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If your dog starts drooling, has wobbly legs and tries to eat your cheese doodles, check your pot stash, says a spokesperson for the only poison control hotline in North America dedicated to animals.
Dana Farbman, a veterinary technician with the American SPCA's Animal Poison Control Centre, which takes calls from across Canada and the U.S., said pet overdoses of marijuana and other drugs are on the rise.
"In the past 12 months we've had 130 cases of marijuana overdoses," said Farbman. "With the bulk coming from California."
She said a cat or dog ingesting marijuana suffers similar side effects to those experienced by stoned humans, including muscle weakness, wobbly legs, depression, a drop in blood pressure, head bobbing, vocalization and possible vomiting. Farbman noted that herbicides and pesticides are also a concern if the animal has been eating live plants from a marijuana grow operation.
While pot overdoses in pets are seldom fatal, alcohol, cocaine or methamphetamines, which speed up the brain, are dangerous. An animal on cocaine or meth will become overexcited and can suffer cardiac or respiratory arrest and possibly death. An overdose of alcohol can put an animal into a coma.
"Alcohol overdoses are a common holiday hazard," said Farbman. "People leave their drinks unattended and animals will drink them. It affects their central nervous system and they become intoxicated."
The most common method by which dogs or cats overdose is by ripping into baggies full of drugs, said Farbman. Dogs, including the occasional police dog, are the animals most commonly exposed. The effects occur 30 to 90 minutes after ingestion and can last up to 72 hours. In most cases, callers are encouraged to seek the help of a veterinarian.
Because the hotline is anonymous, owners tell the truth when asking for help for their pet. But honesty is not always the situation in Vancouver, said a veterinarian with the Vancouver Animal Emergency Clinic Fourth Avenue and Fir Street.
"They're not going to tell you if their pet has been eating pot leaves because that would mean they have a grow-op," said Emmeline Tan. "They deal with us face to face so we rarely get the full story."
Tan can usually determine if an animal is affected because the symptoms are easy to spot. If Tan suspects a dog or cat has ingested pot or a prescription drug like Valium and it's too late to induce vomiting, she will administer activated charcoal. The charcoal absorbs the remainder of the drug before it is absorbed into the blood stream.
On one occasion a staid, middle-aged couple came to the clinic with a stoned dog. The couple refused to admit the dog had ingested marijuana, said Tan. "Then I asked if they had a teenager. They stopped and asked if they could use the phone and they went into the other room," she said. "Then all I could hear was screaming. I think that kid was grounded for the rest of his life."
The animal poison control hot line number is 1-888-426-4435.
Ok Hypothetical questions here...if an animal were to consume psychedelic drugs, would they experience the same things as a human beings do? Could it kill them?
could they still hallucinate?
ThePopeIsMyPal
22-01-2007, 05:46
theres a video out there of a cat on lsd and it gets really messed up and kinda disturbin so ya they would probley trip out but ya best not be givin ur animals drugs
mouthwater
12-02-2007, 12:02
SWIY should read "LSD Related Death of an Elephant" (on erowid) and "LSD in Animal Experiments and Biological Research" from "LSD: My Problem Child."
dreamatrix
24-02-2007, 01:57
swim knows some ppl who's cat accidentaly ate the leftover mushrooms from the tea ,it kind of freaked out for a couple of hours and was never realy the same afterwards they claimed,also swim saw a dog on some stuf at some freakfestival too ,, ,, ppl gathered about the poor fella even trying to sit with him,, the next day he was fine hehe ,also swims dog has eaten leftover spacecake and tripped out for a full night ,,slept for 18 hours or somth ,didnt realy feak out , actually improved her behaviour as she never will steal or come near any stash of swim haha ,no long term problems though, and yeah dmt kills sheep hehe while it fires up the mokey mind , also siwms knows of some cats who actually come to look up the smell from mj
Animals use drugs, just like humans.
and often they use by their own choice, not because of humans corrupting them.
elephants like alchool, and they like to get drunk, and when they are drunk they are very dangerous. they've learned that old fermented fruits make them drunk they like it and they do it again.
goats made humans discover coffee
here's a book:
http://kittsdream.com/Books/animals_psych.htm
mouthwater
09-03-2007, 04:04
elephants like alchool, and they like to get drunk, and when they are drunk they are very dangerous. they've learned that old fermented fruits make them drunk they like it and they do it again.
