Injecting Diazepam (or other benzo) Pills

[Beltane]

Say a person had a prescription for Xanax, a penchant for needles and a
proclivity for doing things a little bit different. Any thing you
can do to xanax that would allow you to use a needle as the delivery
vehicle.



I ask b/c a friend told me recently that certain drugs feel much
different depending on how they're administered, i.e. coke, K, meth,
etc.



Thanks-



- B

[korky8097]

i dont believe it is water soliable, as well with many benzos. I
think its possible somehow due to the fact of there being valium
injections and stuff, but im not sure. Im sure somebody could
elaborate.

[Creeping Death]

I dont think that benzoos are water soluable. That hasnt stopped me in the past, but you'll get lots of filler materials and pill residue in your bloodstream. Shitty for the body. I wouldnt do it if i were you.

Crush the xanax and snort it instead. Only snort about half of what you normally swallow at first, since overdosing is alot easier with unconventional methods.

[BrandonAA]

Beltane, this is coming from previous experiance using name brand xanax 1mg's and generic 1mg's and trying with a needle. first off, it didn't really even cook up all the way, at least not the way smack cooks in your spoon. and its a fact that there is alot of filler such as dyes, sugars and some other nonsense (look up your specific pill's ingrediants). also when i tried to use a filter to draw it into the syringe, so much material stayed and caked on the spoon and in the cotton.


xanax is great orally. make sure you have an empty stomach and 2 - 3 beers will go a long way.

[raven3davis]

I would just stick with eating it, unless you have an injectable solution. Snorting it tasts horrible and doesnt intensify the high very much IMO, which is why I recommend to just eat it.

[Darkotic]

Can a Valium tablet be injected???



If so, IV or IM?



Thanx

[spacinout]

No, and there are too many reasons not too. I'm too lazy
to go into it. Just realize that you should never inject any pill, b/c
of binders and fillers and such. If you want to iv or im diazepam you
would have to use it directly out of a lvial or ampoule that is already
prepared for injecting in a liquid solution.

I did it 3 days in a row last earlier this week.
It's a nice way to experience diazepam. Anyway, sorry about the rant,
but the answer is no. Not safe at all.

[Fantasian]

but getting vials and such is almost impossible without very significant connections, not that im going into sourcing here, just noting

[kreden]

Can a Valium tablet be injected???



If so, IV or IM?



Thanx
Tablet should not be injected. Tablet is for oral use.
Valium vials can be injected IM.

[Fantasian]

thanks for the help

[Jeyez]

Personally i have access to both pill and injectable, injecting it burns, to say the least. It burns a shit load, i did go IM not IV but i hear that burns too. but definately dont inject a pill unless u got some serious chemist skillz and u know how to isolate the benzodiazapine without the fillers.

[788.4]

It sounds to me like you should just stick with swallowing it, at least until you learn enough about the chemistry inolved in making a pill suitable for injection.

But to satify some of your curiosity.....

Valium comes in two forms, tablet and an injectable solution. Although both of them contain the same active ingredient, diazepam, there are major differences between the inactive ingredients in each preparation.


Obviously a tablet is designed for oral use and an injection is designed for IM and/or IV use (Valium Injection is designed for both IM and IV).

If you isolated diazepam from Valium Tablets and then mix it with something that is both injectible and a good solvent of diazepam then you would have injectible Valium.

Some guy tried this awhile ago:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5383&highlight=grapeseed+oil

His last post ever was in that thread. It was just after he claimed that he injected 60mg of Valium IM, which is a lot. I think it takes a lot more to OD on, but 60mg of Valium IM would knock you out for awhile.

I know very little about creating injectible solutions and have never tried to isolate any benzodiazepine from a pill. However, I think there are better injectible solvents of diazepam out there than grapeseed oil and his purification method seems a little lacking.

[Wyborowa]

alright, i have in my possesion 3 5mg valiums, manufactured by Mylan. I'm wondering if i can finely crush one up, mix with water, and inject it mainstream. And if i can't do it with water, is there any other solution i can mix it with so it will easily flow into the syringe?

i tried this with xanax, but i got about only half of the liquid in my vein, i guess a peice of xanax got stuck in the needle...


thanks!!

[Nahbus]

you sure you want all those binders and other craps in your direct bloodstream?
I would just sublingual them.

[Wyborowa]

you sure you want all those binders and other craps in your direct bloodstream?
I would just sublingual them. yea, i just want to try it once...so is it possible with water or not??? or some other solution??

[Richard_smoker]

If you're really considering this, then pull up the water cold (not hot--or else binders and all will be dissolved in hot water--then re-form in your relatively 'cool' bloodstream, leading to possible emboli and terrible effects.)
NEXT: push the cold valium-liquid through a .2 micron filter into a sterile vial or into your next syringe. this will trap bacteria and spores (and any particles of shit you don't want).

if you don't know what a filter is, just do a google search. you'll find what you need. -Dick

[Wyborowa]

If you're really considering this, then pull up the water cold (not hot--or else binders and all will be dissolved in hot water--then re-form in your relatively 'cool' bloodstream, leading to possible emboli and terrible effects.)
NEXT: push the cold valium-liquid through a .2 micron filter into a sterile vial or into your next syringe. this will trap bacteria and spores (and any particles of shit you don't want).

if you don't know what a filter is, just do a google search. you'll find what you need. -Dick So i use the cold-water extraction for valium? The same way you would do it with tabs, but with less water obviously so it will fit in a syringe..?

[motorhead]

Before i crash tonite I gotta advise you to search the forum for safe injecting practices Wybo. It sounds like you are fairly new to the needle. play safe. And i gotta say that valium and xanax arent really worth the risks of recreational iv use.

