View Full Version : Oral use - valium (Diazepam): Any advice for use?
i have recently started using (abusing) valium and i love them normally 25-30mg. i know my street drugs very well (21 year love affair) but i haven't really had much to do with scrip drugs. I am 35 yrs old and would like some informed opinions, I am a lot healthier now than i used to be (gave up cigarettes 3 yrs ago smoke a bit of pot and the odd bottle of bacardi.) I took a lot of drugs as a teen up to about thirty yrs old(lsd, speed, e, coke and skunk) but i've mellowed a lot in the last 3-4 yrs. if anybody out there could give me any dire warnings or don't worry that's cool stories i would be grateful
cheers mike.
Most downers are pretty addictive, so be carefull. What do you like about Valium? How do you experience it? Did you ever try Valerian/Baldrian? It's a pretty strong herb, that has simular effects as Valium.
i've tried valerian nasty hangover and i couldn't sleep. valium is far more subtle and i always feel great the next day. i took some a couple of years ago and quite enjoyed them, but found them quite difficult to get hold of but a friend is being prescribed them but doesn't want them so i took them off his hands 5mil tabs. I have taken heroin (3 times) methadone (once) pethadone (once) morphine (twice)i think the only drug i haven't tried is PCP and i don't want to! for about 2yrs (17-19 yrs old) i took too much LSD (about 250 tabs including pure lysergic, and the very last trip of californian window panes (3) freaked me right out and i've taken none since (a few shrooms in my twenties). At 35 i'm a lot older and wiser and feel i've got a reasonable grip on my drug taking i love my skunk but try to moderate it but i don't want to put myself at too high a health risk. where are you from alfa (country will do)? are you very experienced in drugs?
hollywood
27-09-2003, 02:31
I really like xanax a lot, too much. The thing is that they are so addictive. Valium is ok but it makes me a little to lazy. Plus the buzz is much better to me. Just be safe and watch the alcohol when you are useing........................
kava kava is a better herbal substitute than valerian root. kava kava is supposed to mimic the effect of the benzodiazapiens (klonopin, xanax, valium) i don't have experience with it, i have my own prescriptions <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley4.gif"> but i have a copuple friends that always keep a bottle of the extract around. i know they use more than what is says to, but i'm not about to offer suggested doses. i don't wanna be responsible for anyone out there. i prefer klonopin over all the rest...lasts longer!
scripted4chaos
27-04-2004, 06:56
I'm prescribed Klonopin ( I actually get it free through a patient assistance program), but it hardly does anything for my nerves. I'm afraid to ask my doctor to put me on Valium because he'll immediately think i'm into drugs. I have a high tolerance to meds even though i hardly ever used them, and I'd like to know this: If I were to hypothetically try to get some over the internet, where could I find them for really cheap, and it still be a legit source?
valiums in pakistan are sold over the counter i use them alot its very addictive coz once u leave them u get angry all the time and cant deal with poeple u are not happy and then life is not so gud other then that i love the effect i say dont use it brother if u have to then use ATIVAN
We're about the same age, and it sounds like the about same background. I've found that a lot of chems that I used to be able to imbibe in one way or the other in prodigious quantities aren't so kind to me now. I like my chems Pharm fresh for the most part--they're consistant, you know what yer getting, you don't have to worry about some dirt bag pulling a gun on you and so on.
The best advice I can offer is "Know thyself", judge dosage on your body weight, tolerance (get off while ya still can on the lower doses, why waste good drugs?) and keep track of things for a while till you feel confident enough to venture further (if you want to). Remember you can always take a little more, but the reverse is unpleasant at best. Err on the side of caution at all times. Mixing it with booze is a bad idea; best case scenario you'll puke and wake up the next morning in your neighbor's bushes, worst case, life support if somebody gets to you in time. It does mix well with weed, or to take the edge off of something that's faster than you thought it would be. It can be a lifesaver if under the influence of a psychedelic that's causing you to believe that your brain is trying to eat you, or that you're being followed by a 6 ft tall racoon packing an AK (both of these happened to me...)
