View Full Version : Opinions - Why Do People Take Benzodiazepines?
thenumber7
12-03-2007, 00:20
whats the point in these dumb benzos , i took like 3mg of lorzepam and thought i was normal and kept having black outs but i just kept thiking it was normal but everyone told me i wa slurring words and sounded and walked like a retard......what fun is there to this drug!?>?!?!? theres no euphoria or anything
Nature Boy
12-03-2007, 00:35
People don't just take drugs for euphoria. Benzos can be taken for aiding sleep or managing anxiety. Some would even describe their effects as euphoric, perhaps not in a highly stimulating or psychedelic sense but more of a sedatative bliss type of effect.
ISO you got some pretty stuck up friends number 7.If SWIM had a friend who was that messed up from such a gimp dose,SWIM would be like wow,cool.
Riconoen {UGC}
21-03-2007, 04:11
What's the point in driving fast? what's the point in having sex? what's the point in skydiving? what's the point in playing video games? What's the point in eating your favorite snack?
Valium and such have 2 main uses - one to calm you down, help you relax or sleep, and 2 - as a fire extinguisher when one is tripping too much or wishes to end his trip sooner...
Powder_Reality
21-03-2007, 05:34
I think that Nature Boy nailed it here. Although SWIM actually does enjoy using benzodiazepines recreationally (and yes, he does find them quite euphoric), they are used for more than just "getting fucked up".
Personally, SWIM uses benzos medically to help with short-term insomnia and anxiety attacks. The very fact that SWIM suffers from anxiety makes benzodiazepines a very enjoyable recreational substance.
Another thing, different benzodiazepines have different effects. It's not exactly a fair argument that all benzos are "dumb" just because you didn't enjoy lorazepam.
So in closing, people take all those "dumb" benzos because they either enjoy the recreational effect, or for their recommended medical uses (gee, imagine that).
By the way, not to sound malicious or anything, but I suggest you read the forum rules before continuing to post here. Thank you.
smithdogg1
08-04-2007, 01:19
SWIM also suffers from anxiety, and when he takes Benzo’s it feels like weight being lifted off his chest, its great he can not worry obsessively about things like he normally does. When SWIMS friends who do not you have anxiety take them it’s a mix, some don’t care for them others like them, but not on the level SWIM does. And on the note of not everyone taking drugs just for a high, there is nothing better than taking some Ativan to drift off to sleep if one has been tossing and turning for hours when trying to sleep.
addicted2hc
11-04-2007, 17:40
SWIM is prescribed Alprazolam for anxiety. It serves very useful for that purpose and as others have said, a great sleep aid.
Benzo's also have recreational value. SWIM can always feel the onset of benzo's and the buzz is very enjoyable. Not a care in the world. To describe it as best as most of SWIM and friends have, its like being drunk without the stomach ache. Black outs are common when taking high doses with low tolerance.
SWIM personally enjoys benzos regularlly.
powerkoala
08-06-2007, 01:42
Suppose you are weeping uncontrollablly? This is anxiety isn't it? Misery more like. Anyway it makes you sleepy and less responsive. Swim has never tried with any recreational drug.
Orchid_Suspiria
08-06-2007, 02:21
Suppose you are weeping uncontrollablly? This is anxiety isn't it? Misery more like. Anyway it makes you sleepy and less responsive. Swim has never tried with any recreational drug.
It could be considered a part of anxiety.With Swim anxiety and sorrow go hand in hand and equal up to long and harsh days and long and sleepless nights.
Suppose you are weeping uncontrollablly? This is anxiety isn't it? Misery more like. Anyway it makes you sleepy and less responsive. Swim has never tried with any recreational drug.SWIM would classify that more as depression/ manic depressiveness possibly more so than anxiety but they all share so many similar symptoms. it could be anxiety or part of a panic attack. and at a certain dose you should be able to eliminate the sedative aspect of the drug if not most.
Nagognog2
11-06-2007, 17:53
Yes, uncontrolled crying for no apparent reason is more the domain of depression - which is not likely to be treated with a benzodiazepine. With just this smidgen of information, it is not possible to render a diagnosis or treatment. If you know someone with this symptom, I would suggest they see a doctor. Possibly a mood-stimulant would be beneficial. Maybe some cannabis. Maybe a vacation to the seashore! Watch the waves roll in...