SWIY should read "Elephants Drunk in the Wild? Scientists Put the Myth to Rest," published by National Geographic. It outlines how there isn't that much untouched fruit left allowed to ferment, and how an elephant would need to eat huge quantities to feel any effects.
goats made humans discover coffee The International Coffee Organization asserts that the goat-theory is unlikely. The slave-theory is much more plausible.
Nagognog2
09-03-2007, 12:12
Cats need no coaxing to party-hearty on catnip.
Scientists killed a dog with ibogaine.
Life goes on.
Akewstick
09-03-2007, 14:33
In the early days, when SWIM and his friends started to experiment with ecstacy, during an emotional touchy-feely conversation (probably about how lovely the world is), one of SWIM's friends (or was it SWIM?) came up with the idea that the best thing one could ever do on ecstacy was to buy about 4 or 5 small fluffy white kittens, and give them quarter of a tab each, do a couple of tabs yourself, and just roll around with them.
In relation to what to do with the kittens afterwards, the only plausible answer was bag+brick+canal, so the plan, sadly, was never executed, and neither were the kittens.
turkeyphant
09-03-2007, 15:04
Interesting question. There's no doubt that all sorts of animals like to alter their consciousness. From reindeer who eat Amanita mushrooms to insects. In fact, Dr Ronald Siegel suggests that the urge to intoxicate is so strong that it is the fourth most primal instinct after hunger, thirst and sex. He argues that animals all over the world have historically always used psychoactive substances and that the desire to take mind-altering drugs is inherently programmed into our biology as a natural drive (Siegel 1989; Siegel 1983). It has even been claimed that it has been claimed that the existences of these chemicals is plants must have played a part in the evolution of consciousness (Albert 1993: 230-232).
If you are interested in these theories, check out the following literature:
Albert, D B. 1993. Event Horizons of the Psyche: Synchronicity, Psychedelics, and the Metaphysics of Consciousness (Riverside, CA: University of California).
Siegel, R K. 1983. “Teachings From Psychoactive Plants And Intoxicated Animals”, in Psychedelic Reflections, ed. by Grinspoon, L and J B Bakalar (New York: Human Sciences), pp. 213-222.
Siegel, R K. 1989. Intoxication: The Universal Drive for Mind-Altering Substances (Boston: Dutton).
Millsley
13-03-2007, 11:45
http://www.shoutfile.com/v/BZqXMAU2/Cat_On_LSD
Here's that video, doesn't look like he's having a real good time. :/
Spare Chaynge
13-03-2007, 13:48
Poor cat that is so mean. I hope they did the right thing and gave the cat a lethal amount of valium
Undeveloped, unevolved mind along with a low IQ.
This is an utterly false, unsophisticated view of an animal's brain. Most are quite highly developed and *perfectly* evolved for the biological niche the creature inhabits. Can't get any better in many cases.
As far as IQ, who would be dumb enough to measure an animal's IQ using human criteria? :rolleyes: Might just as well measure human IQ based on how well the person can triangulate a multiple attack 20 feet off the ground in a jungle setting.
Nagognog2
13-03-2007, 17:05
I'd rather throw that idiot "researcher" into the jungle and let the Jaguars have a snack.
turkeyphant
13-03-2007, 18:43
Sigel also did some really interested things. He used a trained pigeon called Noah to show that psychedelics elicit spiritual states.
He showed that rhesus monkeys would only smoke lettuce cigarettes if they got water as a reward. They would not smoke DMT cigarettes for a reward. However, once the monkeys were put in sensory isolation for a few days, they would self-administer DMT even when water was freely available. He hypothesised that the monkeys were escaping from isolation and searching for stimulation through the psychedelic action of the DMT.
Siegel, R K. 1983. “Teachings From Psychoactive Plants And Intoxicated Animals”, in Psychedelic Reflections, ed. by Grinspoon, L and J B Bakalar (New York: Human Sciences), pp. 213-222.
