most euphoric benzodiazepine ?

[Guest]

WHat's the most Euphorical benzo ?

[Hydrocodone]

I have this stuff called zyprexa, its the only benzo ive ever taken that has given me any type of euphoria.

[Guest]

I've tried Xanax, Zopiclone, Tertrazepam, Clorazepateand Codeine.


Only Zopiclone and Codeine (not a benzo) gave me euphoria.


Trying Valium and Lorazepam soon.

[markdahman]

Valium wont give any euphoria! hahahah only euphoria ull get theyr is laying in ur bed for 10+ hours <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley2.gif">

[e-Thom]

zyprexa is an anti-depressant, not a benzo


zopiclone is a hypnotic agent but not a benzo either


there are no benzo that provide euphoria, only sedation

[Gahaba22]

e-Thom is exactly right. Benzos are not going to give you euphoria. They are for anxiety, withdrawals, and seizures.



geeb

[Hydrocodone]

I thought it was very similar to one? The net says its a thienobenzodiazepine?

[LuvsToSmokeDust]

Either somthing like Xanax or clonipin. The euphoria off benzos is pretty mild, but heay.... its better than nothing. and its one of the easyest drugs to get a script for. So why not ?


^ ^ O and Valium is the next step up from Ativan. So if I was gonna choose one between Valium and Ativan I'd go with Valium.


p.s. Zyprexa is a mood stabalizer and a mild antipsychotic. I don't know why it would make you feel euphoric it suppost to do the opposit of that.


Peace !

[e-Thom]

i think you mean thienodiazepine...but zyprexa isn't a thienodiazepine


clotiazepam is an example of one...they are like benzodiazepines but much weaker

[relax]

Perhaps a better ? would be which benzo is most "drastically" effective. If one i looking for recreation, they probably just want to know which one chills you out fastest, longest, and most enjoyably. Even one who really needs it can benevfit: Xanax, Klonopin, and Valium seem to be widely prescribed and readily available, but what are the differences in effect? Also, what of the other benzos? A list of all the "---azepams" with strength, effects,etrc, would be great.

[OneDiaDem]

Zyprexa is an anti psychotic. All your gonna get from it is sleepy.

[Bluelight25]

I consider myself an amatuerbenzonaut, [but only an amatuer,so, bear with me]


NorValium: Pointless, see Klonopin


Valium -slightly euphoric, despite other posters suggestions.Probably theeasiest to build a fast tolerance to.Pop 10 5mg oranges and you can stillfinish your homeworkassignments. General sense of "well being",thoughit doesn't work its real magic until you sleep on it:It's like waking up in aCloud witha squad ofCare Bears nestling next to you. Psychiatrists, however, quicklyrecognized that Diazepam needed a stronger alternative [fascinating rationalization similar to the development of Heroin to break Morphine addictionafter WWII, hence-]


XANAX or Alprazolam:A.K.A. -The One that Knocks You Down. This is highly effective in situations wheresomeone has taken too much amphetamine, in mild tachycardia or otherwise chicken-flipping: Xanax takes no prisoners. Use 1 beer to activate -[Not 2, not 3, 1 is fine] - ONE. A12 ounce beer will cost you all of 50 cents andessentially double the effect for one hour [hence, you use lessat the onset] The major problem with Xanax is non-selectivity, meaning that it hitsALL GABA sites and not just the Chill Button: One of those sites, incidentially, relates to your short term memory ~ with the result thatyou forgetyou already dosed. "Oh, I need to take my Xanax! I haven't taken my Xanax..."


30 min later: "Hey! I need to take my Xanax! I haven't taken my Xanax."


20 min later: "Heeyyaa iiineeeda takke mah...maaahZan...Zan-Zan...I haven't..."


30 min later: Thoroughly Worthless.


LORAZEPAM: Much better-and more addictive-than both combined. AKA ATIVAN.Very lucid relaxation coupled with a generalMorpheus-like:


"We're trapped! There's no way out!"


"Be Calm. Do you have your phone on you?"


"They'll be able to trace it."


[Morpheus: Pure Zen.] "We have no choice."


;)

[LuvsToSmokeDust]

Aghhh Man. Never mind Xanax it just makes you wanna flat out sleep. I took 2mg.s for my first time expecting it to be more euphoric than Valium none the less, But about 30 minets after it started to kick in I was starting to feel kind of a sleepy like a just woke up kind of on the nod feeling and I kept yawning too. Where as when I took 10.mg of Valium it made me feel more relaxed and less sleepy than Xanax and it put me in a more talkative an good mood a real antianxiety agent &lt; from my point of view. I felt more mellow and lose off Valium. ^ ^ Now that I'v tried Xanax I wanna just stop taking it and go back to valium. I'll only use the Xanax if I wanna sleep.

Oh and Ativan more euphoric than Valium....... Please. I'v tried both and Valiums alot better.

As for Klonopin &lt; Never tried it.

p.s. ^ ^ legally I can use any of these drugs (benzo's)because of my condition.

[Guest]

How do you go about getting xanax at a doctors, what would you need to say you were feeling to get it. Same question with vallium, diazepam etc.

