Experiences - Ambien (Zolpidem) Experiences [Archive]

twilex

12-12-2004, 00:50

These are ONLY my own personal findings.. Recreationally, I found
it most enjoyable laying down on my back, in a dark room [but not
completely dark, allowing some shadows to be projected on the walls],
with snack food in close proximity! I have had some of the most
fantastic experiences under these conditions.

A few times, I found myself in a dream state while awake where
environmental sounds [my air conditioner, foot steps in the hallway,
even my roommates snoring] worked into the dream (one of the most
memorable times was when I found myself in a factory, where the noises
around me were displayed as machinery).

Other times, I'd keep my eyes open and I'd see the shadows on the walls
and other things in the room grow larger and smaller in size, and
sometimes 'bend' out of shape. But when I thought about what was
happening too much, everything would snap back to normal, so you have
to really try to keep your mind clear and relaxed.

Another thing, is that I get incredibly [bottomless pit] hungry.
Alot of food has tasted way too good [especially granola bars].
Sometimes I would get slight euphoria aswell. But I built up a
tolerance fairly quickly. Addictive? Personally, not at
all. I've also had no comedown, no short or longterm withdrawl,
and no hangover in the morning.

Nowadays it does not give me as many fun effects as when I first began
taking it, but in conjunction with some other meds I take at night it
does help me get to sleep. And I'll just mention again, these
have just been my own experiences, it's possible that no one else on
earth have had similar effects.

phisheroo

15-12-2004, 21:51

my standard experience consists of an hour of lazyness, one hour of blackout and a long nap, but the most i can remember is a euphoria and weird patterns coming from the floors

RoboCop

15-12-2004, 22:08

Yes this is a fun recreational drug, however its an odd one. I'd say the feeling is a mix between other benzo's and alcohol, I can never walk straight, decent euphoria. At high doses expect not to remmember everything, if you are a teenager and live with your parents make dam sure they will be asleep or out of the house because I did alot with a few other benzos, I remmember being high then falling asleep when I woke up. But more happened I guess my parents talked to me and I was very noticable wacked out on something. The next day I went to work came home and told them I was going out, thats when they said "not after what happened last night" then I thought shit what did I do know, and asked " last night?" they replied you don't even remmember do you....nope not a clue http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif They asked what I was high off of I told them they don't need to know. And they left it alone. Looking back at all this I just think its dam funny. Probally gonna be a long time till I can get my hands on some more though. I'd love to try this and marijuana.

serotonin

16-12-2004, 01:25

first and only time i ever took ambien, i took 40mg all at once. man was that weird. it somewhat reminded me of high doses of dipenhydramine/dipenhydrinate. i was having visual delusions (not hallucinations, i find there is a destinct yet indescribable difference) as well as mental delusions. i remember i could feel it coming on, and i felt so overwhelmingly tired. i sort of stumbled over to the closest place i could lie down. the next 6 or so hours i was in a complete daze. i didn't move from my spot. i think i was sleeping about half the time. impossible to tell though.

i remember i was lying down with a plastic bin full of spaghetti (i hate spaghetti) and eating it with a large metal fork. then water started dripping on my head, which really scared me. i felt my pillow and it was all wet, along with my head. i looked up to discover that the water was dripping right off my ceiling, but not through a hole or anything, just coming right out of the ceiling. i blacked out right after my discovery.

when i woke up slightly coherant again i instantly remembered the water, but there was no water. everything was completely dry, no leak, anything. the spaghetti wasn't real either.

so weird.

thefixed

17-01-2005, 04:27

first time i took ambien was 20mg and a whole lot of drinking and about
15 minutes after take it i was trying to walk down the road (about 2am)
and i had the urge to pretend i was a spinning storm and spun faster
and faster and looking up at a street light. then i couldnt
figure out which waty was up and i jumped really hard in to the street
and gashed my elbow and knee ( big scars now). i tried to stand
up and just kept stubling and then i jumped straight into the sidewalk.
those gashes took about 8 hours to finally stop bleeding and like 2
months to heal.

i went back to a buddys house and didnt remember what happened over the
next 2 hours but i was told i was bouncing off the walls and signing
songs abiout shrimp. i never went to sleep till the next
night. so i guess im saying dont spin in circles. also i
read after that drinking with ambien can slow down your heart really
low and it could sstop so dont do that either. its a fuckin fun
drug,

vicodinaddik

21-01-2005, 11:31

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gifI love Ambien!! It helps me sleep so good w/out a hangover. Recreationally, it's pretty euphoric. You can tell when it kicks in, everything is like almost paralyzing and slower. The most I took was 40mg., though so I don't know if that's considered "recreational" enough.

Diphenhydramine

03-06-2005, 23:07

Robocop, please try ambien with marijauna, or better yet, try this combination:

-marijuana

-dxm

-ambien

swim did this one night...it was rediculous, total heightenned dxm
senses, drunken visuals, with time lapses and a memory blackout at
certain points. swim thinks you shopuld enjoy this recipe.

greener

04-06-2005, 05:01

Ambien can be really crazy, and at much lower doses than you'd
expect... I remember when I first started taking them, I took
them exactly as prescribed and got very pleasant effects at 10
mg. Of course, that changes over time... One strange thing
about Ambien is the fact that if you take enough to get that state
similar to tripping, A) you probably won't remember it in the morning,
and B) while you're on it you have a strange urge to take more and more
and more... For that reason, it's good to have a sober person
hold them, so you don't take too much in one night, which would suck if
only because it ensures that you won't remember the fun part.

SWIM took a dose of 40 mg, then when things got weird, ended up going
through about 14 10mg tabs in one night. I know this sounds like
a lie, but SWIM woke up completely naked, UNDER his bed (which is not
that high off the ground). He couldn't find his clothes for a
long time, then as he went out to his car (which is on the street, a
good distance from his house) found them in his driveway. SWIM
was alone that night, and needless to say, he doesn't really want to
know what happened, and certainly hopes no one else does. (I am
not encouraging this sort of behavior in any way -- that is a
dangerously high does, and SWIM would not have taken it intentionally
and is very glad that nudity is the worst thing that happened, as far
as SWIM knows...).

Oh, and if you haven't figured this out, you won't have ANY fun if you
eat anything within 3-4 hours before you take them. Once they
kick in, however, eating is fun, and SWIM discovered that while he was
eating and Ambien-tripping, he could imagine that whatever he was
eating (say, plain slices of bread) was something else (say, ice cream)
and found it to be equally yummy. Maybe that only works for SWIM,
I don't know.

powerpenguin

13-06-2005, 18:46

Very little or no effects I think my Ambien is fake. It's from an internet pharmacist, and it doesn't even seem to have much if any sedating effect either.

Can someone confirm my suspicions please?

Diphenhydramine

17-06-2005, 02:37

What is the concentration? If it is 5 or 10 mg, (correct me if I'm wrong), it should be smaller than a tictac, and white.

Of course, your "internet pharmacist" could have created a sugar pill
that's the same size. Most likely your body just doesn't like
it. Drugs have different effects concerning different
people. Maybe you're just unlucky.

Mike177

27-06-2005, 20:07

If you took 50mg of ambean, it would be hard not to notice them. my highest dose was 30mg, and I fell down some stairs and woke up the next morning all cut and scraped up. I didnt remember one damn thing. Was this your first time to use ambiean? Do you have another souce to compare to?

RemyLeBeau

23-07-2005, 06:07

Whenever i take ambien it fucks me up but it comes with a cost, projectial vommiting. I can't explain it but almost everytime I take the stuff I vommit, I don't usually remeber a whole lot after that. If anyone knows how I can stop this let me know.

bowlingforcindy

25-07-2005, 22:02

ive never heard of ambien before. is it better than codeine. i tihnk codeine is pretty good, but if you take too much, it gives u fuc ups for the next day. how would you campare it to ambien. just one person tell me its better than codeine and i will get some.

where can you get it by the way, are there any orther drugs out of this section that are worth trying, not tried any of them yet.

Diphenhydramine

26-07-2005, 09:02

um, ambien and codeine are nowhere near the same. Ambien is a sleep prescription.

codeine can make you feel really good. ambien will make you feel
fucked and you will probably have blackouts and not remember what you
did. so it depends on what you want to do.

just go to your doctor and tell him you are having trouble sleeping, and he will probably prescribe it to you.

cartex12

11-08-2005, 03:51

i love ambien and can't seem to get high off codeine. i take 3 times a
dose of codeine that my mom takes (non recreationally) and she will end
up nappin on the couch i feel nothing. so for me ambien is better, i
find 20-40 mg's is really fun take them in the middle of the day thats
when my best experiences are. however i get amazing(and very strange
dreams) when i go to bed on ambien. for a first time i would suggest
20mg's ambien is a great drug and i highly reccomend it. Ambien is the
number 1 perscribed sleep aid in america so it shouldn't be to hard get
a perscriptions for i have one and i use it almost everyday and have
been for about 3 weeks. i don't think its addictive at all i do think
its very fun. good luck and have funhttp://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

primal440

03-11-2005, 00:56

yesterday i took 4 10 mg pills of zolpidem and i didnt get any visuals that were on the other side of suggerstion or placebo, if they were for ral they were very mild and ordinary, not like melting or the typical wind effect, i just saw a leaf glowing red and shit. I also took 1 10mg diazepam and 1 2m clonazepam to see if it could help. That day i had also taken some more diazepam and tramadol. maybe the tramadol caused the no reaction or maybe my high tolerance to benzos crossed to zolpidem, making me inmune to its "psychedelic" effects. maybe i did something wrong, any suggestions, even on set and setting? now im going to take a few shots of cognac and whiskey to make this lost somewhate more enjoyable since all i got was past the dreamy state the typical strange thoughts. ive taken ambien before and i did have a great experience, i dont know why this happened, wether my toolerance for benzos or the tramadol...Edited by: primal440