My dog and I were laughing hysterically for 8 hours straight. It got to the point where laughing wasn't fun anymore. (ok, I'm joking)
pokeyjo304
05-04-2007, 02:41
i know it sounds mean, but you all know you've done it, swim loves getting his pets high, it is just so much fun when you are sparkin a spliff and your like "hey there puppy, you wanna hit' lol
Swims dog will actually runs to him if he smells weed, guess he really likes getting high, swim always pours him a big ol bowl of puppy chow afterwards,
words can't even describe the appreciation that emits fromt that dog when swim gives him that puppy chow.
anyways, do any other swimmers out there have pets that like to blaze?
check this link: www.peta.org
i have to say that this is very offensive.
Isochrist
05-04-2007, 03:45
SWIM doesnt get their animals high. It just seems wrong and unnatural. There is a friend of SWIM who's dog seems to love getting marijuana smoke blown in it's face. So much so that when in a circle, the dog will come sit in the middle and lick the lips of whoever happens to be exhaling.
SWIM doesn't see anything offensive about it, if the animal shows signs of pleasure related to the process and perhaps even seeks it out. SWIM thinks this would be uncommon/unlikely, but possible.
However, if it's forced/unwelcome then it's no different than forcing any painful/unpleasant procedure on an innocent creature for no good reason. It's bad enough to have to do this for a pet's health (e.g. give pills, injections, etc) but if there's no medical reason for it then it borders on torture.
JustNeedToBeFree
05-04-2007, 07:21
SWIM believes that putting animals under the influence of drugs is wrong. They are not doing it under their own free will, do not know what they are feeling or why. Animals usually end up scared and/or hurt on drugs,Swim thik s its just outright irresponsible and stupid. Drugs could most certainly traumatize many animals depending on their personality.
Swia agrees that forcing them is wrong but has seen people house cats eat small amounts of buds now the other ones will not, seems to like to flake out on the sofa. Hates tobacco smoking but will walk in the same room as someone who is smoking herbal cannabis. Dispite effort of the guy keeping putting the cat out the room. he never exhales in front of the cat but it does like looking up at the smoke and seems to be content being in a smoke filled room. Mr J used to get sick of putting the cat out as she always find away in. The other cats he has hate the room. Strange different tastes i suppose.
SWIM also thinks that it is not right to get animals altered with cannabis or anything else. SWIM has heard of animals that seek it out, but blowing it in their face or giving it to them to eat when they do not know the reprocussions is simply unethical. They don't know what is happening in likely find it fightening. Sorta like if someone dropped some LSD into your coffee 1 hour before a court date.
While trying not to pick a side here...
For those against getting pets stoned...how do you feel about this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catnip
Just 'cause it doesn't get US high--for all we know it could be pot x 10 to a cat.
JustNeedToBeFree
05-04-2007, 17:24
Catnip never even worked for any of Swims cats. It occasionally came in some toys and they never seemed to care. And if a pet walks into a smoke filled room, Swim doesn't think thats a bad thing. 's ok if they just want to explore the new smell, but they won't get high unless some one blows smoke in their face or smokes with them in a confined area. And gettin animals high on anything is definitley a bad thing. One of swims uncle's got his dog drunk on liquor and it fell down the stairs. Swim has heard of some peoples cats going nuts aftery having marijuana smoke blown into their face. Remember also, dogs and cats are animals...drugs lower your inhibitions and cause bad behaviors. Many dogs could most likely turn vicious for the time while they're drugged because of fear.
pokeyjo304
05-04-2007, 17:35
well swims dog loves it, and he won't deny him the same pleasure that swim gets from cannibus if he wants it, he runs right up to swim and lets him blow the smoke right in his face, if you all think that it is unethical then you are intitled to that opinion, but the fact is that the dog loves it and swim sees nothing wrong in it.
oh and you all can stop giving me bad rep now i get the point, you dont like the post.
SWIM doesn't see anything offensive about it, if the animal shows signs of pleasure related to the process and perhaps even seeks it out. SWIM thinks this would be uncommon/unlikely, but possible.