[Ximot]

read up on what it's prescribed for, then go and say that's what you're feeling http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

what the doctor's gonan give you is up to the doc I guess. Pretty much they're all used for very similar conditions somehow related to anxiety/insomnia.

read up on the subject if you wanna play it in one particular direction, otherwise you'll have to make do with doc's choice. http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

[rxcrackhead]

the only way to really enjoy a goo benzo is with marijuana, otherwise your
just gonna get tired. 50 mg valium and a fat joint, you'll be feelin pretty
euphoric for the next couple days. but thats me. xanax gives me panic
attacks the next day, like i have withdrawls, but klonopins are dope.

[djmauxy]

Rohypnol (flunitrazepam) is the most powerful/euphoric benzo.

If taken with alcohol it produces quite an intense state.

(Note do not drink more than about 10 units with benzos!!)



Benzos can actually be very stimualting especially with alcohol as
apose to traquilising. More so if you drink the alcohol fast or drink
spirits.

Dispite the fact that benzos are meant to be tranquilzers they are
quite psychedelic and can be unpredictable especially with other drugs
like alcohol and cannabis.

Ive taken rohypnol with alcohol and many times its actually been like taking cannabis/speed and made everything more intense.

Not good if you want to relax though!

Anyone else here taken benzos and had the opposite of being tranquilised????



Oh and if you want to feel the most pleasant heroin like tranquilazation the best ive ever had is rohynol and GHB.

I took about 2.75g of ghb and 1 rohypnol and I was soooooo mellowed out man it was awesome.

Music was amasing! It was just like what would imagine heroin to be
like! I started acting like a 5 year old and running round the house
being silly. I felt so free like I could run down the street naked and
would not care! It tripled the benzo euporia but unlike with alcohol
was not intense, just way chilled out.

[OneDiaDem]

Xanax does indeed give you a euphoric feeling if done in the right doses. 2 mg for someone who has never taken it before IS going to knock you down. .50-1 mg is good to start with, unless your just looking for that knockdown. I have taken this for years. Just be careful, its very addictive, and tolerance builds quickly.</font>

[xMeTaL HeAdx]

Vicodin, when i take it, i feel so good about myself and everything. It's a great feeling.

[OneDiaDem]

I liked vicodin a little too much, well, everything about it except the "itch" lol.</font>

[rit_guy]

www.rxlist.com -&gt; look up what meds are prescribed for

[ToxicMind]

Almost all benzos will be given out for anxiety. Tell your doctor that you are having panic attacks and they will give you something- don't say insomnia cause then you'll probly end up getting a sleeping pill. Also if you look hard enough you can find a doctor online that will actually write you a rx. They ask you what you need the meds for, then write the rx, and have a pharmacy mail it to you. Good Luck! -K

[msimm]

I told my doctor I was experiencing increased, chronic generalized
anxiety (I am in the middle of changing careers) and that I'd been self
medicating (my words exactly) with a chemical called Phenibut which
being sold as supplement, but that I'd tappered down off the Phenibut because it was causing apnea and enough respitory
depression to worry me. I
walked out with 30 days worth of Lexpro samples and a script for Xanax.







I don't probably look like a drug user which probably made it a little
easier, but my understanding is that there are doctors who believe in
treating mental disorders with medication and those that want you to
simply 'chin-up'. The pro medication doctors seem to be pretty willing
to dole out Xanax prescriptions, it seems to be sort of the anxiety
drug du jour. Its generally considered both safe and reliable.



As for euphoria, for me it barely even hits the anxiety. I'd taken a
good deal of valium a few years ago and was expecting (to steal a line
from Bluelight25) more of a cloud of care bears.



I guess this stuff hits everybody differently. For my part (and from
what I've read on boards like dr-bobs and such) I think Valium has more
of mood lifting effect and I suspect thats why it seems to be falling
out of favor.



I'll make a note to look into Lorazepam though, sounds interesting.

</font>

[Sasha Gulag]

hands down ..Clonazepam is my fav benzo


it does, at least to me, have some euphoric quality. i feel artiistically and creatively opened up on clonos. Uninhibited too, not that im that inhibited to begin with


the key is not taking a hypnotic dose. 1-1.5mg of clono is perfect for a happy, goofy night. Clonazepam also lasts like 14 hours, you wake up stoned the next morn

[I been around]

I love valium. You need to take like 50 miligrams and just chill.

[dastardlymonkey]

I personally prefer valium.the buzz from xanax is enjoyable but i tend to pass out eventually,and klonipin just makes me forget everything.


high doses of valium if you can stay awake and with the help of a little cannabis,puts one in quite an enjoyable place.

[camiroquai]

jeeze louise, just take some XTC!

[dastardlymonkey]

Valium is the most pleasurable of the benzo family, but I would'nt call it euphoric. Zyprexa is a benzo even if it is an antipsychotic, but I still would not take it.

[unico_walker]

Its a total crap shoot trying to get it prescribed though, some doctors
will write you a script on the spot while others will tell you to drink
a bud and chin uphttp://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif



My recommendation is to move to a place where you walk into the
pharmacy and tell the pharmacist what you want without needing a scripthttp://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

[soapiswierd]

well. vicodin can give you a pretty euphoric sensation if you do it
right. just take a few 5/500s and turn on some pretty lights and
relaxing music. drink a beer. and its pretty nice. its like sedation
and euphoria in my opinion.

