How many mgs does SWIY do?

[Tortoise]

Enrico was wondering.... When people on these forums state they've taken a certain amount of codeine how accurate are they? For instance, if Enrico does a CWE starting with 300mg of codeine, he knows that the end product is likely to contain only 75% of the codeine that he started with, ie 225mg (just measure the amount of water you start with and compare it to the amount you end up with following CWE). So, when he reads reports about people taking 300mg of codeine are they really ingesting this much, or is it simply the amount they've started with?

[Nature Boy]

75% isn't an exact figure. Always consider 100% of the possible dose to be safe. 300mg is a fairly large dose. Has SWIY used codeine before and/or have they got a tolerance to opiates. A lower dose, 150mg or so, would be safer for a first-timer.

[Tortoise]

75% isn't an exact figure. Always consider 100% of the possible dose to be safe. 300mg is a fairly large dose. Has SWIY used codeine before and/or have they got a tolerance to opiates. A lower dose, 150mg or so, would be safer for a first-timer.
Yes, Enrico has used codeine many, many times before. He was just curious as to how much he takes relative to others. He believes that there is no way possible that one can get 100% of the codeine out with a CWE.

[Forthesevenlakes]

Yes, Enrico has used codeine many, many times before. He was just curious as to how much he takes relative to others. He believes that there is no way possible that one can get 100% of the codeine out with a CWE.SWIM doesnt think any extraction will have a 100% success rate, and SWIYou are right to believe this as well. The CWE gives a pretty good yield, but SWIM doesn't think that he's gotten above 90% of the original product back when performing it. When one is working with 90 mg codeine, this may not be such a big deal, since subjectively there may not be much difference between 81 and 90 mg codeine, but SWIY is right that when reporting dosages for experiences, 300 and 225 mg is a pretty wide disparity, and can mean the difference between a mellow buzz and becoming uncomfortably high. SWIM usually assumes that with a CWE reported in a thread, that the person started with the higher number, and that their yield was probably 70-80% of this, especially if the person didnt mention performing the CWE a second time on the solid leftovers (which would increase the yield by a bit). So with that knowledge, SWIY should be able to calculate what dosages were actually ingested. Good question too!

[Tortoise]

...especially if the person didnt mention performing the CWE a second time on the solid leftovers (which would increase the yield by a bit)... Enrico's cautious about adding the second yield to the first because it means he is doubling the amount of paracetamol ingested. Typically he extracts it and saves it for another day (there's usually enough there for a lite high, especially if he adds a couple of N+ to it).
Anyway, back to the yield issue. Enrico typically measures the amount of solution he ends up with and compares it to his starting solution. If he sticks to the 2ml per pill rule the final yield is almost always 75% of the initial yield. I one assumes that 100% of the codeine dissolves in the water then he is gonna be left with 75% of the starting codeine.

[cyril_sneer]

Doesn't codeine have a ceiling dosage of 60mg ?

[MrJim]

Per tablet. - Tylenol 4's are 60mg each. The effect ceiling is much higher. And there is only so "high" you could get from it, but it is way about 60mg - And it would vary from individual metabloism to individual metabolism.

[tetrahydrocannabinol]

I've wondered this myself, and sometimes I think swim wastes a lot more than others.

Once swim did 45mg and felt an incredible buzz for that amount
Then a couple days later swim did 80mg and felt like less than before

Don't doubt swims low tolerance to drugs btw.

[MrJim]

SWIM is jealous. He wishes he could even get pain relief from 80mg. His doctor has him on 4's these days. And it still takes at least 3-4 to make the back calm down and the mind to relax.

[mickenator]

Swim has been on DF118's that long that they can take them by the bucket and still feel nothing. But swim doesn't think that a great deal is lost doing a CWE.

[Tortoise]

I've wondered this myself, and sometimes I think swim wastes a lot more than others.

Once swim did 45mg and felt an incredible buzz for that amount
Then a couple days later swim did 80mg and felt like less than before

Don't doubt swims low tolerance to drugs btw.
Man.... SWIM wishes he could feel 45mg of codeine, let alone get a buzz off it! Just last week he downed around 300mg and felt a weak and very dissapointing buzz. He just wishes there was some way to reverse the tolerance he's developed from all the codeine and poppy seed tea he has recently consumed.