I kind of get what you are saying here, but it is still wrong to mee. If an infant started to mess around with drugs it found on the floor, it would not be OK to keep drugging the baby. I believe humans and animals are of equal worth, and therefor should be given the same amount of respect.
pokeyjo304
05-04-2007, 17:53
giving or sharing drugs with anyone is deprimental to their health, though it is fun, if swiy considers animals and humans of equal worth then if swiy has ever shared any kind of drug with another person then this would be just as bad as getting a dog high.
now i know what your going to say, well people have the ability to say no or to decide whether they want it or not, well swims dog runs up to him and practically asks for it, he doesn't get agressive, or show any sign of the cannibus harming him in any way.
this was just a fun little post that i came up with last night when i was bored, sorry if it offends anyone, and if it does i suggest you not read it,
i do not condone abusive treatment to any animal, i take very good care of my pets.
again im sorry if i offended anyone, and i will be more careful next time i decide to start a thread.
If forced on the animal then swim thinks it to be very wrong.....but if the animal actually desire's it then what harm ? Is it immoral for any creature (including human's) to alter their state of mind if that's how they see fit ? Swim does'nt think so. Who's to say animals " cant handle " it ? Swim has seen plenty of human's who cant handle their substance's at all ( usually alcohol ) ...... more than likely animal's would feel a negative effect but as with human's different animal's have different personalities and maybe for some animal's getting high is just one of those little pleasure's in life. The only one who really know's if the effects are positive is the animal . So surely if the animal didnt like the experience it wouldnt come back for more......much like cow's and electric fence's.
Pokey, just how old are you? Oh, so your dog runs up to you and practically asks for it? Why's that? Mainly because you're the master of the dog, and the dog trust you, so why the fuck would you want to take use of that?
I'm very sorry to put it like this, but if you're so damn stupid, that you'll get your dog high, then you shouldn't have a pet.
"But the dog likes it" - so what? A dog likes chocolate pie, but it's not healthy for the dog.
Please just stop, you fool!
Nagognog2
06-04-2007, 02:08
I know where you can get some fun-loving Irakanji! You'll love 'em! Now before I load my pistol...
CLOSED.
ProtectedByTheGods
20-04-2007, 19:00
Since we cannot talk to the animals, I guess we will never know how they
will really feel about tripping.
I have a deep feeling though that 99.9% of species would not gain anything
positive out of it.
I suppose most would simply die of fear.
They can't reason themselves to tranquility as in: "Hey, I'm just tripping because
it ate a tab of LSD. This will pass in a few hours."
IMHO it is very, very unethical to give drugs to pets.
My friend has a puppy who knocks over ashtrays to eat the roaches out of them. But only the marijuana roaches never tobacco.
Cats need no coaxing to party-hearty on catnip.
Isn't that because it smells like a female in heat to them instead of really altering their minds?
LEC
http://www.shoutfile.com/v/BZqXMAU2/Cat_On_LSD
Here's that video, doesn't look like he's having a real good time. :/
Aww, man. I just watched that video after I posted my last message :(
LEC
geophagus
27-06-2007, 15:13
Spiders On Drugs
NASA conducted some research on the effects of different drugs on a spiders ability to spin webs in the 1960's. Here's a NASA Tech Brief describing this followed by some actual photos of the webs: http://science.nasa.gov/faq/NASA%20Tech%20Brief.pdf
http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/images/SpiderWebs/normal.jpg
Drug Free Spider Web
http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/images/SpiderWebs/lsd.jpg
Web created while exposed to LSD
http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/images/SpiderWebs/mescaline.gif
Web created while exposed to Mescaline\Peyote
http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/images/SpiderWebs/marijuana.jpg
Web created while exposed to Marijuana
http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/images/SpiderWebs/caffine.jpg
Web created exposed to Caffeine
http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/images/SpiderWebs/benzedrine.jpg
Web created exposed to Benzedrine/Speed
http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/images/SpiderWebs/chloralhydrat.jpg
Web created exposed to Chloral Hydrate (sleeping pills)
geophagus
27-06-2007, 15:21
Here are a couple more examples of animals and psychedelics that I found:
Dolphin-Human Relation and LSD 25 John C. Lilly, M.D.
http://www.psymon.com/psychedelia/articles/lilly.htm
Monkeys on LSD 25
http://www.psymon.com/psychedelia/images/monkeys.html
PS I do not agree with this type of testing. :(
http://www.shoutfile.com/v/BZqXMAU2/Cat_On_LSD
Here's that video, doesn't look like he's having a real good time. :/
OMG taht is awefull to watch and I am not a cat person (I gots me 2 doggies)
I alsmot couldn't watch I only stayed to the end of the clip to see what was going to happen.