[Lysergium]

Vicodin is not a benzo, its an opiate with paracetamol. The only way
your going to get any euphoria with a benzo is to mix it with other
downers such as alcohol, opiates,GHBs, or weed. Of course, this is not
advisable though because of possible coma/death through respitory
failure.

[Gahaba22]

Dastardlymonkey,

Zyprexa is not a benzo. It is an atypical antipsychotic

[Mike177]

getting a scrip for xanax is not too hard, but it can be. i have a long history of depretion and anxiety so for me it wasent all that hard. they will usally try you on something that dosent have the addictive qualitys of xanax. before i was able to get xanax i was givin buspar, gabitril, respidol, abilify and i had to find out a common side affect for them or just say that it wasent cutting the cake. for me it awile, but it was worth it considering i was already there every 2 weeks :)

[iFeaRNLoathiNg]

Valium most euphoric for swim, however xanax is his fav...

[Henfer]

SWIH has had valium and ativan so far (diazepam the first, lorazepam the second).

lorazepam wins here hands down for SWIH. you feel it kick in much better. Valium is not that good alone, really, drink a beer or two - that'll make it. take valium and an opiate and there's no sorrow in the world. in fact, if everyone would do this, people would reduce their lifespan a bit, everyone would be addicted, but there would be no wars ;)

really, ativan is the better one for recretional usage in SWIH's eyes, but you can dose valium higher (1mg ativan = 10 mg valium), as ativan is one of the most amnesic ones. 2mg is enough with no tolerance.

SWIH definately won't recommend zopiclone for recreational usage. you'd do strange things. SWIH designed his room new, totally made a mess and was even talking with people. he can not remember anything of this. and that's with sloppy 15mg, only two tabs.

[wearestardust]

Of course benzos give you a sense of euphoria. The strongest is actually alprazolam, followed by clonazepam, but as someone noted earlier, clonazepam lasts a hell of a lot longer. The word (not having tried it yet) is that the most euphoric benzo by a long way is nimetazepam. It's a pity it is practically impossible to find in the west. I believe it's very popular in Japan and S>E>Asia. There is only one commercial brand - Erimin-5.
WAS

[kritikal]

I must say lorazepam is the one i hold dearest. I went in to a docs with genuine intense panic attacks, i was given aropax (SSRI not benzo) then they continued while coming of Rock, (we call amphetamine rock over here, crack is very rare but meth is an epidemic.) as well as morphine, etc, etc. this was whilst i was in rehab so theyu just changed my meds to mirtazapine, another anti depressent that works on norepnipherine. This seemed to help a bit. your best with old doctors they just say to you "what do you think will help you." Say something like i was given "insert drug name here" before and that helped.

[Psych0naut]

Of course benzos give you a sense of euphoria.This is a subjective opinion. Many people don't experience any euphoria, or even relaxation from benzodiazepines, while many do, and some even find them euphoric. SWIM doesn't find them euphoric either.

[msimm]

My opinion has always been that they are more prone to work (as expected) for people who typically do experience anxiety. But it's more a pet theory. Psych0naut, are you typically anxious or outgoing (as in either/or)?

[GForce]

SWIM has tried three benzodiazepines; Xanax, Klonopin, and Valium.

Xanax he finds the strongest, shortest acting, and most euphoric of the three. If he wants to get messed up or needs fast acting panic relief this is his drug of choice. It is also extremely useful to have around in the case of tripping on a psychedelic. In the event of a "bad trip" one can usually just solve the problem by taking Xanax (or probably any other benzo for that matter, just not as quickly) as a bad trip is just one giant panic attack.

Valium is his least favorite of the three. He hasn't tried it too often, but finds its half-life is way too long and it doesn't kick in nearly as quickly or as powerful as the other two. If he takes it within a few hours of going to sleep he usually always wakes up with a residual hangover from how slow the half-life is. I can see why this drug can be useful for those who need to cope with severe anxiety all day, but SWIM personally doesn't find it to be of much recreational value.

Klonopin is what I'm prescribed for general anxiety and panic disorder. I find it has the good sides of the other two, without sacrificing too much. Its half-life is much shorter than Valium, but not too much longer than Xanax, at least in terms of actually feeling the dose. It makes managing anxiety extremely easy because its short-acting enough that it can treat panic attacks but its also long-acting enough that it can keep me calm all day, or at least over a period of time much longer than Xanax. I usually take it twice a day (prescription is take as needed) and that's enough for me to manage anxiety. Also, SWIM will take Klonopin recreationally because it is short-acting enough that he won't feel residual effects the next day unless he was drinking heavily. In those cases where he does feel crappy, it was probably the alcohol.

[wearestardust]

My recommendation is to move to a place where you walk into the
pharmacy and tell the pharmacist what you want without needing a script:D[/quote]

Does anyone know of such a country? It sure would save a lot of hassle and time spent persuading doctors of what you really NEED!
WAStardust

[GForce]

Try almost any middle eastern, asian, or south american country. I know there are at least a handful of countries in each continent that sell them OTC. As mentioned in another thread suppliers from India and Pakistan take advantage of this grey market and sell to customers abroad claiming that it isn't their responsibility to determine what is legal for every single country. I'm not sure if they're breaking the law in their country, but at the end of the day if customs ever intercepted a package because they found drugs in it they would notify you and allow you to refuse delivery. I won't discuss sources here because it isn't the place but provided you're careful with your paper-trail (most of these places only take WU anyway) you really can't get pinned. There are also still a VERY limited number of pharmacy/doctor phone services in the United States, which seem to all come out of Central Pharmacy in Florida. Not sure what they're called now, but it has been Centra Pharmacy, Central Pharma, etc. My guess is they keep getting shut down and moving their operations around. They act like a normal online record pharmacy which is completely legal however everyone I've spoken to who has used such services has ignored the medical forms and waivers and still recieved their order.