Mike177

05-11-2005, 21:46

primal440

06-11-2005, 04:42

yeah i agredd with you until i remembered i had another experience with ambien in which i had taken 20 mg and forgot about it, then from nothing i got my visual field all cleared and dark/brighter can't really explain it, i had an euphoria so strong i was drooling over the counter in which i had entered i dont know why, mild viuals. strange, must be a diet of benzo and tramadol (and cannabis) which is doing this? or maybe sometimes ill get it and sometimes not.

anyways, i took 300 mg of dxm the other day and i got dxm wffects (1-2 plateau) mixed with serotonin syndrome (diarrhea), maybe trhe same diet is causing this?

and another question, i know this drug belongs to another forums but some of us do other drugs, so, ifyou had taken valium (which has a half life of 20-100 [36-200] hours) and some days later you took LSD, did you notice any negative effect on its potency?

thats all, thanks in advance...

pharmapsyche

06-11-2005, 08:56

Ambien is a very unpredictable drug, in my opinion. I've never seen two people exhibit the same effects of this non-benzo hypnotic. SWIM has tried little expierements with zolpidem, both alone and with a close friend. SWIM noted that several unique facts:

*previous exposure to zolpidem increased drug craving

*The dose-response curve is very high. There is a fine line between a dose that will give you a nice, stoning sedation and a dose that will cause you to have amnesia, incoordination and stupor.

marleysherb

08-11-2005, 05:40

Ambien is a truly addictive and dangerous drug. SWIM remembers he felt
like powder was rushing through his vains on this. He also remembers
taking a lesser dose and sleepwalking through school in his younger
years. This was the beginning of his beautiful friendship with the law.
I would recommend to any newbies to be in a safe place when using this
as a rec drug. It does react differently to different people, however
one does crave some gonja on it http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

pharmapsyche

08-11-2005, 06:45

Yeah, zolpidem and cannabis go GREAT together, in my opinion. They compliment each other really well. Ambien is an interesting drug. I wonder if they will ever take it off of the market. I sure can see the pharmaceutical company getting sued as a result of something zolpidem "made them do."

pharmapsyche

08-11-2005, 21:43

I'd love to try zopiclone so I could compare it with Ambien.

My friend use to be prescribed to Ambien and would hand them out graciously. I never saw any noticeable abuse potential. In fact, they just made me angry (and oddly enough, a little horny). A few months ago, I switched from trazodone (ZERO recreational value, didn't even knock me out after a 48-hour Adderall tweak) to Ambien, 10mg. After a few nights of taking the drug and smoking cannabis I started to appreciate the Ambien feel. The drug became highly recreational to me. Interesting that I didn't like it until I became more open-minded to the idea that it could, in fact, get me high. When my friend had them, I always assumed that they were no better then trazodone and had nothing to offer.

jaked588

21-12-2005, 06:01

i like to have fun with ambien occasionally such as when im out of weed. usually, i take one 10 mg tablet and thats good enough for me. about half the time i take 15 mg. for me it takes about 45 mins to fully kick in and it seems like the peak lasts for a WHILE (usually because i pass out when peaking). i have never done strong hallucinogens such as LSD or shrooms but every time i do ambien, i definetely have visuals, some stronger than others. i have favorite things to look at while im on it, the first thing being the ceiling. a good description of the visuals would be: this one time i was with my friend and we each took 10 mg and watched a movie with the lights off. i didnt feel anything but tired after about a half hour and i told my friend i would turn the lights on. with the light on, everything was different. i laid back on the bed and looked at the ceiling and the plaster pattern (on most walls) was melting away from the light in all directions. its very trippy if you ask me. i just had another nice experience a few days ago. i turned off the lights for about an hour and when i turned them on i looked at the door (just a wood, unpainted door) and the door became 3-D and was melting outward in random directions. i stared at the door for probably about 30 mins listening to my ipod and finally went to sleep. ambien is a lot of fun but i wouldnt want to do it... every day, maybe once or twice a month. have fun

EDIT: also, most of the time you wont remember anything. i remember i chilled with 3 of my friends and we did ambien. all i remember is falling asleep before it kicked in. all of my friends told me that i was doing crazy shit like stumbling all over the room and i couldnt manage to get myself into an aerobed that was like 5 inches off the ground while they all laughed at me. i also supposedly told my friend that his face was melting... dont remember any of it

GNCSUX

21-12-2005, 20:49

Ambien hasnt really given me a high at all ... 10mg doesnt do anything for me and thats the recommend dose ... 20mg makes my eyes heavy thats about it ... never tryed the 30s or 40s might have to if you guys says it works

Nicaine

31-08-2006, 11:45

Ambien reacts very differently for each individual. In my experience some people will get some pretty good visuals and a nice body high. Now SWIM never got anything fun or recreational from Ambien, but many people would disagree.

It seems your either "get it" or don't.
SWIM gets the body high (relaxation/euphoria), but little or nothing in the way of visuals. It's like a cross between benzos & an alcohol buzz to him, minus the nausea of course. His thought process relaxes and becomes more random, like the way it gets a few minutes before falling asleep. He finds Ambien to be very pleasant, with some potential for addiction (but not too bad). The tendency to fall asleep sort of makes it self-limiting in terms of dosing, and true addiction is unlikely with just a dose or two/day.

Benzeneringz

08-09-2006, 20:35

The purpose of this post is to describe the effects of zolpidem on drug-induced fatigue at a therapeutic dose. The ‘study’ was carried out on a subject who demonstrated signs of hypolocomotion following the period of stimulant abuse. The medication was administered on an empty stomach, and furthermore the rate of gastric emptying was significantly reduced which probably had an effect on time to tMax but not half-life.

(T-0 minutes) The time is 10:14 PM. I swallow one tablet with a small glass of tap water. Currently my state of mind is defiantly not at baseline, due to the disruption in my circadian rhythm. As of right now, I have been awake for 33 hours and 20 minutes. I have not eaten in the time I’ve been awake. This can surely be credited to the fact that I took 120 milligrams of Adderall when I first woke up yesterday along with an additional 150 milligrams spread throughout the day.

(T-10 minutes) At 10:24 I first begin to notice an effect. Although zolpidem doesn’t exhibit anxiolytic action at therapeutic (or even sub-thereputic doses) there is certainly the sense of one. This is probably due to enhanced GABAergic action in my hypothalamus. I would venture out on a limb and say that most of the tension that comes from using amphetamine and not sleeping is a result of norepinephrine overload.

(T-40 minutes) It’s hitting me from every direction all of a sudden and it’s totally unique. I’m seeing the letters on the screen quiver and there are patterns forming in the background of this document. It’s not so much a literal hallucination; rather, it’s like I am seeing these things but I can’t think fast enough to make sense of them. To sum it all up, ladies and gents I am dealing with some serious drug-induced confusion at this present moment in time. I would probably cause a disaster if I was behind the wheel of a car right now. It may sound like I’m over exxadurating the noted effects but I want to make it clear that I am indeed dazed and confused after swallowing a 10 milligram tablet of zolpidem.

CONCLUSION: Zolpidem is a successful counter-measure to drug-induced fatigue but facilitated hypolocomotion. There was a moderate effect on mood and an extreme effect on cognition. Drowsiness was not observed to be a significant effect of zolpidem despite the fact that it’s marketed as a sedative-hypnotic. Visual disturbances were noted and can probably be attributed to the inhibitory effect that zolpidem has on neuronal charge potential but this cannot be assured since there is no scientific proof. Basically folks, Ambien is a very unique pharmaceutical in the way that it exhibits selectivity to GABA-BZP receptors but lacks the classic benzodiazepine profile in terms of anxiolytic, sedative, and myorelaxant properties. There is a lot to discover about the GABA receptor complex which is comprised of several different subunits, with ligands displaying unique pharmacological activity.

Psych0naut

08-09-2006, 20:46

It would be very helpful if SWIY noted the dose of Zolpidem used in the experiment.
SWIM has used Zolpidem once to go to sleep after using copious amounts of amphetamine.
He put 6 tablets of 10mg Zolpidem tartrate under his tung and waited for them to melt, the taste of them was really disgusting.
After 3 minutes they were disolved, and literally after 5 he was knocked out like he took a barbiturate.
They're very useful when one wants to sleep after using amphetamines, as they will garanteedly knock you out, though SWIM took pretty much.

Benzeneringz

08-09-2006, 22:58

It was a 10 mg tab.

Nicaine

09-09-2006, 07:02

Interesting report, thanks. As you noted, zolpidem tartrate is classified as a sedative-hypnotic and isn't a benzo, which explains the effects on mood and cognition (common, from SWIM's reading other reports of Ambien's effects on the forums... a few literally use it to get high). However, it typically induces sleep, or a state conducive to sleep... did SWIY end up going to bed soon after posting the report? Or did the lack of drowsiness persist and SWIY stay awake (and if so, how much longer)?