[Wyborowa]

Before i crash tonite I gotta advise you to search the forum for safe injecting practices Wybo. It sounds like you are fairly new to the needle. play safe. And i gotta say that valium and xanax arent really worth the risks of recreational iv use.actually, i was a heroin addict for 8 months, so i kno what i'm doing with needles. But what i don't kno is how to do it with other drugs....


anotehr question, since suboxone is taken sublingually, can it be taken rectally? if i can, whould i crush it up, mix with water, then boot it up the butt? or can i just shove them sweet orange pills right on up?(<

[motorhead]

actually, i was a heroin addict for 8 months, so i kno what i'm doing with needles.

right on then. It was just that by your post it came off to me like you were a noob. No worries, but dont be shy to elaborate your posts a little, give some background info, reasons for your questions, etc.(o ya and utfse)
Now that i know this it sounds like you miss the excitement of rigging up. If you've kicked the junk I would'nt bother with the rig, even if you just gonna shoot water, because its just more temptation to put junk in the barrel next time. Just because if you were on the H I assume you dont want to go back. Know what i mean. Heres an interesting thread on the subject. hooked on the needle (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9400). Welcome to the forum. cheers

[Jatelka]

There are many threads about injecting Benzos (and wiseness therof). Here are a couple of good ones:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5383&highlight=grapeseed+oil

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5948&highlight=Benzo+Inject

You have to bear in mind that crushed pills are not the way forward. The have fillers/binders/crap and this WILL result in DVT/PE. Pills are meant for eating! Not snorting/injecting etc (although jury seems to be out on plugging)

Be safe: Just take the benzos (orally)

[C.D.rose]

Personally i have access to both pill and injectable, injecting it burns, to say the least. It burns a shit load, i did go IM not IV but i hear that burns too. but definately dont inject a pill unless u got some serious chemist skillz and u know how to isolate the benzodiazapine without the fillers. hi..
this might be due to the fact that such injections should be given slowly - a regular 2ml (= 10mg) vial of diazepam is supposed to be administered over a time of two minutes (this applies to i.v., can't say exactly about i.m.).. SWICDR doubts, but cannot say exactly whether this is usually done, especially in emergency situations, but at least it's what is recommended. if given more rapid, it is likely to burn around the place where you injected it.
how were the experiences with i.v. valium? SWICDR has access to vials, but he's not sure whether he should go for it and do one.

*SWICDR should kindly avoid self incrimination: Thankyou :) *

Jeyez is banned which is why his post hasn't been edited

[Jatelka]

Diazepam is particularly irritant to veins because it is not particularly soluble in water and is suspended in an oily colloid (at least where SWIJ is). IM is likely to be particularly uncomfortable (irritant plus relatively large volume to be injected). If SWICDR hase access to vials then she would recommend rectal administration as a much safer way of administration (see multiple other threads).

If SWICDR persists in the path of iv then SWIJ will do her usual counselling:

Injecting is fine in a medical environment with aseptic technique: But are you going to be able to manage that every single time (all the time)? Is your gear going to be sterile (including water)? When engaged in drug-taking it is difficult to manage this 100% and if you don't do it 100% we're talking HIV, HBV and HCV. Not to mention the abscesses and emboli.

IV benzos carry a significant risk of respiratory depression and periods of anoxia (we're talking brain-damage here). Why do you think there's always an antidote available in a medical environment?

Do not take this post to be against iv administration. Just a warning of what can happen.

She has a single experience of iv benzo's (midazolam). She had a trusted sitter and the dose was titrated carefully. She was benzo naive at the time and used approx 1mg every 5 mins until 6mg were reached: At this point she was euphoric, sedated and having hallucinations. She felt very sexual. Her sitter (female) reports that she was rather "frisky" also;)

The entire experience lasted approx 45 mins, with about an hour of grogginess after and a headache shortly after that. A degree of amnesia was present, but she retained the flavour of her experience. Overall it is not something she would repeat.

It goes without saying that iv administration and alcohol are EVEN MORE not recommended than "benzos plus alcohol" usually is.

It also goes without saying that "IV administration of benzos" relates only to pharmaceutical vials that have been acquired. You cannot iv pills (even crushed up finely) they are full of fillers and other crap and you will get an embolus (see also multiple other threads)

Peace X

[Alicia]

- and if you don't do it 100% we're talking HIV. -
Hiv cannot be picked up unless i.v or i.m needles are shared, or u fuck some someone who is hiv positive. or share cutting materials with another self harmer. who happens to be Hiv + if im wrong do correct me.

(SWIA isn't wrong, but given that SWICDR had not stated that he would be exclusively injecting alone SWIJ thought she might as well remind him of the potential for problems in this area)

Im not denying other infections that can be caused and carried using filthy methods of Iv. thou, but if one is careful they take the time to do

[bonghed]

to keep it short yea but not safe and not worth trying, better just eating from personnel exp. If you really wanna try it though. it's easy to find a guide, www.heroinhelper.com (http://www.heroinhelper.com) has one. (link to site not exact page, easy peasy to find though). Be safe. (means don't do it) or safe as possible

[ben s]

so are you saying that it is impossible to inject diazepam 10 mg tabs , if crushed up and made into a soliuble solution ??

[Jatelka]

so are you saying that it is impossible to inject diazepam 10 mg tabs , if crushed up and made into a soliuble solution ??

It would be VERY dangerous and really not worth the risk. Pills are full of binders and other crap that SWIY really doesn't want to be shooting. Introducing particulate material into veins is asking for a thrombosis/embolus.

Additionally: Valium (and most other benzos) simply AREN'T soluble in water.

There is another thread here on the wiseness of injecting benzos:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17082

It has also been covered many times before elsewhere. Has SWIY UTSFE?

[bonghed]

Diazepam can ber injected. And safest known method easily found on google, or heroinhelper but no rush and a couple benzo's provide a rush and are (to me) more enjoyable to inject. Bio-availabilty = eat valium. I wouldn't waste my viens in my opinion.

[PartyBoy]

Swim injected sobril (oxazepam) once and that was no problem at all

[rxbandit]

what if swim had say diazepam and aprazolam crystals with no binders whatsoever, how would swim prepare a good solution to IV?

[Tappy]

I to am interested in the answer to mr. bandits question. SWIM has 99.9 percent pure alprazolam, and isnt against the idea of IM injection. SWIM doesnt trust himself enough for interveniouse injection. Will most likely go with sublingual.

[Creeping Death]

Swim has shot valium once. It was difficult to get it to solve in the water, but it worked.

Swim wouldnt do it again, since he reads it can be dangerous to inject pills. Its dangerous to inject mostly because of the other materials in the pills, wich the bloodstream is not good at handling. There are perscription valium ampoules however wich are safe to use.

[Psych0naut]

Only a couple of benzodiazepines are soluble in water, if their salt form(midazolam, flurazepam), the rest are dissolved in benzyl alcohol.
SWIM doesn't think their are any prescription valium ampoules, because they probaply have to be administered by a trained person.

[merseyloyalist]

Swim can get valium ampoules brand name Valpam in 2ml amps at 5mg/ml from Egypt,and knows valium is often injected in mental health setting in the UK for people who lose the plot(butt the wall,kick off ect).Swim wouldn't inject valium tablets because of binders in them,and only knows of people in UK injecting the old temazapam jellied caps which are not available on NHS now.Swim has contemplated gettin ampoules for methadone withdrawl tho.

