View Full Version : Should a drug used to treat addiction be defined differently from an addictive drug?
This website is in french, but its very good
www.e-boga.com (http://www.e-boga.com)
Micklemouse
17-11-2004, 11:42
Use the Private Message function(PM at the bottom of each post). As the majority of people in the States, Canada and U.K. have trouble with English(only half joking!) it wouldn't be fair to have posts in the main topics in another language.
However, I suppose if you asked for replies in French at the start of the topic... Or, (lightbulb over head moment!), petition Alfa and the moderators for a French forum to go with the German and Dutch ones. If we're a truly global community we need to start taking the Latin tongues into consideration too...
Back to the topic...Yes, Iboga is a drug! It's a highly potent and long lasting Psychedelic that has had fantastic results helping people kick addictions. Use the Search Engine at the top of the page(type Ibogaine - you've got to be quite precise, as it won't ask "Did you mean..?" like Google will!). I've come across a couple of reports on the Forums.
Use the Private Message function(PM at the bottom of each post). As the majority of people in the States, Canada and U.K. have trouble with English(only half joking!) it wouldn't be fair to have posts in the main topics in another language.
However, I suppose if you asked for replies in French at the start of the topic... Or, (lightbulb over head moment!), petition Alfa and the moderators for a French forum to go with the German and Dutch ones. If we're a truly global community we need to start taking the Latin tongues into consideration too...
Back to the topic...Yes, Iboga is a drug! It's a highly potent and long lasting Psychedelic that has had fantastic results helping people kick addictions. Use the Search Engine at the top of the page(type Ibogaine - you've got to be quite precise, as it won't ask "Did you mean..?" like Google will!). I've come across a couple of reports on the Forums.
I don't agree with your analyse. How something witch interrup drug can be a drug? Can you tell me?
How water can givefire? I'm very intersting in your answer.
Micklemouse
17-11-2004, 12:27
Any substance which changes a person's consciousness and/or physical state without giving any nutritional benefit(ie food) or causing pain/death(poison) can be said to be a drug.That said, there can be a very thin line between food, drug and poison...
Ibogaine seems to work by allowing a person to break down the patterns that lead to and reinforce addictive behaviour. As this may mean exploring some dark and well hidden rooms along the way it is not a drug to be taken lightly. We're talking major reprogramming here, and this requires close supervision and to be relatively physically fit(there have been a couple of deaths), as well as a lot of aftercare. Look for Betty-Bupe on the forum(again use the Search Engine) for some first hand info. It's not a 100% cure, but it has made the difference between life and addiction or worse for a lot of people.
<<Any substance which changes a person's consciousness and/or physical state without giving any nutritional benefit(ie food) or causing pain/death(poison) can be said to be a drug>>.
Sorry my english isn't good.
Alcool, wine, tabacco, foods (we think to obesity) can be name drug according to you. It's not a good thing. We think it's very important to make separation between drug (cocain, LSD, opium,...) to other substance.
We think a drug is a substance which OBLIGEus TO CONSUME without any nutritional benefit. "OBLIGE" is very important causing some damages to our body or mind.
According to my definition, Iboga can not be a drug (I don't talk about Ibogaine but Iboga).
Iboga is a medecine, a strong medecine. And any medecine can damage our body without notice. That why Iboga have to be taken carefully with a supervisor 'in french we say "Maitre-Initiateur".
Let me remind you please that when we talk about antibiotics, we say that it'sa substance which make "WAR" to microbes. When we talk about "antypiretic" (example : paracetamol) we talk about something which make "WAR" to headache andfever.
According to this definition, Ibogamakes "war"against drugs. Means it is an "antidrug" !
www.e-boga.com (http://www.e-boga.com)
Micklemouse
17-11-2004, 14:47
I see your point, but tea, coffee, alcohol, chocolate,
McDonald's all 'oblige to consume' with little or no
nutritional benefit and often great harm to the body
and mind, but by your definition would not be classed
as drugs.
Addiction is a very personal thing, and many people use
the substances you name(cocaine, opiates) without
becoming 'obliged' to consume them,ie become addicted,
whilst others become addicted to painkillers, benzo's
and other 'medicines', as well as things classed as
foods(sugar, chocolate, salt, fat...)
Ibogaine is an extract from Tabernanthe Iboga, which is
used in sacred rites and initiations in the Gabon. All
over the world there are plants that are used in the
same way- mescaline, ayahuasca, mushrooms - all of
which are classed as drugs, all of which have healing
properties and all of which are potentially harmful, as
would Iboga be in the wrong hands.
Check out http://www.iboga.com/ (it's in English and
French!Sorry, not worked out how to make links yet!).
Btw, your English is fine Steed - keep posting! It's
good to get views from different cultures. Apologies
if my English is too complicated!
I know this too is an old thread, but just to clarify- I think from what we know, all substances which alter the functioning of the brain and/or body are drugs. We do classify drugs morally/socially by way of legal status, and to some extent, "drugs" tends to imply harmful/addictive substances. But we also know that antibiotics are "drugs," as are all other pharmaceuticals. Some plants contain substances which are active as drugs, or can be processed into substances which act as drugs. But I think the underlying issue here is that the word "drugs" is very vague, in that as I stated above, it encompasses any substance which changes one's mind/body via its effects. That is why I think it is so important to make clarifications when posting or talking about "drugs." Ie. "addictive drugs," "substances of abuse," "psychedelics," "empathogens," "illegal drugs," "maintenance drugs," etc. are all terms we can use to differentiate our meaning and clarify in what sense we are using these words.