Considering the mg/kg type thinking... is it safe to give "X" drug to dogs) other animal + drug facts are okay too.
~If you know of a certain drug that animals are allergic to, will die from, etc... please share.
*I know alot of people like to get high with the hound from time to time, so we've ruled out marijuana as a dog killer.
*Some chocolates will kill dogs via theobromine (xanthines in general), that is if chocolate is considered a drug. Grapes are bad too.
*Alcohol can't be good, but could be tolerated (probably).(my dog can't afford a beer belly)
So what about a very low dose of psilocybin mushrooms with alot of petting and nurturing? ... couldn't this provide the (well-loved, non agressive) animal, and human with quite the bonding experience?
Anything relating to animals and their drug usage is welcome here.
Orchid_Suspiria
11-07-2007, 04:47
Swim would hope swiy doesn't plan on giving a dog x or anything of the like.That just isn't right.Swim however doesn't see much wrong with blowing marijuana smoke in an animals face,some seem to enjoy it.Swims friends cat for example will follow swim and his friend whenever they are smoking and meow at us as if asking for some.While under the effects of cannabis the cat seems to like to walk in circles and meow at things that aren't there and chase imaginary mice.Swim thinks this is actually good for the cat.This cat is very old,about fifteen.He has little energy but under the effects of cannabis he almost seems kitten like.
If your pet suddenly starts talking, begging for some shrooms, I would say go for it. Otherwise, please don't.
Lump's dog Crotchie eats poop from other dogs butts, so it's a good thing that poop wasn't chocolate? She'll beg for anything in Lump's hand and yell at Lump in doggie lingo "WOOF WOOF" a.k.a. "GIMME THAT NOW" ...
anyway, that probably won't happen but if it does I'll post Lump and Crotchie's bonding experience.
Do you really care about your dog, or does it just amuse you that he can roll over and now possibly also be a victim of SWiY's reckless experimenting?
I'm not dissing you, but try putting yourself in the animals shoes (I pray to god that you don't REALLY have it wearing shoes...), and go from there. You may traumatize or kill your animal friend, and it would probably eat the drug because it loves you and trusts you. Don't betray that trust.
If you would do it to your newborn baby, than go ahead and do it to your pet. Just don't expect good karma. And don't go telling the wrong people about this, as some would get physical with you. And you might not have your dog to protect you by then. The dog may very well ignore you as it's leader, sparking up a nice fat doobie and watch you get beaten to atoms.
Hehe, I got a little carried away there. The bottom line is: Give you friend(s) love and appreciation, not shrooms and datura.
grandbaby
11-07-2007, 05:20
Due to the long duration and often difficult nature of most psychedelics it is highly advised not to feed them to your animals. A bit of weed once in a while, as long as it is not administered against the animal's will (i.e. hotboxing), is probably not a bad thing, though I know of a cat that developed lung cancer, likely (who can tell for sure?) through repeated exposure to mj smoke.
edit: ^agree with the above post wholeheartedly.
If Lump did an experiment it would be one psilocybe cap while at an old age close to being put down. The thought has crossed Lump's mind but he truly does care for the dog and has been afraid to do this for quite some time. He'll likely just stick to playing with the dog while on shrooms. Which still is amazing and provides a very primal experience. I understand though, there's no choice, they don't know what they're doing, it's unethical... if only they could speak...
and datura?! no way! but apparently cat's love angel's trumpet
that said, does anyone know of other drugs and reactions? I don't want anything like this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkpotwelKkY
There's a similar thread here...