SWIJ uses benzodiazepines very infrequently these days (after a period of taking them far too much, which was becoming problematic)
She only ever takes them for anxiety: Mainly prior to job interviews. They work very well.
For a time she used them for stimulant comedowns, but she found her use starting to creep again, and knocked that on the head.
SWIM takes roughly 2-4mg daily but takes breaks and it does wonders for his social anxiety and almost evrything he saw as problematic. he used to have adderall Rxed as well but really if SWIM pushes himself to work at school his morning dose does not hinder his ability to work/learn at all.
powerkoala
14-06-2007, 23:44
Say SWIM has periods of depression like this, but only one crying session. Would you like to hear the truth? Have you seen that film? A Few Good Men? Doesn't someone say "you can't handle the truth?" It would be the same for my cause of depression. I am being remotely tortured. I came to this web to find releif, just dropped in. Experimenting with drugs is something SWIM enjoys.
powerkoala
14-06-2007, 23:46
SWIM wants tea, just a word on alcohol, this a strong depressant. Avoid it, says SWIM. Stimulants. Someone give SWIM stimulants...the stronger the better.
SWIM finds alprazalom useful as a sleep aid, anti anxiety agent, and in use with other drugs. Good thing to have around for stimulant comedowns, downer boosting (in incredible moderation and after careful testing with very low doses) and to calm down a bad hallucinogen trip. That being said SWIM has never understood why people would want to just slam benzos for fun either, but to each their own.
toighttoiger
30-07-2007, 03:45
All they really do is reduce my anxiety/make me fall asleep, which is great for theraputic use. But i never really get a buzz from benzos, and they don't seem very fun to me. Although the only ones i have tried are diazepam, alprazolam, and temazepam. Does anyone else feel this way?
ironmics
30-07-2007, 19:40
I don't think many people find recreational uses with them. They are relaxing, but not fun in anyway since they should decrease dopamine levels.
Rio Fantastic
30-07-2007, 20:32
I just do not understand the appeal of them. I mean, although neither I or Swim have taken benzos, it seems that they do nto get people high, don't give you a buzz, yet are addictive. Why would anyone WANT to take them, except for numbing out things like comedowns?
Psych0naut
30-07-2007, 20:59
A lot of people do find them very relaxing, or even euphoric. SWIM doesn't find them euphoric either, unless when administered I.M.(only sterile ampoules!) And Rohypnol(flunitrazepam) is the only benzodiazepine SWIM finds euphoric orally, for the rest no other out of 13 different benzodiazepines.
I have them scripted to me legally for anxiety attacks. So honestly don't feel buzzed on Benzos. Well Ambien is the exception, sometimes a little buzz even though technically it isn't a benzo.
LexaproHo
31-07-2007, 00:07
Swim took Valium then upgraded to Xanax for anxiety and swim found they numbed his emotional pain and made life a sedated blur, which swim preferred at the time thus swim found he could tolerate life a lot easier...then swim developed addiction so swim took benzos in increasingly higher doses just to feel 'normal' and avoid withdrawal. Gladly, swim has since completed a withdrawal program and hasn't touched them for 3 years.
Benzos are a short term solution which can cause a long time problem if consumed too regularly and in doses not recommended.
bigfish1980
31-07-2007, 01:14
SWIM takes Xanax for anxiety which is a schedule IV drug. That means that it has a low potential for abuse. However when taken in higher doses the potential for addiction increases. If SWIM (has a bit of a tolerance) takes 5mg(< he feels very awsome. Very relaxed , but at the same time wanting to go outside and something, anything. The problem is that when taken at high doses SWIM usually doesn't remember anything the next day:confused::(.
fireflywa
31-07-2007, 05:56
Swim takes up to 1mg of clonazepam and 1mg of alprazoram daily on an as needed basis to get through swim's anxiety attacks. Swim sees no recreational use in benzos considering all they do is sedate swim and make swim feel like he doesn't want to move.
That means that it has a low potential for abuse.
No, it does not. Xanax has a HIGH potential for abuse.
smithdogg1
31-07-2007, 11:59
For SWIM it’s all about the relaxing effect, and getting him to sleep. SWIM is a very anxious person and can never slow his mind down. They can be somewhat euphoric at high doses, but SWIM is trying not to abuse them.
SWIM has found high dose alprazolam quite euphoric during the onset. The problem being at the doses neccessary for this effect it is only a matter of time before he passes out.
He finds lower doses very pleasant and could definetely see potential for recreational use.
