adderal,ritalin etc

[sushigirl]

Which of the prescription based stimulants have the closest
feeling to amphetamine sulphates ? and has anyone had
any success in getting a doctos to write a script for it,
by just telling him your feeling this or that, or even just suggesting
you might need to be prescribed such a drug ?

[Ruud]

I think Ritalin is most common to amfetamine sulfat, its a medicine for adhd but its not easy to get i think. I don't know how easy it's in your country to get a prescription.

I think it's easyer to get Ritalin on the black market.

[sands of time]

Adderal is probably the best one. I'm not going to tell you how to trick your doctor into perscribing it though. Awhile back I would have been inclined to, but now I think it's kinda unethical, and defeats the purpose of having a doctor. Hes not there to get you high, hes there to solve medical problems and keep you healthy, if you wanna get high, go to the street doctor.

[788.4]

Adderall is definately the most similar. It contains a mixture of amphetamine sulphate, amphetamine phosphate, dextroamphetamine sulphate, and dextroamphetamine phosphate.

Ritalin is methlyphenidate. Although it shares some of the effects of amphetamine sulphate, it's definately not as recreational as it.

It's a lot more difficult to obtain a prescription for that you would think. Doctors are a little suspicious of people who come to them complaining of ADHD symptoms who are over 18. The doctors figure the ADHD was problematic it would have been discovered a lot earlier, and that since it is not that problematic it dosn't need a strong drug like Adderall. They are more likely to try Concerta (time release Ritalin) or the lastest drug Strattera (which is the only drug FDA approved for Adult ADHD).

However, if you learn to fake the symptoms of ADHD well, and can convince the right doctor that you have it, you should be able to obtain a prescription.

[bcStoner420]

The best one would be Dexedrine, then Adderall next. SWIM got a script for dexedrine but only because he was diagnosed with ADD at the age of 5 or 6. There really is no way to trick a doctor to write you a script, these are powerful drugs they are pretty careful with. I would say ur stuck getting them some other way. But hell, you could try i guess.

[Stan Mar5h]

Dexedrine has been considered the most recreational drug since the early '60s: when mod rockers in London widely used it recreationally. Adderall is very close in my opinion, I usually use them in conjunction with the other. It contains a straight mix of dextroamphetamine sulphate. Pills with straight mixtures of amphetamine are no longer produced. So, it's really a toss-up between Adderall and Dexedrine, even though adderall is most similar in chemical structure, they both have about equal recreational potential. Enjoy.

[Stan Mar5h]

In Los Angeles there are countless corrupt doctors in my business. I am able to get large prescriptions occasionally by slipping 3 fifties under the doctor's hand, who I have heard could "lend" me a few pills on prescription through a friend I work with. He gives a nod and returns with 3 scripts for prescription Adderall, Dexedrine, and Desoxyn. I only use Desoxyn VERY occasionally however because of it's addictive and destructive nature, about three times as bad as Dex or addys. (Desoxyn is prescription methamphetamine.)

[bcStoner420]

Yea, basically the only way youll get desoxyn nowadays is through a corrupt doctor like that, I really dont even see any point in the drug. If normal amphetamines dont help you, methamphetamine probably wont either unless its some extreme case. I hear even dexedrine is getting hard to come by these days, SWIM has people offering to buy his script for good money quite often, he declines. I remember even 6 or 7 years ago this stuff was all over in my area.

[pharmapsyche]

In reguards to the first part of the question, Adderall is the prescription amphetamine most popular in this day and age. Adderall (a racemic mix of amphetamines plus dextroamphetamine sulphate) is more commonly prescribed than any of the other pharmaceutical amphetamines, which included Dexadrine (dextroamphetamine sulphate) and Desoxyn (methamphetamine hydrochloride). Methylphenidate is sometimes considered an amphetamine even though it's more amphetamine-like than true amphetamines in my opinion. If you blindfolded me and told me to pick one, and the dosages were both high enough to be considered by me as euphoric, I wouldn't be able to tell between the two. But there's still something different about methylphenidate, IMO... and the second part of your question, i'll tell you my experiences with being prescribed amphetamines for ADHD.