I prefer xanax as well, but have yet to pass up a v. when offered. These two drugs absolutely have a huge addiction potential. When I was going thru my divorce, the kindly old Doc wrote me piles of scripts for both and coming off after an eight month binge was hellish. Massive light sensitivity, noise sensitivity, taste perversion (not the fun kind, but rather everything smelled and tasted bad), skin crawling heebie-jeebies, pissed off at everthing and everyone, just a bad scene all the way around. The way I keep that monkey from growing teeth again is to keep one or two for emergencies (my kid doing something massively stupid in school and having to go in there RIGHT NOW to talk to the same old geezer that was Dean when I was there...) and then anticipate when I'm going to want some (coming off a fast ride on the weekend, PMS, having to talk to my ex- husband). I also don't take them for more than 5 days in a row. That's just my personal system. Another downside is that when a largish amount is taken, my short term memory gets worse than it already is, I put down a teacup and somehow misplace it.
All that being said, the happies are great--nothing much bothers you, and if something does, it's handled a lot more calmly. Sort of nullifies that Circle Jerks song "Group Sex". Going thru a form of chemo right now and get yelled at for loosing too much weight. They give me a temporary appetite (esp. combined with good smoke). A fairly large amount needs to be taken (way after where you feel it just fine, which is, again, wasting good drugs) before you -look- screwed up to anybody else. V's and xanax are marvelous concoctions. Take em, but take em easy till you know how they work with and on you.
Geetered
28-07-2004, 09:10
its cool, just watch out for addicton and dont drink any(or much) alcohole with the valium
Hey everyone
SWIM was just given a french brand of Diazepam and was wondering if theres a way to get messed up on just Diazepam. SWIM dosent have any other drugs at the moment, wasted them all last night.
so if SWIM wants a good, safe time, what is the perfect starting dose?
each pill is 10MG.
sorry if these questions suck, swim just hasen't gotten into most pills yet.
swim read around the forum and saw most people just combine it with other drugs.
thanks
There is lots of info about recreational use of valium. 10-20mg should be sufficient for a pleasant, relaxed evening if SWIY has no tolerance.
My friend reccomends around 20mgs and then smoke a bowl of some good bud.
thanks
well swim dosent have any bud, so would a couple shots do the same?
Psych0naut
28-05-2006, 20:22
No!Alcohol is a CNS(Central Nervous System) depressant,And Valium is a CNS depressant as well.
CNS depressants depress breathing, mixing CNS depressants is very dangerous as they can cause resparatory failure which is fatal.
Only when SWIY is very experienced with benzodiazepines like Valium, he could estimate what might be safe enough, but it's still dangerous.
Remember this about mixing drugs, whether it be CNS stimulants or depressants:1+1=3
raven3davis
28-05-2006, 21:53
Mixing benzos with alcohol can be fun, but it is very dangerous. 10mg would be a good starting dose to "get fucked up" but 20mg will probably be a better high. Either way, you should start with 10mg and work your way up. A valium high is enjoyable but SWIM highly recommends mixing some good herb with it.
SWIM would also like to know how long they generally take to kick in.
SWIM took a full 10mg and i feel pretty good, kinda a speedy rush but expressing that feeling is not possible because swim is slighty tired.
its been an hour, so has the effect kicked in fully yet
"No!Alcohol is a CNS(Central Nervous System) depressant,And Valium is a CNS depressant as well.
CNS depressants depress breathing, mixing CNS depressants is very dangerous as they can cause resparatory failure which is fatal.
Only when SWIY is very experienced with benzodiazepines like Valium, he could estimate what might be safe enough, but it's still dangerous.
Remember this about mixing drugs, whether it be CNS stimulants or depressants:1+1=3"
Nope. Not unless we're talking about ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of Valium and alcohol. Here's a statment from the reputable medlineplus.com:
"remember that alcohol can add to the drowsiness caused by this drug"
Here's another from drugs.com:
"Avoid alcohol while taking diazepam. Alcohol may increase drowsiness and dizziness caused by diazepam. Alcohol may also increase the risk of having a seizure if diazepam is being taken for a seizure condition."
There's nothing here about respiratory failure. They just say its best to not take it with alcohol. It's only a concern if were talking about very large amounts.
Psych0naut
29-05-2006, 09:16
It doesn't have to be fatal, but it's dangerous mixing CNS depresants.
Some combinations are safer than others, but for a newbie who'd doesn't even know the recreational dosage of Valium it can be dangerous mixing them.
If SWIY is experienced with different types of benzo's and has ome toleration he could make better judgements.Just be safe.