[Micklemouse]

Valium is rarely if ever used I.M. in mental health settings these days - lorazepam (Ativan) is the favoured benzo for rapid sedation under restraint in extreme circumstances. Valium can be used I.M. for the control of severe panic attacks, acute anxiety (although A Certain Mouse has never come across this in practice) & acute alcohol withdrawal , as well as status epilecticus. Interestingly it is also licensed, & actually recommended clinically (note the emphasis there - more on this later), for slow intravenous injection into a large vein at a rate of 5mg/minute; however Intravenous diazepam is effective but it is associated with a high risk of thrombophlebitis (reduced by using an emulsion formulation) (source - BNF 52).

The BNF recommends that I.M. is used only when oral or I.V. routes are not available - this is down to the speed of onset: 1-5 minutes I.V, 15-30 I.M.; given the conditions it is recommended for in injectable form this is understandable. However given that the BNF is talking about clinical situations, which require fast action (in the case of status epilepticus & alcohol withdrawal to possibly save lives) I feel this advice should be reversed here - in a clinical setting there is a risk:benefit ratio, which in this case the risk is worth taking, & if the shit hits the fan can be resolved quickly in the majority of cases; in a recreational setting the risk is not worth it. We are not about resolving medical emergencies here, we are about avoiding them; as stated above there is a high risk of embolism when injected I.V.. Close (i.e. 1:1, sober) observation is also necessary after I.V. Diazepam.

In short, Do not use them intravenous unless your marmoset has access to a drip & a trained nurse.

As has been said there are few benzo's effectively soluble in water, & the fillers would appear to be notoriously hard to separate, so again do your homework first - I'm sure this has been covered elsewhere on the forum. Remember kittlings, embolisms aint fun! Play safe!

Sidenote - speaking of embolisms, the jellies were taken off the market because people were injecting them & dieing from - embolisms.

[merseyloyalist]

swim has seen it used in a mental health setting when swim was on loon ward waiting to go to detox ward someone was butting the wall,the nurses in white coats appeared in great numbers to restrain said person and administered the valium IM,I don't know why jellies were taken off the market but it wouldn't take a genious especially with scale of jelly prob in specific parts of UK.Swim remembers the green jellies,they look like little rugby balls,but swim never been one for injecting tablets/caps,dangerous imo

[Micklemouse]

Again, more likely lorazepam, but different Trusts & doctors have different preferences & practices. NICE guidelines recommend lorazepam. Out of interest, how long ago was this? Practice may well have changed since.

From the NICE Guidelines

1.5.6.1 The intramuscular (IM) preparations recommended for use in rapid tranquillisation are lorazepam, haloperidol and olanzapine. Wherever possible, a single agent is preferred to a combination.
1.5.6.2 When rapid tranquillisation is urgently needed, a combination of IM haloperidol and IM lorazepam should be considered.
1.5.6.3 IM diazepam is not recommended for the pharmacological control of behavioural disturbances in people with schizophrenia.
From DONCASTER AND SOUTH HUMBER HEALTHCARE NHS TRUST rapid tranquilisation policy.

IM Diazepam should not be used due to pain on injection and inconsistent rate of absorption.Apologies for veering off topic folks!

[Micklemouse]

That was an eon ago in terms of progress & research in mental health nursing & pharmacy in Briton. I'd be very surprised if anywhere were still using it for that purpose, although some Trusts do still have provision for I.V. in seriously extreme circumstances. Have never come across it being used however - I.M. haloperidol or clopixol acuphase in conjunction with lorazepam usually calms even the most disturbed patient enough to be nursed effectively, at least until a contingency plan or transfer to a more secure environment can be arranged.

Now, back to our scheduled programme...

[dietrich]

I would avoid injecting anything that wasn't meant to be injected, ie tablets in general, but diazepam wouldn't be at the top of SWIM list. as said ample times above, benzos in general don't dissolve well in water.


there are a few exceptions however, flunis (thats what they are called here, basically rohypnol or ruffis(spelling?) is solluble in water... but it takes a looooong to time to boil the green stuff out of the tablets. and... do you really want to inject something green???

diazepam only dissovles to a small degree, at least the generic ones here... 10mg blue. still a waste in my mind however. in COLD water cuz of the lactose binders. again... inject something blue??? probably not a good idea in either case.
clonazepam, klonipin, rivotril (here) are NOT solluble in water. don't even waste your time.
take the damn pills...thats what they were made for. imho

[ojos_de_brujo]

When Swim was a stupid fuckhead addicted to valium combined with alcohol, she did manage to inject valium IM. Swim doesn't remember the effects and kicks her head against the wall for ever having been so dumb. Amazingly Swim is still alive.
Swim makes excuses for herself saying at the time she did not have an internet connection (or a working brain).
Swim did not know many basics then, and did not know valium withdrawal even existed untill running out of pills. She had never, and hopefully never will again, experienced such a horrible thing. Makes this labrat's heroin withdrawals be remembered as a picknick in the park. The rat didn't at all know valium withdrawal could be dangerous.

Take a rats advice: DON'T. Just don't.

[kizevin]

anotehr question, since suboxone is taken sublingually, can it be taken rectally? if i can, whould i crush it up, mix with water, then boot it up the butt? or can i just shove them sweet orange pills right on up?(<

In a word, yes. SWIM Once had a gigantic oral syringe (no point, just a plastic tip) for washing out where his wisdom teeth were. SWIM then filled up the rig with warm water, crushed up an 8mg tablet of suboxone, put the plunger back on, swirled it around to get it mixed together, and shot the solution up his butt. However, SWIM says that they are just as powerful when taken sublingually. Some may argue, and I've heard they're twice as powerful when you do them rectally, but I think I'd go by SWIM's assesment.

[Morphium]

I am not quite sure of about all the benzos, but I know most benzo pills cannot be ever injected.

Just read about the havoc temazepam (i call it the heroin of the benzos) injecting has done to ppl.

[Sickpup]

In the US one can get a prescription for 5mg/10ml auto-injecting versed(midazolam) supposed to be used to treat seizures in out-patient emergency.Probably a family member administers it while ems is otw.But anyone who could get that script deserves a medal.It must be the hardest c-4 to get.But SWIM has gone to a pharmacy and verified they had it in stock and did dispense it with a script.

