper understantment of how God works around me. Then it is a good
thing. By following such a goal I could achieve many things, and learn
how to walk through life in a wise way. I could learn to live doing to
others as I would like them to do towards me. I could learn to live
without the worry of food, cloth, friends, or anything else I need; as
I know I will find them without problem on my path.
Everyone will have different beliefs since we are all different, religion is more of a personal affair to me and I wouldn't expect anyone else to believe exactly what I do. Besides, beliefs evolve with us and won't be the same from one moment to the next one.
I would like to add some things to my previous post, I feel I might have expressed a little more resentment towards christians than i wished to. Allcultures have done fucked up things(and some are still doing them) in the past in the name of this or thatgod, even buddhists. It's more a matter of politics than real religion, God isjust invoked to give legitimacy to what onewould have done anyway.When I think about it, it's actually pointless to blame religion for anything, people hold their own responsibility for their actions. And I do have a lot of respect for genuine christians, who try to follow Jesus's example. What I don't respect is invoking religion to justify ones own actions, that is the responsibility ofthe individuals themselves.
It's more a matter of politics than real
religionExcelent point. The problem is not that religious
people do crazy stuff in the name of God, that's only what's on the
surface. The real problem is that politicians will use any means,
including religion to obtain more power over more people.
What it all boils down to is nobody Really knows and everybody has an oppinion as equally valid as everybody elses. If as I believer we are all gods creating our own reality, they we are all right. If it's true for you , it's true for you.
billyloner
28-01-2005, 15:54
i dont believe in a 'god' as exists in the bible, a sentient all-powerful being who created us from nothing. in fact, im certain (or as close to certain as you can ever be with these things) that such a god does not exist. did something create the universe we live in? who knows. maybe, maybe not. this is something nobody can ever be sure of, except possibly in death. was this thing simply a fluke convergence of energies beyond our imagining? maybe.
however, i may believe in 'god' if you allow 'god' to be defined differently. i believe in nature. not the trees, or the birds, or the fall of water over a cliff. real nature; the universe. it created us all, and it is a beautiful thing to behold and consider. the way our world was created from a swirling cloud of gas and dust, collapsed down to what we know today. how the presence of simple, identical molecules of water and other chemicals can give rise to what we are.
this may all seem a little irrelevant to the topic. but, my belief is that we are here, and able to consider things, and this is almost like a gift. the only right thing to do with gifts is use them, no? we are able to think. experience things. and we should do all in our power to do so. using drugs can lead to a greater knowledge, either of ourselves, or of other concepts too difficult to adequately examine at our 'base line' level of consciousness. to say that the use of drugs is wrong is, to me, as offensive as it is to say the pursuit of science is wrong. or the study of history. everything in this world is here, and we should learn about as much as we can in our lifetimes. otherwise what is the point of us bothering to think at all?
Regarding christianity and reincarnation, I was wrong when I statedthat it was common until year 1200, it was declared as heresy in Constantinopel in 553, even though some traditions, such as Celtic Christianity, held this belief longer. Contemporary churches such as Santo Daime still holds some belief in reincarnation, but this is not necessarily derived from Christianity itself. There are some passages in the bible which might be interpreted as speaking of reincarnation, but it's hard to determine since they are rarely elaborated. The problem is that since reincarnation was declared a heresy few christian traditions have survived which held that belief, and many of the records of their existence has been burned or hidden.
Just search for "reincarnation" and "christianity" and you'll get plenty of opinions on this. Whether reincarnation is concept that can be inncluded in christianity, is a matter of preference.
God speaks in Binary. Anyways I don't care if there is or isn't a god.
He hasn't done anything for me. Heh. Who cares, don't waste your life
thinking about it. You are a human, make your own choices of what to do
to your body and hope there will be no bad effects and try to learn all
htat is ossible about something before you do it. God does not have
anything to do with your choices. Religion is retarded. It was created
because it controls the masses to some extent and without it humanity
couldn't function. I have finally realized that I am rambling on and
will stop.
ummm...God loves all things. (emphasis on the period)
God is love . . . So if you love (drugs) then you must be. .. .
joemomma
01-02-2005, 11:31
I'm not really religious but the 10 commandmants ( I cant spell learn
to deal with it) Said nothing about altering your state of reality so
as far I I'm concerned It's OK
I am not a mono-theist but I thnk that if there was a single uncreated creator then that deity woud transend thoughts about human drug use.
Amphetamientjes
05-02-2005, 18:36
Does god still belive in us???
solitary girl
06-02-2005, 09:58
God gave man choises but he does´nt want people to chose what they want That´s really fucked up. If God wanted both he should´ve done us perfect from the begaining. But he didn´t.
In the bible it´s all about changing one self ,beg for forgivness and about Him testing us. Heard about JOB,? thats just bullying, not that he loves every one no matter what. Why punish something he created. It´s not our fault. It´s HIS misstake.http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif
He can´t be a good god if He doesn´t accept drugs consider how cruel this world is. Let people at least have some chanse of fun!
I beelive in God but wish I didn´t, at least not in the way I have been learned to belive
steve010000
06-02-2005, 15:01
I think that sunyata is right or I should say that my
beliefs are pretty close to his with one more bit of info. I
think that we are all Gods and we needed some sort of game to play and
created this reality. But in order to play it right we had to
completely believe that we are NOT playing a game. What it amounts to
is We GODs are playing hide and seek with ourselves and we have hidden
ourselves so well that we forgot we were playing a game. There is
a great movie called "What the bleep do we know" it is kinda like a
documentary on reality and what reality is. Great food for
thought!
i think we are getting close now.....
but the game of hide and seek IS religon....
if its too hard for you then go seek religon.....but please dont force it on to anyone else,and dont harm people with it....
I have so much faith I will go to heaven. Remember, Jesus Saves!!! He won't condemn you or have a worse opinion of you if you are an addict. He only wants to help.
To who started this: Sweetie, God loves you. To even ask how God feels about this subject shows your heart is in the right place.
It won't be long until science proves god doesn't exist in the way of a supreme being.
Toxicity
06-02-2005, 18:40
Even if god didnt exist, (which im not really sure he does anyways...)
I think it'd be impossible for science to prove that he/she/it doesnt
exist.
The problem is: What is God? Is God the universe, is he some entity separated from the universe, is he a part of the universe, but not all of it? And when you've answered that you come to a much harder question:what is existence? Do we exist or are we simply dreaming this? I don't think there will be a definite answer to this. Remember, words are only representations of what you are trying to describe, they are not the thing in itself.
I believe that we all create our own reality and agree on some things with other peoples reality. We all look at the same things a little bit differently. We are all part of the energy that makes up God and what everything boils down to is . . . If it is true for you then it is true (for you). . .
William_Again
08-02-2005, 01:19
First off let me say that I am an agonostic (don't practice religion,
but don't deny the existance of a higher power) and if there is a god,
I believe that it would be a empathetic omnipotent being that would
know it had no right to judge what we choose to do in our life, whether
that be drugs or murder or joining greenpeace (afterall it is our life
and life is complicated and messed up, it is not black and white). I
also believe that this entity (god) would understand things like
psychology and biology and genetics and understand that there are
predispositions that we all fall into and those are further shaped by
how we are raised which then helps in our thought process and actions
(for good or worse).