I totally agree about mixing depressants. It's a dangerous game. But from my experience respiratory failure tends to be a major concern when it comes to opiates like heroin and oxycontin. I was just a little defensive about the valium thing cause I myself have mized valium with alcohol (no more than 20 mg of valium and four or five beers) and had good results. Maybe it's that your posted scared me into sobering up, and who wants to to that? :-)
agree too. but to answer your question propely: yes, you can defenitly get very fucked up on alcohol and diazepam. benzos alone can get you very fucked up too so theres no need taking risks and mixing with alcohol though. benzos are famous for making people do shit they would NEVER do otherwise.
thanks for all your answers....
SWIM didnt end up mixing any alcohol with them, but later on into the night smoked a bunch of bud and got extra fucked.
SWIM took a total of 20MG, one pill an hour later, and so no results. is it because SWIM too them too far apart from each other?
Nagognog2
30-05-2006, 00:44
Alcohol mixed with benzodiazepines is what is called mutually-potentiating. This is where 1 + 1 = 5. Do not mess around with this. There was a famous case some time ago. This young woman named Karen Anne Quinlan took a few valiums and then had a few gin and tonics. She ended up brain-dead in a coma. It was a big story that, like Karen, would not die. She ended up on life-support. It took many years before the courts would let her family pull the plug. By then she weighed around 30 pounds (12kg +-).
Don't make me have to read about you. Be very careful here.
thanks for all your answers....
SWIM didnt end up mixing any alcohol with them, but later on into the night smoked a bunch of bud and got extra fucked.
SWIM took a total of 20MG, one pill an hour later, and so no results. is it because SWIM too them too far apart from each other?
You didn't feel anything becuase...well...valium sucks. there, I said it. I really don't understand how someone can abuse it. It's basically a sleeping pill. I've taken alot of drugs in my time, but my experience with the drug was sub-par. I took 20mg, waited for about 20 minutes, got up from my chair, and crashed into my bed. I woke up 9 hours later and thought "what the hell?". Maybe it was the addition of alcohol?
Alcohol mixed with benzodiazepines is what is called mutually-potentiating. This is where 1 + 1 = 5. Do not mess around with this. There was a famous case some time ago. This young woman named Karen Anne Quinlan took a few valiums and then had a few gin and tonics. She ended up brain-dead in a coma. It was a big story that, like Karen, would not die. She ended up on life-support. It took many years before the courts would let her family pull the plug. By then she weighed around 30 pounds (12kg +-).
Don't make me have to read about you. Be very careful here.
But there are so many questions to ask. Did she have any prior medical conditions? How much valium did she take (mg)? How much gin and tonic did she have (I often have a glass of vodka and ice - by glass I mean a large glass filled to the top). And were there any other drugs in her sysem. I guess I'm a bit skeptical. Right now I've just taken two 10 mg valiums and a bottle of wine. I feel fine. It reminds me of that comercial that described the story of some girl who died and all that was found in her system was extacy. So? I run the risk of severe illness everytime I order something from a deli that makes food with raw eggs. It's always a crapshoot.
After reading my post let me say this: please don't assume that I'm right and that mixing these two substacnes has no negative consequences. Listen to everyone else. I'm just throwing out some alternative viewpoints. Always err on the side of caution.
SWIM wants to take Valium Ampoule as a recreational try, but SWIM doesn't know what should be the dose amount and wheather SWIM should take it IM or IV, Also SWIM wants to get any extra information regarding taking Valium Ampoule as a rectrational try.
Any Help?
Benzeneringz
25-07-2006, 02:47
From what I can tell, Valium ampules contain on average 10 milligrams of diazepam. My only advice, which comes from a sort of comical source, is this: while watching the show E.R. one day, a girl was having a seizure due to lidocaine toxicity. The doctor gave her 5 milligrams of diazepam IV to stop the seizure. Granted, the seizure didn't stop, but this is only television. What I can deduce from this, which probably has some basis in medical fact, is that 5 milligrams of IV diazepam is a somewhat high dose and COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE RECOMMENDED FOR A FIRST TIME recreational use. I'm not advocating the use of a Valium ampule since I don't have credible sources to provide, but if I could say anything with a hint of certainity is be careful and look for several concurring sources of information reguarding IV or IM diazepam. Benzodiazepines can be pretty powerful when given via IV or IM, or even PO.
