View Full Version : Dose - Clonazepam: What dose to take and what to expect?
Ellis D.
05-01-2006, 03:26
Hi all, SWIM found some .5mg pills and was recommended to take 4 to 6. 4 pills later SWIM wasn't very impressed so he popped another 2 and a few hours later he just felt heavy and sleepy so went to bed. 14 hours of sleep later, SWIM was a zombie for the next evening (woke up at 5PM) and the whole next day with slurred speach, stumbling, and hardly any recollection of the experience. Does this drug just suck for my buddy SWIM or was the dosage off? any input/advice is appreciated.
P.S. Happy new year!
OneOfMany
05-01-2006, 05:59
It is a very long acting benzo compared to something like Xanax. I've heard numbers of 2-3mg, 6mg, and 15-20mg all for different people to get euphoric. No idea if you'd get sleepy with too little (or if that's a sign that you're getting too much).
SWIM is also interested in finding an optimal dosage...They tried a single 2mg last night and ended up adding in some other things to make it fun. Just had a similar effect as you got (woozy knees, but not much mental changes were noticed).
IHrtHalucingens
05-01-2006, 06:06
You might have taken too small of a dose for the more euphoric effects. i have had some fun wiht clonazapam before but i took between 8 and 12 dont remember specifically but somewhere in there. These drugs are made to make you sleepy and tired. It might have just done its pharmaceutical duty. Id try a little larger dose before dismissing it completely. wait a week or so because it is my experience that benzo tolerance goes up very quickly.
You sound like you have the syptoms of a decent benzo experience though, ionno maybe you were expecting something different from what a benzo wil lgive you. what exaclty were u looking for? and how did u feel during the 2 hours between the 6th pill and sleep?
SWIM would advise that if you have trouble falling asleep on these (as he sometimes does as well), you:
- Don't lie down in bed and get comfortable. Or do. Else be prepared to wake up 3-4 hours later perplexed, but still under the effects. If you have a nice easy chair, sit up and listen to music, or do whatever...the WWW can be very engaging...
- Maybe, have someone take you to do an activity. See a movie, go to a party, something, if you feel comfortable doing so (which you probably will - SWIM would best sum up benzos in general as "yeah, that sounds okay...")
- Drink something with caffeine. It subtly stimulates you enough to stay awake and explore.
Yes swim fineds these the most sleepy benzos out of all he has tried so far.
youngandwasted
25-01-2006, 18:48
has anyone snorted it?????
pharmapsyche
21-02-2006, 01:37
Snorting clonazepam is futile. It is practically insoluble in water. Do the math.
Ho0k3d0nChRoNiC
04-03-2006, 01:32
how long does clonazepam usually last...say swim took 3-5 mgs of clonazepam at 1130...
would he still be feeling it after he woke up the next day at aroudn 2-330?
Clonazepam is rapidly and completely absorbed after oral administration. Peak plasma concentrations occur by 4 hours. Half life is between 18 and 50 hours (compared to up to 200 for diazepam). Therapeutically clonazepam is given as a twice daily dose (and up to 4 times daily) at up to 1mg.
What SWIM is saying is that (theoretically) SWIH should probably NOT still be feeling a (therapeutic) dose at plus 12 hours. But then 5mg is not a therapeutic dose (it is 5 X therapeutic) so you should expect some hangover!
pharmapsyche
04-03-2006, 13:05
Clonazepams remind me of Meals on Wheels volunteers. They always can turn your day into a tranquil vacation.
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Just some food for thought
pharmapsyche
04-03-2006, 13:22
Clonazepams remind me of Meals on Wheels volunteers. They always can turn your day into a tranquil vacation.
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Just some food for thought
benzenerings, is that temazepam gettng to SWIM's head..."clonazepams remind me of meals on wheels volunteers. They always can turn your day into a tranquil vacation"...haha, I love it.