[brook]

Hello all, i'd have to agree. swim was thinking of dong the same... so they read up on it.... just crushing the pill and cooking is no good. for reasons given above.
there are wheel filters that fix onto the end of a barrel that can extract most of the shit... but you would be left with less active ingredient... it is possible, if done properly (i cannot stress enough, dont just bang any old thing into your vein) but it is just not worth it... there are better things to stick yourself with..... ;)

[pillz]

ok, so reading through the posts... since diazepam isnt soluble in water(assuming that the fillers are soluble), then do a water extraction so swiy gets pure diazepam. then put the pure diazepam in oil(or something else)so the diazepam diassolves. is this correct? it seems to make sense

[brook]

in theory, but the oil wont be IVable, it would have to be IM at most and this would have to be sterile of course, not just sunflower oil!! and maybe an alcohol ethenate.. to make it injectable, i dunno, just thinking steroids here at the mo...!

[mrphucker]

short answer no,an aquantice lost a leg by injecting temazepam and a friend aasnf far off losing his through thesame method

[kapten]

Firstly, Injection of benzos in water is not safe. The following is for research purposes only to help increase safety, as users are still going to try to inject regardless of warnings....

So ..

SWIM found the following commercial recipe for IM diazepam at
http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?id=3729&type=display

Each milliliter (mL) contains 5 mg diazepam; 40% propylene glycol; 10% alcohol; 5% sodium benzoate and benzoic acid added as buffers; and 1.5% benzyl alcohol added as a preservative. pH 6.6 (6.2 to 6.9).

SWIM decided to make a 3ml solution for research purposes as follows:

3 x 5 mg diazepam tablets crushed finely
1.2 ml propylene glycol USP grade, sterilized
1 ml of 80% grain alcohol (commercial recipe said .3ml of ethanol but swim thought more would ensure better solubility - possible problem 1)
Ph was checked and was between 6 and 7
So SWIM decided to omit the addition of 1.5g of sodium benzoate (pure) (possible problem 2)
All was well mixed and filtered through .2 micron filter wheel

SWIM did a test IM injection of one or two drops and it STUNG like nothing else !

Rectal users note:
SWIM mixed with milk and administered rectally and this is the only time this route has worked for SWIM. So using the above solvents make a BIG difference in SWIM's opinion for rectal administration.

SWIM assumes that the excess ethanol and ommittance of sodium benzoate is what caused the pain, not the pH as it was roughly neutral. Any comments or suggestions for SWIM ?

SWIM will try again following the recipe more closely and post results soon.

[kapten]

Well SWIM tried again with 15mg diazepam, 1.2 ml propylene glycol, 0.4 ml of 80% ethanol and .15g of sodium benzoate.

Unfortunately it still stung SWIM after a small test push I.M. SWIM stopped and admininstered rectally.

Perhaps oil based injections do hurt intra muscularly ..

Can anyone advise ?

[kapten]

After a lot of googling, SWIM found that diazepam and propylene glycol often cause pain IM. Most sites recomend deep muscle injection if going IM.

The following pdf discusses ativan injection both IM and IV in propylene glycol and list pain statistics related to both routes.

http://www.baxter.com/products/anesthesia/anesthetic_pharmaceuticals/downloads/ativan.pdf

From reading the above, the best way to go is to dilute the filtered mixture with an equal amount of a suitable liquid such as sterile water or sterile sodium chloride solution, mix very well and inject IV - SLOWLY!!

[Jatelka]

Please optimize the pdf and upload it to the file archive Kapten.

[kapten]

I have put that pdf in the archive. I also found the following page for those without adobe acrobat.

This site discusses in length the pain associated with propylene glycol :
http://www.anesthesia-analgesia.org/cgi/content/full/95/5/1297

Unless one has access to a local anathaestic (sp?), it seems diluting with sterile water to NaCl solution is the best option.

SWIM will soon post the results of IV injection after diluting 50% with sterile water .

[kapten]

Here is the link to the archived file for those interested:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/local_links.php?action=jump&id=2550&catid=27

[kapten]

BINGO ! Well SWIM simply crushed her 2 5mg diazepams, added .8ml of propylene glycol, .25ml of 80% everclear, 1ml of sterile water mixed thoroughly and filtered. SWIM was using a 3ml syringe to topped up with extra water solution.

Guess what ? IV injection using properly dissolved diazepam in propylene glycol without any sting at all ! And SWIM informs me that it felt veeeery nice anc cruisy...

SWIM guesses that IM would also be close to painless, but if you read my previous posts, the experts say IM can cause problems.

Yeeha !

[kapten]

SWIM says that IM is still quite painful but tolerable.
There are several OTC medications containing benzocaine and lidocaine. If anyone has qualified experience using any of these, please post here.

[Fantasian]

It also goes without saying that "IV administration of benzos" relates only to pharmaceutical vials that have been acquired. You cannot iv pills (even crushed up finely) they are full of fillers and other crap and you will get an embolus (see also multiple other threads)


Please listen to Advice previously stated. The above is very true and the above post shows this has been ignored.

[Fantasian]

If SWIF were to happen to come upon a Diazepam vial (the white oily one) what would be the correct way to administer intravenously?

Around 1ml per 1minute through a large vein via slow bolus?

SWIF has a trainee doctor and a qualified nurse with him.

Any advice from people with knowledge greatly appreciated.

[Bell]

Hi :waves: I'm a newb.
I was wondering if there is a way to disolve klonopin wafers and inject it?, and if so whats the best way to do this? And whats a safe dose? I currently am on 2mg wafers. It also says its a Civ..sometold me then it safe to inject but he knows Im gullible, and could have been teasing me ;). I have an experienced friend I do all injectables with so I would have someone with me that knows what they are doing and could help me with the process.

Also and just by taking them orally whats the safest max amount for the adverage size person?

I've searched the net everywhere and could not find any info what so ever on injection. Any help would be the best, and much apreciated.
-Bell

[Bell]

damn i was way off I ment to say swim's on klonopin 2mg wafers and wanted me to find all this info for him...I wish i could have editited it :( man it sucks being a noob. I'm so sorry (now i feel like an asshat) someone p.m. if i can edit or deleat this post and rewrite.

[rocksmokinmachine]

NO NO NO. It is very dangerous to inject pills of any kind. Use these orally ot sublingually, does SWIY really want to inject corn starch and lactose? The fillers will likely coagulate in SWIY's blood.