[sl1p606]

nimetazepam hmmmm

would like to know the euphiria feeling between nimetazepam and the three alprazolam, diazepam and clonazepam.

because swim hears good things about this particular benzo.

its not the one they band in some countries for violent mood swings though?

not sure

[Henfer]

so far, as SWIH has tested diazepam, lorazepam, and alprazolam and also flunitrazepam..

Diazepam: only nice as an enhancer for bud, alcohol, opiates. itself just tends to make SWIH feel weak, and in dosages of 50mg+ just like heavily drunken. also SWIH doesn't like it as a sleep helper, because if he takes it 1 hour before he wants to go sleeping, he's sedated the whole next day. once, he took 50mg diazepam and drank two beers... sleep was good but the next day, he couldn't keep his eyes open and once even fell from his chair at work

Lorazepam: definately SWIH's favourite for sleep helping. strong and fast onset, and when it's gone, it's gone (not so much a hangover). However, SWIH is somewhat resistant to it and needs at least 4mg for sleep helping. not euphoric, only relaxing, and definately the best one for SWIH to help come down after amphetamine-nights.

Alprazolam: Definately the best for recreational usage, especially together with alcohol and opiates. not good for parties. once SWIH took 1mg and drank a few beer on a party, and as he god nauseous, he chewed a diphenhydramine gum. the nausea was quickly gone, but SWIH was passing out all the time and had to leave the party early and drive home by taxi because he felt tired like never before in life. However, remains the best also for single usage, especially 3mg+ dosages. however, this alone is enough to pass our rather quickly.

flunitrazepam: forget this one. not euphoric, heavy hangover, and very fast onset even on low dosages. SWIH gof this prescribed once because he was in the hospital and could barely sleep for three nights. they gave SWIH this, and he passed out very quickly.

concluding, for recreational usage, alprazolam (aka Xanax) remains the best.

Special Tip: SWIH is not a smoker, so he's pretty sensitive to nicotine, however, this should work for anybody. When SWIH took too much diazepam or needs a short time and fast onset relief of its effects (because his girlfriend spontanously thinks its a good idea to call and tell him she'll be there in 20 minutes..), SWIH uses his bong to smoke a dose of pure tobacco. Yeah this is pretty heavy and flushes and rushes his head heavily for 2-3 minutes, but it removes the diazepam effects very well. However, it's a short time relief. Some cigs could do it too.

[wearestardust]

Never heard of nicotine being a benzo suppresant before... so far as sleeping benzos are concerned, temazepam (Normison, Restoril 30mg) is supposed to give most euphoric effects, but purely as a sleep aid, midazolam 15mg is hard to beat. In the opinion of SWIM, it is a much more effective and 'cleaner', ie no residual next-day effect, sleeper than flunitrazepam, which does admittedly have quite euphoriant properties when the sleep urge is fought. 15mg of Flormidal or Dormicum does the sleeping business best of all, better than any of the 'Z' drugs like zolpidem (Stilnoct, Ambien) and zopiclone (Zimovane). These latter drugs tend to build up such a tolerance so quickly that they are virtually useless for sleeping after a week or so of use. As an occasional aid, zolpidem 10mg does help very well, though. SWIM might use zopiclone once every month or so when required and has no midazolam to hand.
Mr Stardust

[iFeaRNLoathiNg]

[quote=Henfer;303238],

Diazepam: only nice as an enhancer for bud, alcohol, opiates. itself just tends to make SWIH feel weak, and in dosages of 50mg+ just like heavily drunken. quote]
swiy must have a very high tolerance level, must be the biggest. 12 mg and swiy blacks out and comes too named on his roof type shit. and if swiy had took 50mg+ i tip my hate to his suicidal ass. much love D.F.!!!!!!!!

[wearestardust]

Should also have mentioned that nimetazepam, which SWIM hears has by far the most euphoric effect and is available in only one brand (Erimin-5), is almost impossible to source in the West, but is popular in Japan, Singapore, Thailand, and countries like that.
He would love to give it a try as a change from his normal anxiety/panic medications (alprazolam, diazepam, bromazepam and clonazepam). At the moment SWIM is prescribed 3mg alprazolam (brand-name Upjohn Xanax) daily. Despite what others have said on this forum, SWIM finds diazepam and bromazepam to be very fast-acting indeed in the case of using them actually DURING a panic episode. Bromazepam in particular, being usually a softer tablet, works very rapidly indeed when 18mg is used during an episode sublingually. 20-30mg of diazepam likewise. Both are faster to quell the symptoms than alprazolam, which is better as a preventative. Since switching from diazepam to alprazolam as his main anxiolytic, SWIM's rate of attacks has definitely reduced. And all three of these do give him a degree of euphoric effect. Some folk just don't get this; others do get euphoria from benzos, so there is no point in arguing whether they are euphoric or not - some people find them so at certain dosages.
Mr Stardust once more