LATONA420
08-02-2005, 02:25
god made drugs for us to be that much more closer in this reality he wants us doing drugs if any thing
diggitydawg
08-02-2005, 03:30
when i try to ponder the existence of God, i get stuck at one fact that
makes me want to believe there has to be something that started
it: How can something come from nothing....i know this is a
pretty simple thought but it is what continually makes me believe in a
higher power - - >God .........how can this universe, in all itz
beauty, just be and have been.......Can someone explain how something
can come from nothing........ so if i then think that God does exist
and created everything, then i am left with a headache when i think of
God existing for eternity and just "is"........again....something can
come from nothing.......who created God or this energy force called
God........thatz where i always get stuck
I have so much faith I will go to heaven. Remember, Jesus
Saves!!! He won't condemn you or have a worse opinion of you if you are
an addict. He only wants to help.
To who started this: Sweetie, God loves you. To even ask how God
feels about this subject shows your heart is in the right
place.I agree. Thanx for posting those words, it helped me. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif
dastardlymonkey
14-02-2005, 22:30
This question is one that you have to find the answer to yourself. No one can answer it for you.
VincentVan
14-02-2005, 22:57
<LABEL id=HbSession SessionId="117115641">To Diggitydawg</LABEL>
<LABEL SessionId="117115641">the answer to all your doubts is to be found in the book " The blind watchmaker" by that freakin´genius of Richard Dawkins.</LABEL>
<LABEL SessionId="117115641">(W.W. Norton publishing. $14,95)</LABEL>
<LABEL SessionId="117115641">To all the other kindred spirits</LABEL>
<LABEL SessionId="117115641">have you ever thought at the concept of God as an expecialy fit meme ?</LABEL>
William_Again
15-02-2005, 00:54
just remember this or at least take it into account...religion is man made...
Rave_Pixie
15-02-2005, 04:25
I'm an agnostic, but if I did believe in God, I think that he would agree with drugs. I mean, he put them here, and we're not harming anyone but ourselves if we choose to take them. I mean, the times I feel the most spiritual is during sex or when I'm high, two of the things the Church says we shouldn't be doing. So go figure.
dstyle347
26-02-2005, 11:05
Well as I puke my rum into a bucket waiting for morning before
railroading my last line I pray. To whom and for what I do
not know but hope is the devil's greatest creation..<!--
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It won't be long until science proves god doesn't exist in the way of a supreme being. well i think your mistaken on that 1 paderas,it does'nt really matter if god exists or not it only matters if you beliveve in him/it whatever.short answer no god dose not agree with any recreational drugs because they cause so much probelms and lead to immoral behaviour.but when used correctly for medical reasons there is no problem, its only when they start to get abused then its bad Edited by: dr ACE
I think that many people use the voice of God to get others to do or believe what they do. I also believe that all things considered, the biggest drawback to drugs is not the damage they do to the body but the damage that the law does to those people it catches. This is by far the biggest pitfall to using drugs. If you want to look at statistics, pot has never been directly linked to the death of anybody and aspirin killes more people in the US every year than all illegal drugs combined.
Dr ACE Wrote:"god dose not agree with any recreational drugs because they cause so much probelms and lead to immoral behaviour." I say based on whose morals? Morals are just someone's opinions on what is write or wrong, for that person , imposed on other people. In the Christian bible there are 10 comandments, just 10, and drugs are not mentioned, that has been added over time and of course by people who did not use them and thought that others should not as well. The religion Christianity has broken it's biggest commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill since they began. Thousands of peopple have been killed in the name of God if they would not convert. Have you ever been in a church? Next time count the number of false idles you see, everything from Jesus on his crucifix, to the "virgin" Mary. If the church can not be counted on to follow 10 rules then who are they to impose morals on us? And just because molesting little boys is not a commandment does not make it right.
If God is love, hewill love you no matter what you do, all the other stuff is just humans trying to controll other people with the WORD of God. Anything done to excess can be a problem whether it is water, drugs or religion. And this is just one man's oppinion.
i have been thinking and asking myself
the same question do youthink god is looking down on us and
feeling dissapointed because we do drugs or not?</span>
No. Nobody is 'looking' down on you and feeling dissapointed. If there
is a 'God' (in the way that you're meaning to use the term) then where
is he/she/it? Wtf is he/she/it doing and why would he/she/it be
dissapointed? They say God knows the future, so he would of known
exactly what you would be doing in the year 2005 BEFORE your creation.
Him being dissapointed by this would be ridiculous, it's His fault....
i would like to hear some comments
about it. i personally i think that god just doesnt want us to
hirt someone else but whats your opinion.
</span>
The God you are referring to wouldn't give a shit because He's the one
who knew exactly what would happen in the future, but yet decided to
create it anyway. So if any one's to blame it's Him.
But I don't blame Him because I don't believe in an all powerful deity
who purposely creates beings knowing that they would 'sin' and hence
suffer eternal punishment in hell.
</span></span>
hippie_lain
27-02-2005, 15:32
To all the christians out there its hard but keep on believing. Never lose faith even if the world is fucked up. To alot of people read the bible first then quote it and for some of the things I read hereHistory is a web of lies so alot of the crap that happened before goverent and church were seperated we will never know the truth of it. It does say in the bible the being drunk is bad, a sin, whatever you want to call it in around 8 or so verses that Ive read. And for alot of the hardcare drugs out there they open your heart and soulto demons(your own or ones that will be created in you). God never meant for us to do meth or heroin. As far as pot i dont really think God thinks its a sin...it just takes your mind away from him. Ive seen to many miricles to turn my back on god.
Ive seen to many miricles to turn my back on god.
Same here.
I think that only when drugs come between you + God is when he would disagree w/ their use. Otherwise, most of the entheogen type drugs at least seem to bring you closer to him. It's like they remove the distractions and inhibitions that keeps us feeling like we're alone in this life.
a god is very unlikely
and if he made all these things then we should be able to see what his godly purpose for these things are.
hell almost every religion has a drug that the religion is "based on" so
america and allot of societies are such dumb dumb's for making altering your mind seem bad
what is bad about seeing things in a different perspective?
so
yeah.
God gave us freedom he also gave us all the plants and other stuff we use. It's up to you how you you it but at the end you'll have to account for your actions.
It's true )
i smoked a joint with god, so he surely isnt against drugs.
Me and him discussed tripping on acid together once spring comes around.
(basically what im trying to say, for thos of you who think im blasephemous, is that NO i dont think god is against drugs.
sp4zzj4zz
03-03-2005, 17:47
Science can neither prove nor disprove the existance of a "god".
Personally...I dont see how anyone who has engaged in healthy entheogen
use can claim that there isnt a supreme omniscient being.
But everyone has a right to thier opinions and who I am to judge?
so if 'god' 'maker''whatever',does agree with drug use/abuse, then why is it illegall?????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????? ????????
sp4zzj4zz
05-03-2005, 00:03
Because man makes our written laws and contrary to popular belief most
politicians who claim to be Christians are nothing more than
hypocritical assholes who use the name of God for their own self
righteous quest for wealth and power.
Because man makes our written laws and contrary to popular belief most politicians who claim to be Christians are nothing more than hypocritical assholes who use the name of God for their own self righteous quest for wealth and power.
exactly if only politicians would just take the time to read the damm bible and then they might just get inlighted and realize what hypcrites they truly are
egoDEATH
07-03-2005, 12:11
God- a perfect being who is egotistical and selfish....wanting to be worshipped (like a dictator or king).....controlling our thoughts and actions......and thus becomes imperfect.
A "perfect" God does not want to be worshipped because he is an unselfish, egoless being....believing he is NOT God.....and thus a "God" cannot exist (unless a hopeless human...fearful of death.....yearning for guidance....wanting to be told what to do, instead of thinking for itself creates a King (God) to worship.....believing that if he/she sucks up enoughto this God thatshe/he will be rewarded by entering the kingdoms of Heaven).
enquirewithin
07-03-2005, 12:16
Do drugs agree with God?