I was sixteen when I tried Adderall for the first time. It wasn't anything spectacular. I didn't even think about it for a while. I could do it once a month, four times a month, or not at all in a month and be okay with it. Around the time of my first few times of trying it I was struggling with school. I just felt lazy, unmotivated. I thought of how cool it would be to have Adderall every day so I could just want to go to school. I put two and two together and talked with my parents. After a few times of talking to them, we all agreed that some sort of medicine could possibly help. Well, it took me one trip to my pedatrician, and I swear to you he was asking me if I'd rather start on methylphenidate, adderall or concerta within 5 minutes of us talking to him. It didn't take anything at all. I shook my foot a lot when we first got there and he said he noticed and that I probably had mild ADHD. Since then (I'm 18 now) I have managed to be switched from 20mg Adderall XR to 40mg then to Concerta 64mg and back to Adderall XR 30mg and so on and so on, until we ended up on my current dose. 60mg Adderall XR a day. PLUS, 20mg methylphenidate in the afternoon every day, because my parents told the doctor I needed something to keep me awake after school, just because I liked to nap in the afternoon and mom didn't like that.

Point of the story is, I think it takes a mix of genuine problematic issue that you want to deal with (lack of motivation, hell, even weight loss), a good story (such as, all your life you have suffered from a lack of focus and motivation and it's gotten to the point where you can't manage anymore with such scattered thoughts) and maybe even a theatrical first-impression for your doctor of someone who needs amphetamines plus a compassionate or just plain cool doctor. Hope this helps!

[sushigirl]

Hi ,

thanks for the replies - very informative...
Excuse my ignorance being new here, but what is a SWIM ?

[sushigirl]

I just wanted to say as well, the reason I do take speed is because
I genuinely cannot concentrate otherwise and am always tired - I study
very hard and speed really keeps me focused - without it i just cant
think and am very distracted...to the point im falling asleep after
a few pages, even when ive had plenty of sleep.

My concern is going to a doctor and
him thinking im just looking to use them as a high: which is definately
not the case - when i go out speed is not the drugs of choice ever.

Maybe i do have ADHD , i woulnt be suprised at all, is there
a way i can confirm if i have this or not.. ?

[sands of time]

I just wanted to say as well, the reason I do take speed is because
I genuinely cannot concentrate otherwise and am always tired - I study
very hard and speed really keeps me focused - without it i just cant
think and am very distracted...to the point im falling asleep after
a few pages, even when ive had plenty of sleep.

My concern is going to a doctor and
him thinking im just looking to use them as a high: which is definately
not the case - when i go out speed is not the drugs of choice ever.

Maybe i do have ADHD , i woulnt be suprised at all, is there
a way i can confirm if i have this or not.. ?

Swim is "someone who isn't me". Learn to use swim so you don't incriminate yourself.

If you want to find out if you have ADD/ADHD, there are a number of online questionairs you can take. Look at the web sites run by the companies that make the meds. I wouldn't trust those things though, the questions usually list behaviors that everyone does once in awhile. One would think they're agenda is to have the world taking at least some form off ADD/ADHD med.

I find out odd that one can not be sure if they have ADD/ADHD, but if you suspect you may, the best thing to do is to talk to your doctor. When I was young the doc told me I had mild ADD. The convo ended there though. I was not interested in becoming dependent to any more pills, especially ones which loose they're fun after a week, would make me loose more weight and mess with my sleep cycle. Illegal drugs do a better job of all that anyways.

[sushigirl]

Also,

this has always puzzled me... I can understand being precribed
amphetamines if you have an attention problem, but why is
it also prescribed if you are also hyperactive - wouldnt a valium
be better for hyperactivity ??

[armatitumor]

Also,

this has always puzzled me... I can understand being precribed
amphetamines if you have an attention problem, but why is
it also prescribed if you are also hyperactive - wouldnt a valium
be better for hyperactivity ??

Amphetamines have a paradoxal effect on hyperactivity, although they are stimulants they act as depressants on the hyperactive user.

[sands of time]

I think they perscribe methylphenidate (ritalin, concerta, ect) for ADD and Adderal and the likes for ADHD. I know for sure that methylphenidate is for ADD, but many doctors will switch someone from one med to another to another if the patient has problems with them.

For more info about ADD, take a look at http://add.about.com/index.htm?once=true&

[788.4]

Also,

this has always puzzled me... I can understand being precribed
amphetamines if you have an attention problem, but why is
it also prescribed if you are also hyperactive - wouldnt a valium
be better for hyperactivity ??

Hyperactivity results from having depressed activity in certain regions of the brain (those related to concentration an focus). In an attempt to "wake up" these regions of the brain, other regions become hyperactive (imagination, physical acitivty). Stimulants wake up the part of the brain that is depressed ending the need to hyperactivity.