*Edited by jatelka: This is potentially dangerous advice, even with the subsequant rider*
If SWIY is going to be iving benzos then they need to go supercautiously.
There is a REAL risk of unconsciousness, inability to protect one's airway, respiratory depression and hypoxia.
If one must do it then they need to titrate the dose slowly. By which SWIJ means: try 1 mg, wait a few minutes, assess response, if SWIY is not where they wish to be then try another 1mg, wait a few minutes, assess response etc
It goes without saying that SWIY should have a trip sitter who is competant to perform basic life support present.
As for determining iv diazepam doses by what SWIY has seen on TV shows? It's the most ridiculous thing SWIJ has ever heard.
jesusfreak666er
27-07-2006, 20:57
Swim cant recomend IV valium, go for IM swim has done that several times when he had it available. start slow, move up even slower
Fantasian
27-07-2006, 21:11
SWIF was almost sure that IM Diazepam caused major health problems. Anyways In relation to IV injection the dosages should not be more than 5mg per minute and that is considering it is within a hospital under close observation. To a maxiumum of 20mg per 4 hours.
SWIF would if he was practicing this do it much much slower.
IM diazepam is potentially very irritant, and cannot really be considered any safer than iv.
An alternative (likely to be much safer than iv or im) is rectal administration. Start with a third of the usual oral dose and proceed from there.
Forthesevenlakes
28-07-2006, 12:13
IM diazepam is potentially very irritant, and cannot really be considered any safer than iv.
An alternative (likely to be much safer than iv or im) is rectal administration. Start with a third of the usual oral dose and proceed from there.and as anyone who has browsed the benzo threads knows, there's a wealth of information on rectal administration there :cool:
jesusfreak666er
28-07-2006, 16:45
Swim's bottles of Diazapam said for IV or IM use, swim most point out it is not the most pleasant injection and can burn a lil, but not overwhelmingly and only for a few minutes
Benzeneringz
01-08-2006, 19:44
*Edited by jatelka: This is potentially dangerous advice, even with the subsequant rider*
I'd like to point out that my post didn't advocate using diazepam ampules. Rather, I was warning against a dose higher than 5 milligrams IF one chose to administer IV diazepam. The 2006 PDR, as well as www.wikipedia.org (http://www.wikipedia.org) recommends a dose of 2-10 milligrams for panic attacks and even higher doses for painful muscle conditions.
This topic really helped alot... thanks everyone.
If u have any further information please share.
allyourbase
03-09-2006, 09:21
in the psych ward they hold you down with a big plastic sheet and shoot it in your ass. so Id say intramuscularly. a high dose shouldnt be so much of a concern if one shoots it in a muscle large enough to release the dose over time. most Ive personally been hit with is 15 mg.
csharpprogrammer
13-11-2006, 20:10
When SWIM was committed and got out of control they restrained SWIM and asked SWIM what to give SWIM to calm down. SWIM told them to give SWIM 10 mg diazepam, but they didn't have any so they told SWIM they would give SWIM 2 mg lorazepam, which is equivalent to 10 of Valium. Benzodiazepines are very safe drugs... 10 mg IV will make you very sedated, but the most dangerous part of SWIY's experiment will be the injection itself.
Riconoen {UGC}
13-11-2006, 20:46
Iv lorezepam is a gas. got it at the hospital once, swim was on cloud nine. ahh if only swim could get some IV lorezepam or valium.
Psych0naut
13-11-2006, 22:07
IV lorazepam is just crystaline lorazepam in solution, no benzo exists in gas form.
Riconoen {UGC}
13-11-2006, 23:25
It was an ajective meaning it was fun not that it was literally a gas.
BTW, it bears mentioning in any benzo "recreation" thread:
Benzos by themselves are pretty safe, and even a really high dose isn't typically dangerous IF you aren't mixing them with anything else.
