Worry Of Addiction

[cavalera]

The only reason i havent tried heroin and also crack is the worry of addiction, all your life you get drummed fake knowledge of how all drugs are bad and in this instance it stook, i would like to try everything once, i would like to speak from experience and hopefully spread my knowledge but looking at people with a hook on drugs (not just heroin or crack i mearly used them as an example) it makes me turn away.


is it a weak personwhich becomes addicted? is there any choice in the matter?


i can understand if something is so good you will want to do it again therefore with my understanding thats usually the reason people get hooked (other than a release and escape), i dont mean to sound really narrow minded, i dont mean to sound intrusive and i dont mean to sound as though i know what im talking about, im just very curious...


this also forwards one other question...


is the risk of dependancy worth it?


i know you can become dependant on everything, simple things like coffee or chocolate, but the chance of dependancy on heroin seems a lot more likely to me, maybe im wrong.


id be more than greatful for the replies.

[circsee1]

First of all, I am just one person and more than ever with the topic you addressed, everyone is very different. Although somewhat biased of course I consider myself a fairly determined and goal-oriented person. I also have been addicted to heroin. My initial perspective on opiates (during the first two and half years) was that I would not become addicted and that I had complete control over the situation. This was incorrect. Later, after using for about five years (not extremely long relative to some junkies but still a substantial amount of time), my life was crumbling and almost everything I had held in high regard previous to my addiction was neglected and forgotton about (real friends, family, school, myself.) However, I was able to eventually quit. So, to answer your question I would say that in my opinion I feel that very strong and determined people will not be able to realize until after they are addicted that there is a problem. Being able to recognize the problem comes only with experience of a significant chance from an earlier state of being (pre-addiction). The people then that are able to return themselves to their intial state of being are those that are determined and strong-willed. Most people only learn from experience in my opinion. With that said (this probably seems contradictory), I would strongly discourage anyone from taking opiates. I feel that battling the addiction was one of the hardest things I have gone through and therefore any prior opinions of myself and my ability to perservere were not relevant. I dont know if that makes any sense. In other words I dont think you know how you will react until you are actually forced to react and the road to that decision, althought initially pleasant, would lead to disaster if you were not one of the people who were able to quit. Sorry that was so long. Also, about 1 in 4 junkies are able to survive and quit. The other 3 people (statistically so take with a grain of salt) either die or meet another undesirable fate. And of the people that do make it Im sure that those who are able to lead constructive and happy lives similiar to what they experienced before taking opiates is far less. So, to perorate the issue, be careful with opiates.

[Be-Bop]

I'd like totalk about the nature of ADDICTIONat more length another time..but, two things spring to mind..


The first is a statistic, & as circsee 1 says, stat.s should be taken with a grain of salt..but i've heard a few times that about 2% of ALL people try Heroin, & about 25% of those people go on to have a 'problem', anytime i have seen someone that 'really enjoys' their first taste, & wants to do it again- gets a gleam in their eye when Heroin is mentioned..more often than not, they end up addicted.....I don't think it has anything to do with being 'strong'...addiction has a way of SNEAKING UP on you, i mean, you would think that just avoiding the length of time that is required in order toget the most 'minor'of addictions would be easy (2-4 weeks, at least)...but, as i said, suddenly you can find that things have got out of your control...


The second thing i would like to say is, & i think that this is a lot more IMPORTANT than the first point...i REALLY believe that once you have had an addiction to Heroin, from that point onwards, your BRAIN CHEMISTRY is changed FOREVER!!!!! Even if you manage to come out the other side ( the 25% thing that circsee 1 quotes sounds like NA propaganda to me?), things will not be the same....not for your Endorphin system, not for you..I'm not even saying that you will be a 'worse' person, maybe you will have gained profound 'insight' into yourself?..But you WILL have been through some kind of 'personal apocalypse'...


More than anything...whether you come out 'better', or 'worse', or DEAD, or in jail, or with Hepatitis, or HIV, or Endocardistis, or still with the love of your Family & friends...it IS going to eat up MANY years of your Life, & you have got to decide if you can afford that? Do you want to 'take the chance'? Have you got DREAMS that you could spend that time pursueing...coz, it is the loss of TIME that i MOST resent about my own addiction.......


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[cook_justakid]

if swiy fears addiction, then the last thing that swiy should do is crack, it might as well be called addiction, but don't worry cause once swiy is on it, swiy won't give a ***k about anything but crack. swim reckons that smack is one to avoid too, but of course!

is swiys aim in life really to mess up swiys life in vain attempt to "share knowledge & experience" people?

all swiy would be doing is inducing curiosity into others or perhaps associating with younger people who actually want to listen and they will probably fu** up their lives

and curiosity seems to become addiction very quickly these days, it comes before the addict realises/admits they have a habit anyway

drugs may seem interesting, but in reality, they ruin the lives of children, and, of course, the addict's "life" too.
if swiy wants a buzz, swim suggests that swiy tries to help put a smile on a child that's been born to a crack head/ junkie/ or whatever, there's plenty of them suffering.

Swim doesn't believe that any addict is weak-minded, just troubled, and anybody can get hooked... swiys only decision would be to either do the drug or to choose not to, other than that the drug's gonna be in control of swiys mind


think about it as much as swiy wants, but never do it unless swiy desires a rocky, risky road into deep & traumatising long-term addiction/s

there is a very nasty underground movement to the drugs scene, it would surely disgust anybody who is drug-naive

[outriderx]

and non of us can actually tell if we / swiy is "strong" or "weak", thats just not in our power to determine that. SWIY might think whatever he wants, he has no clue what he /his subconcious is actually like.. in most cases.
and, adding to the REALLY good posts above, to which i totally agree, is that its really not about weak or not or anything.. it depends on too many values, its just not in SWIYs hand to determine the outcome.
it is certainly possible, in theory quite easy, to do it once and not again, but the reality is a complete difference. just considering the fact, if SWIY is able to obtain that stuff he also has some connections.. one thing soon leads to another .. SWIM means it doesnt fall from the sky..

there is this strange fact that in vietnam a ton of guys got addicted (us military) and a surprising high # of GIs just stopped when they came back.

however, if one worries he should not try it. try codeine instead of heroin, it will give SWIY quite a good image of what a heroin high feels like (except for the rush of IV ..) and is not nearly as dangerous (connection/people wise, also health wise and addiction wise). maybe SWIY could just wait till at one point in his life (like most people) he will go to a hospital because of something and get it from a doctor as needed.
the crack thing.. SWIM has no experience with it but wih opiates and its just nothing he wants to experience again, since he can from trying coke imagine how much worse a crack addiction could be on your social life than a opiate addiction (in many, if not most, except for the "street addicts", cases the people are able to keep a normal social life, although always struggling, but its possible)