HazeInMyBong
07-03-2005, 12:49
I believe that we all create our own reality and agree on some things with other peoples reality. We all look at the same things a little bit differently. We are all part of the energy that makes up God and what everything boils down to is . . . If it is true for you then it is true (for you). . .
Very insightful. I was raised catholic and went to catholic school. That school kind of freaked me out and I denounced religion and called myself an atheist. Now I know there is a god, maybe not as a supreme being, but as a higher power. It doesn't judge you, the best judge of your actions is yourself. If you believe in something, it is true to your experience. All we can do is speculate, and formulate our own ideas. Churches are weird because they make you conform and believe strictly in their definitions of morality and justice.
another point which ALL churches seem toshy away from :-'was jesus homoseuxal or homophobic?'no he was'nt.the only reason that its hard to find out the truth by reading the bibleis because the catholic church and many others have tried very hard over the years to hide the truth because it doen'nt fit in with their current chuch systems of celibate religious leaders.im not just trying to piss off any 'belivers' out there.but why do ALL churches shy away form these questions about clibate leaders??,cause they just do not want to answer them,and use thier'fear, intimidation and punishment' mentality to scare people away form even trying to pose these questions to them.
the truth will come out eventualy.it allways does...
antoher pointthe bookby dan brown:-'the davinci code' supposedly reveals that jesus had decendants so he could'nt have been homosexual and it doens'nt make sense to say he was anyway beacuse its just plain wrong. because he was a perfect being who would not have choosen thatkindof lifestylecause its anevil practiceand jesus is not that way inclined, he is an all loving and all caringbeingEdited by: dr ACE
enquirewithin
08-03-2005, 07:19
Robert Anton Wilson jokes that the Catholic church is a gay conspiracy! Why can't women be priests? He concludes that its because the most thing for Catholics is that you must have a penis. I've often wondered about Jesus and the way he really only kept male company....? I mean there were no women disciples.http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif
enquirewithin
09-03-2005, 04:23
Mary Magdeline wasn't one of the disciples exactly.
P!MPJU!C3
09-03-2005, 15:20
God wants u 2 love ur fellow man. U cant really love him whe ur robbing him 4 ur next fix. But if ur buying ur own hit and giving an old lady a ride to the grocery store on the way to ur dealer. i dont see if He could care less.
P!MPJU!C3.
im assuming for the purpose of answering the question that there is an all powerful beingin existance who isin control of the universe and for ease i shall call him "god". ok if "god" didnt want us to use drugs then why would he cover large parts of the world in these forbidden substances. if there is a "god" then we have been given these plants for a reason and should use them. in my opinion.
oh yeah, u kno that god is meant to be omnipotent in that he can do anything.... well can he make a weight that is too heavy for himself to lift?
allyourbase
13-03-2005, 13:14
both science and eastern philosophy tell us that the world we perceive as reality is really a chaotic flow of energy. Everything in existance is energy, energy is the source of everything, therefore one can presume that god too is made of energy, or even that god IS energy. if this is true then god IS the drug you take, and furthermore god is the air you breathe while your on them, the water you drink when you have cottonmouth, and the cause of the visual phenemona associated with the psychedelic experience. if youre into creationism at all it would be hard to say that god is for or against these substances. if god were anthropomorphic, all knowing, et cetera, then he created them....furthermore he would have had specific designs on their actions within his other creations. now the right wing would probably argue that hed created them as a sort of temptation into sin, whereas I dont think it could be a temptation....many times the experienced caused by psychedelics is less than happy, and yet still we yearn for them, I think perhaps its mans yearning for knowledge, but, is knowledge a sin?
look not down therefore, unto the darkly splendid world.
egoDEATH
15-03-2005, 02:40
Jesus Christ could have existed. He could have been an over-exaggerated disciple....sacrificing himself...."dying for all our sins." One important thing to remember is that religions were created in a time when the main form of entertainment was story-telling. How interesting or entertaining a story is depends solely on the creativity level of the storyteller. I mean Walking on Water and Changing Water into Wine seem like meaningless miracles for a Son of God to conduct.There's no record of his existence besides "miracles" he created. Three Wisemen were present during the birth of Jesus, and yet there's no record ofhis birthdate. C'mon...Three (3) Wisemen, and not one of them considered writing down thehistorical date of the Son of God?
The Bible preaches about He and the Son of God. It never mentions a She or a Daughter of God. This is because it was written in a Male-Chauvinist Era, when men believed they were superior to women, and thus God must beHe.
Religions close the doors to our conciousness, hendering our minds' ability. Believing in one thing causes our brains' stream of thought to become stagnant. Over time thisstale reality of boredom causes human evolution to de-evolve.Edited by: egoDEATH
The_Great_Sage
15-03-2005, 08:22
Look if some one doesnt believe in "god" then would they post on here?
if they did post saying they didnt believe in "god" then they would be
familar with the subject so they would technically believe. the real
answer to everything is that none of these things like "belief" or
"faith" or "god' exsist we as humans have wasted our minds in creating
something that has no purpose and no evidence and so i say if there was
a god then the question "Does he agree with drugs" would be one of
those things that there would be an epic battle for and would never be
solved so there is no point to anything really but we take comfort in
something that we think exsist.
ive edited my above post because i realized it was wrong, its allways best to say nothing atall if you dont know what your talking about.of course jesus was and is nothomosexual and was not celibate either thats just what some churches want us to belive its a myth. the turth is jesus and his decibels belived in loving familys not living celibate hemit style lives.this truthhas been hidden because some churches have current policys on celibate religious leaders that would'nt tie in with amarried/family jesus figure. the bible is true so far as it is correctly interpretedit has been around for a long time and there are many versions of it,so just ask yourself how true is most of it.much of it is but some precious parts have been lost or altered to suit the various 'popular' currentchuches.
back to the topic title i think god agrees with responsible use of 'safe drugs' only by adults or kids atleast 25 or older. becuase drugs can be so dangerous especially to youngadults whose brains and bodies have not properly developed,which could maim them or seriously altertheir brain chemistry at such a crucial part of their developmentEdited by: dr ACE
well if god does exist then he can't really disagree with drugs cuz he made them
Touchy question. First one has to establish if there is a higher
power or not. For the sake of answering this question assume there is.
Now one also could assert that god is directly responsible for or
allows all things to be. Based on those assumptions it leaves two clear
scenarios. The first is since god is responsible for all things then we
are not and may do as we please. The other is god allows certain things
to exist so that the lesser evil may define the greater good. Happy
wouldnt feel as good if we didnt know sad for example. Eithier way it
then becomes irrelevant whether god agrees with drugs, the question
then becomes "Does God Agree With My Using Drugs?" Which is a question
that ultimately has to be decided individually.
Personally I think its okay as long as I dont cause harm to others.
One other thing I see lots of people pointing out this an that about
catholics bible jesus the apsotles etc. First of all the question
wasnt "does god exist?"or "why do you think religion is stupid?" and
second I think that you fail to make the distinction
between the validity of deity worship and the existence of deity.
Edited by: uqlfy
I have so much faith I will go to heaven. Remember, Jesus Saves!!! He won't condemn you or have a worse opinion of you if you are an addict. He only wants to help.