[Henfer]

[quote=Henfer;303238],

Diazepam: only nice as an enhancer for bud, alcohol, opiates. itself just tends to make SWIH feel weak, and in dosages of 50mg+ just like heavily drunken. quote]
swiy must have a very high tolerance level, must be the biggest. 12 mg and swiy blacks out and comes too named on his roof type shit. and if swiy had took 50mg+ i tip my hate to his suicidal ass. much love D.F.!!!!!!!!

actually, SWIH never thought of diazepam 50mg being a HUGE dosage for recreational value. Just yesterday SWIH had 8mg Lorazepam and 2mg Alprazolam taken in and could stay awake. yeah it was pretty hard, that one has to be said.

once SWIH has combined all of those three in THAT dosage, yeah it was first a long blackout, than a heavy dayon work where he just slept all the time and once even fell of the chair.

SWIH does not have a huge tolerance really. he's just a hard head who once also tripped on 600 mcg LSD, and 500mg of Tramadole (yes, five hundred, 10x the 50mg capsules) didn't have ANY effect on him, same with 400mg of Pholcodine. SWIH can also take in as much as 500mg Tilidine (an opiate ~35% strength of morphin) and 20mg diazepam and just be relaxed.

it's just a matter of mass (SWIH was a bodybuilder once and also did their stuff) and your personal body.

however all of these are execeptions of the rule, and no where near the dosages SWIH uses "daily" (as he uses only Tilidine daily cause of his rheuma pain together with metamizol).

the damnest most stupid thing SWIH ever did was having only ibuprofene at home, and having excrutiating tooth pain and he ate about 20 or 25 of the 400mg tabs over the course of several hours, then the night was over, and SWIH went to doc, doc took out that wisdom tooth and yeah, SWIH was just SICK in the stomach for two days.

[wearestardust]

[quote=iFeaRNLoathiNg;3034

the damnest most stupid thing SWIH ever did was having only ibuprofene at home, and having excrutiating tooth pain and he ate about 20 or 25 of the 400mg tabs over the course of several hours, then the night was over, and SWIH went to doc, doc took out that wisdom tooth and yeah, SWIH was just SICK in the stomach for two days.

I agree with SWIH about the dosage being not that high for recreational value. I just had to get my laugh in at the final bit quoted here! Stupid is right! My God, that is some amount of Ibuprofen... and it's not exactly good for the stomach either; glad you're OK though and not suffering constant stomach ulcers like a friend who used to eat Nurofen Plus as if they were chocolate drops.
Teeth are notoriously difficult things to get rid of the pain. My father, who was a doctor, had to give me 30mg dipipanone (Diconal) once when I had a very bad abcess and had to wait a holiday weekend for the Dental Hospital to open - no emergency service either. Needed that every 12 hours or so, and that is one hell of a lot of one hell of a strong painkiller. In fact, I don't think Docs in the USA are even allowed to prescribe Dipipanone. Think Oxycodone and treble, quadruple it, and you get somewhere close to the power of Diconal.
WAS

[Henfer]

you are so right with toothpain, it mostly happens on weekends etc. and, even if not strong, is the worst type of pain for man, SWIH thinks. His all-time-reserve of tilidine is a good helper here, an opiate. SWIH knows that his mother once had a giant abcess in the front teeth reaching into the bone and the doc had to remove it all and they gave SWIH's mum oxycodone + another opiate and even that did not help really that much, she said, this was MUCH worse than all the three births she gave to children together.

several years ago, SWIH's tonsils were removed after having them inflamed 7x in one year, and the pain after the operation narcosis had gone was excrutiating, SWIH was even crying at nights. However, his ex-tonsils didn't really hurt, it went totally into the ears and teeth. they first tried metamizole, but that did not help the least bit. after 4 nights of pain and tears and calling the nurse every 5 minutes and wanting a painkiller, they finally gave SWIH some injection. Until today, SWIH does not know what this was, but it killed the pain completely in a matter of minutes (or even under a minute?) and put SWIH instantly in a state of euphoria and feel-good, so it must have been an opiate, however, SWIH was 0% into opiates at that time and didn't knew anything about them.

that one was good, SWIH just had to bother the nurse every 5 minutes for 4 nights before they finally killed the pain off. thanks to the opiate bias in europe.

oh and SWIH HAS stomach ulcers, combined mass usage of coke (coca-cola, not what you may think :) ), stress and mass usage of ibuprofen, aspirin etc. due to such painful stuff and his fibromyalgia. now he's on tilidine 150mg twice a day retarded tablets and metamizole and tilidine as drops for the "hard" days.

[wearestardust]

Not being familiar with tilidine (is that a drug or a brand?) SWIWAS will now use a search engine to educate himself. If it's as good as you say, then SWIWAS may put it on his list of things to look out for to cope with his breakthrough pain from the oxycodone. 12 hours, my arse. 6, I would venture. Though there is no doubting its effectiveness while it lasts. He just has it in his head that since Americans go on so much about hydrocodone, SWIWAS's experience of which is VERY limited, it must be better than dihydrocodeine, the next-best analgesic to oxycodone available in this location.