[Bell]

the cotton wouldn't catch the starch and such? There made to instantly dissolve when u pop them in your mouth. They are not in hard pill form. I'm sure swim would still have fun just popping a few but He's got an oxy habit so he prefers the needle. Thanks so much for all the help I'm glad I found this forum. Swim likes to be educated before he trys something new He really appreciates it

[rocksmokinmachine]

I hope SWIY does not inject oxycodone either... The wax coating on Oxycontin could cause SWIY very serious damage. If SWIY continues injecting these he will probably end up dead. Pills are made to be swallowed. Read the thread on injecting pills. It is huged and countless people have been warned about doing this. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but this site is about educating people and harm reduction, it would be sad to loose a member

[Bell]

I couldnt find anything in there about wafers though :(..im sure its probably in there and i keep missing it.

These are Klonopin wafers they are made to instantly dissolve in water.

They do contain 0.56 mgs phenylketonurics wich is an ameno acid
i also found it also contains gelatin, mannitol, methylparaben sodium, propylparaben sodium and xanthan gum

how about the safety of those on the vains?

[Bell]

I hope SWIY does not inject oxycodone either... The wax coating on Oxycontin could cause SWIY very serious damage. If SWIY continues injecting these he will probably end up dead. Pills are made to be swallowed. Read the thread on injecting pills. It is huged and countless people have been warned about doing this. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but this site is about educating people and harm reduction, it would be sad to loose a member

Oh no you suck the pill for a bit and the wax comes right off. But I'll deff look into this as yeah id like to have my vains for a few more years lol

[rocksmokinmachine]

The same goes for wafers, these are all extremely damaging to the veins. Seriously, injecting pills can kill.

[Solinari]

The following is something SWIM should never have done, and regrets doing, SWIM doesn't recommend doing this cause it really is crazy and could cause serious problems.

SWIM has injected Valium and Xanax a few times, they would crush up the tablets with two spoons (5 or 6 10mg tablets) as fine as possible. Then with a improvised funnel (using a bit of paper with a 45° cut), the powder would be put into a 2ml barrel after pulling out the plunger (it's more like 3ml). Then the plunger is put back in and pushed towards the end of the syringe.

The 25 gauge (i think blue ones anyway) was put on and the water drawn up filling about half the syringe then the rest with air, then shaking vigorously the mixture would be turned in to an 'emulsion'. More water would be added to thin the mixture and then injected in a vein.

SWIM has done this a good few times, dozens maybe and it's some hit but it's crazy, and SWIM won't be doing it again unless SWIM found some Wheel Filters (http://www.quihn.org.au/wheel_filters_drugs_injecting.htm) which is unlikely, so SWIM won't do it again.

SWIM is a heroin addict and SWIM has had one or two 'dirty hits' which is very unpleasant, but SWIM never had a 'dirty hit' from IV'ing valium. Never the less it's crazy and at worst could even cause a stroke or heart attack.

Unless you can dissolve the diazepam, or filter out the shite, don't do it, it's too dodgy.

Can i not edit?

SWIM hasn't done this for about a year, maybe longer. I just pray that it didn't cause any long term problems that might show up later on. SWIM didn't do this every week, but SWIM has done it a good few times.

As i said SWIM regrets this and doesn't recommend it. Don't do it, take your valium or whatever with a hot drink, crush them with your front teeth (or they will stick to your back teeth) and they will be absorbed a bit faster. You could even make up the mixture and stick it up your ass if you are that way inclined. SWIM hasn't tried this but since 'shafting' is probably 2nd to IV/IM'ing, i imagine it would be a pretty fast hit and probably just as intense, well maybe not quite as intense.

[Agent Subby]

swim has seen it used in a mental health setting when swim was on loon ward waiting to go to detox ward someone was butting the wall,the nurses in white coats appeared in great numbers to restrain said person and administered the valium IM,I don't know why jellies were taken off the market but it wouldn't take a genious especially with scale of jelly prob in specific parts of UK.Swim remembers the green jellies,they look like little rugby balls,but swim never been one for injecting tablets/caps,dangerous imo

SWIM remembers temaze caps being liquid inside but the powers that be decided to replace the liquid with jelly instead. SWIM thinks a stupid idea because peeps still injected solution and if an artery was hit by mistake then limbs were amputated.:(

[Solinari]

The jellies as they were known stopped coming in a liquid filled capsule purely because people were melting them and injecting them. There was this one case where a guy lost a leg because of constant injecting of temazepam capsules, in fact he might have even lost both legs.

Then he injected the liquid in his EYE, yes that's right, he lost at least one leg then injected the stuff in his eye ball. I read it on Wikipedia (not the most reliable of sources) but there is a link to the case that seems to be legit, it even shows a picture of the guys eye, it is called xxxx, just scroll down and you will see it. The guy ended up losing both legs (just checked it) then injected it in his eye (what the FUCK was he thinking) and now he is blind in both eyes, well he's probably dead by now, poor guy. What would possess someone to continue injecting the shit in his groin after losing one leg, then after losing the other one, he did it in his EYE! I don't see how you can get a buzz from em, interocular injection? Surely intramuscular would have been far better and a million times less risky, fuck he should have just ate the things, crazy crazy nutter.

My friend injected temazepam tablets a couple of times years ago now, and even that was crazy and he certainly won't be doing it again. He was lucky nothing happened because it seems that temazepam will cause vascular occlusion, especially arteries, hence the amputation (of that guy that slammed jellies in his eye ball) but i am sure it would cause veins to close up as well. He will certainly never inject tablets again, it's just too dam risky although he did say injecting 60mg of diazepam is some buzz, but not worth the risks at all. The only way he would ever do it again is if he could dissolve them in a safe and completely sterile solution and for that i think good pharmaceutical chemistry knowledge would be needed. Bottom line, don't jag benzo tablets, it really really isn't worth the risk, besides they have very high oral bioavailability.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Was it your monkey that injected the temazepam jellies? I'm sure it was ;)

[madmatt3d]

Swim currently has access to Diazepam Ampoules for IM injection.

As swim is not a fan of needles, and does not want to get involved in the whole needle scene.... is it possible to orally injest the liquid solution and still obtain the desired effects?

please answer me a.s.a.p due to increasing curiousity

[Fantasian]

Swim currently has access to Diazepam Ampoules for IM injection.

As swim is not a fan of needles, and does not want to get involved in the whole needle scene.... is it possible to orally injest the liquid solution and still obtain the desired effects?

please answer me a.s.a.p due to increasing curiousity

From what SWIF understands most of the solution will be destroyed as the preperation is an emulsion for IV or IM use. However if SWIY administered it rectally it should also work, but once again, some will some wont....