Forthesevenlakes

09-09-2006, 10:39

nice report!

swim has taken 10 mg zolpidem after a run of stimulant use. he had used about .5 g cocaine over the course of 3 hours. after about another hour, he ingested the zolpidem. however, it did not help him sleep. he felt sleepy, and laid down to go to bed, but sleep simply did not come. immediately. instead, he seemed to exist in a halfway point of consciousness in between sleep and wakefulness. his internal monologue became increasingly bizarre and nonsensical, and objects seemed to change as swiBenzene said, they were not true hallucinations, but swim could not make sense of them either. his vision would seem to zoom in and out at certain objects, like a clock on the wall. this persisted for a couple of hours, and swim ended up passing out about 3 hours after the initial ingestion of zolpidem. swim could recall very little of the experience when he awoke, and did not feel well-rested the next day.

swim finds that zaleplon (sonata) usually helps him sleep much more effectively, and without many of the weird side effects that zopiclone can induce.

Benzeneringz

10-09-2006, 01:35

In response to Nicaine- The evening I took the tablet, I actually ended up taking a total of 30 milligrams. This was accomplished with three doses of 10 milligram tablets between 10:45 PM and 2:30 AM. I felt more relaxed after taking the tabs but could not drift to sleep. I ended up staying awake all night that night, all day the next day and all that night. Finally, on the beginning of the third day after dosing I fell asleep after taking 100 milligrams doxylamine succinate. The Ambien probably could of gotten me to fall asleep but I would of needed a higher dosage.

Nicaine

09-10-2006, 07:19

whats it feel like on ambien?
Relaxed and at peace, thought process slows down as if one were hypnotized or in deep meditation. Inhibitions relax (not as much as with alcohol, just enough though). Sleep is available for the taking anytime during much of the high, which is another nice 'perk' of being on Ambien. Just lie down and sweetly drift off.

In most ways, ambien is the diametric opposite of amphetamines.

Nicaine

28-10-2006, 09:29

It's not even a benzo, and isn't supposed to have typical benzo-like properties at sedative-hypnotic doses. Yet after taking 5-15mg, SWIM feels more relaxed and mellow than he does on any other substance on the planet. It's a wonderful feeling, and the sleep that usually follows is just as sweet.

So what is it about Zolpidem, anyway? Usually SWIM goes to bed shortly after taking, but occasionally he'll stay up awhile and enjoy the head-space (no hallucinations or memory problems, just a super relaxed / "taking it easy" type feeling with a thought process that resembles the mind immediately prior to falling asleep). Thought slips into a smooth, mellow and well-oiled groove that's only slightly less than coherent and not at all amnesiac or prone to difficulties of any kind. There's an underlying pleasant, peaceful euphoria and feeling of happiness. All is right with the world.

Zolpidem is definitely SWIM's all-time favorite downer (excluding opiates, which aren't exactly 'downers' anyway). Anyone else appreciate it the way SWIM does?

Nicaine

28-10-2006, 10:11

The Ambien "Down Elevator" (sleep when desired, otherwise stay up and enjoy):

(1) Dose #1: 5mg rectal admin (pill dissolved in water)

(2) Dose #2: 5mg rectal admin (pill dissolved in water)

(3) Doses #3-#4: 10mg rectal admin split into two doses... use divided doses to continue enjoying the inner peace and bliss for awhile, until you must lie down and finally close your eyes and drift off to a gentle sleep.

SWIM's on his last legs... not enough going on here on drugs-forum to keep him awake, so it's dose #4, one final attempt at scaring up some interest and then off to bed.

Riconoen {UGC}

28-10-2006, 20:01

Gah, swim had a bad experience with ambien. made him think the walls were ooozing blood.

Nicaine

06-11-2006, 04:09

Ambien is quite seriously one of SWIM's favorite highs at this point... easily in the top three. The strange thing is it's never given him a single hallucination, delusion, blackout, sleepwalking incident or other negative issue. They feel to him like "inner peace pills" in that he gets a euphoric relaxation along with the complete absence of "have-to's" and "shoulds," i.e. compulsions and inhibitions. This is really sort of what regular benzos are supposed to do, but they don't do it for SWIM.

If he gets totally "wasted" on Ambien he'll fall asleep, but the moments before that happens are really pleasant... it never becomes a dysphoric experience in any way.

Needless to say SWIM is at risk of addiction, although he's not really there yet (20-30mg/day max, more often 10 or 20mg/day). He's built up a slight tolerance, so if he wants to sleep at least 15mg is required, possibly more. What he has to do is really make an effort not to ever take it during the day, (unless he wants to just give up & let himself run out, then stay up multiple days/nights trying to get tired enough to sleep).

Nicaine

14-11-2006, 22:00

SWIM once again jumped through some hoops to procure some Ambien (his insurance will cover another 30 tablets in 5 days, but he wanted some today).

SWIM loves this drug! It's really strange... most people it gives hallucinations, memory problems or at best sleep. SWIM thinks it's purely pleasurable and could do it all day long if he had access (which he doesn't). Brain chemistry sure does differ.

lurkerbot

16-11-2006, 21:24

How long has SWIY been routinely taking ambien?

SWIM got his doctor to take him off ambien a few months ago after having been on it for 9-10 months or so. SWIM has big sleeping problems, but would rather suffer them than take ambien anymore.

Something SWIM noticed while on ambien in that time was that negative side effects got progressively worse over the months. Originally, for the first couple months ambien worked great. But then a problem arose. Instead of knocking him out, 10mgs would cause a euphoric dissasociative effect, similar to that of dxm on the high 2nd plateau but with severely hindering mental capacity that rendered SWIM really stupid. SWIM wouldn't actually fall asleep, instead would sit up all night being temporarily mentally retarded. SWIM had his doctor increase his dosage and 15mgs started knocking him out again.

Tolerance set in again though and 15mgs stopped working every night, some nights he would just end up awake and really high. In these instances SWIM would take another 10mgs. This is when things got real bad though. As the additional pill took effect SWIM's memory would black out but he would still be actively conscious, and very stupid. According to SWIM's friends, usually trying to talk to him online, he would sometimes take 10-20mgs more because he was still awake and lacking common sense/basic intelligence. SWIM would do all kinds of random crap then that would be a total mystery to him the next day if it weren't for friend's reports and written clues in the form of gibberish usually.

SWIM was very disturbed by these bouts of retroactive amnesia and forced himself to a 15mg max regimen. Each night it would either work or he wouldn't sleep. This worked with varied success for a few months, but then SWIM started occasionally having amnesia even with only 15mgs. Once he was in his blacked out state it was business as usual again. Eventually it got to the point where mental blackouts were occuring every single night. So SWIM decided it was time to get off the damn ambien.

Unfortunately for SWIM, after being dependent on ambien for so long, withdrawal caused a couple weeks of even more severely screwed up sleep issues(SWIM was also in benzo withdrawal at the time though).

Back to the question at the start of this post, how long has SWIY been using ambien? SWIM would warn you to be cautious as negative effects seem to appear and get worse the longer ambien is used.

Also, has SWIY ever tried dxm? If it's the dissasociative euphoria SWIY is hooked on, it might actually be a better way to procure the sensation without the amnesia or being rendered unconscious(can't sleep on dex).

Just SWIM thoughts.

Nicaine

16-11-2006, 21:31

How long has SWIY been routinely taking ambien?
Several months.
Something SWIM noticed while on ambien in that time was that negative side effects got progressively worse over the months. Originally, for the first couple months ambien worked great. But then a problem arose. Instead of knocking him out, 10mgs would cause a euphoric dissasociative effect, similar to that of dxm on the high 2nd plateau but with severely hindering mental capacity that rendered SWIM really stupid.
SWIM gets only a pleasant euphoric calmness from Ambien, perhaps a slight relaxing of inhibitions... no dissociation, no hallucinations, no visions, no amnesia, no memory problems, no trouble concentrating. He finds himself "fiending" for the stuff too, although he thinks it's mostly psychological and not connected with any actual physical withdrawals (or if the latter, it's very mild and just involves dysphoria and some anxiety).

It still helps SWIM get to sleep also, but of course not as effectively as it did at first (and takes a higher dosage, which varies as to how much). Note that SWIM doesn't take high doses if he intends on staying up, just 10mg or less for the pleasurable effects.

Back to the question at the start of this post, how long has SWIY been using ambien? SWIM would warn you to be cautious as negative effects seem to appear and get worse the longer ambien is used.
Thanks for the tipoff. It's possible SWIM has some depression connected with overuse of Ambien, although far more likely that's related to stimulant overuse. As SWIM has been into the "polydrug" thing lately, it's hard to tell. He'll definitely keep an eye on his mental state... if Ambien becomes a real problem, it will have to go of course.

Nicaine

17-11-2006, 07:22

SWIM would like to suggest an experimental dosing for those who fail to see the pleasure in Ambien. Try this on an empty stomach:

(1) Dissolve a 10mg tablet completely in 4 parts of water.
(2) Drink 1 part of the Ambien solution.
(3) Wait 30 minutes.
(4) Drink 1 part of the Ambien solution.
(5) Wait 30 minutes.
(6) Drink 1 part of the Ambien solution.
(7) Wait 30 minutes.
(8) Drink the final 1 part of Ambien solution.
(9) Wait 30 minutes.
(10) How's the experience been?

For those who enjoyed it, be careful... dosing like this increases the potential addictiveness of a drug (one reason why cocaine is so addictive, because dosed so frequently).

jdrug

03-12-2006, 11:16

(1) Dose #1: 5mg rectal admin (pill dissolved in water)

(2) Dose #2: 5mg rectal admin (pill dissolved in water)

(3) Doses #3-#4: 10mg rectal admin split into two doses... use divided doses to continue enjoying the inner peace and bliss for awhile, until you must lie down and finally close your eyes and drift off to a gentle sleep.