It's difficult to describe, but being completely free from anxiety is utterly blissful.
Feeling warm and insulated and safe, just wrapped-in-cotton-wool really. Nothing matters when your flamingo is benzoed up. You are detached from the things that you find difficult to deal with, and there IS (for a certain flamingo anyway) a degree of euphoria also. The disinhibition that can result can also be enjoyable, particularly if there are issues with social anxiety.
It's a very easy sensation to get used to. Benzo use creeps, and all of a sudden, it's difficult/almost impossible to imagine life in any other state.
SWIJ has used benzos only twice in the last year (for pre-interview anxiety), and once you feel that calm flooding in...
^^.. its very easy to work around stressful states when like that and also very morish least with swia personality and clonazepam. They allowed her to be calm and virtually free from some her social faults. to the point where she forget she was taking them and ending up popping them like sweets, even lol used to get angry with partner thinking he had eaten them when in fact was swia that had scoffed them all the night prior, retrograde amnesia for ya!.. they are gr8 when used prescribed or for certain task in one off scenarios like J mentioned other then that there best left alone in swia opinion.
SWIM has a xanax rx and he finds that sometimes a small dose can provide a subtle euphoria, not always but every once in a while. besides that, swim uses xanax(often in combination with kratom) for anxiety.
swim's anxiety disorder gives him insane chest pain, its absolutely unbearable. he'll also have trouble breathing, he will be taking HUGE breaths and it feels like it does nothing. his arms and legs will tingle and he eventually gets headaches after all those symptoms set in. 1mg of xanax fixes that right away.
GreatWonder
31-07-2007, 21:02
It's difficult to describe, but being completely free from anxiety is utterly blissful.
Feeling warm and insulated and safe, just wrapped-in-cotton-wool really. Nothing matters when your flamingo is benzoed up. You are detached from the things that you find difficult to deal with, and there IS (for a certain flamingo anyway) a degree of euphoria also. The disinhibition that can result can also be enjoyable, particularly if there are issues with social anxiety.
It's a very easy sensation to get used to. Benzo use creeps, and all of a sudden, it's difficult/almost impossible to imagine life in any other state.
SWIJ has used benzos only twice in the last year (for pre-interview anxiety), and once you feel that calm flooding in...
SWIG couldn't agree more with SWIJ who described the typical benzo effect to perfection. Only on the last weekend SWIG was experiencing extremely high anxiety to the point where he couldn't think or function properly. Work colleagues were giving SWIG funny looks or thinking SWIG was on another planet - when in fact (as SWIG has mentioned) his anxiety took over his whole day. SWIG then had a train journey to contend with later that evening and needed to arrive at his destination anxiety free. SWIG took his seat and took his Alprazolam and within 30 or so minutes SWIGs thoughts were carefree and SWIG had a fantastic evening.
But yes, SWIG can appreciate that habitual benzo use can creep up unnoticed and often has to stop himself popping a Xanax (Alprazolam) of an evening, as SWIG strongly desires it's calming (and when bedtime comes), sleep inducing qualities. So SWIG tries very hard to use Alprazolam only in necessary situations or as a 'twice weekly or so' treat.
radiometer
31-07-2007, 21:48
SWIM takes Xanax for anxiety which is a schedule IV drug. That means that it has a low potential for abuse.
The "potential for abuse" criterion is a joke. Look at many of the essentially harmless things, with almost no addiction potential, which are placed in Schedule I. Benzodiazepines, and alprazolam in particular, have a very high potential for abuse.
However when taken in higher doses the potential for addiction increases.
If taken chronically at even the low end of the therapeutic dosage range (e.g. .5mg), alprazolam can and will cause tolerance and dependance issues.
If SWIM (has a bit of a tolerance) takes 5mg he feels very awsome. Very relaxed , but at the same time wanting to go outside and something, anything.
If SWIY truly requires alprazolam for dealing with anxiety issues, then he/she is shooting themselves in the foot by taking such large doses, which will inhibit SWIY's ability to get proper effects from their "normal dose." It is a terrible idea to abuse drugs which one requires for ones daily life. People who do so typically find themselves in a downward spiral of tolerance.
The problem is that when taken at high doses SWIM usually doesn't remember anything the next day:confused::(.
Why confused? Amnesia is one of the most common side effects of benzodiazepines.