Add a single other 'downer' (opiates, kratom, alcohol, kava, even benadryl or OTC cold medicines) and those same safe benzos become potentially deadly. Don't ever mix stuff with benzos, especially alcohol. If you do, you are playing Russian Roulette and *will* eventually hit a loaded chamber and depart this plane of existence. Your body will be found by others, probably face down in its own puke. Don't do this to people you care about.
psilocybin
15-04-2007, 01:34
SWIM is recovering from gbl addiciton and has got a one time prescription of valium, enough for 3 5mg tabs a day for 9 days, however anxiety is still very bad. he has now (stupidly) used up 12 of these in one day and is still anxious, still has insomnia and is quite confused as to why nothing much is happening.. should SWIM be concerned by this. SWIM has never used a benzo before so should have no tolerance
psy,
valium as a benzo affects the gaba pathway in the brain... recognise these 4 letters? ghb/gbl both pass the blood brain barrier and affect the same thang... so i would expect (this is a shot in the dark) that swiy has a tolerance already....
dont worry, dont overdo it and possibly get a higher dose from the doctors...
:)
madmatt3d
02-07-2007, 12:36
wow thats kinda scary.
swim didnt know the dangers of mixing CNS depressents.
Swim drank 11 beers and took 20 mg of diazepam 2 days ago. Is swim lucky he is alive? lol
Orchid_Suspiria
02-07-2007, 13:27
But there are so many questions to ask. Did she have any prior medical conditions? How much valium did she take (mg)? How much gin and tonic did she have (I often have a glass of vodka and ice - by glass I mean a large glass filled to the top). And were there any other drugs in her sysem. I guess I'm a bit skeptical. Right now I've just taken two 10 mg valiums and a bottle of wine. I feel fine. It reminds me of that comercial that described the story of some girl who died and all that was found in her system was extacy. So? I run the risk of severe illness everytime I order something from a deli that makes food with raw eggs. It's always a crapshoot.
Just because swiy gets away with doing something potentially dangerous once it doesn't mean swiy always will.The dangers of alcohol and benzodiazepines are well documented,how can swiy be skeptical?
someone111
03-07-2007, 04:42
swim is about to start taking valium to help him off his tramadol and coke addiction.... well swim just wanted to see what powers valium realy had b4 he started useing them so he took 80mg of valium and he doesnt remember much that night but he was realy high.... people are saying swim did stuff he dont even no about so im thinkin valium can be a strong drug and also make you forget shit.... swim is still thinkin long and hard about what all he did that night
swim is about to start taking valium to help him off his tramadol and coke addiction.... well swim just wanted to see what powers valium realy had b4 he started useing them so he took 80mg of valium and he doesnt remember much that night but he was realy high.... people are saying swim did stuff he dont even no about so im thinkin valium can be a strong drug and also make you forget shit.... swim is still thinkin long and hard about what all he did that night
Swim expexts swiys vals will help mightily with swiys quit, just make sure to stop once swiy feels ready that swiys other withdrawals are past their worst... UTFSE... no one wants a benzo addiction.
someone111
06-07-2007, 04:44
swim just realy has to get off this tramadol its crazy now.... swim dont think he will have to worry about a benzo addiction because he realy wants to stop drugs
wow thats kinda scary.
swim didnt know the dangers of mixing CNS depressents.
Swim drank 11 beers and took 20 mg of diazepam 2 days ago. Is swim lucky he is alive? lol
It's not likely that SWiY would die from that, but it is possible. Stan used to abouse benzo's bigtime and 200-300 mg's of diazepam in combination with alcohol would have been considered normal at that time. Far higher amounts of different benzo's has also been taken by Stan in one day. He survived, though eventually he wished that he had not. Other's have died from quite low amounts in combination with alcohol. This is not safe.
Orchid_Suspiria
06-07-2007, 07:42
It's a good thing benzodiazepines exist now and barbirturates are not more common or even more people would be dying from this sort of behavior.Ofcourse benzodiazepines do have their dangers and are by no means 100% safe.Please be careful when it comes to mixing CNS depressants of any kind people!
swim is about to start taking valium to help him off his tramadol and coke addiction.... well swim just wanted to see what powers valium realy had b4 he started useing them so he took 80mg of valium and he doesnt remember much that night but he was realy high.... people are saying swim did stuff he dont even no about so im thinkin valium can be a strong drug and also make you forget shit.... swim is still thinkin long and hard about what all he did that night
Careful, getting off a hardcore benzo addiction will make getting off coke or tramadol seem like childsplay.
someone111
07-07-2007, 04:40
when swim took that 80mg he got realy high.... when swim starts takin it to get off his addiction he will take 10mg 3 times a day.... he wont be using it long just long enough to make it threw tramadol withdrawal