[Demented Ferret]

Yeah, Swim feels even a slight codeine tolerance can linger around for a while, which is a shame. Swim can barely feel the effects of anything under 150mg on most occasions.

[darkglobe]

SWIM (now he is all squeaky-clean) occasionally uses Codeine. Subsequently, his tolerance has dropped considerably and now starts with 200-300mg of Codeine.

With regards to CWE's, if SWIY is obsessively scientific in his approach, he may be able to extract (at a guess) well above 90%. SWIY just needs to make sure the pills are well dissolved beforehand, and SWIY cools the solution to around 5 celsius, but not too much more than that.

Check out the CWE stuff on the site (there's a few threads, I think I made one a while back) and learn the proper way and you'll get plenty of mg's outta your lovely pills :D

Also, be aware that although my tolerance is low, doses of 200-300mg are still fairly high. In fact, 300mg for a Codeine n00b is quite dangerous.

Be safe. And don't eat acetaminophen/paracetamol. It hurts.

[darkglobe]

Also, with regards to tolerance, the remedy is simple: Stop using Codeine. In fact, totally forget about it for a month or two. Switch to a different drug. Then come back to Codeine, and it will all feel muuuuuch better again :D:D

[Tortoise]

Also, with regards to tolerance, the remedy is simple: Stop using Codeine. In fact, totally forget about it for a month or two. Switch to a different drug. Then come back to Codeine, and it will all feel muuuuuch better again :D:DNo codeine for 2 months??? And I assume by a different drug you mean non-opiate. To be honest, SWIM doesn't think he could do it. He's proud of himself if he can go a whole week without codeine or poppy tea.

Now.... Where did I put that willpower?

[darkglobe]

Yeah Tortoise I meant non-opiate. Sorry, I shoulda said that.

I don't mean to go all preacher on your ass, but I REALLY REALLY REALLY do advise you give the opiates a lengthy break once in a while.

SWIM didn't do this, and as such found himself very dependant on Codeine even just to get a good night's sleep. Just a warning.

Anyhoo... It's the best way to lose your tolerance. Just remember, when your tolerance drops, your dosage must drop as well. Don't end up on the wrong side of the floor.

[Tortoise]

Thanks for your concern bro! SWIM will try to take a month or so off soonish. At present he only uses it once per week plus poppy seed tea once per week or less but is trying to get it down to 1 opiate per week max, ie either codeine or poppy tea, NOT both. Have to say though, his tolerance was OK until he got into the poppy seed tea, then it just sky-rocketed.

[D.U.M.B]

300mg is kinda high or so SWIM tells me

SWIM has done Codeine a few times. Infact SWIM is on it now, no lie. Hence why SWIM is viewing this forum

SWIM has just taken around 160mg a half hour or so ago and it's a nice buzz he tells me.

SWIM has done higher and lower. Low doses are nice to for SWIM but SWIM rarely goes over the 200mg mark. Once though he did to 300mg or so and while intense it was enjoyable but SWIM had use codeine a few times by then so for SWIY's first time do something lower. If SWIY doesn't enjoy the buzz at the dose he chooses don't take more just wait for the next time and try a slightly higher does

[darkglobe]

True. Re-dosing is pointless on a scientific level, but also it's just... I dunno... it's just better to be patient.

It's nice to be able to appreciate low doses, isn't it D.U.M.B.? SWIM likes intense drug experiences, see.

~Dark
PS: Check out my user profile it's not empty anymore

[D.U.M.B]

Yep low doses can be just as fun and rewarding says SWIM

[darkglobe]

It's actually quite enjoyable (when one has very little or no tolerance) to spend time noticing each and every one of the drug's subtle effects at low doses.

For example, when first taking Codeine, one may realise (as soon as the effects start) that the drug makes you drowsy, but not in the same way as other non-opiate drugs.

SWIM always remembers his first Codeine nod. It was relaxing and yet comfortably mild. He repeated the same dose for a total of four times over the next 6 months in order to keep his tolerance down. SWIM gained immense pleasure out of spotting the nuances and variations in the effects felt each time!

SWIM would recommend this to anyone. He thinks SWID.U.M.B knows what he means, and wonders if SWID.U.M.B has ever done anything similar?