It really sounds to me like SWIY is not approaching alprazolam with the respect which it deserves, and I truly hope that he/she does not end up with a nasty dependancy. SWIM has been through alprazolam dependance, and it is no fun at all. Benzodiazepines produce an addiction which is one of the most dangerous of all classes of drugs, as quitting them cold turkey can actually be deadly.
Hi Toight :)
Some people will claim a euphoric experience from bzds alone; however what they really mean is a profound feeling of being at peace at at ease.
People do find great recreational value from their abuse; however, as Iron has just pointed it is allosterically/neurologically impossible to for agents affecting the GABA (A) subunits Omega 1, Omega 2, and Omega 3, to induce any kind of true euphoria (i.e., the kind you get from opioids or sexual orasm).
I just do not understand the appeal of them. I mean, although neither I or Swim have taken benzos, it seems that they do nto get people high, don't give you a buzz, yet are addictive. Why would anyone WANT to take them, except for numbing out things like comedowns?
Hi Rio,
I guarantee you the predominant reason long-term users of bzds (alone; not speaking here of use with recreational/illegal drugs) continue on them because they are addicted to them.
Benzodiazepines potently down-regulate natural NTs and their respective neuromodulators over time to such a degree that allosteric augmention of the gamma-amino buytric acid/BZD complex can become permanently[see note] deficient and require lifetime dosing.
Note: I can cite and provide links to any and all of my claims.
I do apogolize for the tenchical-speaks, am in bit of a hurry--if anyone wishes a plain-english version :p ... let me and i'll post it here :)
Be well
Quick question - there is NO edit function on this forum? I know all about the prudence of proof-reading, but come on now.
You can't edit until you get to silver status.
I'd also love to see those citations.
swim had they scripted to him for awhile but he took too many everytime he took them and never could remember the next day if it was fun or not i couldnt remeber the feeling i think they suck
lol! Yep BZDs are fun and useful but they are notoriously amnestic causing you at times to forget what you did the night before or conversations you just had a moment ago.
They can also cause you to forget what you just said a moment ago, not to mention the night before.
:crazy
I'd also love to see those citations.
I conduct my writings as professionally as possible; as such I try NEVER to make unsubstantiated claims or ones which are unalloyed with demonstrable proof.
Unfortunately, my stack of reference and Journals don't lend themselves to the same easy search & access as that of the Internet--and believe me, Jate, the most authoritative, well-documented full studies and claims are still to be found in abundance through that "old medium" of storage.
Therefore I have to resort to the ubiquity of Ashton's works to at least buttress what I do in fact, know are the the nature, consequences, and effects of long-term exposure (and hence neuroadaptive changes) in various CHL ionophor funtions. To wit:
Perceptual symptoms: tinnitus, paraesthesiae — tingling, numbness, pain usually in limbs, extremities--gradually receding, but may last at least a year and occasionally permanent. Motor symptoms: muscle pain, weakness, tension, painful cramps, tremor, shaking attacks, jerks, blepharospasm--gradually receding, but may last at least a year and occasionally permanent.
[quote=I agree that there is an abundance of people with very long-term problems and I have never denied that benzos can cause lasting, possibly permanent, neurological and other symptoms.
I think that long-lasting changes are probably functional, at the level of the GABA/BZ receptors which fail to revert to their pre-benzodiazepine state, often leaving the nervous system hyperexcitable (paraesthesiae, formication, muscle twitches, fasciculation, sensory hypersensitivity, tinnitus, jaw and dental pain, insomnia etc.) or generally unregulated/uncoordinated (cognitive) problems. Being functional changes, they are potentially capable of resolving which is why many people do notice gradual, if incomplete, improvement over the years.
However, occasionally people do have "withdrawal" symptoms which appear to be permanent and may persist till death. This has been reported in the medical literature by others and also observed by myself.[/quote]
*Quotes from Dr Heather Ashton *
You'll note the unequivocal statement from the above citations that "Mechanisms for protracted symptoms not known, but may include both psychological and pharmacological factors, and possibly structural brain damage."
It's all there, Jate. You just need to know and how to research (not saying you don't of course) and where to look.
It is *well* known in organic chemistry that prolonged, heavy usage of drugs which are NT mimetics (and these include opioids) will over time down-regulate by structural and permanent change in those neurofunctions responsible for the natural production of NT of their correlating modulators.
Refill
GreatWonder
08-08-2007, 12:19
SWIG could maybe class himself as a borderline recreational user. A night all on his own may be made a little more interesting if SWIG takes a 0.5mg Alprazolam, he'll then find his mobile phone and chat freely to anyone he so chooses.
