View Full Version : Opinions - Are Branded Benzodiazepines or Generics Better?
Bojangles
24-02-2004, 18:30
I swear that brand name Xanax is way stronger and gives me a different high then the generic alprazolam (such as G.G.) Also my friend swears brand name Valium ( the ones with the cut out V) are much better and different than generic Diazepam...Maybe i'm crazy but I swear I can tell the difference, has anyone else ever noticed this?
OneDiaDem
24-02-2004, 19:55
Yes, there are slight differences that I have noticed also. The company's manufacturing these cannot veer to far from the general makeup of the drugs they are offering as generic.
yesi havenoticed italso. my doctor told me this about my generic meds is that the percentage of "real" stuff in it can vary greatly.in the brand name stuff it is always has say 95-100% (i dont remember the exact numbers so i am makeing them up) and the generic can vary from 80-100%. so i dont know if you have them from different batches but that could be why some seem less strong
weedbarsnrolls
26-02-2004, 16:54
dude w/ downers they don't change jus w/ painkillers
hollywood
25-06-2004, 05:35
I went to the Doctor today and got the generic Xanax, footballs and I think they are just as good. And I also get the generic Norco, Watson and they are just as good as Brand name to me. I am so wasted............................................ ...............................................
Hollywood
Swim has upjohn xanax and its amazing. Swim only needs one and he feels like he's so confident its just so unlike swim. He can talk to people with much more confidence and not get red faced like he would have done before.
Roche's Valium is not so impresive he can take a huge amount and not feel much when he can take one mg upjohn xanax and feels great.
Would taking one for every time he needs it like going out on a date or other times when he feels like he is going to be anxious but not ever day stop him from building up a tolerance?
Upjohn Xanax?
Roche's Valium?
o_O
Would taking one for every time he needs it like going out on a date or other times when he feels like he is going to be anxious but not ever day stop him from building up a tolerance?
i think xanax isnt the best choice here man...just relax, or better yet think of jesus, god and shit, and enjoy it for that what it is-just a stupid date. girls are faaaaar more anxious than guys-what to wear? does my ass look fat in this? did i shave my legs? am i talkin too much? am i talking not enough?etc...
chill
timmytoo
25-01-2006, 18:44
Does Anyone Know If Crushing A Xanax Xr Is Really As Dangerous As The Warning On The Bottle And Insert Say? I Get Noooo Relief From These And Though If I Crushed One I May Get The Immediate Relief That The Regular Xanax Used To Give Me??
Thanks!
radiometer
25-01-2006, 19:21
Well, not all generic alprazolam is so bad, I have had some generics which seemed rather weak, but I've also had generics which were indistinguishable from Upjohn brand in their effects.
i think xanax isnt the best choice here man...just relax, or better yet think of jesus, god and shit, and enjoy it for that what it is-just a stupid date. girls are faaaaar more anxious than guys-what to wear? does my ass look fat in this? did i shave my legs? am i talkin too much? am i talking not enough?etc...
chill
Edit. Sorry but I think you have gone off topic talking about religion in the wrong room.
Upjohn Xanax?
Roche's Valium?
o_O
You never heard of them?
calmascanbe
26-01-2006, 15:19
If you can , ALWAYS ,go with the brand names,there potentcy are better than most generics. Thats not saying all generics are weak. Some generics are just fine ,but you will find out by experimenting whats best for you.
What fucking world are you on?
splroiit theta 7, you?
Why would one want to think of shit on a date?
are you making fun of my beliefs???
Aww are you upset about our little convo in the religion thread? No one made fun of your beliefs I just proved a good point.
no just j/k, and your point was good, lol. thanks ive got it im going to hell.
Edit. Sorry for going off topic.
Pinkavvy
26-01-2006, 18:05
If you can , ALWAYS ,go with the brand names,there potentcy are better than most generics. Thats not saying all generics are weak. Some generics are just fine ,but you will find out by experimenting whats best for you.
That's incorrect. Generics are the same active chemical as namebrands.
Do you believe you are a good person? If you are and dont believe in god then I think god would be evil to put someone that is not done any harm to anyone like killing/raping/torturing. So if you are you should be fine.
Thanks for the sunday school lesson; I think we covered those ideas in highschool basic philosophy classes. Please keep that mumbo jumbo in the religion and philosophy section. Thanks :P
Edit Sorry for name calling. In my opinion brands do make a difference.
i believe that im a person. and the we are way off topic.