I've been Clonazapam 1mg for over a year. I'm one of those people that all benzos work for anxiety but only put me to sleep if I ever try to abuse them. I also stopped taken Klonopin after taking 2 every day for 6 months with no withdrawl whatsoever. I'm not the right person to talk to about abusing Benzo's for sure. .5mg works great at killing a bad trip or when smoking pot.
I'm not the right person to talk to about abusing Benzo's for sure.
To be sure: It would be very stupid to stop taking Benzos cold turkey. SWIM is delighted to hear that you didn't have seizures.
Ho0k3d0nChRoNiC
05-03-2006, 01:31
well as im accustomed too, i fell asleep before the clonazepam peak (after 1 or 2 hours) dissapointed as i was that i wasnt hble to feel the complete effects. But i got up at around 145 and until just now (645) i have been stumbling around alittle bit,m and my worlds have been slurred and switched around... like earlier i was talking to nmy mom and was playing with my dogs and said ( "dont worry mom come back he willl") since my dog had just ran around the ho use. and just little sentences like that..
but i plan on robotripping tonight...so ill post some more later
pz
warandhate
08-03-2006, 09:41
whats robo trippin sounds fun i took 7 .5mg pills tonite over like 2hours and i dunno if im really feeling much a little benzo feel but nothing like the xanax do are clonz just not as strong as xanax like is ,5 of xan the same as .5 of clonzapam or are they just totall different drugs and have different feelings
Ho0k3d0nChRoNiC
08-03-2006, 23:55
Robotripping - Robitussin medicines or any other medicines that contain the chemical Dextromethorphan.
At high doses, it causes a rather really fun recreational trip.
SWIM would like to know how many K-pins should be taken to feel really, really good. I have a legal script of 0.5mg 100 tabs. What is a SAFE dosage that can be taken?
Forthesevenlakes
07-09-2006, 05:39
start with .5 mg if swiy has no experience with it. then work swiy's way up from there, be careful because blackouts can happen with klonopin. stay away from any other drugs and alcohol during the experience as well.
SWIM would like to know how many K-pins should be taken to feel really, really good. I have a legal script of 0.5mg 100 tabs. What is a SAFE dosage that can be taken?
Does SWIY have a lot of anxiety normally? If not, it's quite possible Klonopin won't give any really, really good feeling at all -- simply a feeling of unsteadiness, being off balance, drowsy, relaxed & a bit loopy.
Clonazepam (like most benzos) is relatively harmless if not mixed with other CNS depressants like alcohol. Rxlist.com lists side effects of overdosage as "somnolence, confusion, coma, and diminished reflexes." Drugs.com says this: "Symptoms of a Clonazepam overdose include sleepiness, dizziness, confusion, a slow heart beat, difficulty breathing, difficulty walking and talking, an appearance of being drunk, and unconsciousness." SWIM took an overdose of clonazepam once (half-arsed suicide attempt) with ridiculously little negative effects as a result. Basically he got sleepy, slightly dizzy & felt really exhausted/burned out... that was it!
So... SWIY could take a fairly large amount without substantial risk (aside from eventual addiction & tolerance), as long as *all* interactions with other substances are accounted for. Never overdo a substance on the first few tries, of course.
P.S. and yeah, any benzo can cause "blackouts" and memory issues. Never once has for SWIM, but apparently some are more prone to it than others.
I took 6 pills of .5mg which = 3mg. I took this orally all at once. I felt good/slightly relaxed, yet hardly felt euphoric. 3 hours later SWIM is simply tired and wants to go to bed.
Would it be better to crush 3mg and take it that way?
And SWIM wants to avoid OD: so at what point isa certain mg too much?