Or, SWIG will take Alprazolam and stick on a film, this is one of the only times (the other is when SWIG has company) that he is able to stay concentrated on a film without his mind wandering to a million different places.
methMADMAN
08-08-2007, 15:09
Swim is prescribed Klonopin, but has had xanax and ativan as well and swim HATES the stuff. Swim can barely tolerate it even for theraputic use. Swim simply doesnt like the feeling at all. Swim finds a need for it only because of times of extreme anxiety or because of pysical symptoms of having come off a HEAVY iv methamphetamine habit.
imyourlittlebare
08-08-2007, 16:04
i hate them. some people say use them with opiates or alcohol. swim feels it kills the buzz of both and makes him tired. if swim uses anything its kava. its comparable to benzos in what it does to your brain but its slightly different. and better in swims opinion. he is much more talkative and actually enjoying stuff rather than being sweepy.
i hate them. some people say use them with opiates or alcohol. swim feels it kills the buzz of both and makes him tired. if swim uses anything its kava. its comparable to benzos in what it does to your brain but its slightly different.
Well, first off and most importantly, kavalactones are in a *miniscule* way comparable to bzd in th brain--i.e., you wouldn't give a kava preparation to a pt in a panic attack or status myoclonus (seizure).
In science, we have a habit of being anal (haha, yeah the jokes :D) about the terms we use. And subjective comparitability and empirical or objective comparitability are two different things entirely.
Some people find kava and all manner of differing fucking "natural" herbs (can you say cannibis) to potentiate and positively enchance the effects of EtOH and vice versa. Some don't.
But most do.
Refill
two very similar threads merged
bigfish1980
11-08-2007, 18:03
No, it does not. Xanax has a HIGH potential for abuse.
Please check the scheduling guidelines. Most benzos have a very low abuse potential. That does not mean that they are do not foem dependence.:laugh:
Psych0naut
11-08-2007, 21:25
Swim is prescribed Klonopin(clonazepam), but has had xanax(alprazolam) and ativan(lorazepam) as well and swim HATES the stuff. Swim can barely tolerate it even for theraputic use. Swim simply doesnt like the feeling at all. Swim finds a need for it only because of times of extreme anxiety or because of pysical symptoms of having come off a HEAVY iv methamphetamine habit.Please always include the chemical name of pharmaceutical drugs in your posts! This can be easily obtained from Google or other search engine. Doing so will avoid confusion on this international forum. Thank you.
rocksmokinmachine
12-08-2007, 13:39
SWIM personally finds benzos very euphoric. He loves the feeling. The feeling of total relaxation and pleasant sedation is very appealing.
bigfish1980
12-08-2007, 20:58
The "potential for abuse" criterion is a joke. Look at many of the essentially harmless things, with almost no addiction potential, which are placed in Schedule I. Benzodiazepines, and alprazolam in particular, have a very high potential for abuse.
If taken chronically at even the low end of the therapeutic dosage range (e.g. .5mg), alprazolam can and will cause tolerance and dependance issues.
If SWIY truly requires alprazolam for dealing with anxiety issues, then he/she is shooting themselves in the foot by taking such large doses, which will inhibit SWIY's ability to get proper effects from their "normal dose." It is a terrible idea to abuse drugs which one requires for ones daily life. People who do so typically find themselves in a downward spiral of tolerance.
Why confused? Amnesia is one of the most common side effects of benzodiazepines.
It really sounds to me like SWIY is not approaching alprazolam with the respect which it deserves, and I truly hope that he/she does not end up with a nasty dependancy. SWIM has been through alprazolam dependance, and it is no fun at all. Benzodiazepines produce an addiction which is one of the most dangerous of all classes of drugs, as quitting them cold turkey can actually be deadly.
I appreciate SWIY's concern, but must say that benzo's are treated with much respect in fact SWIM does not take these doses regularly this was a long time ago...:)
swim see that benzo's are really good for anxiety especially when you understand your symptoms.
If you don't have a clinical disorder then well your just lucky aren't ya
ihavequestions
08-02-2008, 01:23
SWIM thinks that valium is pretty weak considering .5mg dose of xanax is the equivilent to 10mg of valium. so why take four 10mg valium when all you have to do is take one 2mg xanax bar?
not only that but most people take a couple xanax bars around 4mg. that would be the equivilent to 80mg of valium.
it would make more sense to use xanax. especialy when it comes to liver metabolizing all that valium.