Yes and you made it go off topic;)
Pinkavvy
26-01-2006, 18:17
Oggy - Give us some sources. Let's see some evidence that says you're right and every pharmacist in the world is wrong.
Show me some evidence that brand names make a differance. This fact will change the way pharmacies operate; you're on the verge of revolution here .. just need some evidence.
Well swim had some valium made by cox uk brand and swims had valium made by roche and its no where near as strong. Edit. Could be my tolerance or fakes.
Pinkavvy
26-01-2006, 18:28
No, fool, we wont continue this at all. I'm done. I wont argue with you. Open your mind to learning, and you'll go alot farther in this fourm, and in the world. your opinion of a pill being weaker is not proof of evidence. perhaps your tolorance is differant? or more likely, perhaps you had a smaller dose size. The FACT is that generic pills have the same active chemical as the namebrand. Just because the binders used and binder ratio may be differant, does not make the pill weaker, usually the binder ratio differance is to make harder to abuse. The reality is that a 1mg pill contains 1mg of active ingredient. Next you're going to tell me that a 5/500 Vicodin brand hydrocodone is stronger than a watson brand 5/500 hydrocodon/apap pill.
calmascanbe
26-01-2006, 19:53
That's incorrect. Generics are the same active chemical as namebrands.
Thanks for the sunday school lesson; I think we covered those ideas in highschool basic philosophy classes. Please keep that mumbo jumbo in the religion and philosophy section. Thanks :P
About generics, here in the US and probably in the UK ,generic standards are alowed 20% of the original patent. Beleive me when I say generics have a lower standard and are not equal to the original patent. Generics differ from brand to brand , but generally they are weak compaired to the name brand. Don't beleive everything you read. They might have the same chemical properties but they ARE weaker.
Iggypoop
26-01-2006, 20:04
Brands do make a difference. Binders, standardisation of ingredients and actual mg per pill will vary by brand. Although pinkavvy you are right saying that the active principle will be the same.
Edit. I think others are agreeing with me about brand quality from experience.
Cox Pharmaceuticals are the best swim's ever had and I know a lot of swim's that would say the same thing. Swim's never had a brand like it but could be a tolerance thing, mind you I do remember the cox valium did taste very bad witch is a good thing for checking streanth.
raven3davis
26-01-2006, 20:59
Are you taking a 2mg dose? SWIMS dad used to take like .25mg before he had to be infront of a lot of people but he was prescribed. SWIM doesnt recommened taking xanax without a prescription so maybe you should voice your concerns to a doctor and ask for their opinion. You really shouldnt have to rely on xanax to go on a date but if you must it probably isnt the worst decision you could make. Just dont take them too often and dont make it where you have to take a bigger dose to feel the effects.
Ok. But its ok to get high on many other drugs but not self proscribe xanax?
I only take 1mg at a time and dont use it all the time.
bzp's are known for their fast and pretty nasty addictions.
For me personally i stay away from the easy drugs. Easy to find, easy to take, people cant tell your using, slight to no hangover, some are even dirtcheap. Its to easy to abuse those kind.
Beware of any drug you can use daily without to much trouble is my motto (weed thought me that lesson a looong time ago).
That's incorrect. Generics are the same active chemical as namebrands.
Yes but the quantity of the active chemical varies greatly from generic to generic to brand. I have worked as a tech in several pharmacies over the past few years and have heard pharmacists talk about this. Lets say generic valium may say that it has 10mg diazepam per pill, but in actuality it could have only 8.8. Now that the United States has allowed generics to be brought in from foreign countries, I would be very wary of what I'm getting. I'd go with the brand any day unless it just costs waaaaay to much.
Pinkavvy
28-01-2006, 05:06
Yeahsme- There is always a slight variation is ratios of any pill production, including namebrands. However for a pill to be prescribed in the united states, it must meet average standard ratios of active chemical dosage. So if it claimes to be 1mg of active chemical, or 10mg, it must be close enough on an average random sample to meet standards. They can't claim 10mg and consistantly be at 8.8mg, as they are held to the same dosing average standards that the namebrands are. There is always a variable, but not by much, and not anymore often then namebrands. Hence pharmacist/insurance/patients have a right to chose a generic brand rather than a namebrand. A brand can't mislabel the dosage incriment, just as a patient or isurance company can't decide to change the prescribed treatment/dosage that a doctor decides to prescribe.