[Eden]

Hello Beltane.Are you still following this thread?I wish I had caught this sooner but better late than never I guess.Answer is yes,but you MUST be careful and you MUST do it the right way.The only way to do this as far as I am concerned is with a wheel filter.Please follow the link below for a step-by- step:

http://www.saferinjecting.net/injecting-wheel-filters.htm

[rocksmokinmachine]

Does this device really make injecting benzodiazepine tablets safer?

[Fantasian]

Does this device really make injecting benzodiazepine tablets safer?

Safer but still not safe. Any kind of filter is better than none, but there are numerous problems with injecting tablets that have been highlighted,for example one of which is an emulsion rather than a liquid is usually u sed in something such as diazepam. It provides a partial solution to one of many problems.

[WashHeights187]

Beltane, this is coming from previous experiance using name brand xanax 1mg's and generic 1mg's and trying with a needle. first off, it didn't really even cook up all the way, at least not the way smack cooks in your spoon. and its a fact that there is alot of filler such as dyes, sugars and some other nonsense (look up your specific pill's ingrediants). also when i tried to use a filter to draw it into the syringe, so much material stayed and caked on the spoon and in the cotton.


xanax is great orally. make sure you have an empty stomach and 2 - 3 beers


will go a long way.
your absolutely right man. i've been doing valium for a few months now and find it great with some green and a few beers to get the ball rtolling. while i try to stay away from "drugs" like benzos and opiates and caociane( all drugs of abuse in my past) i find xanax to be almost the perfect chill out pills." wouldnt wanna catch a habit. is therre any specific amount if time xanax can be used without being physically and psychologically addictive?

[rocksmokinmachine]

is therre any specific amount if time xanax can be used without being physically and psychologically addictive?

Usually doctors prescribe it for the short term relief of severe anxiety or other illnesses associated with it for a period of around 2 weeks (at least over here). I should think this is a safe amount of time to be using regularly for, but one can never be certain. This only goes for the physical withdrawal symptoms (which can be fatal).

Benzodiazepines can be psychologically addictive after any amount of time. How long is a piece of string?

[Jatelka]

It's generally accepted that 14 days of daily use is enough for physical tolerance/dependence.

But back on topic please: "Injecting Valium (or other benzo) pills"

[WashHeights187]

Usually doctors prescribe it for the short term relief of severe anxiety or other illnesses associated with it for a period of around 2 weeks (at least over here). I should think this is a safe amount of time to be using regularly for, but one can never be certain. This only goes for the physical withdrawal symptoms (which can be fatal).

Benzodiazepines can be psychologically addictive after any amount of time. How long is a piece of string?

Thanks for the advice man. I know that benzos can creep up on you and BOOM you wake up one day fully addicted. I've been using them recreatinonally, on and off, since about September 07 and definitely am aware of what I'm doing. 2 days in a row is the most I've consumed and i can honestly say that is PLENTY. Of course, I'm talking from a "getting high" point of view. There are people with legitimate cases of severe anxiety who take them daily. I am prescribed klonopin personally, .25 mg's but I don't use them daily because 1) I don't wanna get a benzo habit and 2) my anxiety is not that severe where i need them on a daily basis. the few times i've done benzos, xanax usually, 2 days in a row i was so out of it I couldn't even THINK of doing more. And not only that, after a certain point you just pass out, point blank period and find yourself in the most restful sleep imaginable.

[Psych0naut]

^^^^^ Please do not incriminate SWIY(Someone Who Isn't You) self. Refer to SWIM or your labrat/monkey/kangaroo when discussing illegal activities. Please read the rules, which can be found through the hyperlink on the top of your screen. Thanks.

Also, because we have have member from many different countries, and brand names for medication like benzo's differs from country to country, please always include the substances name, not just the brand name. The substances name can easilly be found with google. Welcome to the forum and I hope you enjoy your stay here!

[delphinen]

as an almost usual Diazepam ampoule abuser, SWIM would recommend to shoot on different parts every try, right arm, left leg, left arm, right leg, intravenose from the left arm, then intravenose from the right, then back to im on the buttocks, etc.
always massage the area if you IM the Diazepam, so it gets segregated faster in your muscle, plus it feels nice ^_^

ps: take a hot immersive bath and shoot Midazolam from it. The relax will be amazing. Be careful to have some tolerance and not fall sleep!

[Psych0naut]

^^^ Just to be shure to mention it for the people who somehow wouldn't think come up with it themselves, but don't shoot midazolam immersed in a bathtub. SWIM has been on a Dormicum(midazolam) prescription for somewhile, and also has some Dormicum 15mg/3ml ampoules which he shot. Midazolam is a benzodiazepine sledgehammer, it's the only benzodiazepine capable of putting a huma in a coma with just double the normal oral dose taken intravenously. For that reason it's used as a pre-anesthetic, and it does it's job very well ...

[delphinen]

SWIM got a box of 15mg Roche Dormicum, already tried it orally and sniffed without the coating, but he would like to try the rush of IVing it.
Could someone explain step by step how to do this please?

[rocksmokinmachine]

SWIM got a box of 15mg Roche Dormicum, already tried it orally and sniffed without the coating, but he would like to try the rush of IVing it.
Could someone explain step by step how to do this please?

Simple answer. Don't. There is thread after thread about injecting pills and the dangers. They are meant to be taken orally.

[darkbreed]

Rohypnol (FLunitrazepam) is easily and very commonly dissolved in water by heating it and then filtering it and injecting it. As an earlier heroin addict I know this. "Heavnly Blizz" is what we called the mix of injecting rohypnol and heroin or morphine. Fluniptrazepam is also the best benzo available to inject as far I've come across and I came across many in my times

Midazolam is also easily dissolved in water with slightly low pH. not sure if you even need to heat it.

Xanax (alprazolam) is also possible, but harder, you need to cook it two times, first cook it with lots of water so it boils well and filter that liquide, and cook the reamins one more time and filter that up too and ready to with the two mixed solutions. The color of the goo left in the spoon should be rather yellowish and usually is alot.

Valium is also possible, rivotril too.

Some benzos you need to add other chemicals to make them more absorbable, such as f.ex citric acid to lower the ph with midazolam. Ascorbic acid should do the same trick.

Havn't looked up the specifics for all the different benzos and how and what they are soluble in though, but this is what Ive gathered from my past experience with such.

But it is IMPORTANT to know what you are doing, you need a FILTER of HIGH GRADE to get the solution you've cooked and let as much crap and fillers remain in the spoon and filter after.