I have faith I will go to Heaven, if there is one. I have faith that God will accept me, if there is one. Religion the reason for us to believe in God is there very reason I doubt his existance. If there is a God I believe he will look at the character of the person not whether or not he asked for forgivness for having doubts, or for his sins. If there is a heaven and Imiss the bus, but murderers, rapists, and general evil peoplemake it in becuase they ask for forgiveness then he is not a person I would want to spend eternity with anyway. So I will live my life people who I am, taking the drugs and making the choices I want. In the endif there is a God and I am not judged on the content of my character and my heart then o'well I guess I will burn in hell.
prospero
04-05-2005, 18:36
God neither approves nor disapproves of drugs. We are the physical manifestation of him and therefore whatever we want is what he wants. The fact that some of us want one thing and others want something else, and some of us simply don't knowisjust a conflict within god which has not yet been resolved. God doesn't know the 'correct' answerany more than we do, because there is no correct answer. We can only continue our journey anddiscover whatwe trulywant, as ananswer to this, and of course many other questions. The fact that the answer is not at this point known is no cause for concern, as the quest is what makes life so enjoyable and eternity bearable.
i found a website on this, although its pretty biased probably written by a religous DEA agent(look at the pic at the top), anyway, its pretty funny.
Free!Link (http://www.victorious.org/drugs.htm)
these are some of the points it has:
1. Drugs have a Proven Connection with Sorcery and Witchcraft
2. Drugs have an Obvious Affiliation with the Desires of Satan
3. Drug use will Cause Others to Stumble
4. Christians are no Longer Their Own
5. We’re not to be Infected by Mind Bending Stimulants
6. We are Warned not to Defile God’s Temple
7. Addictions Are Not Pleasing To God
Jesus Can Set You
Creeping Death
04-05-2005, 22:26
God created weed, man created beer. Who do you trust?
- Some guy.
dillydude
05-05-2005, 00:06
God also created poppies and the coca leaves too.http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif
Turricaine
05-05-2005, 00:07
It's amazing how detailed this thread is on what is a relatively shall we say 'grounded' question that is completely open to interpretation.
God is a 50:50 type of guy. Such a character may have been looked upon as being a bit of a 'tosser'. Therefore the good, the bad, and the ugly were created to portray a range of ideas. I mean who wants to paint in only brown paint, who wants only white light when there is the option of splitting it into a whole rainbow of colors? Thus we generate a load of bullcrap philosophy to try and justify our existance on Earth, even if the laws of the game are stone-cold physical science.Hence God isn't actually good or bad since he is in coexistance with both, like on a chess board except we cant rule out the possibility of there beinga 50:50 chance that black will be the first to move.
Ancient cultures the world over have used psychedelics as a way to be closer to their gods, the universe, and everything. After my first trip, I knew they had to be on to something. I think western society as a whole, with all their right wing Christian fanatacism - moves further from the truth with every passing moment. But to each his own. I dont believe in a Christian God, I really don't believe in any God at all. There's just as much empirical evidence to prove the existence of the Christan God as there is for Zeus, Allah, The Great Spirit, Ra.,etc Humans created these personnas - and whether its right or wrong I could care less. Whatever makes you happy and feel at one with yourself and the world around you, go for it. These 'gods' were created to be what man wanted them to be.
That being said, my god smokes hydro on weekends, plays metal guitar,loves video games,and completely appreciates the psychedelic experience. He dosent need my money, and his church is on a dancefloor.He is a righteousGod, in a funkadelic sort of way. Right on God, you rock!http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif
Bodhisattva500
05-05-2005, 17:34
Revelation 21:8 “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death"
That dea guy is ethocentric, sorcerers is just name for a priest in other cultures.
People need to realize that tons of cultures worldwide use drugs aspart of the religoius practices and as a way to get closer to god.
Did you see that guys fuckin moustache?HA!!!!!
Mezza, I like your God! I would give paraise and worship a a God such as yours. The god of Dale Evens (guy from above link) scares me and I would only follow him under pain, duress, coersion etc. Never willingly with love or respect. For his is a wrathfull and vengfull God That keeps his worshippers under fear of going to hell. If that God were all powerfull, all knowing or basicly Almighty, why would he care what we do or what we think of him? With the entire universe at his disposal what would he care what few puny humans do. However Mezza's God put things here for our enjoyment so that we might rejoice in life!
What do you want from your God?
Revelation 21:8 “But the
cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral,
sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake
which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death"</font>
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People need to realize that tons of cultures
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Did you see that guys fuckin moustache?HA!!!!!</font>
I think revealations is mainly BS. I find a strong parralell between
the rite of communion and other religions sacraments ie: teonactal,
yage etc.
However a just god must punish unjust doings. The idea being hate the
sin love the sinner. Only those who do wrong and willfully keep doing
wrong are unjust. Everyone knows the parable about castin the first
stone. At the end Jesus simply told the adulterer "Go and do this sin
no more". Or another way to see it is like this.
A judge orders a young womans license suspended and fines her 2 grand.
He then steps down off the bench removes his robe pays the fine and
drives his daughter home. Think about it.
That being said I still assert that god is love and as such if it doesnt cause harm drugs are OK.
Edited by: uqlfy
Mike&Jus
06-05-2005, 21:46
I don't really believe in god. The really stupid thing is the war and suffering that religion causes. I doubt that god would wave a finger at those people who smoke weed, take drugs and become more relaxed and sociable.
I think that if there was a god, he would prefer a world where people were kind to each other and sociable. I especially think that god would prefer recreational drugs to alcohol!!
I mean look at all the weird shit that happened in the Bible - You can't tell me that whoever wrote the bible was not on drugs!!!! Parting of the dead sea - water turning to wine - Jesus rising from the grave!!!!
My God takes me to places I never been before and lets me experiment and open my mind to new experiences and feelings!!
Jus
Personaly I dont beleive in god, and if i did i would probably be a alotmore content with lifeand wouldnt do as many drugs trying to figure out the meaning of life....if there is one.....butIMHO you gotta be crasy to beleive most of the crap in the bible tho. But then againI was forced to go to a catholic private school against my will which probably hada factor in my decision.Edited by: sg43
a couple thoughts in no particular order.
1. the subjective regular view of god and religion doesn't mesh with what many people who appreciate/use drugs experience. so many people who do drugs, for one reason or another(good or bad) dont go to church or believe in stereo-typical God.
2.I am not prepared to say that I believe in God, just like I dont believe in the "devil". BUT I do believe in Good and Evil, right and wrong, etc etc. So if you approach it from that angle you could view god as the boss of the good people or some such nonsense. anyway, do whats right, act morally good as much as possible, thats how i try to live and to hell with anyone who doesn't like it.
3. I guess the main reason I cant believe in god is that the Bible was written by man, rewritten by man, over over over again. also, that i have seen things in my life that are either totally unexplainable from a religious view, or religion calls its evil, which i dont believe.
-Randy
polloloco001
11-07-2005, 08:38
there is, of course, reason to believe a god of some kind exists,
because we are all here, and the universe exists, so it had to come
from somewhere. however, the bible, the torah, the koran, and all other
religious books are ridiculous dogmatic trash made up by obvious human
frauds who claimed to have the answers to the riddles of life and the
universe. they were, of course, full of shit. the bible is the single
most unconvincing piece of trash in the world and i frankly cannot
fathom how it has controlled such a large percent of people for so
long. i do believe in some sort of god because i have no other
explanation for why anything exists. sure we evolved, but where did all
the matter come from? i believe that some sort of deity set the
universe in motion at the big bang, but i need to learn a bit more
about physics before i am sure of anything.
i am god. and your all wrong.
physics and chemistry have shown that most matter (in raw elemental form) has slight tendencies to shift,andexpand and contract. some theories say that the universe is a large scale example of this. over nearly unfathomable periods oftime the universe expands and contracts, and the bigbang was the latest beginning of an expansion cycle, and we are still expanding.this is just a physics theory. now about a reason for us all being here, do you think there needs to be a reason, or does matter just exist and form evolve its self into higher and higher states of being. maybe there is no explanation as to why we exist, maybe we just do.
pabel_giboon
27-07-2005, 16:25
in order to see god and talk to him you need to be really tweaked out, so therefore he must agree with drug use, but personally i think religion is a joke. i think religion destroys more lives and tears families apart quicker than any drug.
keep this in mind, the guy that said it is a genious.
besides that, many times I find myself hoping not to have had this christian eucation on morals and guilty. I guess jewish-cristian sense of guilty and sense of enlightment is the cause of most of the bad trips people has.