SWIM isn't habitually using Codeine atm, and as such is experimenting with low-moderate doses (e.g. 90-160mg) and trying combinations, but that's material for another thread.

~Dark

[sl1p606]

yeah you can learn how to get the same effect from a lower dose. as the same as of a high dose... just all about searching for the right feeling during the high dose. Then you can see what you were waiting for, while on the lower dose and have extra left over for another expirence.

if that made any sense

[opiatewonder98]

Do 400 mg or 300 mg, then come back with a big smile on your face.

[AceOvArts]

SWIM was prescribed 2x 10+500(paracetamol) co-dydromol (dihydrocodeine) at 4 hour intervals for chronic sciatica. This dose was completely useless so SWIM self medicated 4 every 2 hours, even this wasnt that great for his back. Swim has since been using 8 Paramol (7.5 dihydrocodiene+500 paracetamol) performing a CWE so not to abuse his liver. But even that has no buzz. He told me he just took 16 N+ (12g Codeine + 500 Ibuprophen) after a CWE, he thinks this will only give a mild buzz (if anything at all).

[Diapuch]

SWIM was prescribed 2x 10+500(paracetamol) co-dydromol (dihydrocodeine) at 4 hour intervals for chronic sciatica. This dose was completely useless so SWIM self medicated 4 every 2 hours, even this wasnt that great for his back. Swim has since been using 8 Paramol (7.5 dihydrocodiene+500 paracetamol) performing a CWE so not to abuse his liver. But even that has no buzz. He told me he just took 16 N+ (12g Codeine + 500 Ibuprophen) after a CWE, he thinks this will only give a mild buzz (if anything at all).

N+ Is 12.8/200 no? :confused:

[Abrad]

Do 400 mg or 300 mg, then come back with a big smile on your face.

This would be too high a dose for many non-tolerant SWIMS. If you want want to give dosage advice please be sensible.

[AceOvArts]

oops my bad, yes Nurofen Plus is 12.8g Codeine +200g Ibuprofen
(SWIMs liver feels better already)

[Codehead]

SWIM takes normally 160mg, SWIM took one time 400mg but didn't got that much higher high than SWIM thought. Maybe it's tolerance, SWIM hopes. SWIM thinks to make brown powder now from it, by boiling the water out of the CWE'd product. SWIM hope that it would work. SWIM trys snort it, just for test.

[Tortoise]

SWIM takes normally 160mg, SWIM took one time 400mg but didn't got that much higher high than SWIM thought. Maybe it's tolerance, SWIM hopes. SWIM thinks to make brown powder now from it, by boiling the water out of the CWE'd product. SWIM hope that it would work. SWIM trys snort it, just for test.
Interesting that 400mg felt not very different to 160mg.

Enrico wouldn't suggest you boil the water out of a CWE extraction as the heat will destroy the codeine. Furhtermore, snorting codeine is a waste as it bipasses the liver and takes longer to get converted to morphine.

[greenapple]

yeah... N+ is 12.8mg/200mg....

[darkglobe]

Old thread, lol.

Interesting to read about Dihydrocodeine, though - SWIM tried this once at 75% his usual Codeine dose, as he heard it was stronger... odd - SWIM had absolutely no recreational effect from it, but his knees felt a crapload better!
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Remember, kids - Codeine can kill you (from respiratory depression, if ya care), and I guarantee that if any individual totaly new to Codeine took 400mg of the stuff, he/she would either:

a) die
b) get sick, have to go into hospital looking like a dick
c) become unsettingly high (a very strong opiate buzz can make it difficult to breathe and therefore be overwhelming)

So think about it. Start low. Even as low as 60mg for quite a lot of people! Codeine's effects are subtle at low doses, and this may be just what one is looking for :) Also, 450mg ish is the ceiling dose - that is to say, fuck all will happen above that amount

[roserjoe]

swim did a cwe on 1gram of codeine, and got only about 500-600mg out of it... he did his calculations according to how much water he got. he also remembers erowid saying the theoreticl yield of a 100mg cwe is only 64mg...

[Tortoise]

Swim always compares the final amount of solution to his original amount of solution and surmises that on average, with his kick-arse method of extraction he only loses about 15-20% codeine because he usually loses 15-20% of his solvent (ie water), and it can be pretty much assumed that >99% of codeine will be dissolved in that solvent.