Read up on HARM REDUCTION on IV'ing,, if you dont now what you're doing Id suggest don't do it. It's a dangerous game.

Greetings from an ex-mainliner

[rocksmokinmachine]

Rohypnol (FLunitrazepam) is easily and very commonly dissolved in water by heating it and then filtering it and injecting it.

I'm not sure if flunitrazepam is water soluble. Only a few benzo's are. Even so SWIY does not want to be injecting corn starch, lactose and all of the other fillers and binders and colourings that are being used. It is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

Midazolam is also easily dissolved in water with slightly low pH. not sure if you even need to heat it.

Midazolam is water soluble, I believe. But again, this does not make the tablets safe for injection. Tablets/capsules/caplets are made for swallowing. This is again, EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

Xanax (alprazolam) is also possible, but harder, you need to cook it two times, first cook it with lots of water so it boils well and filter that liquide, and cook the reamins one more time and filter that up too and ready to with the two mixed solutions. The color of the goo left in the spoon should be rather yellowish and usually is alot.

Alprazolam is probably not water soluble either, as most benzodiazepines are not (but don't quote me as I believe 2 or 3 are). 'Dissolving' and injecting any pill is VERY DANGEROUS, and should not attempted at all.

Valium is also possible, rivotril too.

Try to use the name of the drug, rather than the brand name. This avoids confusion in this international forum. By these I assume SWIY means diazepam and clonazepam. These are definately not water soluble, and yet another extremely dangerous act that SWIY has suggested.

PLEASE PEOPLE. DO NOT INJECT CRUSHED PILLS, CAPSULES/CAPLETS OF ANY KIND IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, UNLESS YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR LIMBS AMPUTATED, HAVE GANGRENE, A STROKE, A BLOOD CLOT OR POSSIBLY EVEN DIE.

For anyone that has lived in the UK and Ireland, they will remember the 'jelly' abusers of the mid 1980's. These people used to inject 20+ 30mg temazepam gel capsules at a time. These people usually didn't see thier 30th birthday, and for obvious reasons.

[darkbreed]

SWIM have many years of experience with injecting all kinds of substances, of course SWIM do not recommend any injections of anything, but if you chose to do it its better to know how and what dangers there is to it (thus i was suggesting looking up harm reduction, high grade filters etc)

Regarding the solubility of the above mentioned pills, they are all soluble when cooked and injectable as SWIM knows from long experience with mainlining himself. SWIM used to be a heroin junkie and one of the favorites was to mix up a pill of rohypnol (flunitrazepam) with the smack and get extra blasted. The flunitrazepam injected on its own also is very powerful, "knock out" is a good term. Rohypnol (flunitrazepam) pills are also the most easy and powerful pills to inject of all benzos, having the strongest effect. I know it says many of these benzos are not water soluble, but from experience that is not correct, perhaps it is the heating of the water that makes it soluble as the benzos perhaps melts and dissolves into the water when cooked at high temperature?

SWIM is aware of the temazepam issue mentioned, but that was due to injecting the gel itself and cloggin up the veins, which is something completely different than crushing solid pills to powder, cook them and filter them, and inject the clear liquid.

For those who want to be stupid enough to inject, always make sure you use a HiGH GRADE FILTER and not just some rolled up cottong piece. Cotton can be extremely dangerous as tiny fibers may find its way into the syringe and be injected into your bloodstream and cause "cotton fever" (look it up for more info). The same goes for the pills, small particles may find their way through the cotton and in the same way end up in the syringe and thus in your veins - very dangerous.

Everything stated here is in regards of benzodiazepines, other types of pills can be extremely dangerous and deadly to IV, and so can IV'ing benzos be. It is not recommended and I encourage anyone who consider it to just take them sublingual instead or swallow them down or snort them for that matter. IV'ing is a serious step towards a downhill path.

Some harm reduction sites worth checking:
http://www.saferinjecting.net/
http://www.thewellproject.org/en_US/Living_Well/Health/Cleaning_Works.jsp
http://harmreduction.org/idu/chapter1.html

Once you start injecting its not easy to go back - take that as a warning from a guy who knows!

[rocksmokinmachine]

Regarding the solubility of the above mentioned pills, they are all soluble when cooked

They are not, believe me.

Would any of the more educated members. Care to point DB in the right direction. I agree that a few are water soluble. BUT DOES THAT MAKE THEM SAFE FOR INJECTION??????

I THINK NOT!

HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO BE GONE OVER !!!!!!! GRRR

Sorry for the rant but PILLS are meant to be taken orally. Inject benzodiazepines if they are in injectable ampoules.

[darkbreed]

SWIM speaks from experience. Cooking up any benzo always worked for SWIM specifically with a little citric acid added. Regarding safety etc, nothing is safe to shoot up in the first place , and regarding all the stuff in the pills, you really think the heroin, coke, meth , etc you buy in the street is very much purer? You dont think its cut with all kind of crap? You can always purify your benzos by doing a proper extraction first to get rid of all the nasties you think are so bad, if you really want to do that, and then get a more clean almost pure form of the benzo. Personally SWIM never did that though, he just cooked up the crushed pills, filtered them so all the goo and fillers were left in the spoon, and a clear clean liquid in the syringe.

Regarding the rush of IViing benzos, SWIM finds Flunitrazepam to be the most useful and potent, while the other ones more or less are just a quicker way to get the effects, and honestly SWIM would recommend just eating those benzos as they are not really worth shootin effectwise.

The most effective benzo to iv is flunitrazepam in SWIMs opinion, and SWIM never had any problem or negative effects from doing so and he was doing so up to 10 times a day for some years. The only negative effect was getting a bunch of fucked up veins. But they have been healed now and SWIM is no longer injecting nor do he recommend anyone else to do so either.

People will keep shootin pills no matter if we or others say its not safe and what not, so its better to let people know how to do it as properly as possible with as much harm reduction one can supply them with. I did give a bunch of links to "safe injection" and harm reduction sites in another thread, just search my nick and "harm reduction" and I think you should find it.

[Ididnotinhale]

If swim can get ahold of Midazolam (verced), that works very well for injection, but swim cannot suggest it due to dangers.

If anyone has had any big medical procedures, that's what they use to knock you out (along with the opiates).

Like swim said, be extremely careful though, since it is such a strong benzo, especially when injected.