SWIM's on his last legs... not enough going on here on drugs-forum to keep him awake, so it's dose #4, one final attempt at scaring up some interest and then off to bed.

Any thoughts on how much time should elapse between doses?

Also, how does this route/recipe compare the other suggestio later in this thread [post #8] (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=206077&postcount=8)?

Thanks.

Nicaine

03-12-2006, 14:52

Any thoughts on how much time should elapse between doses?
In order to do what... maintain a certain buzz?

The half life of zolpidem is around 2.5 hours (give or take an hour or two), so if someone wanted to maintain a certain level of effects they would need to re-dose about that often. Taking it more often would add to the effects, less often would result in a diminishment of effects between doses.

DrMuffy

27-12-2006, 12:08

SWIdr has tried and is prescribed ambien, and has to say its effects are very interesting. Zopidem is like a benzo combined with a small dose of ketamine or some sort of hallucenogen (sp?)

Lehendakari

28-12-2006, 00:46

SWIM took 5 mg zolpidem brand stilnox. T+30 minutes wasn't feeling it.

T+45m starts having a foggy head (please note I don't know much about the meaning this adjetives in English). I would say swim is unbalanced, dizzy but nothing more. T+50: takes 2-3 mg more. Right now T+80 min swim reports being mentally impaired but nothing else of note, he is taking the rest of the 10 mg pill and will go to sleep.

BTW swim smoked some mj T-6h and ingested 10mg of ritalin.

Main question: He didn't get ambien, so I guess stilnox is some kind of generic. Are there any differences between the real thing and this?

also, how are your dreams on zolpidem? last night swim got very vivid oniric episodes that kind of freaked him a bit in a good way. That night he took xanax and smoked mj

Is mj and zolpidem contraindicated??

Nicaine

28-12-2006, 01:29

Everyone reacts to sedative/hypnotics differently. SWIM gets euphoria and a relaxed feeling, he finds them recreational. Others get nothing but drowsiness, still others get nasty effects like blackouts and hallucinations.

SWIY will probably have to try combos like MJ & zolpidem to decide for him/herself.

DrMuffy

28-12-2006, 10:48

If SWIY wants to trip on Zopidem next time, use round 10 mg instead (or higher but it tends to cause more amnesia) and have an empty stomach. e warned though, get a trip siter because people tripping on Zopidem can sometimes get out of hand, but most of the time its a peaceful relaxing trip so no worries.

Alicia

13-01-2007, 23:15

swia wish she knew about side effects when the use was discontinued about Zolpidem when she came out of hospice place. she has not been sleeping right since...

Jatelka

16-02-2007, 09:55

Ant other SWIY's have experiences/reports to contribute?

Cuberun

19-02-2007, 00:22

swyi took 3 yesterday after 2e's.. remembe rtrying to send sms on the phone and it was just impissible, kept thinking i t was a basketball game and i hat to hit rihgt shots to score a word.

swiy just took 2 stilnoct 10mg each. 20-25 minutes ago, starting t oget a bit drowsy,, will rpobably mong aroind wfofr half an hour then fall skeep. he also took 4 blue valium ROche 10 (10mg) earlier which didnt effect him, swished down with a 6cl tequila. but theres obviously some sort of teolerance issue goign on there. nothing happened ansoo n illl be slumbering after slight mongouts

swim woke up after 10 hours maybe of sleep feeling relatively normal. no after E effects, althogh swim did ony use 3 e and then 3 30mb zolpidem (3x stilnoct). it was sort of trippy but the tiredness juts ignored all the weird things goign on. swoyd close my eyes and tehred by a movie playing whih swiy had full controll over.

swim thinks its important that when u use ambien you get at least 8 hours of sleep unless swiy wants to wake up grorgggy and unsatisfied.

apologdies but this is written under the flnenceof downers.

EuPhOrIa89

24-02-2007, 07:57

Sorry in advance but Swim didnt know where to put this.....Swim was just prescribed Ambien 5mgs. Is it bad to mix with Norcos?(3) From Swims little knowledge of this drug(ambien) would mixing the 2 be dangerous? Thanks and PEACE!

DrMuffy

19-03-2007, 07:20

Well SWIdr refilled his prescription of Ambien the other day and decided to take a little one night just for the heck of it. He ingested around 15 mgs around 12:00. He was extremly relaxed and somewhat out-of-it by 12:25. He had very little amnesia, but the experience was a little foggy. He felt alot more euphoria than he usually does while on Ambien (Maybe it was because he didn't eat for 8 hours ahead of time ). There was some visual distortions and CEVs noticed, but nothing major ahllucenation wise. Overall this experience was expecially pleasent due to the constant euphoria and relaxation for an hour or so and he could fuction somewhat normally around others.

Sorry in advance but Swim didnt know where to put this.....Swim was just prescribed Ambien 5mgs. Is it bad to mix with Norcos?(3) From Swims little knowledge of this drug(ambien) would mixing the 2 be dangerous? Thanks and PEACE!

Well mixing two CNS depressants is never really a good idea. Of course it will cause a stronger (and more likely better) experience, but it will increase the risk of respritory (sp?) depression and a coma. It would be safer if SWIY took the Ambien with just 1 Norco instead, just to see how he will react. But make sure to always be careful when mixing downers!

ojos_de_brujo

06-04-2007, 00:41

Swim would say she has some experience with Zolpidem. She has used it off and on for over 5 years.

The first time she took 10 mg, she was sitting in front of the tv and got double vision. She considered this fun and passed out soon after becoming aware of this effect.
She used zolpidem like this for a while, with the same effect. To her, sleeping was essential.
After a while it didn't knock her out anymore, she stayed up whole nights on it. Amusing herself, she got very creative and wrote pages and pages of bullshit in her diary. Actually, she still likes what she wrote under influence.
There were a few problems: one, she didn't want to use this drug recreationally in the beginning, but just couldn't sleep on it anymore.
Two: the next day she always feels depressed and doesn't wan to do anything but watch daytime tv.

But still this lab rat really likes the effect of zolpidem. It took away the lack of creativity she experienced from the SSRI's she was taking before.
It' s a nice feeling. A bit like what Swim experiences on Codeine. The difference is the lack of the warm itchy opiate feeling and the hangover the next day (which isn't actually a headache, but a depressed feeling)
Swim preferes codeine, but zolpidem is also nice and less hassle to get for Swim.

Is it addictive? Yes. There have been some case studies reporting anything up to withdrawal seizures.

Swim did crave for this drug when she was really on it for weeks at a time, but this passed quickly, without sleeping problems. It seems, for Swim, to be a drug she takes in abundance when it is available, but when it's not there she doesn't miss it that much.

Swim occasionally uses zolpidem now, but even after more than a year without using it, she could not get knocked out by it.
This thread inspired her to take 10 mg of zolpidem, so she doesn't know if this post will still make sense tomorrow.

Swim is trying to remember what else happened when she was on zolpidem. She did not take it very often during the day, but always took it in the hope of getting to sleep without having to think about any problems. Even if she didn't sleep, it was a very nice feeling.
She would get up out of bed (where she writes and paints, watches tv and listens to music - yes, all a once) and go rearrange the furniture. In the middle of the night this is. Zolpidem seems to make Swim active and creative at the same time. Of course, it's not a speed kind of active. But maybe SWIY's get what Swim means.

Conclusion to this post: Zolpidem is very nice recreationally.
Swim regrets she can not get to sleep on it anymore like one's supposed to. Even after a long period of non-use.

hh339

23-04-2007, 19:53

SWIM took 10 X 10mg pills, he does not remember very much, except screaming something about a rocking boat.

IntrepidTraveler

08-05-2007, 11:29

SWIM has had many pleasant Ambien experiences--he often finds it relaxing to take ambien at the end of a stimulant binge and just relax as he drifts off to sleep.

However, one time SWIM was outrageously drunk and took ambien (very irressponsible thing to do, IMO), and he woke up to find his girlfriend extremely pissed at him. Apparently (thought he does not remember it), he had picked up his girlfriend's 8 week old chihuaha and (accidentally) dropped it on the ground, and then ensued to just pass out on the couch like he didn't even care. Luckily, the puppy was unharmed, and his girlfriend eventually forgave him.

Zack

16-05-2007, 06:18

SWIM has a bad habit of going nuts when he snorts ambien. He recently snorted one with the intention of going to sleep quickly (he had a full stomach and the stuff just doesn't work for him under those conditions...or so he told himself). Well, that turned into snorting three more, drinking a quarter of a bottle of niquil, attempting to start drinking but immediatly vomiting after a single shot of vodka. Durring this time SWIM also cut the tips of his fingers with a razor blade for reasons he can't quite remember and doubts would make sense anyways. SWIM is now out of ambien and has no intention of getting more...it seems to affect him in bad ways.

Dalfir

19-05-2007, 15:11

SWIM has used Zolpidem in its Stilnox form (10mg per tablet, I believe). The first time he used them was on a flight and took 15mg to legitimately get some sleep. This was his very first experience with any type of recreational drug. He was watching South Park episodes on his iPod and got worried when the colours began taking a holographic effect. He felt sick and dizzy and eventually passed out.

After researching the drug, he took some for recreational purposes, 20mg. Sitting at his PC he noticed movement in still images (what seemed to be people lifting their heads up and turning them slightly) and perspective distortions when typing.