Maybe in the US that is but in my opinion ordering from IOP's brands make a difference.
what is IOP's oggy?.maybe there are differences in the varitaitons of potecy of generics compared with regular brand name pills,between the U.S and the U.K, but i doubt it, cause different drugs manufacturers produce thier pills in different places all over the world
dopenose77
19-03-2006, 21:17
Swim is prescribed lorazepam and is curious after reading some debate on the fourm, has anyone had experience with both Ativan and its generic counterpart? I've only taken generics thus far to save money but if the name brand is any better I'll give it a go.
Forthesevenlakes
20-03-2006, 08:42
SWIM's had experience with both and honestly can't tell the difference. subjectively, they feel the same. now generic diazepam and valium, on the other hand...SWIM has noticed a qualitative decline in quality with the generic version.
calmascanbe
20-03-2006, 19:45
forthesevenlakes, can you give us a compairison between the 2 mentioned and clonazepam ?
hightimes129
07-06-2006, 18:02
Hi swim is new to this forum....however swim had a quick question about taking the generic xanax made by Greenstone, swim has read on on this forum that most people think this is the bext type of xanax how ever it gives me no effect like regular brand name xanax. swim had taken 4 mg's of it the other night and felt nothing but sleepy, and if swim were to take 4 ms's of the normal brand name xanax swim would have a very good high swim would be warm inside, very talkitive and over have a great time. It is just a completely different feeling which is not worth it at all, however brand name xanax if deffinitly worth the trip. This has occured on all of the occasions swim has taken both the generic and brand name xanax.....anyone know why this would be?
IHrtHalucingens
10-06-2006, 17:36
Most likely tolerance. Generic alprazolam has all the same active ingredients as the brand name xanax. Has all the same amounts and works exactly the same. My guess is that you have been abusing them and your tolerance has gone up, as it does very fastly with this substance. Either that or placebo effect, you know its a generic and think its not as good so it isnt.
But there is no reason why someone with no tolerance should react differently to generic and brand name pharmaceuticals.
By any chance were they aquired from an IOP? SWIM has heard of some products being weak or totally inactive. Otherwise SWIM would agree with SWIIHrtHalucingens, that tolerance is probably your problem.
raven3davis
10-06-2006, 18:50
Some people like certain brands more than others. SWIM didnt know there is much of a difference, but apparantly, two different brands of 2mg alprazolam can give you 2 different highs. Some people like gandor more than upjohn and SWIM has also heard people mention alpax, which is normally ranked high. Tolerance could be an issue, but some people swear by certain brands. Maybe you got some weaker pills that are expired or something. Some IOPs could even sell homemade pressed pills that have a lesser amount of aplrazolam in them.
SWIM has heard the issue of brand name vs generic discussed quite often. Some people just like certain brands more than others. SWIM has heard this agrument with oxycodone pills too. Many people like the purdue pills, but there are other brands which are less desired. SWIM is unsure why some brands would make weaker pills. All these pills should be pharmecudical grade so there shouldnt be much of a difference in the quantity of active ingredients in each pill. Never the less, people often state how one brand is superior to another. anyone have an opinion on this subject?
SWIJ would say: Alprazolam is alprazolam is alprazolam ( if by any any other name)
Thats wierd, SWIM has taken both and felt the exact same effects, with the same dosage.
asplinteredfawn
03-01-2007, 04:40
Has anyone noticed a difference in potency between the generic white Sandoz 2mg oral Alprazolam tablets, the generic yellow Alpharma 2mg, the Upjohn 2mg tablets, and the 2mg orally disintegrating tablets by Schwarz Pharma (Niravam)? SWIM has found the Alpharma tablets superior and the Schwarz Pharma (Niravam) tablets to be NEARLY invalid. Does anyone concur or have any words of advice?
GreatWonder
15-01-2007, 21:33
SWIM has obtained a quantity of Alprazolam tablets under the name Notense - 0.50 (0.5mg). They are in blister packs with good expiry dates (08/2009) and are single score round pink tablets. The manufacturer is Sarabhai Chemicals, Vadodara, of which SWIM has found the following information;
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(The above site looks and reads pretty legit to SWIM)
SWIM has not had the chance to try these yet, but would like to hear from any SWIY's who may have heard of or used these. SWIM will report back to any SWIY's who would like to know the potency of these - SWIM has found little information so far.