[wearestardust]

Afterthought - maybe hydrocodone isn't the answer - it is VERY expensive, totally unavailable here, and in time past, 50mg was required, and thatinvolves ingesting a LOT of paracetamol (acetaminophen).
WAS

[SurferRosa]

SWIM is currently feeling the effects of 20mg of temazepam (negligible tolerance) and can safely say that euphoria is minimal, maybe a few tingles but the overriding sensation is of staggering, vaguely confused yet content fuckedness. Yet still able to hold SWIMself together in an odd way. Intriguing indeed, may try 30 or 40mg next time.

[bhmoab1]

Out of valium, xanax, and temazepam.(3 swim has had)

swim feels xanax is the most euphoric he has tried. Swim likes its quick onset, however he has trouble really enjoying it without a couple beers first or maybe a small to moderat opiate dose. None of which can be recomended as being safe. Only stating what swim enjoys most.

Temazepam can be pretty nice with beer, however it takes a pretty high dose. When temazepam starts getting nicefor swim(around 60-75mgs with a six pack) it also gets to the point where swim is stumbling around. Swim seems to enjoy it at this point however not much can be remembered about those nights.

[rocksmokinmachine]

SWIM agrees with the people who prefer the shorter acting benzos (such as alprazolam). They come on alot quicker, and when taken at a comparitive dose to a longer acting benzo (such as diazepam) they seem much stronger for SWIM. Some benzos have very long half lifes in the body and some have a shorter half life. I think this may have something to do with the fact that many people find alprazolam, lorazepam etc. more euphoric.

It is not often available but SWIM has just found a new favourite. Flunitrazepam.

[Harry]

As some have suggested in this thread, the only euphoria SWIM had ever experienced was with mixing benzos and alcohol. Basically valium (Diazepam) and the booze of your choice.

Of course this mix does not come without risk. It is in fact dangerous, very dangerous with the more quantities of each one's mixed. The risk, respiratory arrest and/or depression of central nervous system leading to potential death.

[wearestardust]

SWIM agrees with the people who prefer the shorter acting benzos (such as alprazolam). They come on alot quicker, and when taken at a comparitive dose to a longer acting benzo (such as diazepam) they seem much stronger for SWIM. Some benzos have very long half lifes in the body and some have a shorter half life. I think this may have something to do with the fact that many people find alprazolam, lorazepam etc. more euphoric.

It is not often available but SWIM has just found a new favourite. Flunitrazepam.

Not being a drinker, I can't comment on mixing benzos and the devil's water for euphoric purposes (if you can call staggering around in a state of semi-amnesia euphoric). I can agree that flunitrazepam when fresh, especially the 2mg tablets, can be euphoric as I understand the word, though with some strong makes like Labor Med, you really DO have to fight the sleep urge to experience that; hence SWIWAS's fave sleeper, 15mg midazolam, can't be considered for this question - it's almost impossible NOT to fall asleep once ingested!
Now the half-lives and onset-speed questions; perhaps it varies between body and body, because SWIWAS has suffered severe anxiety/panic syndrome for 30 years, and finds that one of the longest-lasting (diazepam or nordazepam) actually comes on and kicks in faster than alprazolam with its pretty short half-life of 6-12 hours, as compared with 100-200 hours for the former; thus, along with bromazepam (Lexilium, Lexotanil) and clonazepam (Rivotril) he finds them more useful, as I think he's said before, DURING an attack than alprazolam, which is the pefect preventative. And it also helps SWIWAS's IBS, a bugger of a disease to treat at the best of times. Yet there is no mention of IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome) in the BNF (British National Formulary) and neither is clonazepam indicated for anxiety or panic - only for seizures and epileptic conditions. Confusing when you think that every other Medical Pharmacopoeia or Formulary in the world lists anxiety/panic as first or second indication, as does nearly every overview available to read on the internet. My first thought is, WTF has happened to the British NHS, once regarded as the finest health system in existence? :cry: I believe that the old DDR had the best - at least that's the opinion of so many Germans, who bemoan its loss. And from what has been heard, they could well be right. If you excise the treatment (always unknown to the patient) of pubescent girls with hormones and steroids at sports medical centres. Most distasteful. Some girls were made into monsters (throwers, swimmers) and others kept in a semi-permanent state of pre-pubescence or just on the cusp of puberty (gymnasts etc.). And it transpires that this policy came from the very highest political level. But ordinary citizens of the DDR were sure lucky with their education and health. :vibes: Sorry about the tangent there but I got a bit angry! :mad:
Stardust, we sure are.

[wearestardust]

SORRY... back from my tangent, SWIWAS must resume his search for a source of what he has been told is the most euphorical (to repeat the word used in the very first post of the thread) benzo - nimetazepam, branded Erimin-5. And what's the Russian one? Begins with a 'P' and has good reviews... GOT IT! PHENAZEPAM. Got a lot of people through the Brezhnev years, that did.