There were some abrasive visuals, jarring clashing of patterns and more movement in movie posters along his wall (this was in a darkened room.)

He heard that there are definite withdrawal symptpoms with suddenly stopping a high dose rather than using it as a course (20mg, than 10mg than 5mg) to cure insomnia. For the next week he was suffering from stomach cramps and sweats in the middle of the night.

tayo

07-06-2007, 02:37

8x 15mg ambien, with two beers.... dont remember much walking around but eventually SWIM came back after a while to a bed and just found spindley vision, like moving spider webs. not fun really.

jewels480

05-07-2007, 22:00

Very true, whoever is comparing codiene to ambien is comparing apples to oranges. Codiende is an opiate smslgesic,painkiller, similer to percocet, vicodin, etc... Ambien is a hypnotic sprcifically prescribed for sleep. Doesn't even work in the same part of the brain.

Lehendakari

12-07-2007, 13:39

8x 15mg ambien, with two beers.... dont remember much walking around but eventually SWIM came back after a while to a bed and just found spindley vision, like moving spider webs. not fun really.

That is a fucking insane dose!! Did SWIY have tolerance? SWIM finds 20 mg to be too much and not fun, however 10 mg on emty stomach is relaxing and euphoric with some small visual distorsions.

If swim took 120 mg he'd sure be dead (although swim heard OD on zolpidem is actually very hard)

Zolpidem has a fun dose. Over the fun dose there's only zombie-like states and/or unconciusness if you're lucky, if you're not you can end up driving naked and crashing your car on a dangerous highway. Caution with your guinea pigs taking ambien!!

jewels480

12-07-2007, 19:40

As far as Ambien, SWIM was given a script for 1 10mg tab before sleep, and instead took 2. This was bwfore SWIM had ever used a cns depressant besides alcohol, and it seemed like 10 seconds and SWIM was out like a light, no memory. Now, SWIM is more experienced, and found that toleramce is built up quickly...1st time use be careful. It seems people react differently than others, regardless. SWIK could'nt take 10 mg's without losing mmemory, while another could take more all the time and barely had an effect. This drug can be very alusive. SWIM advises try first alone at prescribrd dose before taking any farther, as it only taked about 20 minutes to star working. It is extremely fast acting, although they have the xr out now. As a whole, Swim likes to have some evry once in a while so as not to grow tolerence...SWIM can use benzos or something for sleep, even Benedryl, or the off brand which you can find at any grocery or drugstore. As long as the ingredient is Diphenhydramine hcl 25mg/pill. Tylenol PM is the same thing as Benedryl, only mixed with Tylenol, or acetominophin. This is true for any pain sleep pill over the counter. All they add to help sleep is Benadryl. AKA Diphynhydramine. Save some money and buy the ingredient you need. Take a seperate asprin if you are in mild pain instead.

angela20377

16-07-2007, 05:45

this swim was perscribed 10mg ambien for sleep (obviously). swim lived in a dorm in brooklyn ny and would take it for sleep but many times she had to get up to walk to the bathroom and often times didnt make it back to her room from the bathroom at the end of the hall. the final straw for swim was one night she took it and decided it would be a good idea to walk to manhattan apparantly. luckily a friend went with her to inform her the next day was she had done, and although no damage was done, swim decided that she needed to switch sleep medications.

jewels480

16-07-2007, 17:10

SWIM cannot take any meds in this type of meds,lunesta, ambien, b/c of the memory loss. Could be why they are called "hypnotics" according to The Pill Book.

hoodabudda

25-07-2007, 23:25

soma

26-07-2007, 16:23

Swim has two stories about zolpidem, one funny, and one humbling.

Once upon a time, SWIM took 20mg Ambien (zolpidem) and attempted to get some sleep. Swim then blacks out. He remembers thinking "Shit! I forgot to take my meds, thats why I can't sleep". Then he remembers fumbling about with the pill container on the counter. He spilled the pills and thought that if he didn't take them that they would be ruined (Swim was gone, FYI).

Swim then wakes up in another room surrounded in vomit. He thinks this is odd and goes back to sleep. Then swim wakes up in another room, with a broken lamp next to him, and a piece of glass stabbed in his arm. He looks at it, and goes back to sleep.

Swim then wakes up in the ER, having severe tachycardia (rapid heart rate), and once slipping into ventricular tachycardia (basically, you die in two minutes). He was IVed various cardiac meds, and forced to drink activated charcoal. Turns out that in SWIM's fucked up state, he ate the ENTIRE BOTTLE of pills. SWIM had no intention of doing this, was not suicidal, etc.

Story 2:
Once SWIM took 12.5 mg of Ambien CR (zolpidem controlled release), and went off to take his bedtime shower. He doesn't remember much, and he soon went to bed. Upon waking, SWIM noticed his belt on the floor. It had been utterly violated by Q-Tips. In his intoxicated state, he placed a Q-Tip in every notch in the belt. Swim doesn't know why he did this, but for now, SWIM is staying away from Ambien.

SWIM's friends have had similar experiences (i.e. thinking SWIM was Jafar from Alladin) so please be cautious with Zolpidem. SWIU may feel like your not high and take more.. but trust SWIM when he says, you really are inebriated. Be Cautious fellow Swimmers!

LexaproHo

31-07-2007, 07:59

Every 3 weeks swim gets prescribed a packet of 21 Stilnox XR tabs which contains zolpidem tartrate 12.5mg each. Swim never remembers what happens on Stilnox and a packet only lasts him a week or so as swim takes more tablets during the evening and he is not aware he does this until the next morning when he discovers he is missing tablets. Swim loves the effects of zolpidem as it makes him feel very relaxed and happy although swim is glad he only gets a packet of it every other week.

The last time swim took Stilnox this is what happened as relayed to him the next morning by his housemate, the evidence was there so the housemate didn't lie to swim!

Swim started the night by taking one tablet as normal and crushing another and insufflating it in 4 lines over 15 minutes. Swim feels blissfully calm when the swallowed pill kicks in...which only takes 10 minutes for him. He remembers laying back to watch the simpsons and then waking up the next morning. However...

After the lines were insufflated in secret, swim went to watch The Simpsons as mentioned earlier. Swim began staggering around and appeared very drunk and laughs at everything and continually says that he feels perfectly normal although it is apparent he is very intoxicated. He kept repeating himself over and over and to his housemates surprise swim kept disappearing to his room for 5 or so minutes and then coming back, each time offering to make coffee. Swim kept spilling his coffee on the floor and also kept falling over, thinking it was absolutely hilarious. While watching the TV he was swearing and abusing the people he dislikes on Big Brother which surprises his housemate because swim never acts like this and is normally very civilized. Swim took a coffee up to the bedroom while laughing loudly all the way there so his housemate investigates and to swims housemates surprise there is coffee ALL over the walls and I mean from the start to the end of the hall from the floor to the roof...it looked as if swim had deliberately flung coffee everywhere, which for some reason, he had. Swim then resisted his housemates advice by telling him to f**k off and went for a midning stroll to the supermarket to shoplift some 2 minute noodles. Now swim does NOT shoplift and swim also had money so this mystifies swim still! Swim was gone for 45 minutes...the supermarket is a 5 minute walk so they are both unsure of where swim went. Swim gets home and goes to his room and watched a dvd for an hour and then to his housemates relief, goes to sleep.

The next morning: Swim gets up with the usual zolpidem chemical hangover, discovers he has taken a total of 12 Stilnox tablets, which equals 150 mgs. Swim gets very scared when he realises this as he has never taken more than 5 in any one night. Nonetheless, swim has a hallway to clean and apologies to make. Luckily swims housemate knows what Stilnox does to swim.

Zolpidem, with it's strong anterograde amnesia effects can be very dangerous, especially if taken when alone. Swim will now have his housemate hold onto his Stilnox and give him a maximum of 2 each night swim requests it to prevent swim from taking 'involuntary' overdoses anymore.

Psych0naut

10-08-2007, 00:14

I was once prescribed a mere 10x10mg Stilnoct because of insomnia, caused by my at that time prescribed methylphenidate. I was adviced by my doctor to take one just before going to bed, and take one every night for 10 days, which he did the first days.
But after several days the hypnotic effects felt like they wore off, so at one night I took two. Even from such a small dose, I started acting weird against my mother, saying how spaced out I was and all. Fortunately she didn't mind much, but I felt quit embarrassed after that event.

jewels480

11-08-2007, 00:37

hoodabudda

11-08-2007, 03:37

yes, as i am reading, it seems that no matter what type of hypnotic i.e. ambien-zolpidem, lunesta, etc... people seem to remember nothing after taking it, and the difference between a dose that just calms a person to one that knocks one out is very small. It looks like this can happen when taking just a mg or 2 more than usual. It also seems , though, that one does obtain tolerance farely quickly and there is an uncomfortable chemical-like hang-over that has horrible side effects like taste...the hangover and chemical taste are mostly associated with lunesta. swim loves ambien and has had no side effects from it. he can remember his trip up to the 30mg mark,but if he has an empty stomache 20mg will do him in for 2-3 hours.

icantthinkofanything

05-02-2008, 01:22

Shit, SWIM was hooked bad on Ambien a year ago. SWIM had a rx for it, and he found that taken orally, taking it did nothing more than make him sleep. He would always fall asleep or forget his experience when he took it by mouth. Despite the horrible burn, and probably potentional danger to his nose, SWIM crushed and snorted his Ambien pill. This produced instant visual distortions and a mild head trip. He only rarely snorted more than one pill and he never developed a tolerance for it. After two months he decided enough was enough and stopped taking it. However when he did he had *very* strong cravings for the drug, even worse insomnia, nasty headaches and more. He hasn't touched it since, but he would say it is not harmless in long term use, especially insufflation.

kryptik

06-02-2008, 17:33

swim was prescribed this also cuz swim can't sleep either... insomnia... anywho, swim's starting dose orig was 5mg, then was upped to 10mg... but only had it for 2 weeks, and docs thought swims insomnia was cured, but it wasn't. swim was then switched to all diff types of meds, mostly muscle relaxers.. like elavil... which didn't help. zoloft did, but eventually swim is back to Ambien, 5 mg dose... 5 mg dose don't work, so swim upped to 10 mg... when 10 mg stops working, swim will up to 15mg, but swim doesn't abuse this med cuz it's known to be habit forming... swim used to be addicted to it a long time ago, but now no longer abuses it..

it is for intended use for swim, not rec or abuse... swim can't imagine anyone taking more then 20mg on it...