GreatWonder
17-01-2007, 21:36
SWIM took a single 0.5mg table this evening (tablet did not have the revolting taste that the last supply of Alprazolam tablets SWIM received) and didn't notice much for a while. After 45 minutes SWIM felt an effect more similar to diazepam, a lot more groggy and heavy (though not a strong effect) so is still not sure about these tablets.
The powdery inoffensive taste of the pill and the fact that a lot of sites have "Notense" in their lists of generic DIAZEPAM is not reassuring SWIM at all. This is even though the blister tablets clearly state "Alprazolam Tablets I.P.". SWIM will try increased doses to get a better idea of what SWIM has obtained. :(
Micklemouse
18-01-2007, 00:32
A quick web-search would surely be a better idea? Notense is indeed Diazepam. Another name is Apozepam - perhaps that's where your coypu's confusion came in, if not maybe a stern letter to the supplier would be in order. Please be careful ramping up the doses.
Notense chemical information (http://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/540239.html)
GreatWonder
18-01-2007, 09:44
Yes, SWIM searched extensively on line and could only find Notense under lists of generic Diazepam. Still SWIM wasn't 100% sure as the blister packs were clearly printed with Alprazolam 0.5. SWIM has taken 2x 0.5mg and now feels nothing more than dopey and clumsy with mild anti-anxiety effects. SWIM does not like the effects of Diazepam, it make him more withdrawn whereas Alprazolam just reduces the anxiety so SWIM has contacted supplier. :(
GreatWonder
19-01-2007, 18:09
SWIM's verdict (and benzo naive mind) is still out on this one. I know these drugs coming from India are called all sorts of mickey mouse names (I've tried looking up other generic names on the site you mentioned Mickelmouse and lots come back with no results). The blister packs clearly state Alprazolam as the active ingredient and as SWIM has been dosing when in calm situations he has possibly been swayed by SWIM's mind dictating what SWIM should or shouldn't be experiencing.
SWIM has tried chewing a pill and once through the powdery taste there is indeed a very strong chemical taste, not too different to the Alprazolam tablets SWIM previously obtained (much smaller pills), but far from being a benzo muncher, SWIM is not sure of how different one benzo's active ingredient tastes to another.
SWIM will give these tablets one last shot and is due to be in a socially anxious situation later and therefore a better position to monitor results.
Nagognog2
19-01-2007, 23:59
Posting links to sites listing/linking to commercial sites is not allowed. Post edited.
GreatWonder
20-01-2007, 11:34
Nagognog2, I did not post a link/listing, can I assume another user responded with such and the reply removed?
SWIM stands corrected, and did not realise the link contained prohibited matter. Thankyou for bringing to SWIM's attention.
Nagognog2
20-01-2007, 14:32
You're welcome.
GreatWonder
21-01-2007, 02:16
Thanks Nagognog2. What would SWIY do in SWIM's situation ie SWIM has (possibly the biggest) stack ever of pills in blisters marked Alprazolam and as a benzo newbie isn't sure of the source. SWIM has been dipping in on the tabs and still isn't sure of what SWIM has.
Are there many cases of benzos being packed and shipped with different labels, these in SWIM's eyes look legit - need to trial a few more though - is SWIM being paranoid and should just enjoy what SWIM got delivered? Are there any notable markers? ie if SWIM got diazepam under Alps name, SWIM is concerned what dose they're in eg 0.5mg Alp / 10mg Diaz is the normal?
Maybe SWIM should just go to bed happy he didn't get totally ripped off.
Nogastic24
15-03-2007, 14:49
Which is better, or which would SWIY rather have:
1mg of AXAL GENERIC ALPRAZOLLAM (GENERIC XANAX) alprazolam
or...
1mg of NERVIN (GENERIC XANAX) alprazolam????
given that they are the same price.
SWIM wasn't sure which one SWIM should buy. You'r help/input is most appreciated. (I am aware they are basically the same thing, but maybe some people prefer one to another)
Nogastic24
15-03-2007, 19:13
..Bump..
wellhelm
15-03-2007, 19:18
I like the second one, sounds cooler.
Well SWIdr isn't familiar with either of these pharm names, so it could go either way. Most of the time here in the US, pretty much all the generic names have the same stength and quality. The US has standards which they have to follow, but some do make their pills better than others. SWIY shold just do some research on these brands on google and see what turns up before he chooses.