Thanks for the quick responses!:)
Forthesevenlakes
07-09-2006, 06:59
hi,
please remember to use "SWIM" not "I" in your posts. benzodiazepines do not necessarily make one feel euphoric. they dont stimulate receptors in the brain that mediate feelings of joy or euphoria. what they do is make people feel relaxed and calm which some people enjoy, hence their recreational use. crushing the benzos would only work if swiy took it sublingually (under the tongue) or swallowed the powder. klonopin is not very water soluble so it would not be effective to snort.
as far as OD, read nicaine's post again. benzodiazepines have a high safety margin, meaning that high doses can be taken without much harm UNLESS THE PERSON IS ON OTHER DRUGS OR ALCOHOL. swim wrote that in capital letters to underline the extreme danger of combining substances with benzos like klonopin...dont do it! and even though more could be taken and swiy would probably be safe physically, it is not advised because people can black out, or get very irresponsible and not remember it the next day. swim has witnessed many lab rats get into fights, get thrown out of bars, injure themselves, eat their whole stash of drugs, and other foolish actions while on benzos because they thought they were in control of their behavior, and they werent. 3 mg should be a good buzz for a non-tolerant user, swim wouldnt reccomend upping the dose much more than that. if 3 mg is not enjoyable to swiy, taking more will probably not make it more fun, it will likely just put swiy to sleep for 12 hours.
Has anyone stuck a K-pin up their ass before? I hear it can have a nice buzz.
Have a heart to heart talk with SWIY, and tell him to get a better recreational drug. :D
Riconoen {UGC}
09-09-2006, 08:21
3 megs or 6 .5 mills should be enough make you feel really good and will kock your ass out shortly afterwards aso take it at night. swim has had many experiences with it.have a dsy to recover though becuase you're gonsna be stoned stupid and stumbling like a druk when you wake up so do it on a weekend.
rocco_blitz
09-09-2006, 11:34
Well to all the swir"s out there swim would disagree with swirs saying that kolonpin or however you spell it as swim is on about 10 mg at the moment.Now swim enjoys these benzos when he is down and out of opiates,The benzos wheather its kolonpin,or zanax,or valium, you get the point,help him through the sickness and actually stops most of the symptoms.Could be a mind thing but swim has only been taking these benzos legally 120 klonopin a month bout every 28 days is the minimum for all precriptions here where swim lives.... But at the same time swim is not telling swiys to take his tolorent dosage as swim has many mg"s he can take of any benzo<or opiate> as swim knows he cant continue doing this way of life cause it is basiacally killing him and hes not afraid to omit it,,,,,,no denial here just telling other swiy what can happen and not meaning to sound like a preacher or a counserler from rehab but just letting others know cause this is what these forums are all about and SWIM THINKS THIS IS THE BEST SITE ON THE NET.............................,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Fantasian
09-09-2006, 14:22
I've said it before and ill say it again. For SWIF there is no euphoria, buzz, pleasure from taking benzodiazepines. SWIF still fails to understand their recreational use except to make withdrawal not as harsh or to bring one out of a panic attack during a mushroom or LSD trip.
Someone somewhere above mentioned rectal admin, this is more effective and the benzo will have a faster onset and massively greater bioavailablity therefore be much stronger. SWIF has diazepam rectally when he is in severe pain.
As to lethal doses, most benzodiazepines are quite safe when it comes to being fatal, however SWIF isnt sure on the exact values.
Good luck to those who continue to use benzodiazepines recreationally it remains to SWIF a mystery.
jesusfreak666er
09-09-2006, 15:07
everyone u talk to on this site or in general will have a different opinion on wether or not benzos and specifically kpins are recreational, some find them to be just sedating and therefore if swiy is one of those ppl taking more than a mid range dose will just add sedation not euphoria, now on the other hand swim has anxiety and therefore taking doses of kpin from 2mg-20mg (swim had tolerance dont attempt this) can be quite fun, but one must first ask wat is recreational? what is euphoria? what is fun?
Fantasian
09-09-2006, 15:24
Fair point,
I think some things just arnt for some people SWIF doesnt get any enjoyment from taking benzos and at the same time doesnt get anything from cannabis and yet he knows that vast quantities of others do.
As for defining euphoria, it's impossibly hard, almost like trying to define love.