.... But imagine hypothetically speaking, there
exists an everlastingcomputer that is programmed to hit random
keys all over the keyboard for an eternity. Would there not be a time
in which the computer would actually type out sentences, phrases,
words, or even great literary works out of complete chance, much like a
universe at which infinitely exists could eventually create something
as complex as mankind. It's hard for people to comprehend the
possibility considering they are the subject at present.
hmm a little late but SWIM occasionly does ether and everytime he goes
more then a little bit, he ussually zones out to where there is nothing
but like a stage from a side scroller game but the background is more
of a harmonous digital forest green and everything is going at a pace
of a metronome type device that u just sorta feel. anyway after seeing
much of these SWIM starts to fall down this chain of little
jibber jabbers you could say and each one saying what going on and
later near the end we all start jabbering if this isnt the end then the
end whats what? in sorta a ringy voice and at the end theres 3 last
spaces |near| |the| End| and when u get the end u hear a sorta thats
what and i appear in a computer generated like room and i feel as if im
stuck there forever andthen i snap out of it and make many observations
on what this might mean. maybe you shouldnt try to interfer with the
end because its coming or maybe what i thought for a while was gods
biggest joke on me. i had total loss of control and my i could actually
feel my neck sorta pulse or fastly move to the side. i refer to it as
the other dimension where ur computer/keyboard thing just sorta
struck me with a awkward note. then again i also had this arm reach out
of thin air from another dimension and wring me around the neck from
behind it was really weird like it was flashy pink/green square
background and a arm just going up through a spike braclet attack to a
metal square and the arm just had me aroundthe neck... dunno...
maybe i just really fk'd up on ether
AcmeSewageCo
30-07-2005, 09:20
Hmmm... If I believed in god... God was said to be the creator of everything... Universe and all... After he created humans he or she.. IT decided to stop... And when we were created... We weregiven intelligence to make up decisions for ourselfs... Thusthe bible was created in my opinion... But not to worship god... NO... Fuck that...It was created to acknowledge he or she forcreating us... Well... That's very special...Thanksfather... The end... God is nothing more then agreat great great million times great relitive...
Drugs weren't created by god if he or she actually exists... Drugs were created by mankind... And we should be damn proud of our accomplishments... That's why we were given fucking intelligence... So we wouldn't need topray... And beg... And worship god... And give the old man a break... So he wouldn't have to cater to our every whim and beck and call... Heis just said to be our creator...NOT our master... Nor should he be viewed as our protector... So in my opinion... Fuck god... If you believe in him... Fine... Belive... But don't worship... You're not a slave...We obviously didn't need him when he "abandoned" us for taking an apple off a fucking tree which wasn't human kinds fault... And theres still no proof to his or her existance...
So... Drugs... Hmm... We created them using our own intelligence... God supposedly created us and created our intelligence... So I agree... If there's a god... He or she agrees with drugs... Because we created them... As a marvel to his greatness... Showing him that our intelligence was not wasted... Taking drugs is like venturing into another relm... Much like dreaming while awake...He or sheI hopefeels that the DEA should fuck off... But once again this is mankind's doing... With our intelligence... See... A gift and a curse... This is why we were given intelligence... To create...
So... Having all that said... You see my logic... And thats my opinion and mine alone... Don't fucking criticize me for my belief... Let's not start a holy war... This is about drugs http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif.
Yes, I agree with drugs. No worry.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif Edited by: koth
If if there was a god, i would have to say he agrees with drugs, not
saying that drugs would get you closer to him, but i like to imagine
him as we are his entertainment and he likes to see how we freak out
and unfold our culture with these little "candys" of delluision.
BrugmansiaBrujo
30-07-2005, 22:11
God is within us all. Many people do not realize this, or cannot
believe it. Certain types of drugs (psychedelics) can put us in
touch with the God within.
If we want to assume there is a God,
then is it not a reasonable assumption that HE would want us to know
him?
Looking at it that way, I would say that HE approves of any technique,
meditation, drugs, drumming, trances, etc., that would help us to know
him.
Edited by: BrugmansiaBrujo
Ketamina
30-07-2005, 22:39
I don't believe in any sort of god or gods, and I despise religion and what it is turning my country (US) into. I try not to get into discussions about it because it's futile.
However, I do have a great respect for nature and all it encompasses. Every living thing on earth has a purpose and is part of the huge 'circle of life'. Sometimes, just sitting and thinking about evolution, how life must have begun and progressed through eons, it's overwhelming. It's certainly made for some great K trips! :)
BrugmansiaBrujo
31-07-2005, 07:33
I'm with you 100% ketamania. Organized religion is more or less
the root of all evil in the world. What an oxymoron the term
"religious war" is, no?
There is not one major organized religion in the world who's primary
teachings, and who's primary book (Bible, Koran, etc.) condone or allow
the taking of another human's life.
Yet every major organized religion has been responsible at one time or
another in history for atrocious wars and killings, in the name of
religion.
The only GOD I listen to or worship is the GOD within me. Each of
us has it, and it is as different and unique and personnal, as each one
of us is different.
It seems patently rediculous to me to have
any sort of organized religion, seeing as no two people on earth are
going to realistically see God in the same way. All organized
religion does is marginalize those outside of the organization,
fracturing society into quarrelling factions.
Edited by: BrugmansiaBrujo
billbong
31-07-2005, 18:35
I believe basically tht every living thing is a little part of god. and put simply it is nature to want drugs. so yes
peacemaker
31-07-2005, 22:32
All the drugs are created maybe because of some purpose or maybe by accident, by nature.Hard to say. If it's just a coincidence, there is nobody or nothing behind it, if there is a purpose, there is some higher intelligence behind it. We just don't know but maybe will know after death.
If there is god, some kind of higher being, it had some purpose in creating psychoactive, state of mind changing substances. He created them to give us some tools to enhance our lives, make them more interesting, less trivial and to educate us. Of course everything has two sides, like a knife - you canuse it as a tool or kill somebody. There are no bad things of earth, we can be bad or good but things are neutral. Drugs are neutral andwe, the goverments, forbid to use them considering all the people are bad and it's not true.
Drugs ain't good or bad, they just exist, are part of reality, we must not pretend they don't exist but treat with respect and use wisely. Unfortunetly George Bush and other narrowminded "important" peopledon't get it.
polloloco001
08-08-2005, 07:21
For all of those who dont believe in god.