ADD is a a subtype of ADHD. It is ADHD innatentive type. The other type is ADHD hyperactive type. The cause of the symptoms is the same for both, the brain is trying to wake up regions related to concentration and focus.

[xpr´k]

heh, just been reading on that site. It has a nice article about ADD symptoms in adults. Seems i fit the profile except for one thing, i'm in no way hyperactive or maybe i just dont see myself like that...

[788.4]

I think the primary difference between Adult ADHD and ADHD is that adults are able to control really inappropraite behavior (screaming, running around, ect...) while children with ADHD are not.

To have Adult ADHD you had to have had ADHD as a child. Most people "outgrow" their ADHD by learning how to deal with it and the fact that work is usually not as concentration intensive as school. However, in some cases the ADHD remains.

To have ADHD, the symptoms must interfere greatly with school, work, family, or socialization. Having trouble doing homework or paying attention in class is normal. For most doctors the symptoms must exceed this and create significant problems to warrant medical treatment.

The drug companies want people to believe they have ADHD or Adult ADHD so they will ask their doctors for a prescription. When people believe they have ADHD or Adult ADHD and get set on the idea that they need medication to be able to concentrate, they are less able to concentrate without it. A group of people exposed to information on ADHD provided by the drug companies would have a lot more problems concentrating than a group of people unaware of what ADHD is.

[sidewalkpharmacist]

i am prescribed adderall xr for adhd but recently my psych said that there is a new study that shows prisoners and me take more to get aroused ex. a small camp fire might be enjoyable for a normal person but for me to get this same feeling i must throw a soda can full of gasoline at the fire:D and adderall internally gives me the stimulation that that my brain needs to maintain a normal baseline for stimulation. so adderall might(methods of action are not yet fully known) stimulate an adhd person internally to get him to the base line and not have extreme external behaviors it kinda brings the deficent parts of the brain up to the normal level

[sidewalkpharmacist]

i went from ritalin to adderall cuz ritalin gave me head aches and i said i had friends who took adderall and they said it worked great(and it does)

[fnord]

deoxys, prescription methamphetamines, havent tried, but must give you a zing zingy

[pharmapsyche]

Desoxyn comes in 5mg gradumet tablets, which means that the drug is contained inside a plastic cage and is slowly released over a period of time. I think that the tablets are genuinely crush-resistant. I would love to get my hands on some of those, just to compare the feeling to Adderall and methylphenidate as well as smoked methamphetamine. From what I hear, Desoxyn is very, very scarce and prescriptions are nerely impossible to aquire. Sad, sad world we live in

[HandyMan81]

Anybody ever heard of concerta? Its a simular to ritalin. they say it will be the replacement for ritalin. i use it myself (and believe me i dont have adhd) on prescription and a friend has ritalin. The ritalin does nothing to me while concerta is giving me almost a high as big as meth. TIP: I know many people are still trying to get prescription drug, but it gets difficult when you are older. I had to play my doctor, the a shrink and a psycholog who was specialized in adhd cases. Doctor and shrink werent so big problem they were easily convinced with the reason why i discovered it at a older aged, well here it comes my excuse: because i always supressed it by using amphetamine. Doctor believed right away shrink took 4 meetings and the psycholog saw right through me. ahh wel 2 against 1 so:) i have them. It is supposed to give a better high then ritalin and for me this is true. Only dont know if it has anything to do with my fake Adhd!:eek:

[bcStoner420]

Anybody ever heard of concerta? Its a simular to ritalin. they say it will be the replacement for ritalin. i use it myself (and believe me i dont have adhd) on prescription and a friend has ritalin. The ritalin does nothing to me while concerta is giving me almost a high as big as meth. TIP: I know many people are still trying to get prescription drug, but it gets difficult when you are older. I had to play my doctor, the a shrink and a psycholog who was specialized in adhd cases. Doctor and shrink werent so big problem they were easily convinced with the reason why i discovered it at a older aged, well here it comes my excuse: because i always supressed it by using amphetamine. Doctor believed right away shrink took 4 meetings and the psycholog saw right through me. ahh wel 2 against 1 so:) i have them. It is supposed to give a better high then ritalin and for me this is true. Only dont know if it has anything to do with my fake Adhd!:eek:

You should concider using SWIM instead of I and Me in order not to self incriminate.