Ativan also works well injected. Swim was in the hospital for about 2 months (due to a head injury, now part of my head is plastic!) The injury caused epilepsy and whenever a seizure started nursed would inject about 5mg of ativan and that would knock swim out. (and more importantly stop the seizure)

[Solinari]

I have found conflicting information on whether or not flunitrazepam is water soluble. Some places say 'slightly' soluble (which probably means not soluble), some say 'virtually insoluble' and some say it is water soluble. Even if flunitrazepam is water soluble then it is one of very few that are, i imagine the water soluble benzodiazepines can be counted on one hand (can't say for sure though).

I am absolutely positive the majority of benzodiazepines will not dissolve in a small amount of water even at high temperature (which is a bad idea to inject anyway) and with some citric acid.

[darkbreed]

Well all SWIM can say about that is that it is no doubt water soluble when heated, much also considering the effects only 1mg of a Rohypnol pill have when injected (flunitrazepam). In the country SWIM comes from, which by the way have the highest amount of needle injectors per percentage of the population in the world, Rohypnol (flunitrazepam) is one of the most popular drugs to inject and is generally very expensive, and is largely used for mixing with opiates to really boost the effects.

SWIM speaks from experience with the matter and not from reading any information about this, so he knows this to be completely true and Rohypnol was his personal drug of choice which he used to slam way too much. Just a couple mg (3-4) banged is enough to make you drool and pass out on its own with no other substances added (such as opiates).

IV'ing Rohypnol pills (flunitrazepam) is highly pleasurable and addictive, comparable to heroin I would say and the mix is "amazing".

With that said, SWIM do not encourage anyone trying to shoot up anything, in the long term it's not worth it and only leads to misery - SWIM was lucky enough to get back from the street and get himself together but have many friends who are still out there or dead.

[Solinari]

My fiend is familiar with injecting benzo's, he has injected diazepam and alprazolam in fact injecting diazepam was one of his favourite things to do with fresh blister packs. It was utterly nuts because it was the whole pill he would inject in an emulsion and he is just thankful he didn't kill himself and would NEVER do it again. This was just the way he saw it done many times by other people and it worked, very well, it's a great buzz but he was naive and stupid.

If flunitrazepam is soluble in water without heat then it's one of very few that are and it's still a bad idea to inject. If it is soluble with heat but not without then it's a VERY bad idea to inject because when it cools presumably it will start to solidify and that is probably worse than slamming the whole pill because it could make it's way in to larger vessels then solidify. Sounds like injecting jelly temazepam to me which did result in amputations.

[darkbreed]

SWIM can only say that from years of frequent and careful administration of flunitrazepam (and at other times not quite so careful) he has to add that he always put his syringe with the hot liquid in a full glass of ice cold water to cool it down before injecting. This served two purposes - one to make any nasties that had melted and would stay liquid while heated to resolidfy on getting cooled down, as well as the overall not general liking of injectin hot liquid straight from the cookin plates so to speak.

The observerations were that NEVER did he see any crystalline solids or other forms of solid matters, the liquid was completely transparant and had no solid matters in it at all at no level that were possibly to see with close examination of flipping the syringe both back and forth and up and down etc, and never did the needles etc get clogged from anything either. The only clogging he experiend, were times when he drew up blood in the syringe, and let it there for too long before injecting and the blood solidfy some and made the need buggered up (be careful with that, inject blood-clogs is probably not so healthy either).

I am far from a chemist. But Ive noticed that some substances in or daily life, lets take sugar as an example, doesnt rapidly dissolve in cold water, but if added in hot water it quickly does, and still is dissolved after the solution gets cold.

Perhaps it is something of the same effect. SWIM never tried to iv cold flunitrazepam though as he had been taught by the rest of the junks to cook it up first.

Once he and a friend had a big syringe and decided to cook up 5-6 pills at once (1mg each) in a big metal spoon (the round ones used to ge ice cream balls) and so we did crush them up, cook away, and filter and suck up a big amount of liquids (can't remember exactly how many cc, somewhere between 5 and 10 cl, while normaly 1-2 cl were used for one pill or two. So they shared this one 50-50 and shot up and both immetiately passed out drooling and what not smackin head together just to wake up hours later in completely different positions than they orignally had passed out (SWIM somehow ended up wakin in the bedroom of another couple whom he was stayin over at, having no idea how he got in there.)

SWIM is not familiar with any temazepam similar symptons such as amputations etc due to rohpypnol, and rohypnol and been used and shot up for longer and more times than temaz ever has, and this in a counry that has the highes amounts of injecting users. SWIM used to hang with the dirtiest lowlife worst possible junkies of the street you could find, like guys who were in their 50s and had been shootin since they were 13, and they were still fine in health for their age, in general, thouh had som problems with he veinds due to popping so much and messing them up bu that was mostly what was observed.

Jelly temazpeam is completely different, and it is the JELLY that causes the problem ther, not the temazepam itself. Flunitrazepam do not have a jelly of any sort. The pills are green, coated, and SWIM would lick of the coating first before crusin up pills, cooking with needed amount water, filter it into the syringe, adding needle, and banging it in after cooling it down in glass of cold water for a while.

my 2 cents.

DB

[outriderx]

maybe SWIY can also take a look at this thread

Injecting Basics, dangers of IVing pills. READ THIS before posting IV pill questions! (http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28148)

[Solinari]

I was making a comparison to temazepam jellies in the sense that if the liquid solidified as it cooled then it would be similar to temazepam which also solidified when it cooled. Since i don't know if it solidifies or not, then i don't know, if some one knows otherwise then fair enough.

[Psych0naut]

In general, nearly all benzodiazepinse are regarded as insoluble in water. That means, only a few mg would dissolve in a ml of water. For some very potent benzodiazepines, that would be enough for a good dose, but for most of them it wouldn't. Midazolam(Dormicum), Flurazepam(Dalmadorm) and some preperations of Chloordiazepoxide(Librium) are in water soluble salt forms. They are however generally available as tablets, and like with all tablets, it's dangerous to inject them, due to binders and fillers.

[frankz81]

swim used to inject diazepam, using a mortar and pistle crushing til very fine...then using a couple of 5ml syringes and cotton to filter a coupla times, then transferring to 1ml's for iv use... needed a fair bit,maybe 25mg for same effect of 10mg injested..
did come on straight away tho, although short lived but yes it can be done, and no u shouldnt do it

[allyourbase]

firstly a lot of pill binders are small particles that easily get drawn up in aqueous solutions.
secondly only a very very very few benzodiazapines are water soluable.

SWIM advises HEAVILY against the attempted IV injection of a benzodiazapine, outside of perhaps the valium gel.