Have you ever sat down and thought how complicated the actuall human
body is? Look at the bible a second, realize it NEVER contradicts a
single thing.. humans would evevtually fuck up if it were all a lie and
have contradictions all in the bible, buts theres not. Also, i believe
the only real drugs god put here on the earth for us to use and enjoy
are the self produced ones like bud and shrooms and many others. I
think the reason the rest of the drugs are here is for temptation to
see just how much self control you have and how much you actually
believe. But thats just my thoughts. I believe there is a god, why you
ask? For one, ive survived things that should have killed me.. there
HAS to be a reason other then im just really lucky. Like for instance,
i flipped my ride on the way to alabama one night doing about 80-100
miles per hour while passing a diesel... I hit sideswiped an escalade
and ended up rolling the car and the only damage done was a tire came
off the rim... and the SAME fuckin night some how i drove back from
alabama on mulitple lethal doeses of xanax, v cut valiums, alchohol,
marijuana, powder, Oc 40mg, and thats ujust what i can remember i done
theres no telling what else and i didnt wreck at all and anyone whos
done what i listed knows for a fact i shouldnt have been able to keep
control of my little car... I dont know, im just saying theres gotta be
a reason im on the earth i dont think im just lucky.
just because a document does not contradict itself does not make it
true. a document can be considered true if it doesnt contradict
reality. the bible does contradict reality, so its false. by using your
way of thinking i could say the following and it would be undeniably
true: "the world was created by flying pigs. these pigs said that
everybody should be a nazi and that dancing and homosexuality are the
work of sinister camel people who live deep under australia. one of
these pigs managed to turn into a human and then gave birth through his
ears to millions of other people. unforutnately one of the sinister
camel people escaped and cast a curse upon humanity causing them to no
longer reproduce through their ears but rather through sexual
intercourse. so to have sexual intercourse is a wicked deed that should
never ever be done. on top of all this the flying pigs of creation told
me personally that you need to polish your shoes twice a week and gauge
out your eyes with a screw driver which has been shoved up a sacred
pigs ass upon reaching your 30th birthday." its a bit like the bible
you know? a big load of obvious bullshit which doesnt contradict
itself. while i was writing that example i started to get carried away
and started to have a bit too much fun. this is what they did with the
bible. some silly old men in israel thousands of years ago began trying
to explain things in a big book and got carried away with the feeling
of power you get from seemingly creating facts on your every whim. the
only difference between this and the bible is that the bible is longer,
and full of contradictions. as for yuor theory that natural drugs like
pot and shrooms are good while others that you dislike are gods
temptation for humanity, your blatantly wrong. first of all, all drugs
are natural, if they dont grow out of the ground they are made from
chemicals which at some point occur naturally on earth. you are jsut
justifying what you do because you like it and you haven't yet become
addicted to crystal meth so you can safely preach that it is evil,
while your own favorite drugs are fine by jesus. and if you think that
jesus agrees with smoking pot, which is obviously damaging to your
lungs, maybe you ought to read over the bible again. I Corinthians 6:19-20:What? know ye
not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you,
which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a
price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which
are God's. </span>If
God doesn't approve of you damaging your body, and you are damaging
your body by smoking pot, why don't you stop so that you can go to
heaven, if you are so committed to the bible and the fact that it is
the ultimate undeniable truth. im not saying it is, im saying its not.
its a lie. look at the world, look at the bullshit in the bible, its
not true. im trying to save you man, not to save you so you can go to
heaven. im trying to save you so that you dont waste your life
believing a book of lies and hoping to go to this paradise of clouds
and angels which doesnt exist. as for the whole drunk/drugged up
driving thing, it wasn't an act of god. if god loves all people he
wouldn't fuck over starving people in the 3rd world while saving you
from death while you were blatantly sinning. you got lucky.
</span>
Edited by: polloloco001
Sklander
09-08-2005, 02:50
My god wants me to experience everything he created.....and drugs are on that list
I like that...
RickyTarr
11-08-2005, 17:42
Hi all
Benjamin Franklin had this to say about drugs:
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to prosper."http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif
Ricky Tarr
God is a concept... does any concept agree/disagee with drug use? Concepts don't agree or disagree with anything. God remains silent on the subject.
No offense to anyone, but if anything drugs are more real than 'god', which is an unproven idea. Drugs are physical substances and their existence can be proven (at least within the confines of what we understand to be existence). So ask your drug if it approves of God. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif Edited by: Nicaine
MushroomTrip
12-09-2005, 13:31
God gave us our lives. Life includes EVERYTHING. The God i belive in wants me to do and try anything,learnas much as i can from alland be afraid of nothing. Everything is to be lived. So, why do you think God gave us all these plants?http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif
peacemaker
12-09-2005, 14:13
God wants me to feel his existence and I felt somethingduringmy mushroom trip (never felt in church), so God wants me to experience psychedelics.
one4thedoc
14-01-2006, 09:35
God doesn't even know drugs exist. We made it all up. "Reality" or "Hallucinations" are both merely perception. Either way, we are unnaware of who we rselly are. Waking up is so much better than any drug, once you experience it, you won't want to go to sleep again. The way out is the way in. Please stop looking for the answer outside of you. You are god and goddesses. Wake up.
mrPartypictures
14-01-2006, 22:07
If God exists, I will thank him, when I meet him, for giving us drugs to make our stay on earth so much better http://www.crazycows.nl/forum/uploads/bly.gif
raven3davis
15-01-2006, 05:32
If there was a "God" it probably would not be against drugs. Afterall, he would have given humans the ability to find and make them. Swim however does not believe in this type of "God."
DrugPhreak
15-01-2006, 06:18
I believe that God disapproves of drug abuse. It seems too convenient that these plants/trees/shrubs originated in places where they could offer the most benefit. In a broad sense God really created all drugs. I think it takes a very shallow user (especially one of psychedelics) to disregard the spiritual side of life. There’s constantly a battle between good and evil… choose wisely.
a-SalviaLover
15-01-2006, 13:50
In my opinion if God really exists, he would approve things like honesty, liberality, peacefulness and love. He would disapprove greed, intolernce, and aggression. I don't think that taking drugs or not would matter for him, but the actions you do in your life would be more important. That's just my opinion.
I think god is just a fantasy in the brain. Created because of things that people can't understand. And they needed explenation.
Drugs can do the same thing with your brain, to create fantasies.
So drugs = god, and god = drugs.
:)
If god is everything and all, then drugs are also divine. To me drugs are the apple from the tree of life/wisdom in paradise. I eat from it to gain knowledge and to unlock the doors of perception. They can give fast routes on the tree of life.
Ninja Master
16-01-2006, 09:21
if the christian god did not agree with drugs, they would not be here for us to play with. christians god is jesus christ, not the god that jesus said to warship. there is alot of hidden meaning in christianity that they wont say anything about. i know that my presants are wraped under a christmas tree in a way that the presants resemble amanita muscaria. so something says to me that god is within the drugs. but that god is everything. light and sound are vibrations. human perception to me is god.
Sky Walker
17-01-2006, 00:49
I will use the term "god" to address the God of the Roman Catholic Church. I do not believe in this "god" nor any form of organized man made religion. I will relate to the Bible as is, a fictional story.
To me drugs are the apple from the tree of life/wisdom in paradise. I eat from it to gain knowledge and to unlock the doors of perception. They can give fast routes on the tree of life.
Alfa, I two have always seen drugs, mainly psychedelics as that exact fruit from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden. Honestly what else could it have been other than a psychedelic substance, something to expand your mind to the extent of understanding "god" and his thoughts and reasons. Strange enough though this is not what "god" wants, as after eating the fruit Adam and Eve were cast from the Garden of Eden to live as mortals on Earth.
This alone leads me to believe that "god" does not approve, at all, of the use of a mind altering substances. In fact he expressly forbids it when he tells Adam and Eve not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge(The tree that contains the fruit that alters their mind and fills them with wisdom). It is here I think, that we can put an end to all the ideas that "god" put these substances on the Earth for us to use, it is clear to see that it is actually to test weather or not we will obey the almighty ruler or weather we will try to reach higher plains in an attempt to be closer/equal to "god".