[HandyMan81]

Swim gets this as a prescription drug from doctor, is it still selfincriminating then? Im not trying to be a smartass this is a serieus question. Can they do something about this?

[bcStoner420]

Swim gets this as a prescription drug from doctor, is it still selfincriminating then? Im not trying to be a smartass this is a serieus question. Can they do something about this?

They can when you openely admit it's fake adhd, I'm sure.

[788.4]

Anybody ever heard of concerta? Its a simular to ritalin. they say it will be the replacement for ritalin. i use it myself (and believe me i dont have adhd) on prescription and a friend has ritalin. The ritalin does nothing to me while concerta is giving me almost a high as big as meth. TIP: I know many people are still trying to get prescription drug, but it gets difficult when you are older. I had to play my doctor, the a shrink and a psycholog who was specialized in adhd cases. Doctor and shrink werent so big problem they were easily convinced with the reason why i discovered it at a older aged, well here it comes my excuse: because i always supressed it by using amphetamine. Doctor believed right away shrink took 4 meetings and the psycholog saw right through me. ahh wel 2 against 1 so:) i have them. It is supposed to give a better high then ritalin and for me this is true. Only dont know if it has anything to do with my fake Adhd!:eek:

Concerta is one of the extended release versions of Ritalin. They both contain the same active ingredient.

[mikey_J]

I dunno where your from man but up here in saint john ritalin is the easist thing to get you just have to tell your doctor that your not paying attetoin is school or at work and its affecting your profomance there arnt any test what so ever. ive got a bunch of basic ritalin and concerta 54's noproblem. they work pretty good in high doses to i gave my freind 3 54's and he was tweaked. peace:smoking:

[mikey_J]

fuck i was reedin the form backwards im sniffin ridlin/t3's right now:snort:

[sands of time]

fuck i was reedin the form backwards im sniffin ridlin/t3's right now:snort:

Way to incriminate yourself.

[Richard_smoker]

eh, Benzenerings!-- actually, since you're in the US, you have a decent chance of being MORE readily accessable to desoxyn than adderall or even dexedrine for the treatment of ADHD.

It all depends upon what state you live in and who your insurance provider is.

FOR EXAMPLE (and sorry, I don't know of any other state's rules...) :
But, if you live in Alabama, are on medicaid, and are diagnosed with ADHD or ADD or narcolepsy, there are only 3 drugs that medicaid will even OFFER to pay for! These are not only suggestions, but your physician MUST write you for one of the 3 drugs they will pay for! if you were previously on a non-stimulant treatment like strattera, guess what!?? TOO BAD. now you're on METHAMPHETAMINES!!! :snort: :snort: :snort: :crazy

here's the rank-order of drugs currently paid-out on alabama medicaid's accepted listing for diagnosis ADHD/Narcolepsy.

#1: DESOXYN!!!!! yep, generic METHAMPHETAMINE HCl, BY GOD!
#2: Dextroamphetamine GENERIC (i.e. dextrostat)
#3: methylphenidate, generic ritalin.

this is to say that "no mumbly-jumbly atamoxetine or any other NON-stimulating drug shall be attempted to pass off in this great state as a true stimulant, and also we will not pay for adderall or amphetamine salts of any kind. In place of both these others, desoxyn and it's twin brother methedrine shall be given out in its place to the keen peopleses of the great state of Alabama"

Just to clarify, when I say "on medicaid" this could be any number of state-supported healthcare assistance, anything from disability, to welfare, kicked back thru state-support for whatever reason

[Richard_smoker]

Oh yeah, here's a little story about nothing in particular. it's sort of a play about how someone called "YOU" convinced another character called "NEW DOC" to give him script for DESOXYN. Narrator plays devil/angel.

Anyways, here's how the play goes more or less...

NARRATOR: In the states, Desoxyn or "methedrine" may be easier to come by than you think. If you need help coming up with Reasons why 'grit-tallin' didn't work, or Why Dextro-amp's make you sick, then I'm sure you can think of several reasons for both--migraines, nausea, feeling of 'impending doom'; insomnia, just to name a few of the possibilities etc.