10 mg knocks swim right out.

as for feelings on ambien, it puts swim to sleep. swim advises not to use this for recreational feelings. it's really just for ppl w/ sleep probs, nothing more really.

as for something similar... swiy might want to invest in Cramp Bark. This is herb mostly for females, to help alleviate pain in menstruation... but it can be used as a pain killer... Cramp Bark is meant to be used for intended use also, and sparingly since swim is told it's stronger then some prescribed drugs. store swim buys it from said it was stronger then tylenol pm's, sominex, and ambien!!! swim bought it but never tried it.

the store told swim that if taken in high doses (for rec use), it will make you sleep for like 3 days, and feelings are similar to opium. as for if a UA can detect it, no it can't.

Cramp Bark is cheap, just google it. Don't smoke it, cuase swiy's have to make it as a tea in order to take it.

Steva

11-02-2008, 13:07

Swim loves ambien.It's hard to find the good stuff in the US(mostly generic now) but the Stilnox is probably quite good. Swim feels euphoric for 3 hours like smoking
cannabis. Good psychedelics. 20 mg seems about right.
I'd rather drink a few beers for sleep than waste the ambien.
Swim prefers Lunesta aka zopiclone for sleep since no visuals or euphoria.

highganja99

24-02-2008, 02:55

SWIM took 5x10mg Ambiens once he took his normal 10mg dose then later he took another as he had forgot he had taken one already, this happens another 2 times then he feels a bit strange, he is talking to a friend on skype but doesn't remeber calling him beforehand. we chatted a bit and he said SWIM sounded drunk because he kept slurring his words, then the ambien kicks in strong !!! SWIM starts telling him bout SWIM taking 5 sleeping pills by accident, he puts me on loudspeaker at his computer, SWIM Shouts to the audience on the other end "I've got two big bottles of methadone, Botttles of methandone, Bottles of methadone" then as there are more ppl listening including SWIMs mates mum SWIM says "I have just took 5 sleeping pills and i feel a bit funny and tired" SWIMS mates Mum replied "ah dont worry i mess up my husbands medication sometimes and he gets like this, just go to bed and you'll be fine. then SWIM had a long convo including joking about this tv show then he asked me to say bacardi and coke for his mum but when SWIM said it he said Bacardi and Cucumber and about three people in SWIMS mates house were all laughing now and his mum finally told me to go to bed now, a few minuites later after talking to SWIM's mate SWIM ended tho phonecall. then proceeded to crush up and snort another ambien. SWIM was gunna sleep soon and thought it best to go lie in bed. the next day SWIM talked to his mate about the phonecall and stuff and he said everyone at his house thought it was really funny, as the longer SWIM had talked the more funnier things SWIM was saying and the more slurred SWIMS speech was.they decided to stop the call when they thought it would be a good time for SWIM to start sleeping.

Expat98

02-04-2008, 14:11

SWIM said he has had a strip of Stillnox (zolpidem) pills for a while now, which he thought (wrongly) was equivalent to Lunesta. He knows from experience that Lunesta does nothing more than what it's advertised to do, i.e., make you sleepy, so he was keeping these pills for purely utilitarian purposes. SWIM's sleep schedule has been off, and he wanted to get it back on track last night, so he took one of the Stillnox.

Within a few minutes things started to get strange. First his limbs started feeling heavy. He was sitting at the computer, and the windows took on sort of a 3-dimensional look. He was alone, but he began to feel like there were other people in the room and activity going on around him. He heard people talking - didn't hear anything in particular that was said, it just sounded like indistinguishable crowd noise. He also had the perception that wind was blowing and curtains were fluttering around him. (He didn't have any visuals of fluttering curtains, just somehow had the perception that they were.) It was also difficult for him to concentrate on what he was reading on the computer, and he kept getting confused.

These effects lasted for 10-15 minutes and then SWIM got up to check the label of the tablets...zolpidem. It turns out he had this confused with zopiclone (Lunesta). Zolpidem is actually what's in Ambien, which he had heard could cause some interesting side effects. He'd taken Ambien before a few times, but it just put him to sleep - nothing like the above effects occurred.

Anyway, he thought that was pretty cool. The above occurred from one 10mg pill. He tried taking a couple more (total of 30mg) and then watched tv for a while, but nothing else happened, so he just went to sleep about an hour later. He said he did have very vivid and long-lasting dreams though - about a talking dog, among other things.

SWIM said he's going to read up on zolpidem now and see if there's a trick to getting the interesting side effects to happen.

kryptik

02-04-2008, 19:42

swim has been taking ambien for her insomnia lately. usually swim takes a 10mg dose, but depending on what time it is at night, so swim won't be like a drunk the next morning, swim has been upping and decreasing her dose every now and then (never goes above 10mg though).

swim's been trippin only when she takes less then a 10 mg dose for some reason... like when she takes a 2 1/2 mg -7mg dose... swim doesn't recall much, swim can't remember if she had visuals or audios, but swim knows she felt forgetful alot... she couldn't remember if she had done something or not, and when she'd try to remember, she'd conk out.. and process repeats itself... so it def does something to memory... like swim said, swim really can't recall much, but the trip happened when swim was trying to stay awake on it and couldn't.

and this at a low dose... as for the swiy that took 50mg!!!! Good fucking God!!! swim is surprised swiy is still alive.

oh btw, Cramp Bark, swim is told will make swiys piss hot, depending on how much swiys take.. there is an opiate in it.

chronman

10-05-2008, 10:57

swim took 4 10mg pills maybe an hour ago over time. swim feels something. lol. it feels like swims a lot heavier and he has trouble keeping balance. beyond drunk walk. is this what its like, or is there more with higher dose..

swim was also wondering what the typical amount taken should be. from what swims read most people do 20mg. swim weighs 220lbs so any suggestions on how much i should take?

AquafinaOrbit

10-05-2008, 15:57

Zoplidem effects can range from slurring speech, falling into things, all the way to full hallucinations. Much depends on the person and how their body reacts, though SWIM at a size of 130 tells me 30MG gave him visuals. Really it does not even require a high dosage though, there are reports of commonen users of Zoplidem who start to hear voices in their head or see strange things as they are trying to sleep at 10MG.

JJx23

10-05-2008, 18:52

SWIM took Ambien last night, and it hit SWIM very quickly. SWIM felt like his head was heavy, and when he walked it was tough. SWIM also said there were things moving in the dark, not necessarily a bad thing though.

Regards.

chronman

11-05-2008, 17:48

AquafinaOrbit

13-05-2008, 00:11

wooow, so swim didnt even remember making this post, lol. swim ended up taking 60mgs of ambien that night. swim threw up, fell over about 3 times and cant remember what happened from 3am-6am. but other then that, it was a pretty cool feeling, lol. no hallucinations really.. well there might have been, hard to say.. everything fealt like a dream, and sleep was amazing.

Tell SWIY to be careful on the stuff. I have heard stories at the local hospital of people waking up in other states, waking up in rivers, one guy even woke up in a tree and fell out from the shock. It's one drug that people seem to have no control at all on how they act if they start to sleep walk on it. (SWIM even busted his head once when on it, for some reason he was trying to walk around outside and slipped bashing his head into a rock.)

Saybin

14-05-2008, 19:19

SWIM took roughly 25 mg's last around 1130 PM. at He doesnt remember anything from 12 to 130 until being bitched at by his girlfriend for being so out of it which woke SWIM up a little. At the time SWIM was having a video chat with his girl of IM and also had 4 other IM's going. There was no coherent conversations going but as SWIM started to come back all IM's were merging into one from four corners. Even tho the IM's were all under one tab it seemd as if they had made a box and in each corner was a different IM. See what SWIM means? And they were all flowing into one middle conversation. He couldn't understand it for the life of him. Also it seemed like all the other IM's were trying to force there way into the video session with SWIM's girl. Pretty strange stuff in SWIM's opinion.

Panthers007

14-05-2008, 22:24

Also be aware that Ambien can rebound back the next morning: You wake up. Have breakfast. Get in your car. Drive towards work - and go back to sleep. While driving. CRASH!!

JJx23

14-05-2008, 23:44

Yeah, I experienced that. Not the crashing of the car, but the rebound effects of Ambien. For some reason, the day after, my eyes were so heavy that I literally couldn't stay up. I mean, that's what sucks about the drug, but it does allow you to sleep well.

Regards.

Also be aware that Ambien can rebound back the next morning: You wake up. Have breakfast. Get in your car. Drive towards work - and go back to sleep. While driving. CRASH!!