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27400&highlight=animals
I think it would be morally reprehensible to give a dog (or any other animal) a psychedelic. It doesn't have the capacity to understand the experience, and would likely be utterly terrified
Orchid_Suspiria
11-07-2007, 06:34
If Lump did an experiment it would be one psilocybe cap while at an old age close to being put down. The thought has crossed Lump's mind but he truly does care for the dog and has been afraid to do this for quite some time. He'll likely just stick to playing with the dog while on shrooms. Which still is amazing and provides a very primal experience. I understand though, there's no choice, they don't know what they're doing, it's unethical... if only they could speak...
and datura?! no way! but apparently cat's love angel's trumpet
that said, does anyone know of other drugs and reactions? I don't want anything like this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkpotwelKkY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkpotwelKkY)
This seems extremely wrong regardless.Swim is an animal lover so maybe that is why it seems so wrong but put yourself in the animals place.We have a choice to take psychedellics.We are able to tell ourselves"Oh I just ate a mushroom,these hallucinations are harmless."an animal will not understand this.
I agree with HH399 and J and also to some extent with Orchid regarding the cat issue least with the smoke from cannabis, if it likes it, it will stay and follow the people who are smoking. if it didn't like the smoke it would not hang around it. WHich it implies its making a conscious choice.
Now back to the dog, if its eating something and trusting swiy with something you give it. Do you think you have the right to do that? as said before it would have no comprehension of whats happening to it. or worse kill it.
NO, IM NOT A BAD PERSON NEITHER IS LUMP. Me and Lump are going to let the evil animal testers in labs to do this, and even then we will protest.
Hypothetically, if the dog only knows love, I think it wouldn't have a bad trip if the entire trip was beside it petting it, letting it lick ya, exploring with it. Never leaving it alone, carrying it around, letting it crawl up on your chest (small dogs). This dog is family.
If the dog is kicked alot or something bad, with a bad owner, it would probably freak out on mush.
There is no way to tell how sensitive an animal may be to psychedelics though.
The mushroom question should have gone like this in the first post...
"Wouldn't it be wonderful to be on the same level of enlightenment as your best friend and companion?... if they could choose?... using mushrooms?"
Thank you Jatelka.
I found this there and it's interesting.
"He showed that rhesus monkeys would only smoke lettuce cigarettes if they got water as a reward. They would not smoke DMT cigarettes for a reward. However, once the monkeys were put in sensory isolation for a few days, they would self-administer DMT even when water was freely available. He hypothesised that the monkeys were escaping from isolation and searching for stimulation through the psychedelic action of the DMT.
Siegel, R K. 1983. “Teachings From Psychoactive Plants And Intoxicated Animals”, in Psychedelic Reflections, ed. by Grinspoon, L and J B Bakalar (New York: Human Sciences), pp. 213-222.
"
That article would be a good, interesting read.
Orchid_Suspiria
11-07-2007, 07:40
A dogs mind doesn't work like ours,it's not as complex.Even if all the animal knows is love and happiness its a safe bet that its going to be terrified when the world suddenly becomes filled with strange and unexplainable sights and sounds.Think acid is fun if you take it willingly but if someone gave swiy lsd when you were a kid and you didn't know it the trip would probably not be that good even if swiy lived a happy life.
Maybe. It might just amplify the love and dog/human connection, and how do we know the dog will get visuals? Why would a dog be terrified of any visuals? If visuals have never hurt her, she doesn't bark at the wind or when strangers come to the door, she wags her tail and looks if something moves but does not live in fear, and I believe dogs do know right and wrong and they certainly have "personalities" so to speak... If they're not as complex it might be argued that there is less to go wrong, if what they know is affection then maybe they'll get creative with it... or since they know how to go to the bathroom maybe theyd experiment with new ways of showing love by peeing on Lump. Who knows right?
This whole thread could have been completely different if I had said, "Lump's dog got into a bag of mushrooms once, she recently sniffed out the bag and whimpers for them.. is it ethical to give them to her?" This could happen, Lump will never know because he's not willing to risk it. I bet it's been done.
Infinite I
11-07-2007, 14:49
Swiy could get some catnip if swiy had a cat,swim heard cats love it, sure it contains DMT and swiy could drink some ayahuasca sure a lot of bonding could occur lol
Peace and Love