SWIM would think that people would realy only use xanax, rophynol, or klonopin.
would SWIY agree? or is there a reason people still like valium?
valium is more euphoric and has a longer duration in comparison to xanax
it's also OTC in some places, or easier to obtain than xanax.
Matt The Funk
08-02-2008, 06:40
valium is more euphoric and has a longer duration in comparison to xanax
it's also OTC in some places, or easier to obtain than xanax.
More euphoric? SWIM thinks VERY differently. SWIM has always seen people post the opposite. Alprazolam is short acting, short half-life, while valium is long acting, long half life. But uhh I guess it depends on the person...whatever floats your boat type of thing. Someones cup of tea. (BTW SWIM thinks klonopin(clonazepam) is MUCH better than valium but still prefers alprazolam for recreational use, and clonazepam for anxiety)
LOLvvvvv Swim didn't even realize someone was complaining about how many pills racoons have to take.
radiometer
08-02-2008, 07:10
Wow, is it really all that much effort to swallow four little blue pills?
wackncrack
08-02-2008, 08:54
SWIM thinks that valium is pretty weak considering .5mg dose of xanax is the equivilent to 10mg of valium. so why take four 10mg valium when all you have to do is take one 2mg xanax bar?
not only that but most people take a couple xanax bars around 4mg. that would be the equivilent to 80mg of valium.
it would make more sense to use xanax. especialy when it comes to liver metabolizing all that valium.
SWIM would think that people would realy only use xanax, rophynol, or klonopin.
would SWIY agree? or is there a reason people still like valium?
valium 5 mgs or 10 mgs swim said is a nicer euphoric however; that it is not the equivalent to oxaxapam (serax) 30 mg's but all mix well swim said when comming down from banging coco (the nut that they are).
for sleeping swim often used 10 or so before the last slam of the night or morning? Unless helcion are available swim mention'd.
what do I know tho...I just listen!
this could all be a dream too?
Life is but a dream
wackncrack
08-02-2008, 08:57
SWIM thinks that valium is pretty weak considering .5mg dose of xanax is the equivilent to 10mg of valium. so why take four 10mg valium when all you have to do is take one 2mg xanax bar?
not only that but most people take a couple xanax bars around 4mg. that would be the equivilent to 80mg of valium.
it would make more sense to use xanax. especialy when it comes to liver metabolizing all that valium.
SWIM would think that people would realy only use xanax, rophynol, or klonopin.
would SWIY agree? or is there a reason people still like valium?
Oh I forgot SWIM said that xanax does (for lack of better english lanuage skills) effects the cerebral differently.
harsher side affects than the v's
what do I know tho
I just listen
SmokeNmirrors
08-02-2008, 20:56
Swim with use it here and there for coke comedowns but thats really about it.
A certain lab rat I know would say that alprazolam just makes him drowsy and makes him black out easily. Its pretty useless for him as a recreational drug, and he doesn't care to use it as an anxiolytic. Clonazepam is more enjoyable for him and has less side effects, which goes to show how little 'relative strength' means when it comes to subjective effects. Diazepam can make the lab rat sleepy the next day in higher doses, but he finds it to be the most relaxing and enjoyable (especially with a little cannabis) compared to the other two. Its all personal preference based on how the drug affects you. I personally would ask what the point of using alprazolam is, other than to make you forget something or knock you out.
Swim loves to chew vals for that great taste.
You know it's the real thing.
Xanax is a laser shot to the brain which wipes out all anxiety
for 4 hours then oh..oh time to take another.
With Vals you get a 6 hrs mellow calmness which relaxes your whole body.
Swim hopes to try Clonazepam which apparently lasts all day.
radiometer
10-02-2008, 01:05
Eddie and his wife use benzodiazepines occasionally for sleep. While he prefers alprazolam, she far prefers diazepam. She says she has much more pronounced next-day effects from alprazolam, which is the opposite of what you'd expect.
Bottom line, benzos can vary quite a bit in their effects from individual to individual.
Geemonster
10-02-2008, 05:49
I used to use Heroin,have smoked once since Aug 06,that was when i had the flu.
Diazepam or Nitrazepam mixed with weed is nice,but can be habit forming as most know.
Im prescribed them to help me reduce my meth script,they help somewhat.