AquafinaOrbit

15-05-2008, 23:25

Also be aware that Ambien can rebound back the next morning: You wake up. Have breakfast. Get in your car. Drive towards work - and go back to sleep. While driving. CRASH!!

Happened to me once, felt fine then all of the sudden I was driving and blacked out. Next thing I knew I heard a loud bang and noticed I went off the road and had the side of my car smash into a tree.

Expat98

20-05-2008, 00:23

Just got an email from SWIM on his continuing adventures with zolpidem. I previously posted an earlier zolpidem report related to me by SWIM here (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=393495#post393495).

Everything from this point on is in SWIM's own words, not mine.

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Since my discovery that the sleeping aid I had in my possession was actually zolpidem (which has some recreational value) and not zopiclone (which has none) as I previously thought, I have taken it a few more times, mostly as a sleep aid, but a couple of times as a recreational experiment. Based on my experiences so far I'd have to say that it's not all that great and isn't one of my preferred drugs by any stretch of the imagination. Nevertheless, it is what it is, and I offer the following report.

First are the actual notes that I wrote during my latest experiment. I will follow this up with some additional comments about what this experience was like and some generalizations. Note that I began with 15mg but quickly followed up with another 10mg pill...and then another...and another. I think I ended up taking 50mg in total, but I didn't keep track of the times. (All the pills were taken within the first hour or so though.) I have noticed the urge to take more and more on a previous occasion. I remember being aware of what I was doing as I took the additional pills. From what I have seen so far, the effects of taking more have not been worth it. Anything interesting seems to happen near the beginning, and as I go further into it I just start getting sleepy.

Typos have been corrected, and there were many of them since I was feeling very uncoordinated as it started to take hold. I was sitting in front of my computer the whole time during this experience.

T=0, 1:05am, 15mg of Stillnox (zolpidem)

T=0:19
become more aware of floaters in my vision / consciousness becoming altered / slight anxiety

T=0:27
anxiety gone

T=0:38
there is a 3D effect on my computer screen, with lines of text warping/curving as if they are written on spheres, and blocks of text shifting around on the page

I feel as if my attention is closed in, and I am only paying attention to what is right in front of me and what I am looking at. Coordination is reduced - it's hard to type.

T=0:43
I feel like my whole body is wrapped semi-tightly in a cotton sheet.

The 3D and warping visual effects on the computer screen are very strong. Different words appear as if they are at different heights on an axis perpendicular to the screen, and they are constantly moving back and forth, toward me and then away from me. Text is also warping and shifting around laterally within the plane of the screen.

T=0:46
I feel kind of floaty as I walk. I like it.

When I read the text on the screen it is like each person is reading aloud his text, and they are all there just having a conversation.

T=1:00
I felt someone beside me.The experience went on from here, but I stopped taking notes. I want to comment further on those last two notes because they are the most interesting effects, and I seem to feel these consistently on zolpidem. Although I've been alone on all the occasions that I've taken it, there is always the feeling that there are other people around as the experience kicks in. It's not a hallucination, i.e., I am aware that no one else is actually there. But there is just a general sense of being in a crowd of people, with movement taking place around me.

There's also a sensation of crowd noise, as if there are people talking all around me, but I'm not really tuned into what they're saying. Instead, I'm just focusing on whatever I'm reading on the computer screen. (All of the effects described in this report - e.g., the warping visuals, the crowd sensation, and the "closing in" sensation - seem to occur at their strongest when I'm at the computer.)

So I guess that's about it. One thing that I have not yet tried is taking a large initial dose. The largest I have done so far is 15mg and then followed that up with additional pills. As noted above, the "interesting" effects seem to happen near the beginning - I hypothesize that taking a higher initial dose would increase the effects much more than if the same dose were spread out over a period of even just a few minutes.

But I'm not really keen on trying a high initial dose. First of all, there is no feeling of real euphoria with zolpidem - the interest basically lies in the sheer novelty of it, i.e., just the altered consciousness. And I certainly wouldn't say that I've gotten anything of value out of the experiences, nor do I really see any potential to do so. Also, I think this is just kind of a weird drug. I have no clue how it works, and it makes me feel a little strange after I take it - sometimes for more than one day. I'd be wary of taking a high(er) dose, and the next time I get a sleep aid, I would prefer a benzo instead of getting more zolpidem.

Swift Serenity

14-06-2008, 19:31

This is SWIM not me.. he emailed me this

T= :0 20mg taken orally (ambien)

T= :20 Feels very floaty, computer screen starts moving

T= :30 Feels like I am not on the ground anymore. feels like poles are in my legs and arms and hard to walk. goes back on the computer and everything is 3-D.. this picturehttp://wesleyspengler.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/tri-state-cover.jpg is spinning around and the music is amazing, even though i dont even know how my itunes opened up..

T= :50 Everything on the computer is coming out, and i still feel like im flying. texting people to influence them to try it, and how im going to bring it over there house. I keep putting my phone to my ear calling the same person, and some reason it makes my trip better.. pink people are running on my arms, it feels like im in my own world. very cool, also now blue people running everywhere raving.. its like im in alice and wonderland, so awesome

T=60 decide to take a shower, which felt amazing. same effects still present.

T=80 very relaxed and decides to go to sleep.. when i went into the bed it felt like i was sinking, fell right asleep.. best sleep i have had in a while. i am sure i will do this again

ThusSpokeZarathustra

28-07-2008, 23:23

SWIM and a friend of swim took 3 either 12.5 mg Ambien or 10 mg Ambien the morning after an intense acid trip. After SWIM and his friend took 3 of these each, they decided to snort one, and when that was too harsh on our noses we put it in a bowl with some weed, and smoked it outside.

about 20 minutes later SWIM and his friend were sitting on the sidewalk outside so COMPLETELY fucked out of their mind, they weren't making any comprehensable sense whatsoever. It seemed as if the peak of their acid trip had come back in full effect and sent them in a completely different direction. SWIM though the flowers were talking to him, and was moving verrryyyy slowly, and walking in circles looking for things that weren't there. Complete distortion of reality. SWIM's friend was not speaking, and it seemed as if he couldn't understand anything SWIM was saying and was only very mildly responsive to anything SWIM was saying.

5 minutes after coming inside, swim walked into the bathroom, and projectily vomitted all over the toilet seat and carpet around it, 3 times. Swim stumbled into the bedroom and passed out next to swim's friend who had puked all over the bed spread and was mumbling, and got up and stumbled against the walls, falling over, and continued to go in the bathroom and puked all over the place in the same spot swim did.

The next morning swim and his friend and NO recollection other than what was reported here, and were completely surprised and disgusted by all the vomit in the bathroom.

BE CAREFUL!!! DO NOT TAKE THIS MUCH!!!

tryptamaster

28-07-2008, 23:28

Swim took ambien in an attempt to sleep after an adderall filled day. Swim quickly realized that he would not sleep and things were gonna get weird. Basically, his vision was blurry and he was very off balance. Kinda like he was drunk and things were expanding and contracting quickly.

ECU7

29-07-2008, 12:34

SWiM has a prescription for Ambien. He tells me that he has had some pretty crazy experiences (such as dumping the contents of the kitchen cupboard out on the floor, falling down the stairs, etc) after taking just a normal (10mg) dose. These events happened after he got out of bed to go get a drink, etc. The events were generally not remembered by SWiM the next day...

He says the feeling overall similar to being intoxicated only without any type of hangover. He tells me that, at times, he took 20mg without much of a change in how he felt (compared to when he took just the 10mg.) He did find it extremely difficult to stay awake after the second 10mg tablet.

SWiM wants me to warn everyone (sure y'all already know this, but...) that it isn't a good idea to drive, or for that matter even get out of bed after taking Ambien. He found this out by experience.

Anyhow, he says he loves the Ambien and will continue to take it, as prescribed.

Monaco2000

03-08-2008, 09:11

My Marmoset potentiates zolpidem (10 mg) with .25 mg alprazolam, plus two 10 mg bioperine tablets, all washed down with 6 oz. grapefruit juice. Adding a couple ibuprofen or naprosin will help ameliorate any "depression"-type hangover.

Panthers007

03-08-2008, 09:34

Be careful with both ibuprofen and, especially, Naprosin. Both of these can wreak havoc on the stomach - leading to ulcers and other unwanted medical problems. Best taken on a stomach with food and/or milk.

Monaco2000: You need to read the rules here before posting again. Pay special attention to the rules regarding self-incrimination. As a newbie, you can't yet edit - so I've summoned a moderator to help you.

The rules are here:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/announcement.php?f=184&a=1

Thanks for the report.

Monaco2000

04-08-2008, 18:31

I have had nearly fifty years experience with drugs both licit and illicit. The most dangerous drugs by far are the downers because of the potentiating effect. Heath Ledger, in a desperate attempt to find sleep, combined oxycodone, hydrocodone, alprazolam, temazopam and doxylamine. He obviously got himself woozy and then decided to take more to get to sleep. Tragic. NSAIDS are tough on the stomach and must be taken with food. Zolpidem is by no means a totally safe drug and it too can kill if taken in sufficient quantity. Anyone who combines benzodiazepines and some of the "new safe, non-habit-forming" drugs like Ambien, better take very small amounts and then only if necessary. Any sleep-inducing drug will rob the body of its ability to find normal sleep. Getting off Ambien can be tough and take months. I submitted a post only because I feel one can combine very small doses of two different "downers" for purposes of economics. My physician knows of what I do.