[Henfer]

some information for SWIWAS:

tilidine is only used in europe, mainly in SWIH's home country. it is not under schedule under the brand name, Valoron (tilidine is the drug, valoron the brand), because it's mixed with naloxone. that much naloxone, that you can't dose it higher than 500mg at once. but this is absolutely enough for a HEAVY HEAVY high.

it's almost impossible to find tilidine in the US or outside of europe, namely germany, france, austria, etc.

it's also a very special opioide (not an opiate, as it's completely synthetic):

- it has no effect on injection. tilidine is metabolized to nortilidine in the liver which is the active painkiller and opioide receptor agonist.
- it is not very sedating. unlike H (which SWIH never tried) or any other opiate (and SWIH tried most of them), it does not sedate you in any way. it's pain killing and has a more... "speedy" feeling, SWIH would very well compare it to a low dosage of meth. it's very euphoric and one of the most addicting ones because you can get it easily here, the naloxone only prevents usage by people with sky high tolerance (like H and Morphine users).

of course, if you use pure tilidine and dose it in the 600mg+ area, you'll have the usual side effects including breathing depression. the speciality of tilidine is, that it's recreationally usable effects (euphoria, good feelings, etc) are prominent UNDER the pain killing dosage (25mg is the threshold for recreationally usable effects, 50mg for pain killing).

oh, and it took SWIH exactly 20 days to get physically dependant. because at the 20th day he set it off to test if he's addicted (what he also did on other days before) and yes, he felt like having a heavy flu.

SWIH hopes this helps you as it's almost impossible to find usable english information on tilidine.

[trptamene]

Hey Jatelka,

this thread is getting semi-long and it is becoming more difficult to find what the general consensus on the OP's question. I was wondering if a poll could be added with choices similar to those found in the favorite benzo poll? Just a thought.

[Jatelka]

Wishes Commands etc

I do believe that's the first time I've used the Poll Function

[gingerutopia]

not that i would know the answer to such a question, rather my monkey who has been clinicaly depressed after the come down of the 70's disco era with an afro has been using valium for quite some time. He has had quite good effects with the old valium. My monkey who has been clinicaly depressed after the come down of the 70's disco era with an afro will tell you that when he consumes his valium he rather likes to wash it down with a nice green j and some fine music and just relax and float down stream on his little cloud of warmth protection and comfort.......if this thats not a state of euphoria, then he obviously has the wrong type of banana.

My monkey who has been clinicaly depressed after the come down of the 70's disco era with an afro also states that its not worth his time to spend all his life on this drug
so after building up quite a large tolerance earlier in the decade after constant use for a built up length of time he only likes to do this every now and then.

my monkeys asleep right now and with his built up paranoia, if he wakes and finds me posting this he may just throw a wobbler, so i'll say goodbye now.

[all_time_high]

Lol, I think the definition of euphoria has changed over the years. Just check the post in 2005 (till post no.33) and posts in 2007 (from 34). People in 2005 used to say theres no Euphoria from benzos, the ones in 2007 there is a lot.

For that matter, when it comes to SWIM alprazolam alone just knocks him down. When done in recreational doses with Hashish it is mildly euphoric

[Politicalchalk]

I have this stuff called zyprexa, its the only benzo ive ever taken that has given me any type of euphoria.


just a note, zyprxa is an anti-psychchotic. olanazepine -- I believe is it derived from benzos, but posses no BZD activity on their own.

[GlasgowTallBoy]

Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) is the most powerful benzodiazepine (BZD) yet marketed. Does anybody know of any other BZDs that have effects approaching those of Rohypnol in terms of potency and the induction of intense relaxation and euphoria?

Unfortunately, it is now very difficult to obtain this particular BZD. I used to obtain scripts for Rohypnol from my doctor in South Africa some 23 years ago -- every month, I would visit my doctor, and every month, he would refill my prescription without a second thought. Rohypnol is still legal in South Africa, but doctors who prescribe Rohypnol in South Africa are required to register their prescriptions in much the same manner as is required of doctors who prescribe BZDs in the State of New York. New York state law requires that all prescriptions for BZDs be written up on triplicate prescription blanks, and NY state law prohibits doctors from issuing refills on prescriptions for BZDs -- when the patient runs out of his or her BZD, he or she has to obtain a new prescription from the doctor concerned. Although the BZDs remain Schedule IV drugs in the State of New York, prescriptions for BZDs have to be written up on Schedule II prescription blanks. When this law was first introduced back in 1990, there was an immediate and sharp drop in the number of prescriptions written for the BZDs, and it became extremely difficult for patients to obtain these medications from their physicians. Gradually, with the passage of time (and probably because of the sustained demand, which certainly did NOT drop!), doctors in the State of New York resumed prescription of the BZDs. For some reason, the BZD of choice in the NYC area became alprazolam (Xanax). It is now possible to obtain prescriptions for alprazolam from many NY doctors, although the number of BZD prescriptions written now is still substantially lower than was the case before this law took effect almost 18 years ago. (Does anybody know why alprazolam became the BZD of choice in that state?)

I would be very interested in knowing about BZDs that are similar to Rohypnol, and I humbly request that anybody in possession of such information either post it or contact me personally. Consider the following, hypothetical scenario: a patient currently takes lorazepam for the treatment of panic attacks and severe Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD) (his daily dosage is 3 mg twice daily), and he takes nitrazepam 10 mg at night for insomnia. He obtains the lorazepam from his physician in the UK (he left South Africa more than 20 years ago due to the political situation that obtained in that country at that time), whereas he obtains the nitrazepam from an online, RELIABLE overseas service (marketed under the brand name of Novanox Forte, in packaging that appears to be printed in German).

