windtraveler
01-11-2004, 22:21
I dont see much going on in this section of the Drugs-forum, so...
One of the topics that i enjoy most, the human mind. (Very complicated but highly simplified here of course.)
In Psychology, our minds consist of three distinct but heavily overlapping sections: the conscious, the subconscious, and the unconscious.
The conscious is, obviously, made up of what we are aware of-- our rational thought and analysis, our easily remembered memories, and our personalities.
The subconscious is that which lies beneath our conscious minds, which some think may not be accessed. It is our habits (habits of thought and action), our memories long forgotten or repressed, the undercurrent of hidden thoughts, emotions, and moods, and the conditioning by society that each of us undergoes while growing up, all of which greatly influences our actions and conscious thoughts. Dreams, according to theory, and which i believe, come from this realm.
The unconscious is the part of the mind shaped by our long evolutionary history. It is impersonal.
It is not so much the subconscious that fascinates me, but what lies beyond it. In the years that i have been exploring it with meditation practices and entheogens, i have seen so many different things, and yet i feel i still have experienced so little of it. I have found thoughts beneath thoughts, and many more beneath them. I have found the fear of death when i thought i had none. With and without chemical help, I have found visions of otherworldly creatures, of earthly goddesses, of various ordinary faces and gestures, of locations that i have never visited, of moments and places long forgotten, of early childhood happiness and innocense, of pain thought to be since gone, and thoughts and emotions that i once thought only psychopaths and people in 'nut houses' harbored. I have even seen what lies beneath the human intellectual mind, when the slate is wiped completely clean.
I wonder what would happen if the line between the conscious and the subconscious were blurred and completely broken. I suppose if the ammount of material gushing from unawareness to awareness were too much for the individual, they may no longer be able to function in society, i.e. a new regime of insanity takes power. Some days i feel like i will inevitably join their ranks on the very edge of society, if i havent already.
But if it happened to the right person at the right time, after wading through the mess of the once subconscious matter, he or she may become "enlightened," "awake," or "living in the Kingdom of God." There would no longer be a subconscious. Would this person even dream at night? Would this person be whole at last, the Son of God, the Living Buddha, Muhammed the Prophet? And would this person be prosecuted and stoned to death? Would this person be born again into the Garden of Eden, to be like a child with new eyes upon the world? Is this possible and is this what they call enlightenment?
I know i'm using religious undertones here, but its the only thing i have to express some of these ideas, plus i want to elicit thoughts from others as to what they have found and what they think, but steer clear from any religious discussion at the same time. I dont consider anything above to be wholey or even partially original.
How have psychedelics,hallucinogens, deliriants, and other drugs helped in your own explorations? Feel free to elaborate on/correct/hypothesize/explain in clearer terms anything above.
One of the topics that i enjoy most, the human mind. (Very complicated but highly simplified here of course.)
In Psychology, our minds consist of three distinct but heavily overlapping sections: the conscious, the subconscious, and the unconscious.
The conscious is, obviously, made up of what we are aware of-- our rational thought and analysis, our easily remembered memories, and our personalities.
The subconscious is that which lies beneath our conscious minds, which some think may not be accessed. It is our habits (habits of thought and action), our memories long forgotten or repressed, the undercurrent of hidden thoughts, emotions, and moods, and the conditioning by society that each of us undergoes while growing up, all of which greatly influences our actions and conscious thoughts. Dreams, according to theory, and which i believe, come from this realm.
The unconscious is the part of the mind shaped by our long evolutionary history. It is impersonal.
It is not so much the subconscious that fascinates me, but what lies beyond it. In the years that i have been exploring it with meditation practices and entheogens, i have seen so many different things, and yet i feel i still have experienced so little of it. I have found thoughts beneath thoughts, and many more beneath them. I have found the fear of death when i thought i had none. With and without chemical help, I have found visions of otherworldly creatures, of earthly goddesses, of various ordinary faces and gestures, of locations that i have never visited, of moments and places long forgotten, of early childhood happiness and innocense, of pain thought to be since gone, and thoughts and emotions that i once thought only psychopaths and people in 'nut houses' harbored. I have even seen what lies beneath the human intellectual mind, when the slate is wiped completely clean.
I wonder what would happen if the line between the conscious and the subconscious were blurred and completely broken. I suppose if the ammount of material gushing from unawareness to awareness were too much for the individual, they may no longer be able to function in society, i.e. a new regime of insanity takes power. Some days i feel like i will inevitably join their ranks on the very edge of society, if i havent already.
But if it happened to the right person at the right time, after wading through the mess of the once subconscious matter, he or she may become "enlightened," "awake," or "living in the Kingdom of God." There would no longer be a subconscious. Would this person even dream at night? Would this person be whole at last, the Son of God, the Living Buddha, Muhammed the Prophet? And would this person be prosecuted and stoned to death? Would this person be born again into the Garden of Eden, to be like a child with new eyes upon the world? Is this possible and is this what they call enlightenment?
I know i'm using religious undertones here, but its the only thing i have to express some of these ideas, plus i want to elicit thoughts from others as to what they have found and what they think, but steer clear from any religious discussion at the same time. I dont consider anything above to be wholey or even partially original.
How have psychedelics,hallucinogens, deliriants, and other drugs helped in your own explorations? Feel free to elaborate on/correct/hypothesize/explain in clearer terms anything above.