Now if you do not or can not accept that the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge contained a psychedelic substance it is still pretty clear that "god" does not really condone the use of drugs.
Here is what the Bible has to say about mind altering substances, bear in mind that alcohol is a powerful and deadly drug and just because it is socially acceptable does not make it any better than any other drug so in this case “gods” views on alcohol will be directly applied to his views on all drugs.
A few clear examples why “god” dislikes the use of drugs.
That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. (Genesis 19:33-35)
Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly! In the end it bites like a snake and poisons like a viper. Your eyes will see strange sights and your mind imagine confusing things. You will be like one sleeping on the high seas, lying on top of the rigging. "They hit me," you will say, "but I'm not hurt! They beat me, but I don't feel it! When will I wake up so I can find another drink?" (Proverbs 23:31-35)
On the day of the festival of our king the princes become inflamed with wine, and he joins hands with the mockers. (Hosea 7:5)
And these also stagger from wine and reel from beer: Priests and prophets stagger from beer and are befuddled with wine; they reel from beer, they stagger when seeing visions, they stumble when rendering decisions. All the tables are covered with vomit and there is not a spot without filth. (Isaiah 28:7-8)
I tried cheering myself with wine, and embracing folly--my mind still guiding me with wisdom. I wanted to see what was worthwhile for men to do under heaven during the few days of their lives. (Ecclesiastes 2:3)
Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise. (Proverbs 20:1)
He who loves pleasure will become poor; whoever loves wine and oil will never be rich. (Proverbs 21:17)
Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, (Proverbs 23:20)
But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. (1 Corinthians 5:11)
Woe to those who rise early in the morning to run after their drinks, who stay up late at night till they are inflamed with wine. (Isaiah 5:11)
Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, (Isaiah 5:22)
Wake up, you drunkards, and weep! Wail, all you drinkers of wine; wail because of the new wine, for it has been snatched from your lips. (Joel 1:5)
They will be entangled among thorns and drunk from their wine; they will be consumed like dry stubble. (Nahum 1:10)
"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. (Luke 21:34)
Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. (Romans 13:13)
For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do--living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. (1 Peter 4:3)
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21)
"You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the Tent of Meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. (Leviticus 10:9)
No priest is to drink wine when he enters the inner court. (Ezekiel 44:21)
An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, uncontentious, free from the love of money. (1 Timothy 3:2-3)
Deacons likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain, (1 Timothy 3:8)
Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless--not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. (Titus 1:7)
Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. (Titus 2:3)
I can't seem to find the verse but somewhere in the Bible it says that your body is not yours and it is only really on loan to you from "god" so you should "treat your body like a temple, for it houses the holy spirit" and do no damage to it weather it be self inflicted or through substance abuse (which is self inflicted really) so anything that damages your body or causes an altered state of consciousness is not aloud by "god" and anyone found indulging in such things will be Judged when Judgment day comes.
Damn Lukey, you have been busy. So god told adam and eve not to eat and punished them for it by throwing them out of paradise. Even added the flaming sword that turns every way to prevent them from reaching the tree of wisdom. That clearly shows intent.
The bible, has changed a lot in the past. We have many churches with different believes. The old testament stems from the Torah, Jewish faith. Is a rewrite if you will. Far from accurate I might add. Many componements of the bible stem from many old faiths, now gone. Once in a while a really old version of the bible is found. The texts in such bibles differ substantially. Thave you ever played that game where you wisper a sentence to someone next to you, which in turn wishpers it to the next and so on? After a couple of dozen people the sentence is nothing like it was. You can apply this example to the bible really well. Not only the bible has changed. So has god. If you go trough the history of god, you'll find that due to time and faiths, he has had characters from compassionate to wrathful.
Still the church (which in essense wrote the bible as it is today) uses the cup as one of their symbols and the drinking of wine by/with Jesus is well documented. Many of the qoutes above are applicable to certain situations, allowing use of wine on other occasions. Others only refer to excessive use. I believe that because wine is rooted in our culture by the church, alcohol is legal today. As far as damage to your body, this is different per drug. Mushrooms for instance are do not harm your body.
a-SalviaLover
17-01-2006, 18:30
Once when I was tripping on Mushrooms, walking in the park and feeling a great eye that was looking at me from up there, I made up a theory for the existance of God as a part of the evolution.
When the human mind began developing to what it is now, at a point it needed to generate a subconscious thought patterns that something far greater and far superiour to you is watching your every step, it knows all your actions and can judge you for them. This way human's mind would work better. It is probably realted to human's social existence and development of morality. Similarities can be found in every religion that has ever existed. They might be a consiquence of this subconscious occurrence. Adding the integrated sence of curiosity over the unknown and unexplainable, the God forming factors are enough to produce different religions.
However, another trip learned me that reality is only determinated by only what you see, hear, understand and believe. So if many people believe in God, then it really exists.
I personally share Alfa's opinion about God - it is everything around us. It is the pure energy that forms everything, including us and drugs.
XCorruptX
22-01-2006, 09:35
ok so god doesnt want us to eat from a tree of knowledge.. that sounds really stupid then Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly! In the end it bites like a snake and poisons like a viper. Your eyes will see strange sights and your mind imagine confusing things. You will be like one sleeping on the high seas, lying on top of the rigging. "They hit me," you will say, "but I'm not hurt! They beat me, but I don't feel it! When will I wake up so I can find another drink?" (Proverbs 23:31-35)that sounds like god wants us to feel pain and be hurtnext the drugs harming your body thing well alcohol does harm to your body and more than mushrooms and most "medicines" aren't so great for your body..
MrCheese
25-01-2006, 00:01
In my (current) opinion, the question 'Does god agree with drugs' is flawed in the same way that the government's statement - 'The war on drugs' is flawed. Both statements fail to recognise that all substances are both different and at the same time equally as valid as each other.
Maybe better questions would be:
* Does god agree with psychedelics?
* Does god agree with stimulants?
* Does god agree with opiates?
* Does god agree with vaccinations?
* Does god agree with Antidepressant medication?
* Does god agree with foods containing aphrodisiac properties?
* Does god agree with activity produced adrenaline
etc etc..
I think the point that I am trying to make is that if there is such a thing as a god, as in a 'watching'/judging' creator of all things, then where would he/she/it draw the line at unacceptable interaction with substances effecting the brain?
If someone jumps out of a plane to feel a 'buzz' is that any more 'right' in the eyes of 'god' than for a psychonaut to venture on an inner journey of their own mind with the help of a substance found in his/her own environment?
My own personal 'god' doesn't punish me for trying anything (including drugs), rather observes with mild curiosity and amusement! :-)
dextrorotatory
26-01-2006, 03:18
If someone jumps out of a plane to feel a 'buzz' is that any more 'right' in the eyes of 'god' than for a psychonaut to venture on an inner journey of their own mind with the help of a substance found in his/her own environment?
I couldn’t agree more. How is gorging on a huge meal to feel the complete satitation it provides, enjoying a massive runner’s high, or going to starbucks for america’s favorite version of speed (yes I realize trimethylxanthine is not the same as amphetamines but bear with me) any different of a release? Oh well, the poetry of blindness.
The god as I know it is the smallest structure of every organized system there is. God does not have an agenda that any human could understand. The very fact that God isn't governed by time or even the physics that are breakable by him. makes it more a look at how early man fell into worshiping the wrong god.