YOU (speaking to NEW DOC): Listen, dr. I was diagnosed with adhd as a kid and I remember trying all kinds of different medications... Ritalin, dexedrine, cylert

NARRATOR: alas, the CYLERT trick! this is a shitty drug, reminds every doc (not only NEW DOC) of one of their WORST experiences in medical school, residency, for every single time they almost killed a patient--you'll ring their "OWCH!-ALMOST-LOST-ANOTHER-ONE-TO-LAWSUIT-DOT-COM!!!" bell fast!! This drug was horrible for patients, killed their livers, just plain BAD, but all doctors know about this one. if you say you were tried on it--they WILL BELIEVE YOU! and best thing is, they'll feel terrible!! yep. this means regret/remorse/sorrow because you were an experiment! but just remember, all the drugs made you sick for various reasons. turns out, the only drug they would let you take back then was... ((((DRUM-ROLL!!!:snort: :snort: :snort: :smoking: ))))... :crazy desoxin:crazy .... but it's been several years since you were even treated for adhd, but now that you've started a new job, have new stressors at home, kids, etc.--now you're starting to realize that you cannot control your short attention span any longer... You discussed it with your mother last week, but she's pretty sure that the only drug that ever 'worked' with you was taken off the shelves years ago. so, goes something like this...

NEW DOCTOR: "did you happen to ask her what that medication was?"

YOU: "oh yes" (pulling folded-up paper out of your wallet, reading) "DES-OXYGEN... or DESIE-OXY-IN" (with uncertain smile)

NEW DOCTOR: "YES. I know that one. It *IS* still available. now how much were you taking?"

:smoker: ---that's about the gist of the play, anyways---if anyone wants to read more of it, just ask for it. I've pages and freakin' pages of verse collecting dust from that manuscript.

[bandolier]

Hey Sush, if you have trouble concentrating then you have add, it doesn't matter if your all grows up. Attention defecit is attention deficit. I didn't find out until I was 30 that I had it. Went in got tested, it was pretty simple. There are standardized tests they use that are the same for kids as they are for adults. And probably, if you're like me, you had it all along, including when you were a kid. With me, my doctors had me on prozac and a bunch of other bs drugs because I was depressed that I couldn't concentrate and get anything done! I'm still in college!! I had one doctor tell me I was bipolar, another one told me it was my diet, another one said I was depressed. All of it stemmed from not being diagnosed correctly. If you think you're ADD, then you probably are. If you're falling asleep, hey that's a symtom too! Not to mention the same drugs are prescribed to treat everything from Narcelepsy, chronic fatigue, add, adhd, whatever. If you have any specific questions shoot me an email, I'm glad to help if I can. Oh also I think you'll be surprised at how your life will turn around, maybe in areas you didn't realize were even affected, cuz it's not not schoolwork that's affected, it's your entire life. Sorry to rant but it's something I feel is way too overlooked despite what Tom Cruz would have everyone believe! Good luck.(<

[bandolier]

Also, important, don't tell the doctor if you happen to be psychotic, suicidal, or any other malady that could be worsened by stimulants!

[bandolier]

Also strattera sucks bigtime! Don't even try it.

[Beeker]

I don't see SWIM needing help with attention problems. I see SWIM looking for a psuedo-legal speed tweaking.

Not that I care.. well, beyond the people I've known who used Amps for a decade and for some strange reason can't function at all anymore.
Ever see a 40 year old man living in the basement waiting for that Dex script? Ever see your 28 year old best friend from High School OD on meth he made? Ever been in a club and see a cute 24 year old chick die from passe amp/alcohol/MDMA use.. I have. and you can see it in the eyes, the "WTF? Nooo!! I'm me!!"

wow, sorry for the downer.. Time to stop posting and go to bed...

[dr ACE]

different stokes 4 different folks!

[hh339]

Swim gets this as a prescription drug from doctor, is it still selfincriminating then? Im not trying to be a smartass this is a serieus question. Can they do something about this?

Well, SWIY openly admitted that he was prescribed a stimulant for "fake-ADHD". That would be selfincrimniation. Anyway, SWIM must really say that concerta works extremely for him, but it does not get him high in a true sense. Amphetamine gives SWIM a good high but he still prefers concerta. SWIM feels high in a sense on concerta, because he can concentrate and just simply enjoy an ordinary day without getting mad at stuff just for distracting and disturbing him. For the non-ADHD person, I do not think it would be very recreational. Amphetamine AKA Adderall would probably be the way to go.

[snowsie1221]

Reading through this thread.... Swim takes adderall... Xr and IR...Swim prefers Adderall..... oh and to add... See how SWIM says SWIM.... really trying not to be a bitch but lets keep this going by not screwing SWIY... so Use swim or swiy or some really creative name... like my little pony... or a man named sue