Nogastic24
16-03-2007, 16:19
..Bump..
Nogtastic24: Patience is a virtue.
It is 26 hours since SWIY originally posted and you have bumped this thread twice. Please bear in mind that df members have a life outside this forum (Shock! Horror! At least some of them do :p ), and sometimes the answer SWIY seeks may not be instantly forthcoming. Call it delayed gratification, if you will. Not people's favourite sort, but sometimes sweeter!
As DrMuffy has already stated: In the US (and UK, and rest of developed world) Xanax is Xanax is Xanax. If it says 2mg on it, then 2mg it will have.
Different people may react slightly differently to different binders and colours, which is why you'll see endless arguments about "Upjohn Xanax is the best" (or whatever).
Bear in mind that the above may not be true for benzos ordered from OSP's. Although she has no personal experience SWIJ knows that people have received low-does benzos (and sometimes drugs labelled wrongly) from places based in (for example) India.
BTW: Thread title edited, and thread moved to benzodiazepines sub-forum
From the rules (http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/announcement.php?f=35&a=1):
Use descriptive Topic Subject. This will help others find what they want to read. Topics with bad Topic subjects may be deleted! - there's nothing more annoying than looking at all those stupid "A stupid question" subject lines. I mean, I'm damn lazy, but how hard is it to type "A stupid question about (insert something here)"? As a rule of thumb, most thread titles should include the full name of the drug discussed.
A rule many tend to forget will cause a mass of warnings soon... (http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=23289)
OP,can SWIY be a lil more specific on if these are canadian regular scrips.or what country/area are these coming from.If there both from a crappy source it wont make a diff.To be safe SWIM would use reputable source,and go for upjohn,manufactured under license if SWIY are dealing with iop.They cost 20-25% more,but have much better reviews.
I tried a search before posting this, apparently it hasn't been discussed yet!
My clone is about to order Valium, not for recreational purposeses but because he genuinely has anxiety problems, and he lives in a country where claims of anxiety are treated with fucking antipsychotics. < My clone described symptoms that in most Western countries would have guaranteed a Xanax prescription, but the cow in question prescribed my clone the minimum dose of Zyprexa and told him to see a CBT specialist, despite the fact that my clone had attended an 8 week CBT session at a world-renowned anxiety treatment clinic, and it had provided exactly squat for my clone.
(Word to the wise: if you have a condition that requires a controlled substance, and you live in Ireland, don't even bother searching for a psychiatrist.)
I've heard that the generic version (which I'm taking) often does not work nearly as well. Can anyone confirm this?
iFeaRNLoathiNg
17-06-2007, 06:21
clonazepam (klonopin) 2mg chewable tabs
swim has had the generic 2mg chewable ones. they were the best and worst(because of how powerfull) swim ever did. within 7 minutes swim would be totally fucked.
Please always include the chemical name of pharmaceutical drugs in your posts. This can be easily obtained from Google or other search engine. Doing so will avoid confusion on this international forum.
Thank you
I have been prescribed Klonopin (Clonazepam for years and I can't tell the difference between the generic or the brand. I have to take it for anxiety and to control seizures from another condition so I certainly don't take it to get a feeling. I really don't feel anything out of the norm but can tell you it works well with anxiety issues if you have them. Upping the dosage is not a good idea because people have oded because they could not "feel" it. If one wants a "feeling" xanax would probably be a better choice from what I have heard.
Apaurine is good stuff. I believe it has a 10 on one side and a score on the other, 10mg blue ones do anyway.
My crazy uncle Joe just received a shipment of the apaurine, and they are exactly how you describe them fizzle.
However after a few bioassays he is not quite satisfied with the effects. First bioassay - 30 mg in 10mg increments. Slight relaxation effects, not remarkable. Second bioassay - 40 mg, same increments. Again, very slight relaxation effects. Performing third bioassay tonight, will report later.
It may be that old Joe has a naturally high tolerance for benzos, he has not yet experienced euphoria from them (xanax and apaurine tried so far). He is awaiting the arrival of Roche brand diazepam, and will report back after testing.
SWIM suggests that SWIY possibly tries clonazepam for anxiety. SWIM also (very annoyingly) appears to have a naturally high tolerance to benzos but clonazepam has been more effective than diazepam for him and provides some relief.