It's is 78 outside and sunny and I'm probably 5 posts from getting kicked so I'll just go quote from me explaining the Logos to some guys who had the same vision but didn't have a definition.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church
Hehe this thread became very playful recently. I like it!
So I don't think I've actually ever "seen" Gjhgasdf but I know It spoke to me once, as I guess some sort of disembodied voice? It was during a shroomahuasca journey, and it profoundly changed my view of what Gjhgasdf actualy is/isn't/whatever. What stood out the most to me about my vision (well, if I can call it that, for lack of a better word) is that it seemed to be made of TWO voices, even though they were the same. It's like one was the Question and one was the Answer. I can't explain it.
You both are talking about the Logos. It is the other that comes to many during a high dose mushroom trip, and some other high dose entheogens. This is a well documented and studied event with several past studies conducted by universities.
Of all the odd things Psychedelics do, contact with a being outside yourself that speaks your native tung is one of the most interesting aspects of any trip. When you can gleam knowledge from something that is perceived as being outside you then thoughts roll to several questions in the aftermath.
The easiest explanation for this, and the one that spawned every religion that holds the bible as Gods word, is that the Logos is the intermediary voice of God. This means that before power and control became the game of the day for religions, humanity was well aware of this voice and put a label of truth on it. Then the rest of this thought pattern can be observed by just studying easy 101 history. The story of enlightened humans holding a book in one hand, and the belief that if you don't follow the ideology presented, then God (a wrathful, all knowing human male agenda filled being) doesn't mind if you and your family of sin get locked up because your telescope shows hallucinations, obviously a delusional fabrication, of a universe where earth isn't the center.
I think that the logos in both outside and inside us. The voice of the over mind of human conscientiousness maybe? I don't have any idea really.
Of several theories, none of which I would share beyond the anonymous of the web, I do know that this contact comes out of the auditory white noise and jibber-jabber that make up a heavy trip. The experiments on this can be found all over but I'll just point to the MAPS summary that is a decade old. http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v07n1/07112bea.html.
All I know is personal and that isn't for anyone else. The logos comes to me when on a 5-7 gram mushroom trip by myself in complete sensory deprivation. The first time it happened I said, “hello” out loud after smoking a joint and peaking just because I felt like greeting nothing. The word echoed around the room and caused some sort of auditory hallucinations that cascaded into a greeting by the other. It was the sound of an old man for me, though some hear women, and he spoke English in a really low and slow tone. This separate other gave me positive, insightful, and useful information. The fact that emotions were discussed moves me away form this “other” being a voice related to any deity.
I think about where this voice comes from and why it is separate from the monkey mind of the quantum computer that is the 100hz brain thinking - lift my leg, that is bright, this car seat is cold, I need to eat, that girl is cute, answer the phone, turn on the computer, and so on.
speaking theoretically... my views on god are not important here so we will just assume that he exists in at least a semianthropomorphic fashion:
all the things that are bad(evil, sinful, negative, whatever) for people to do according to popular religions(ie rape stealing murder adultery) are created by man. they would simply not exist if man did not create them through his own nature. this would be why god could disapprove, because he perhaps did not intend for these things... drugs were created by god(cannabis mushrooms salvia various forms of dmt various forms of mescaline etc) so therefore it is clearly what he intended. therefore i believe that the archetypal "god" could not logically object to drugs.
cheers
:joint:
Unsolved
07-04-2006, 17:54
In my opinion god doesn't look at drugs as black or white, but more as a grey area. As you guys know not all things are black and white in life, right, or wrong. Drugs are not automatically bad in my mind or even dangerous. Its the people that use them, and how they are used that determines how they should be thought of. Honnestly if someone were to use mdma or some other mind altering susbstance to try and understand him or her self and other stuff relating to life I don't see how god could say this would be wrong. Some people would say "yeah but they are still against the law" My response to that "drinking was once against the law to, does that mean god was disapointed in people then that drank at that time".
Silence_Inc
07-04-2006, 18:54
i don't like this question cause there is no god - and if you would imagin a god that did exist and created all this - well - than he created drugs to so again this question is kind of ... unnescecary.
The bible, has changed a lot in the past. We have many churches with different believes. The old testament stems from the Torah, Jewish faith. Is a rewrite if you will. Far from accurate I might add. Many componements of the bible stem from many old faiths, now gone. Once in a while a really old version of the bible is found. The texts in such bibles differ substantially. Thave you ever played that game where you wisper a sentence to someone next to you, which in turn wishpers it to the next and so on? After a couple of dozen people the sentence is nothing like it was. You can apply this example to the bible really well. Not only the bible has changed. So has god. If you go trough the history of god, you'll find that due to time and faiths, he has had characters from compassionate to wrathful.
Still the church (which in essense wrote the bible as it is today) uses the cup as one of their symbols and the drinking of wine by/with Jesus is well documented. Many of the qoutes above are applicable to certain situations, allowing use of wine on other occasions. Others only refer to excessive use. I believe that because wine is rooted in our culture by the church, alcohol is legal today. As far as damage to your body, this is different per drug. Mushrooms for instance are do not harm your body.
well said Alfa thats a very valid point,but like most of these religious discussions theres allways more than one side to it or more than two even,my belife navie tho u might think,it makes absouletly perfect sense to me and that is that GOD or Allah is the same today tommorrow and forever amen. and the bible might have lost that precious truth along the way when it got watered down by so many different faiths&beliefs,but the truth remains and it will for all eternity!.the truth IS out there if you can be bothered to get of you ass and find it,only if your interested though
or if you figure that we are all god as part of a metaphysical soul conglomerate of some sort then i suppose nothing is wrong really... someone just has to do it... its the natural order anyways... why do you think people practice infantiphagia? i love that word... so wrong but so right...
raven3davis
08-04-2006, 01:44
SWIM thinks god is just everyhting. God is physics gravity, the curvature of space/time, nubula stars. Astronomy is just so interesting and SWIM believes God is the force acting behind everything. That is not to say god is a human like figure who can make decisions about drugs and judge humans. Good and evil is simply a creation of human beings made within our societies. A human type god is also just a creation of human beings.
There is definitely some unexplainable force acting out there but SWIM just does not believe that this force has the ability to judge our actions. We have the ability to judge our own actions as humans so if humans are part of God then Gods opinion on drugs is simply humans opinion on drugs.
If you believe in the Christian God who is the father of Jesus then this figure would not like most drugs. According to God we should treat our body like a temple so many drugs that cause bodily harm would be a sin.
robin_himself
08-04-2006, 19:46
does it make a difference if god does approve or disapprove? I'd still like to think i'm in control of my life here.... and for every believer in God as in the Bible, don't be that selfish to think that man is so damn special... where all just a brick in the wall... of something far more complexed then how religion frames it to be...
robin_himself
08-04-2006, 20:07
does it make a difference if god does approve or disapprove? I'd still like to think i'm in control of my life here.... and for every believer in God as in the Bible, don't be that selfish to think that man is so damn special... where all just a brick in the wall... of something far more complexed then how religion frames it to be...
oh sorry.... i meant to say... "don't be that selfish to think that MANKIND is so damn special....
didn't want to offend people...
INodHardOhYeah
09-04-2006, 02:25
God does NOT agree with drugs, they get in arguments all the time, God never takes the trash out so drugs is holding out on the sex.
Barebonejoe
09-04-2006, 05:17
Could you be a little more specific with what you're trying to say? I'm not quite sure how to interpret that.
Personally, I agree with what a few of you said. I consider god to be everything as well.
I see the modern life-style as a b