Badgerman73

04-08-2008, 19:32

Given a script for this for sleeping. Works really well and you get this interesting drunk like feeling if you go longer than 30mn with it being awake (against what the med say to do).

I found it gave me mild bits of amnesia. Kept losing my keys and such. Not fun.

spiderschwein

25-08-2008, 19:59

The first times my pig took 10mg and the feeling was similar to smoking weed. It told me that it was euphoric and very interested in all colours and noises. For example there where shadows on the wall which looked like people walking trough the room. Sometimes it looked like lightening in the room, which was really weird.
Another thing which my pig told me was that it was very creative and wanted to paint or writing when the first effect was over. The next day it could'nt remember anything, but this wasn't bad at all, because the things it remembered were worth to try again and again. :laugh:
After a while my pig decided to take a higher dose of Zolpidem, because the effect wasn't the same as at the beginning. So it took doses about 30-50mg. This was really freaky because my pig 'travelled trough other worlds' but can't remember much of this.
Another weird experience was a combination of Zolpidem and DXM. It had a similar effect as DXM alone in high doses but much more relaxed. There were really weird thoughts about everything and a lot of visuals and audios although my pig just took 20 mg Zolpidem and about 200 mg DXM. :thumbsup:
All in all my pig is very fascinated of Zolpidem and wouldn't like to miss it. But it also says that there is a fast addiction and you have to raise the dose. Another danger is that there can be irrational acts and at the next day you often can't remember anything.
But this is just the gained experience of my pig, maybe other people have different effects.

bryanbabylon

27-08-2008, 12:51

I am prescribed ambien cr because I have sleep problems. It works excellantly for sleep. When I have stayed awake on it, or taken over my prescribed dose, I have found:
I am rather delerious and stupid,
I have memory gaps,
Food tastes terrible,
I have double vision,
and I am more fucked up in retrospect than I realize at the time.

All in all I think ambien is a really lame high, and not worth my time when there are lots of better drugs out there.

Oh yeah: ambien + alcohol = almost guaranteed blackout / missing time.

humdroid

02-09-2008, 21:10

SWIM has noticed (in doses of 10-15mgs) that if SWIM dosen't sleep in that time, after about three hours, nausea sets in real bad.

SWIM uses them to sleep, but if SWIM cannot sleep immediately, SWIM feels mellow and chilled out in bed.

There is also weird munchy stuff going on, so SWIM would avoid hunger or have snack to hand.

DLNatas

29-09-2008, 20:03

Swim decided to try useing his Ambien for more than just sleep tonight. swim knows that he once took one and when to bed.(10mg). and his wife came in about 30mins and they started making out , swims remebers this, but nothing else, just some messedup dreams, well, asking his wife the next day, she told him that they had sex, and swim went down on her for about an hour, and then got on top and went to town, for about 2 hours, then before swim finished himself, decied he wanted a cig out of nowhere, and got up, gave her a kiss and got dressed to go smoke, well, she said that i did get dress and headed down the 1st step, they swim told her to come here, she did, swim said watch and jumped down the flight of steps landing on his head and back against the door, looking at her swim said told ya i could make it in on jump, laughted and got back up and went outside smoked climbed back up stairs and went to bed. swim doesn't remeber any of it, just messed up things that seems like a dream, with bits and pieces of it. turns out everything swim dreamt was what happened.
well now swims at it again, this time, 10mg powderized and snorted. no burning, just nasty drip. that was about 10mins ago, smoked a cig, feeling it kicking in, so swim decied to write this as the fun gos on, so far swim just feel drunk kinda, yeah, swim just checked, drunk feeling, bright lights are really bright, mainly the montor, ((also had to go put swim in it's right places, don't want to get introuble, people thinking it's really me)). ok swim is going to snort 1 more 10mg tab. will finish when i get back after smoking a cig also.(gives time to kick in). Time at this break 4:02. :hoover: :smoker: back at 4:26, evertyings is messedup. swim trying
do anything including this is hard as hell. Good visrals changes, like my cig but looked like it was moving, swims typing skill if fucked.
info so far on how swim feels: light headed, kina numbing,mind keeps telling swim he need more, or i need to go to sleep, not goign to happen foa a bit, swim feels really fuzzy(exp rubing hads thoughh siwms hair. Stuff on the screen keeps moving, also noticed that swim keeps a cig. kinda old, i just had one)..but my eyes keep randomly changes kind cool(hated a hell to type) also music is real nice.
time is 4:39am ok, going to smoke again, and it's: 4:56am brb
5:00 total fucked up is swim, deciding to go to bed before i can't make it ther

will put more in the morning

DLNatas added 542 Minutes and 35 Seconds later...

ok, over slept this morning, got like an hour to get to work, but swim don't remeber much of last night. swim says he has a hangover, and still tired, like he didn't sleep well. Later.

wespawloski

11-10-2008, 13:27

SWIM has had a couple memorable experiences. His parents informed him the next morning he had walked out of his room, slurring his words, saying random things, hiccuping like a drunk. He ended up ingesting some 5-HTP and coincidentally found vomit in the sink the next morning. He also took his pipe case out to his car in an attempt to hide it, and he found his pill bottle overturned about about 7-8 pills missing. His piss was super brown and somewhat scared him :/

SWIM also took an amphetamine way too late when he was at his friend's dorm room. He took 40 mgs, decided he needed to take a walk around the campus (at 1am), encountered a small band of drunk college kids, and found himself in one of their buddy's rooms at 2. Walking back poor SWIM found himself to be locked out of the dorm and had to wait for some random person to walk by who had a key :/ but only after wandering around trying to find the back entrance he propped up earlier and ultimately breaking into a science classroom and a lecture hall.

SWIM would highly recommend ambien to anyone even if you intend to get fucked up, in the end you get the best fucking sleep ever :p Its not hard to fight the desire for more but sometimes it just looks too tasty.

JarvyJarvison

07-11-2008, 05:11

SWIM's had some odd experiences with Ambien (zolpidem). When SWIM was a teenager (maybe 14 years old) he was looking to get high and he went scrounging through his mother's medicine cabinet. All he could find was Ambien. SWIM had a rudimentary knowledge of pharmacology at that time and knew that Ambien was related to benzodiazapines so he figured maybe he could get high off them. He went online and looked up the abuse potential of Ambien. He found a site which compared 40mg Ambien to 10mg diazepam. "Not a bad deal" SWIM thought to himself and went the medicine cabinet and snitched 16 of the little halves his mother had in the bottle (16x2.5=40mg). SWIM ate those little bitches and then took a few more for good measure. Expecting no more than a calm euphoria, SWIM was shocked when the pills hit him. He remembers feeling like a robot as he walked around and hearing weird auditory hallucinations. Then he started to throw up really bad and he figured he'd fucked up big time and had probably OD'd and was going to die. He robowalked over to his big comfy chair and sat down and had some strange hallucinations, most of which he can't remember. One was of a dog running around his living room barking. SWIM then proceeded to pass the fuck out (pure black dead sleep). The next thing SWIM remembers is waking up the next day surprised to be alive and feeling better than ever.

SWIM's lifelong friend discovered this little drug in his mom's medicine cabinet a couple of years later. He can remember him calling SWIM up and laughing hysterically and saying "I'm on a ship man and its rocking back and forth. Whoooooooaaaaaa. hahahahahahaha." He apparently really enjoyed it which i thought was pretty strange. It turns out that his mom actually started abusing the Ambien on a daily basis. She would take that shit and walk around the house babbling incoherent and acting all weird. She abused those pills for a long time (years) and eventually went batshit insane and last SWIM heard she bit some dude's dick off (true story, her own son told SWIM).

Anyway, Ambien's definetly a delierient in high doses. I don't know how in the Hell these sites extrapolate that 40mg = 10mg diazepam. It's complete bullshit. SWIM didn't find the experience enjoyable at all, but apparently some do. If you're gonna abuse this shit, be safe and use a sitter. Also, be mindful that "recreational" doses of this stuff haven't really been tested and may have long-term consequences.

kemikal_nation

28-11-2008, 22:07

SWIM has found a really trippy thing to do on zolpidem. Heres how it went down. SWIM snorted 10mg of zolpidem and decided to go outside and have a smoke while the effects came on. It was about 2am and pitch black outside (lives out in the boonies). He lit the cig and noticed what looked like a snowflake from the strike of the lighter appear. SWIM decided to investigate this further and began to furiously strike the light in front of his face in different spots at high speeds. The craziest visuals he ever experienced then happened. The strikes from the lighter created a blueish purple snowflake that slowly fell to the ground. SWIM striked the lighter about 15 times and the same thing happened again but also seemed to recreate the snowflakes from the previous strikes which fell to the ground behind the newly created ones. What made the affect more realistic is when he moved his head around the eyes stayed fixated on the burn-in image of the snowflakes, making them seem to stay in the same spot when falling to the ground. SWIM decided to do it again but this time try to touch them. When his fingers intersected with the snowflake images they disappeared as if melting on the fingers. SWIM became so engrossed in the experience that when he finally stopped and went back inside the clock said he had been doing this for a solid hour. This snowflaking is by far the most enjoyable thing SWIM has ever done on zolpidem and now does it to kick off a zolpidem trip. If SWIY tries this SWIM would be curious to know if they have a similar experience. Peace.

On a quick side note SWIM has found that if one snorts a very small amount of zolpidem and waits about 5mins there is alot less dripping when snorting the remaining zolpidem. Seems to prep the sinuses and avoids excessive drainage.