Anyways ill shh or we'll be right off topic :)
Has anyone stuck a K-pin up their ass before? I hear it can have a nice buzz.
Oh yes, that'll work..........SWIM says!
A while back when he was held in custody for about a month, he was given extreme amounts of clonazepam everyday to stay calm. Once in a while he shoved a few up his ass, it gave him a very strong high. Stronger than he would get by just swallowing thim. Man that month went by fast, he actually doesn't even remember much of it:)
Well, SWIM will be darned. He tried a small dose of clonazepam (0.5mg) administered rectally, and actually felt some pleasure/euphoria from the stuff (albeit not that much). Maybe it's got a bit of potential after all, if it's absorbed fast enough.
As ostensibly disgusting as it is, SWIM is becoming increasingly interested in rectal administration of substances... it invariably hits both faster and harder than oral routes.
Broshious
09-10-2006, 16:37
Swim took 1mg klon and .5mg klon sublingually and went to a party. Swim got drunk and blacked out and almost got a DUI. Swim would just like to restate to never mix benzos with alcohol.
Riconoen {UGC}
12-10-2006, 07:22
Never mix benzos with alcohol. swim had a bad experience with getting incredibly drunk becuase he had took some kpin before.
But kpin for swim makes him feel impervious to stress, and a slight body high that lasts for hours, and a definate mental high.
bewilderment
13-10-2006, 00:08
Swim does not find klonopin to be a fun drug. However, swim was addicted to valium in high school and, obviously, loved the drug. She doesn't know if it's just her that's changed in her preference of drugs or if klonopin produces less (or not at all) euphoria...she knows that ativan which is also a benzo does not seem produce euphoria (or at least much less that other benzos) and remembers reading this somewhere or another as it's one of the reasons why ativan is much easier to get prescribed than other benzos. It also seems like doctors these days will almost always prescribe klonopin over other benzos such as xanax and valium which is due to the longer half-life (thus less addictive) of klonopin. This is also true of ativan. I also wonder if this is also because it doesn't produce as many pleasant effects. Just don't be using these regularly as tolerance builds very quickly and the withdrawal can be very harsh. It's actually possible, although rare I think and could be wrong, to die or have seizures due to benzo withdrawal. But, that most likely only happens to those who use extremely large amounts over a long period of time.
SWIM experimented and found that clonazepam is reasonably soluble in alcohol (e.g. 99% isopropyl) whereas the rest of the pill contents are not. If anyone was interested in isolating nearly pure clonazepam for trying different routes of admin, this would be a way to do it ;). SWIM tried snorting a bit of the results and it had a rapid and powerful effect, which was interesting in that snorting is really not supposed to work. If anyone does this, use extreme caution... the resulting residue after filtering/evaporation is very potent. SWIM feels sedated and his memory is adversely affected (leaving stuff around the house, etc). He's not sure how much was taken... it was a pretty small amount of 'extracted' clonazepam, visually speaking.
* Grind pills to a fine powder, then add isopropyl alcohol (preferably hot or warm). Shake/stir for a while.
* Pour alcohol mixture through a coffee filter onto an evaporation plate. Liquid on plate should appear clear. Allow to air-evaporate or use a blow dryer.
* Scrape crystalline residue off plate. Use caution, it's potent!
Edit: SWIM's getting conflicting data as to whether clonazepam is more soluble in alcohol or acetone. Therefore, he recommends mixing alcohol + acetone in the first step above. Also, filtering through a coffee filter may not be necessary if the solution is allowed to sit awhile and the gunk from the pills to settle out to the bottom.
Riconoen {UGC}
15-10-2006, 04:09
Any advice on this new extraction method for IV route?
It's probably not pure enough to IV, some residue from the pills will still exist. SWIM recommends against IV'ing anything that isn't pharmaceutical grade + specifically intended for IV'ing. Rectal or sublingual admin would be safer if someone wanted to try it.