So im careful to only use them for the 1st 4 days of my reduction.
Hope to be off by June latest. :)
SWIM thinks that valium is pretty weak considering .5mg dose of xanax is the equivilent to 10mg of valium. so why take four 10mg valium when all you have to do is take one 2mg xanax bar?
not only that but most people take a couple xanax bars around 4mg. that would be the equivilent to 80mg of valium.
it would make more sense to use xanax. especialy when it comes to liver metabolizing all that valium.
SWIM would think that people would realy only use xanax, rophynol, or klonopin.
would SWIY agree? or is there a reason people still like valium?
I like em because of the way they make me feel.
If you do em daily you build a tolerance,that's no good.
Moderation! Too much of anything is good for nothing.
They have to be cox's
Besides people are different Biochemically,so what works for one won't necessarily work for another.
In terms of the Prescribers - they sometimes prefer lower potency benzodiazepines.
First of all unless the benzo equivalence table is available or easily remembered then it's much easier to accidently prescribe larger relative doses of the potent benzo's
One 2mg Diazepam tablet daily is sometimes prescribed. (It's possible this low a dose is more placebo than effect in some people or equates to far less total benzodiazepine dose on a prescription)
Equivalent xanax dose would be 0.1mg
*In terms of placebo effect people who do not understand potency will think the diazepam is a strong(er) dose.
*In terms of further splitting the 2mg tablets can usually be split in two.
Now with the number of people who are trying to ban benzos or have taken legal action against prescribers it's not really that surprising super low doses, long acting & low total quantity benzos are becoming the preferred option in some cases. It seems self-responsibility is beginning to vanish, "it is always someone else's fault" is leading to a situation where everyone thinks of liability first.
sweetsugar
10-02-2008, 11:30
SWIM thinks that valium is pretty weak considering .5mg dose of xanax is the equivilent to 10mg of valium. so why take four 10mg valium when all you have to do is take one 2mg xanax bar?
not only that but most people take a couple xanax bars around 4mg. that would be the equivilent to 80mg of valium.
it would make more sense to use xanax. especialy when it comes to liver metabolizing all that valium.
SWIM would think that people would realy only use xanax, rophynol, or klonopin.
would SWIY agree? or is there a reason people still like valium?
Apparently xanax is unavailable in the UK :(
Swim still enjoys a wee handfull of diazee's with a few beers and perhaps a few spliffs, swim would use diazee's/nitrazee's/tamazee's mostly for comedowns but loves the buzz either way ~ :p
Benzo's are great for opiate w/d's too.
JaWill88
10-02-2008, 12:23
swim would also ask the question, why would anyone use xanax (alprazolam)? it's got a really short life so it has strong effects which means the line between not enough and too much is very thin. and the only thing that happens when one takes a bit too much is it knocks them out. how fun is that? swim could probably be prescibed to any benzodiazepine available in the US and swim chooses clonazepam. it lasts way longer than alprazolam, it has the same potency as alprazolam, it has muslce relaxing effects alprazolam lacks, and swim just finds it much, much more enjoyable. diazepam (valium) is quite similar in effects and duration to clonazepam and would rather take diazepam any day over alprazolam. the only thing alprazolam seems good for is really taking out anxiety. that's it. swim finds clonazepam to be much more euphoric and for swim that has a lot to do with it's physical effects (muscle relaxation) and just feels a lot cleaner and better to swim. swim has taken clonazepam and alprazolam both, many, many times and once again swim has to say clonazepam feels 1,000,000 times better than alprazolam. oh yeah the only other thing alprazolam is good for is going to sleep.
Swim is prescribed .5mg of Clonazepam every day because of paralyzing anxiety. The benzo makes swim feel normal and comfortable.
rocksmokinmachine
14-02-2008, 17:35
it would make more sense to use xanax. especialy when it comes to liver metabolizing all that valium.
Not necessarily. Some people may prefer a benzodiazepine witha longer half life. For general day to day anxiety it is much better than taking a short acting benzo like alprazolam (Xanax). Alprazolam is also very difficult to withdraw from, many people find the diazepam substitution difficult.
Codehead
16-02-2008, 15:21
SWIM has never taken benzos for medication, he has prescription for xanax. He takes only because it gives him nice feeling, little euphoria. Actually took... SWIM got physically addicted to them, so he stopped. Now he havent used them regulary for almost 3 months, last time he took was 2weeks, he waits one more week then he takes again for two days :)