Thanks for the advice kareena, my crazy uncle Joe will try out some kpins asap.
The valium seems to be having only mild anxiety reducing properties. Strangely, the apaurines seem to be stronger than the brand name Roche valium, certainly in terms of muscle relaxation and sedation, and even in terms of the mild anxiety reduction.
By comparison he has to eat the Roche valiums like candy for them to work. And yet they really do seem to be the same thing. They came in a blister pack, and Joe gave 20mg to a friend who is quite well experienced with drugs (though not benzos), and his friend got completely fooked.
Perhaps valium is not the friend Joe is looking for. He'll definitely give kpins a try next.
But for what it's worth, apaurines are good stuff.
Politicalchalk
17-05-2008, 18:48
The law in the US states that, in order for a generic to be manufactured and be considered bioequivalent, potency must range between 90% and 110% of the original product.
Swim's dog SWEARS that the hydrocodone tabs with the speckles in them are wayyy better though. Same for generic versions of oxycontin, he INSISTS on the brand.
Swim was prescribed Valium once and she was so out of it she almost lost her job for being "drunk" when she really didn't drink. She only took 10 mg at night too and it would linger. She also could not wake up very well which was a huge issue. Yeah she heard the apaurines are really strong too but never tried them. In benzos she prefers klonopins too, they take the edge off anxiety attacks while not knocking you on your a$$. She could also function pretty well on them. As far as brand vs. generic, she can't tell much difference. However, there are some banana flavored ones out there that are tasty and swim really likes those. Pretty sure they aren't brand.
schiz0phren1c
04-06-2008, 14:59
This swim of mine gets Xiemed Alprazolam purple 1mgs from Thighland(misspelling intentional guys :) ) and they're the biz,Swim says they seem just the same as normal Xans,Swim has just told me he is also looking at a blister pack of Pakistani Roche 10mg Valium and will try them this evening and give a verdict on them.
schiz0phren1c added 156 Minutes and 4 Seconds later...
Swim can confirm the 10mg Diazepam roche from Pakistan are grrrrrrrrrrrrrand,he tells me he's felling no anxiety,quite floaty and nice.
vdogg420
24-06-2008, 18:37
The FACT is that generic pills have the same active chemical as the namebrand. Just because the binders used and binder ratio may be differant, does not make the pill weaker, usually the binder ratio differance is to make harder to abuse. The reality is that a 1mg pill contains 1mg of active ingredient. Next you're going to tell me that a 5/500 Vicodin brand hydrocodone is stronger than a watson brand 5/500 hydrocodon/apap pill.
agreed!! i had my wisdom teeth out and the dr actually checked the do not substitute box and said his patients claim the generics are under powered. its all in your head if you ask me. the pretty little blue percocet that is rock hard MUST be better than the little white one that leaves a micro-spec of white residue on your fingers when you handle it. swim happens to be a rx junkie and agrees with me as well.
SWIM's friend is really into benzos and all the different types and strengths and generics vs non generics. He says that some of them are really really good recreationally, some are "allright" and some really suck. He believes that the brand name's are WAY better than the generics of the same strength and will pay 1.5- 2 times as much for them and will go out of his way for them. He also believes that some generics are good too it just depends on which ones. Some of his favorite ones are
Xanax 2mg White Bars
Xanax 2mg Yellow Bars
Any Valium with the V cut out inside
Any Klonapin with the K cut out
Klonapin 2mg white cilcle (not watson)
He goes crazy over Seconal or Bitalbutal or any barb he can get.
SWIM gets 1mg generic Lorazepam and he said that those are garbage and compared to anything above at the same dose it dosent even come close.
He also only likes the Xanax brand name that are bars, he would rather pay more for a bar than for like 4 .5mg pills.
As far as SWIM's thouight on this is that some benzoa are slightly better at the same dose but its hardly noticable. SWIM hasnt tried Xanny bars yet so that might be worth it to try once.
For SWIM's friend is it really true or is it just made up in SWIM's friend's head and he just enjoys the treasure hunt of finding rare benzos?
enquirewithin
26-06-2008, 02:20
My fish tells me that it finds no difference between generic and brand name diazepam and 'Valium", for example, but then he only takes for specific reasons (mainly to get to sleep) and never recreationally.
Lorezapam seems to work more or less as well as diazepam and seems to be quite strong.
bump sorry can a mod move this to the benzo thread?