This patient recently decided to try tetrazepam instead of lorazepam, and placed an order for tetrazepam less than a week ago. He wonders whether tetrazepam 5 mg will be similar to lorazepam 1 mg (he realizes that he may need to titrate the tetrazepam due to the extraordinarily high potency of lorazepam). Does anybody on this thread have any experience with tetrazepam? This person really wants to hear from people who have tried both lorazepam and tetrazepam, and he really wants to know which of these BZDs is the "best" in terms of efficacy, mood modulation, and induction of the general sense of wellbeing that most people experience when they take lorazepam.

By the way, something quite amusing has occurred in the State of New York. As of late 2006, all prescriptions written for all drugs for which prescriptions are required in that state now have to be written up on triplicate prescription blanks! This applies to all prescription drugs -- a script for an antibiotic such as dicloxacillin has to be written up on the same triplicate prescription blank as a script for a painkiller such as oxycodone! The law of unintended consequences has kicked in -- due to the sudden and quite literally overwhelming torrent of input, the state Health Department employees are no longer able to identify physicians who "overprescribe" the BZDs nearly as easily was was the case prior to implementation of this bizarre new state statute. Stated differently, doctors in the State of New York are now less likely to be audited for the prescription of BZDs (and of much stronger drugs such as the opioids) than was the case prior to enactment and implementation of this new law, due to the overwhelming volume of information that now has to be entered into the state Department of Health's database.

If anybody can tell me about the effects of lorazepam versus the effects of tetrazepam, or if anybody can tell me whether a drug similar to Rohypnol is currently available (or may soon become available), I would really, really like to hear from you...

Thank you,


PHILIP

[thatdude420]

My dog has tried 3 types of benzoes, not including Ambien because it's not a benzo persay.

Clonozepam was first- he tried it at 3 doses- 2mg (1mg up the nose, 1mg down the hatch), 3mg (oral), and 13mg (oral).
At 2mg, he felt extremely drunk and was falling all over the place, and had periods during the day where he couldn't remember shit.
At 3mg, he felt the same as above, but found a bed and proceeded to fall asleep with his lights and computer on.
At 13mg, he doesn't remember anything from about an hour before the party started (which is when he knows he took them), up to about 5pm the following day.

Alprazolem
My dog only did this one twice. His first time was with .5 mg and he admits he was preeety relaxed.
The second time he planned on taking 4mg, but ended up taking 28mg. He doesn't remember any of it.

Medazepam-
My dog heard it was metabolized to Diazepam at a 1:1 ratio, and proceded to take 110mg of it, whith only a slight buzz.

WHich is most euphoric? Definitely Xanax at .5mg.

[e$pe]

Top 4

Xanax
Valium
Klonopin
Temazepam

[fizzle]

OXAZEPAM (Serax). Comes in capsules in powder form, fast acting (great for sublingual administration). Tastes kinda like sugar if anything. Awesome benzo if you ask swim. Swim had some marked GG 506 with a black and red band, one on each side. Good stuff.

1. oxazepam (Serax)
2. bromazepam (Lexotanil)
3. perhaps clonazepam or alprazolam.

(not based on potency mg wise; i.e you need maybe 15mg of bromazepam but its great where 2-4mg of alprazolam is all swim needs)

[PhishinHole234]

Xanax, easily gives the best euphoria when combined
with alcohol. But Klonopins r a close second.
Ativan n Valium cause no euphoria to speak of.
SWIM has snorted bottles of all four the major
benzos in single nights before. so he is very
experinced with benzos

[rocksmokinmachine]

Then SWIY should know that combining alcohol and benzodiazepines is very dangerous and that snorting them has a very poor bioavailability.

[Bajeda]

Bromazepam (http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=414779&postcount=12) is by far the most euphoric benzodiazepine my camel has tried. He only got to try it on a few occasions so far, so its hard to make an overall evaluation, but he definitely experienced more euphoria with bromazepam than he did with any other benzo yet.

For reference, my camel has tried the following benzodiazepines: Alprazolam, Bromazepam, Clonazepam, Diazepam, Lorazepam, and Midazolam.

[highganja99]

Nitrazepam for SWIM, He remembers being in a town centre for over 4 hours waiting on a bench for his mate who SWIM lost in a shop to turn up, SWIM was popping these babys every 20mins or so, When SWIM's mate came for him, he said 'dude, I've been back to the flat for like 3 hours, you didn't turn up so I came back for you', SWIM though he was sat down for less than half an hour, after all he only had one sausage roll and a can of sprite while waiting and the can was still half full. SWIM was so peaceful, the sun was just to say out and the chill wind of the high street didn't bother SWIM because he was happy.

[songcycle67]

Sorry for not listing specific chemical names, but SWIM is new to benzos (about three years in):

SWIM started with clonopin, then xanax, and now he takes valium and feels that this drug is in a class of its own. Is SWIM the only person who prefers it? Not only does it do a far better job of calming him down, it also seems to far outweigh the euphoria illicited by Xanax and especially Clonopin (eww). It's a different kind of euphoria--more like an opiate euphoria than a "down, don't wanna do anything but druel" euphoria.

In addition he'd like to know some specifics on insufflation of Xanax and Clonopin..how much of a decrease in potency does it cause that is not due to the powder becoming stuck inside the nasal cavity? He can't insufflate the Valium because it burns like flaming hell, but he only resorted to insufflation of the others due to their lack of potency; but the Valium works just fine (at 10mg) orally.

Edit: Oops...found the sticky :(